Some questions from a want-to-believe IM

by lhhe
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Hello,

I've been using the web for many years now, but have recently come to the point in my life where the 9-5 grind is getting me down. I'm self-taught in website design (just the basics but enough to get by and tinket without needing a point and click package) and for the last few months I've been looking around these forums, which started out from a discussion with a friend about "how people make money online".

I have a few observations/questions which you may or may not like to comment on.

Basically, it's to do with the methods cited. At its heart, I can distill the wonderful information people have posted here into logical steps. E.g. Adsense. Find niche market ("post-baby slimming") from a bigger market ("wieght loss"), use google tools to find long tail keywords, create a free blog with a couple articles such as How To, and put adsense on the page. As traffic comes, tweak headers, colours, links, positioning to increase STR. Or affiliate products like clickbank or amazon, do basically the same but provide links to the affiliated product. Other suggestions than relying on keyword terms to bring traffic are article submission, X per day helpful comments on a community forum covering topic. Or build a site from scratch, get articles, members and self-generated content, whatever. Etc.

Questions:

1) Is there much of a difference between using free websites such as Blogger... than your own domain + static page or blog?

2) Audience. I don't remember the last time I EVER clicked on an ad banner. Or bought something through an affiliate link - in fact it's probably never. I find it hard to believe that so many millions of website users out there are so naive as to click a website like slimming-down-post-baby-weight.com or a blogspot URL when, to me, they are SO obviously geared towards selling something. I think average internet users are getting smarter. So the cynic in me wonders how these awful "sales letter" type websites actually make people part with their cash... or what look like spam/advert sites make people actually buy something... or click on a link. No one that I know would ever do this. Yet there are loads of you on here, and all over the web, who say "yes, the average internet user really is that naive".

3) There seems to be some major backrubbing going on. I've been reading a LOT of threads on here (I only signed up today though) and how can a newbie like me tell when a recommendation for a product or service is a genuine one, rather than I'll scratch your back recs?

Finally - I really want to give this a go. But I'm worried in case it's just one big con! So.. my last question:

4) Did you have the same doubts as me at first? What about your friends and relatives when you tell them what you "do"? What point did your opinion turn into "hey this is working!".

I hope to continue to learn (I've signed up for the Newbie University, which looks good) and I will update in 6 months, if only for my own record of "6 months experience as an iM newbie" to help future people.
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  • Profile picture of the author ExRat
    Hi Ihhe (or is it Lhhe?)

    1) Yes. You don't own or control the site - that's the main difference. There are rules you must follow or the blog will be deleted. Therefore, you use free/throwaway blogs for one purpose, and your own domains for another.

    2)
    I don't remember the last time I EVER clicked on an ad banner. Or bought something through an affiliate link - in fact it's probably never. I find it hard to believe that so many millions of website users out there are so naive as to click a website like slimming-down-post-baby-weight.com or a blogspot URL when, to me, they are SO obviously geared towards selling something. I think average internet users are getting smarter.
    You need to try and understand the difference between what you do and experience, and what your target market does and experiences.

    For example, try and sell to us in here, and we will respond differently to someone who is just starting out. We (in here) are a good 'extreme' to gauge things from - a complete newb is the opposite extreme and good for the same.

    As your experience mounts, don't confuse that with the 'general internet population.' In here we talk about marketing, tricks, scams and all sorts of other stuff. It's easy to not notice what effect this has on you - you become cynical, wise, a little paranoid - all good things.

    If you are doing things right and educating yourself, and you have come from a starting point similar to the majority (not really understanding marketers and marketing) then you should find that your view of the world and all of the interactions in it, changes radically over time.

    This can be a little disturbing/depressing at first, because you see so many things in a different, sometimes less positive light. But again, to complete the learning process, you must not forget that people who aren't exposing their brains continually to, and learning about and understanding basic marketing 'rules' such as -

    a) buyers/consumers think that their decisions are logical and consciously made, but in fact they are almost entirely emotional

    b) most of the money-exchanging world revolves around spin, propaganda, PR and BS

    c) understanding as much about psychology and persuasion as possible shortens the path to success, and self-mastery

    ...will not have the same perception as yourself, when it comes to websites, banners and links.

    3) Again, you have learnt 'how the world goes around'. The only thing that matters is that you use this knowledge to your advantage, in whichever way suits.

    It's safe to assume that most recommendations are biased, solicited, or compensated. To find the ones that aren't, you ideally need to look for them from people who you have observed for a while. But if you accelerate your learning as a priority, the need to rely on others' opinions is lessened dramatically.

    Any business person worth their salt, regardless of whether they consult with others as a habit on a daily basis, is in the ideal position when they are capable of making snap decisions about any aspect of their business, if required to do so. To get to this point, one must set out on a path with this as one of their goals and pursue this goal relentlessly. Asking others along the way or looking for guidance is possibly an assistance, but not a requirement.

    4)
    Did you have the same doubts as me at first?
    - yes. And many more too. I often still get them, but trample over them unforgivingly as quickly as I can. I use my friends to help with this, and vice versa. Anyone who says they don't have doubts is either superhuman, very experienced in self-mastery, or lying.

    What about your friends and relatives when you tell them what you "do"?
    If they didn't 'get it' and encourage me - I sacked them as friends - mercilessly. Seriously, it's one of the best things you can do - give them a chance, then filter your friends, find real friends/useful relatives instead and learn to control your environment in as many ways as you can find that are conducive to a successful mindset.
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    • Profile picture of the author liza31n
      Some think it's easy to work at IM but the truth is not.It needs a lot of hardwork,time and patience with all the things to do.From the basic up to the last part of making money.
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  • Profile picture of the author lhhe
    ExRat, wow, what a reponse! I can't begin to thank you enough for the advice you have posted here - big thanks!

    And Liza, do not worry, I am prepared for the long haul in this. Whenever evaluations or comments have been made about my personality in the past it's along the lines of "not that smart but bloody determined" - which I think is enough.

    Thank you both again for your words of wisdom. I plan to start doing (not just reading/thinking) about this within the next couple of weeks.

    Cheers.
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    • Profile picture of the author ExRat
      Hi Lhhe/Ihhe,

      No worries, glad to help.

      "not that smart but bloody determined"
      Stay determined and be determined to get smarter and you'll be fine.
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      • Profile picture of the author DeePower
        1) Is there much of a difference between using free websites such as Blogger... than your own domain + static page or blog?

        You betcha. You have control over your own website, you ultimately don't over blogger, squidoo, etc. However for someone who is new to IM, a blogger blog can be the way to start, build up confidence, start making money throuh Adsense and affiliate sales.

        The free websites can be utilized as a way to build backlinks using your keywords to your own site.

        2) Audience. I don't remember the last time I EVER clicked on an ad banner. Or bought something through an affiliate link - in fact it's probably never. I find it hard to believe that so many millions of website users out there are so naive as to click a website like slimming-down-post-baby-weight.com or a blogspot URL when, to me, they are SO obviously geared towards selling something. I think average internet users are getting smarter. So the cynic in me wonders how these awful "sales letter" type websites actually make people part with their cash... or what look like spam/advert sites make people actually buy something... or click on a link. No one that I know would ever do this. Yet there are loads of you on here, and all over the web, who say "yes, the average internet user really is that naive".

        I don't think it's a matter of being naive. We, as IMers (Gawd I actually admitted I'm an IMer) have a different perspective than the general population who uses the Internet. As far as the "slimming down to lose the baby weight" url there are women who are desperate to lose the weight, so yes they may work.

        Look at the ads in hard copy magazines, they're not so far removed from online ads.

        The url itself may not have any impact. I have a wedding site that has a url that isn't even remotely related to weddings but it gets a nice bit of traffic and earns me AdSense.

        3) There seems to be some major backrubbing going on. I've been reading a LOT of threads on here (I only signed up today though) and how can a newbie like me tell when a recommendation for a product or service is a genuine one, rather than I'll scratch your back recs?

        Look at the other posts on the WF from the owner of the product. Are they helpful or just hype? Contact the owner with specific questions. Do you get timely answers? Contact the person recommending the product with specific questions.


        Finally - I really want to give this a go. But I'm worried in case it's just one big con! So.. my last question:

        4) Did you have the same doubts as me at first? What about your friends and relatives when you tell them what you "do"? What point did your opinion turn into "hey this is working!".

        No I didn't. I've been self employed with my own consulting company for quite a long time and now I'm a writer.My friends and relatives never understood exactly what I did. Even when I said I was a book author, I'd often get the question "Oh, anything I'd want to read?" We (I have a partner) developed a website in 1997 to market our consulting services and gradually evolved into more IM stuff, so there wasn't a point where I could say "it's working." And besides some stuff worked and some didn't.

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  • Profile picture of the author bgmacaw
    Originally Posted by lhhe View Post

    1) Is there much of a difference between using free websites such as Blogger... than your own domain + static page or blog?
    Blogger works quite well. As long as your site is legit it is very rare for it to be locked and even rarer still for it to be deleted. Remember that with self-hosting you can run into 'worst case' scenarios too so take those "gloom and doom" stories about Blogger with a grain of salt.

    But, there is a problem. Blogger blogs don't get a lot of respect from affiliate companies with the exception of Google (no surprise there since they own Blogger). I recently had to move about 50 Blogger blogs off of Blogger to their own domain due to changes in the EPN/eBay rules which was quite annoying. Fortunately, .info domains are cheap.

    Originally Posted by lhhe View Post

    Yet there are loads of you on here, and all over the web, who say "yes, the average internet user really is that naive".
    Yes, they do click ads, usually because it leads to something that they want, a new camera, a good DUI lawyer, a recipe book or something else. On a good performing site this will be about 10-20% of the visitors. So, if you have 100 visitors, 10-20 will click thru while 80-90 will feel like you do and not click ads.

    Originally Posted by lhhe View Post

    There seems to be some major backrubbing going on. I've been reading a LOT of threads on here (I only signed up today though) and how can a newbie like me tell when a recommendation for a product or service is a genuine one, rather than I'll scratch your back recs?
    You can't but you can figure it out through wise observation. There's a lot of free information that's very good out there if you look. Keep your money in your pocket, especially at first. I recommend putting yourself into action as cheaply as possible and gradually and carefully expanding as you earn money.
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  • Profile picture of the author stevenbrandon411
    This is all really great information and brings back some of my same feelings and fears as when I started out doing this.
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