Internet Marketing Degrees?

greenovni

15 years ago

I am thinking about a 'degree' in IM. $54,000 is the price tag

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Daniel Adams

15 years ago

Marketing is marketing, whether it's on the internet or written on parchment.

That said, if I were hiring somebody and they had a degree in IM on their resume, I probably wouldn't take any strong positive or negative impression about it. I would ask what they've done with that education and expect to hear some good stories about what they've sold online.

Most places giving degrees in IM are online universities, which have real credentials but many people are not in agreement whether the education is real or just bs. The experience is certainly not the same.

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drooblez

15 years ago

Yes, I did notice that most of these places that are offering Internet Marketing degrees are online. (Like the University of San Francisco offers IM degree online)

Daniel you had a good point.

I'm thinking if I just keep educating myself and learning more, then by the time I get out of the highschool and go "fulltime" I could be making well over $10,000 per month. It's just putting in that extra bit of work that I haven't.

I'm mainly just scared... like what if one day the money just stops? Something big changes and I have no degree or anything to fall back on, ya know?

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Daniel Adams

15 years ago

Originally Posted by drooblez

Yes, I did notice that most of these places that are offering Internet Marketing degrees are online. (Like the University of San Francisco offers IM degree online)

Daniel you had a good point.

I'm thinking if I just keep educating myself and learning more, then by the time I get out of the highschool and go "fulltime" I could be making well over $10,000 per month. It's just putting in that extra bit of work that I haven't.

I'm mainly just scared... like what if one day the money just stops? Something big changes and I have no degree or anything to fall back on, ya know?

I hope that you still take the opportunity to go to a regular college, if possible. Whatever you actually learn isn't all that great (especially compared to being an entrepreneur), but the benefits still outweigh the costs.

While you're there you can expand your network of useful people in your life (like other entrepreneurs and financiers). If your biz fails, the job you'll find in the meantime will be better. And while you're still an undergrad there are plenty of skirts to chase--especially if you've got money.

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Todd Sampson 15 years ago

If you are making $5,000 a month, then you already have a degree in IM.

Originally Posted by drooblez

I'm mainly just scared... like what if one day the money just stops? Something big changes and I have no degree or anything to fall back on, ya know?

I don't forsee this happening, you're a smart Kid and you are obviously
reading the WF, so you should be able to keep up to date and adapt your
business as things change.
But in case it does happen, what is a degree in IM going to do for you?
Nothing.

I suggest you go to a regular college and study something you are
interested in whether it be history, computer programming, or whatever
you want. I would do it as a right of passage if nothing else. Just remember not to party too hard that you let your business slip and
you end up failing out because you miss too much class from partying all the time.
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- -Oz 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Todd Sampson
  
  If you are making $5,000 a month, then you already have a degree in IM.
  
  Seriously.
  
  End of thread.
  
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ADAMw3

15 years ago

I promise you that you will learn less in college than what you have already learned by yourself through IM.

100% guaranteed.

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drooblez

15 years ago

Adam, is there a money-back guarantee with that?

Haha, just kidding. Thanks for your input. It's appreciated!

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Dan Grossman

15 years ago

If you're going to go to college, might as well go to college, and not half arse it on a degree any employer would find laughably fake sounding.

Choose a more traditional program (business, IS/IST, CS, marketing, etc) and choose a college that lets you take courses outside of your degree program. Most do these days, but some don't so it's something to check before choosing where to apply.

Then while you're getting that business degree, take all the marketing/internet marketing classes you'd like as electives. There's plenty of room for electives like that in your schedule, that's why there are minors -- you have enough free choice in what you take aside from your core classes for your degree to almost finish a degree in a second field, so you get a minor in it.

20 years from now you'll have a family and still need an income, but whatever IM is then won't be what it is now. You'll have a degree in a more traditional field to help you stay employable. Always good to have a backup plan.

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falcon_warrior

15 years ago

Hey

In my opinion, if you are going to use your degree for something (say applying for a job or convincing companies to let you SEO their site), I think proof of income (i.e. show that you earn 5k a month) is seriously a lot stronger than a degree. Even people with business degrees can't do business, showing that you can do internet marketing is the better option. Besides, I do agree that earning 5k a month means you already have a 'degree'.

Nicholas C.

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CliveG

15 years ago

Getting a good degree from a reputable institution is a great idea. However, I would (I did) go for a degree in a subject that interested me. You should then opt for any management and marketing options that are available to you.

If I was looking for instruction in IM, I would want the person teaching me to be at least 10 times better than me. But if they were earning $600k pa in IM why would they teach?

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Goatboy

15 years ago

I tell the kids: Study something you enjoy, you can always teach, or sell real estate or insurance.

I have taken classes online and off. If the college is a reputable one, the online classes will be as hard or harder than those in the classroom. Students in a classroom have advantages that online students don't have, the instructor's interaction being a big one. Online students have to work harder to overcome that disadvantage and therefore the classes are often much harder in the long run. Yes, there are those who claim that online students can cheat at tests, but so can students sitting in a classroom. There are others that claim that online students have it easy because of open book testing, but that only helps if the answers are actually in the book and you have time to look them up. I've had in classroom tests that were open book to, the instructor just made sure you didn't have time to look anything up.

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BrandonLee

15 years ago

The best thing you can do is find a mentor, a college degree is going to teach you a lot of theory about what worked 3 and 4 years ago. You want to stay on the cutting edge.

Get a mentor that's really doing it, but it won't be cheap.

I bought PLF from Jeff Walker for $2000. Barely got me on his radar. Then I spent $25,000 plus $1000 a month so that I can talk him one on one and have his personal help with my launches via his mastermind group.(I manage launches for other people). Best investment I've ever made.

Brandon

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TheMole

15 years ago

Originally Posted by drooblez

So my question to you is, would getting an internet marketing degree be worth it? Have any other Warriors here received a degree in internet marketing, and if so, was it worth it?

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Hi Drooblez

It all depends on what you hope to achieve with an IM degree and to answer the second part of your question: No. Warriors don't have IM degrees. Warriors are entrepreneurs who practice the "work from home" business model. Most use IM to escape working for a boss and a few become so proficient in certain aspects of the dicipline that they succeed beyond their wildest dreams. IM as defined by the average warrior is information product creation and affiliate marketing. This is but a fraction of IM as practiced by corporate companies, which brings me to the answer to the first part of your question.

If you wish to get a prime job in corporate America, an IM degree will be a great asset. If you want to be self employed, learn as you dig in the coal face

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Rezbi

15 years ago

Originally Posted by drooblez

Hello,

I think we can all agree that internet marketing is obviously something that many people try, but only a certain amount of people actually "make it".

Well, I am still in high school and still a young guy and was looking at some future career choices. For over a year now, I have been making over $5,000 per month through article marketing + PPC, and internet marketing is something I would like to continue doing.

So my question to you is, would getting an internet marketing degree be worth it? Have any other Warriors here received a degree in internet marketing, and if so, was it worth it?

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If you're really after a qualification I would highly recommend this:
EADIM - The European Academy of Direct and Interactive Marketing

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Adrian Cooper

15 years ago

Originally Posted by drooblez

Hello,

I think we can all agree that internet marketing is obviously something that many people try, but only a certain amount of people actually "make it".

Well, I am still in high school and still a young guy and was looking at some future career choices. For over a year now, I have been making over $5,000 per month through article marketing + PPC, and internet marketing is something I would like to continue doing.

So my question to you is, would getting an internet marketing degree be worth it? Have any other Warriors here received a degree in internet marketing, and if so, was it worth it?

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Why do you need a worthless piece of paper?

Degrees are from the old world of "education" and "work" - control - IM is the brave new world where you qualify yourself to achieve anything you desire.

If you are making $5000 per month you could make $50,000 per month - more than anyone with a degree.

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Dan Grossman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Adrian Cooper

If you are making $5000 per month you could make $50,000 per month - more than anyone with a degree.

Zappos just sold itself to Amazon for almost a billion bucks today.

Bet the founder and CEO made a hundred million or more.

He has a BA in Computer Science from Harvard.

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thezone

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Grossman

Zappos just sold itself to Amazon for almost a billion bucks today.

Bet the founder and CEO made a hundred million or more.

He has a BA in Computer Science from Harvard.

Well, he may have gotten a 100M or more, but he never made 50K a month did he......BURNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!......I don't have any skooling...but I know that I would rather get 50K per month over 5 years, then 100 Million in one lump sum.

Gates graduated Harvard
Warren Buffett MS in economics at Columbia U.
Carlos Slim Helu -engineering at the UNAM

The worlds three richest people, but none of them drive a Misteroti!

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thezone

15 years ago

Originally Posted by StrawPower

WRONG!

If you want to be rich, then the lump sum of $100M is better than a constant $50,000 a month. Why?

Because you can invest part of that $100M and make another 100M in less than 5 years. If you are a good investor, this could translate to $1 Million dollars a month!

---Just a thought---:rolleyes:

ohhh my gawd, turn 100M to 200m in 5 years, that's like an increase of 6000% a week ...that there is some crazy numbers ....did you be sign any pacts....with any unsavory red characters that live in fire and brimstone (did I mention I drive a yugo and make 13 digits a month)

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CDarklock 15 years ago

Originally Posted by thezone

Gates graduated Harvard

Gates never graduated.
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- Dave777 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  Gates never graduated.
  
  Along with a few other guys well worth having a chat with...
  Billionaire College Dropouts
  
  Although, it all depends on your long term goals...
  Google doesn't just want degrees, they want degrees from top schools. ... Ten years ago or more, you could easily get away without having a degree. ...
  Hacker News | More than 20% of self-made billionaires never completed college
  
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- thezone 15 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by CDarklock
  
  Gates never graduated.
  
  He received his degree from Harvard in 2007. While it may be a degree honoris causas, it is still a degree, and unless we are going to be pretentious here (and decide that Merriam Webster is wrong and redefine graduate), then he graduated.
  
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Dan Grossman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by thezone

Well, he may have gotten a 100M or more, but he never made 50K a month did he......BURNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!......I don't have any skooling...but I know that I would rather get 50K per month over 5 years, then 100 Million in one lump sum.

Why would you ever prefer $3 million to $100 million? If you're not going to get any "skooling", at least pull out a calculator.

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thezone 15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Grossman

Why would you ever prefer $3 million to $100 million? If you're not going to get any "skooling", at least pull out a calculator.

Oh my gawd...like what planet are you on?? No, no seriously. I was doing my calculation relative to Pluto... so my 5 plutonian years totaled 744M. I still rulez! (did I mention I make 13 digits a month)?
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TyBrown

15 years ago

To me the idea of a college degree is to be able to go out and get a job. If you have already proved that you know how to make money then you are receiving the education that you need.

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Rezbi

15 years ago

What doesn't make sense to me is how so many get on the net for 5 minutes and start dismissing jobs immediately.

I'll be the majority who are doing this don't earn enough online to last another 5 minutes.

It's not cool to dismiss others to look cool... or to give the impression of success.

The majority of the world of workers work for someone else... and have no desire to start their own business.

Each to their own.

I'll bet the really rich guys have a little more respect for the wishes of others.

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webatomic

15 years ago

What does it take to teach an online class in IM?

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Gereem

15 years ago

so if I want to learn internet marketing, it's better to learn on my own or go learn basic web design, SEO, etc and get internet marketing gurus as mentor who teach how to make money rather than go to a marketing school that teaches outdated theory?

I've finished first year of university and I'm a pretty smart student, getting above average grades in the commerce faculty of a somewhat prestigious university, but I think a lot of what I learned is theory and practically useless for actually making money or for being self-employed. I would much rather prefer making $5000 a month and not have a degree.

I'm seriously considering going to web design school so I can at least work as a web designer while learning and doing internet marketing on the side until it takes off. What do you guys think?

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Dan Grossman

15 years ago

Is that what will really make you happy in life? Do you have a passion for art and design? Web design is a creative field, not a mechanical trade where you can just follow a manual to do the job.

What about the IM stuff? In 10 years, will you be happy that you didn't finish college and didn't get a degree, when IM as you know it doesn't exist anymore and you're starting to tire of having to "learn on the job" every day to keep up with the latest tricks to making money online?

Do you want money now, or do you want to figure out what field you're passionate about and find some stability in it for the long term?

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Gereem 15 years ago

I do believe university education is good, especially for some of the more professional fields like doctor, accountant, law, etc. but my passion indeed is marketing and I just don't see how universities are doing a better job at teaching it compared to some of the top internet marketing gurus that warrior forum users learn from. And most universities (including mine) don't have internet marketing courses.

And I think being ready to learn constantly is a given for most career fields nowadays, although internet marketing slightly on the extremer end, but if I take internet marketing as my focus, I think I"ll be able to come out on top as in the better end.

I'm not too bad in the artistic side, just haven't done too much in computer arts so far, been practicing photoshop and dreamweaver for a few months now with my first website up two months ago, tho non business related. I was more worried about the database and coldfusion type of things i'd have to learn.
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Mohammad Afaq

15 years ago

Well I am looking forward for a Doctorate Degree.

It depends on what you do. If you don't have any other major then go for it.

By the way you are doing great on the internet. I bet no one in your school is making that money from their jobs.

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stewjames

15 years ago

well a degree may help you increase your credibility, but still nothing beats experience. i guess its the same thing with work to make things work.

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Christopher Hooper

15 years ago

I have a degree. My major was Marketing with a minor in Computer Science. I graduated college in 2000. Since that time I have done nothing but internet marketing, live seminars ect.. I own my own company. The degree helps to make you a well rounded individual. I have learned more since I have graduated than I would have ever learned in college because things change all the time. I have developed my own products and ideas based on my own experience with IM. Now you do not have to have a degree to be successful at IM. IM has made me a millionaire. I have friends that also do IM and they don't have degrees but they are millionaires as well. When I do live seminars people do not ask me what kind of degree I have. They ask me how can I make lots of money on the internet. I am proud of my degree but it is not required for IM. Just strive to succeed at whatever you do. Things will work out for you.

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Kappa

15 years ago

Honestly, I don't think so. Do go to college, but major in a subject that interests you. A good solid business degree would probably broaden your horizens a bit, and you can work with professors in your upper level years on your area of research interest, which would be internet marketing. Your professors will probably want to know all of your secrets :p

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wisecrone333

15 years ago

My (Now grown up) kids will tell you that I spent years harking on about their education and how education would give them options in life - as I understand the college system it is not only about getting the qualification but making contacts that will be able to help you further in your adult life

That said - I have found that everything I have ever learned of any value has come directly from the experience - now I have to ask (as you have been already) how do you make $5K per month, because I am more than old enough to be your mother and I am no where close to that amount

Best of luck
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Dan Grossman

15 years ago

Originally Posted by alexa_s

In most Western countries, there's actually a very close correlation between people's education-level and their long-term incomes. It does seem that the advent of internet marketing, over the last 10 - 15 years, may be one of the things that can change that, but my own guess is that university graduate IM-ers are going to do better overall over the next decade or two than their non-university-educated counterparts. Clearly, there'll be many exceptions, but that will still be collective trend, I think, for several reasons.

That was true until around 2006. Now the more educated you are, the more you're prepared for a desk job that can be outsourced to someone with the same education in another country or automated by a computer. A two year degree in a non-information job offers more income stability than a 4 year degree, which offers more than a Ph.D.

Post-graduation incomes have started to reflect that in recent years as well. You'll be paid much more in many health related jobs (you can't draw someone's blood or run an MRI on them from overseas), manufacturing, etc. than in IT, marketing and other service industries.

I haven't asked anyone in the company in at least two years; does Google still offer six figure starting salaries to MS and Ph.D. holding employees? I would be surprised if they did.

If you look at the job losses over the past year, and ignore the auto industry as a special case, most of the jobs that were shed that employers say they don't expect to rehire when things recover... a lot of them are desk jobs that could be consolidated or outsourced. The kind of jobs where you're hired based on a degree instead of hard skills.

I value education, I have degrees. But their role is going to change. Staying in school for more years isn't going to be automatic extra income or job security. Not in the global world we live in now. And if the US wants the unemployment rate to drop to anywhere near it used to be, people are going to have to retrain into different fields. Those old jobs aren't coming back. Job growth has to be in manufacturing, health, and other fields that produce more than just information and services.

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Gereem

15 years ago

Originally Posted by Dan Grossman

That was true until around 2006. Now the more educated you are, the more you're prepared for a desk job that can be outsourced to someone with the same education in another country or automated by a computer. A two year degree in a non-information job offers more income stability than a 4 year degree, which offers more than a Ph.D.

Post-graduation incomes have started to reflect that in recent years as well. You'll be paid much more in many health related jobs (you can't draw someone's blood or run an MRI on them from overseas), manufacturing, etc. than in IT, marketing and other service industries.

I haven't asked anyone in the company in at least two years; does Google still offer six figure starting salaries to MS and Ph.D. holding employees? I would be surprised if they did.

If you look at the job losses over the past year, and ignore the auto industry as a special case, most of the jobs that were shed that employers say they don't expect to rehire when things recover... a lot of them are desk jobs that could be consolidated or outsourced. The kind of jobs where you're hired based on a degree instead of hard skills.

I value education, I have degrees. But their role is going to change. Staying in school for more years isn't going to be automatic extra income or job security. Not in the global world we live in now. And if the US wants the unemployment rate to drop to anywhere near it used to be, people are going to have to retrain into different fields. Those old jobs aren't coming back. Job growth has to be in manufacturing, health, and other fields that produce more than just information and services.

I agree about the changing roles of universities. I think the direct correlation of making money and having an advanced university degree does appear in fields such as healthchare, law, accounting, researcher, etc, but for being an entrepreneur, or doing internet marketing, the hard skills are what counts more than a degree. And plus, I've yet to see universities seriously teaching internet marketing so I'd rather spend my time learning web designing, try and get hired by a local internet marketing company, or do internet marketing on my own on the side while working as a web designer, and that will get me way faster to my goals of succeeding as a web designer than going through another 3 years of university learning something designed for the corporate world hire (although not necessarily for the skill)

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DennisM

15 years ago

Hi,

Full Sail University offers a fully accredited online Masters degree in Internet Marketing.

Internet Marketing Master's Degree Online: Full Sail

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Dan Grossman 15 years ago

Originally Posted by DennisM

Internet Marketing Master's Degree Online: Full Sail

They're only accredited by a tiny board that accredits vocational schools, and only earned that "distinction" in 2008. The degree would be worthless. If you're going to pay a university big bucks for the piece of paper, then don't go with a no name that isn't even recognized as a real business school. Real colleges of business are accredited by AACSB.
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MavisAA

15 years ago

An IM degree will be worth it only if it's from real IM marketers who are in the IM business. The academics part will train you and help you develop discipline if you haven't developed that already.

Otherwise you are better of doing a relevant marketing degree and continuing with your online education.

I guess it all boils down to your "why?" - Depending on what that is an IM degree or any degree for that matter may or may not benefit you.

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