A question from Internet Marketers

by pknerd
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Hi

I pardon in advance if my question offend you but this is something which has been confusing me for long time. So here we go.

Most of IM people have come across I have found one thing in common, they provoke others to buy their courses to earn millions. They ask it to do this because they said they have been doing it. Now my question is, if they are already earning millions, why the heck they are putting themselves intro trouble and making life hectic by coaching others. Don't they love luxurious life style they advertised here and there?

I contacted a couple of such life style marketers and requested them to teach me free as right now I cant even afford 50 bucks, guess what? None replied. So, incase if one says they are "willing" to let others earn sounds funny to me.

TBH, IMO, these marketers earn only via selling their course. They know people LOVE to earn more and they touch that emotional string of human nature.

Am I wrong? If yes, then tell me how?
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  • Profile picture of the author kk075
    Originally Posted by pknerd View Post


    Am I wrong? If yes, then tell me how?
    You're not wrong but then again, you're not right either. If you think that those people can't make money by any other means than selling information, then why would you contact them and ask for free lessons? It makes zero sense.

    The part you're the most wrong about though is-

    Most of IM people have come across I have found one thing in common, they provoke others to buy their courses to earn millions.
    One, most Internet Marketers do not sell courses.
    Two, most of them are not making millions.
    Three, if that's all your coming across, then you're looking in the wrong places.
    Four, marketing is supposed to provoke others. That's the definition of marketing.
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    • Profile picture of the author pknerd
      then why would you contact them and ask for free lessons?

      As I already said, they provoke the sensitive emotion of human being that is, to earn more.


      One, most Internet Marketers do not sell courses.

      Well, pick any famous marketer, you'll find him to come into his/her mastermind group, seminars etc etc. I am not saying they should earn money by selling courses. All I said that it always gives impression that teaching/selling courses is the biggest source to earn money.
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      • Profile picture of the author kk075
        Originally Posted by pknerd View Post


        Well, pick any famous marketer, you'll find him to come into his/her mastermind group, seminars etc etc. I am not saying they should earn money by selling courses. All I said that it always gives impression that teaching/selling courses is the biggest source to earn money.
        The part you're missing is that hosting free seminars, holding workshops and pumping out new content is a full time job. So if these people appear famous to you, that's because it's their main source of income and they have to appear famous.

        But you and I must have very different definitions of famous though, because I see famous people on The Tonight Show, or hosting syndicated radio broadcasts worldwide, or getting regular mentions in the mainstream media. The "famous people" you're talking about are only known within very specific communities for selling their own products. But once they stop promoting, they're forgotten practically overnight.

        If you want to learn from someone "famous" for free though, then go check out Matt Cutt's blog on internet marketing and Google. He gives you all the tools you need to build a niche and obtain success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Mark Singletary
    A couple of thoughts:

    1. Many successful marketers have chosen to not sell courses. Many have.

    Those that have are typically a little hesitant to share their site names or what exactly they were doing. For example, if you read my course where I said I opened a new membership site exclusively for 50-59 year old divorced women that wanted to get in shape and it was called XYZ.com and I got filthy stinking rich in about 6 months because this was such a lucrative market/niche, what would stop you from doing this exact same thing and hurting me.

    That's the argument they make for not being more forthcoming but it does create some doubts.

    2. Don't forget that the biggest internet marketers aren't individuals, they are corporations like Amazon, FB, PayPal, Ebay, Google, etc. They sell services mostly online and so their marketing is mostly online.

    3. If an individual "guru" is only selling his course, but if he was able to convince you to buy or to ask for help then isn't that worth something? I mean what's so bad about it if they know how to sell something better than you? Isn't there something that we could learn from them?

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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler Pratt
    I do both, make money from driving traffic to cpa offers and sell reports on internet marketing.

    For me I get way more satisfaction in helping someone else with there online journey.

    And to answer your question.

    Nothing if FREE in this world. And especially coaching. You have to invest in yourself if you want to have any success online.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tyler Hall
    Originally Posted by pknerd View Post

    Hi

    I pardon in advance if my question offend you but this is something which has been confusing me for long time. So here we go.

    Most of IM people have come across I have found one thing in common, they provoke others to buy their courses to earn millions. They ask it to do this because they said they have been doing it. Now my question is, if they are already earning millions, why the heck they are putting themselves intro trouble and making life hectic by coaching others. Don't they love luxurious life style they advertised here and there?

    I contacted a couple of such life style marketers and requested them to teach me free as right now I cant even afford 50 bucks, guess what? None replied. So, incase if one says they are "willing" to let others earn sounds funny to me.

    TBH, IMO, these marketers earn only via selling their course. They know people LOVE to earn more and they touch that emotional string of human nature.

    Am I wrong? If yes, then tell me how?
    First. how do you qualify that "most" IM marketers are selling courses? This is simply false. How do products get sold online outside of IM?

    Through marketers of course. If products weren't being marketed. Nothing would be sold. We know this clearly isn't the case.

    If they are provoking you to want to buy there course to me this means they are doing there job. They are MARKETING and your buying. Is this not what your after? The ability to sell online?

    If they truely have already made millions is it not possible that they may be happy to help others reach their own goals.

    I know if I was at that point I would more then gladly help others reach success.

    THERE ARE A LOT OF SCAMMERS OUT THERE ASWELL. These are not so much marketers as they are scammers.

    Just as there are door to door salesmen masquerading as legit employees.

    Just as scams are run over the phone.

    These individuals are not marketers. Well in sense, I suppose they are. But not for the better.

    Suggesting MOST internet marketers only make money from selling courses is ridiculous.
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      I contacted a couple of such life style marketers and requested them to teach me free
      So you think people selling MMO info are not doing as well as they claim. Have to wonder if you formed that opinion before or after they weren't interested in giving their coaching/product to you for free?

      Some marketers earn and teach - some earn by teaching - some are full of it. Some buyers choose wisely, some grasp at straws and some want everything for free. Sort of balances out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Tom Addams
    Blatant transparency on the way...

    Why do I sell working methods? If the methods work, word gets out. Word gets out, you have a passive income source. And how do you earn money by selling information? You sell 2 types: the kind that is unlikely to get saturated, and the kind that will, causing you to sell it in small quantities. If I can make $1 with 1 method and sell that method for $1 and still not lose my original $1, then it makes sense to double-up those dollars. Similar rules apply to information that's sensitive to saturation. You sell just enough so your current, working level of earnings is not affected.

    Why do I coach? If I was a regular coach, the above rules would apply here, too. I actually coach for a couple of reasons. Firstly, while I've been in IM for almost 21 years, I only entered MMO in 2013. Coaching gives me a chance to connect with my target audience and make myself a better teacher. Since, even when I write up guides, I'm still teaching. I've been coaching since November and it's made my tutorials far better, I think. In a nutshell: I now understand my target audience. The second reason is all about money. But not money I receive from coaching (I charge very little). The money I hope to receive by helping people and making a name for GRM. It's a family business and we run it like one. We're not too big to get to know our members and help. I feel if I can turn out some truly exceptional marketers, this can only make the business better. And I'll do some good in the process.

    Ill probably get slammed for shameless self-promotion, but there was no other way to really answer this thread, and I figured I'd step in to give a real-world perspective.

    Last thing...

    I have a nose for who talks the talk and walks the walk. And a lot of the "walk the walkers" on WF are indeed coaches. I personally can't see myself coaching for long. When I get out of it what I need, and when my students do too, I see no reason to continue. I like it, don't get me wrong, and you end up making life-long friends, but I have ambitions and commitments. I would guess that a lot of the smart coaches on WF do it because they love it and they can still run their businesses just as well whilst doing it.

    (Edit: Some of that will also answer why those coaches wouldn't work for free. Even if it isn't about the coaching money, and it often isn't, we're marketers, entrepreneurs, and coaching is hard work. All entrepreneurs want remuneration for their efforts.)

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  • Profile picture of the author zdebx
    The catch is that they make their "millions" by teaching other people about how they make their millions. The irony, heh?

    However, the sad fact is that a lot of times what they teach is not actually what they do. It's common for some rehashed stuff to be sold as a "hot method", which in reality no longer works and is useless, but how would you know that, if you are just a beginner?

    Not saying that everything related to MMO out there is rubbish, but most of it is for sure.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Originally Posted by pknerd View Post


    I contacted a couple of such life style marketers and requested them to teach me free as right now I cant even afford 50 bucks, guess what? None replied. So, incase if one says they are "willing" to let others earn sounds funny to me.
    Makes a whole lot of sense huh ? Contact complete strangers and they are supposed to sacrifice their Time and Money to help you out for free ??

    That's complete nonsense.

    Why don't you just ask them to send you a check for money. It's the same thing



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    • Profile picture of the author pknerd
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      Makes a whole lot of sense huh ? Contact complete strangers and they are supposed to sacrifice their Time and Money to help you out for free ??

      That's complete nonsense.

      Why don't you just ask them to send you a check for money. It's the same thing



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      nvm but you did not get the main point.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jackson Tan
    Face it.. nothing is Free in this world.. If you want to be successful then you need to out in your own effort too!
    Yes, these guys may be earning lots of money just by doing what they know best but I also feel that, even if they tell you exactly how and what to do, you may not have the same level of success as them.. there is always an element of luck and timing.. sad fact but nothing is fair..
    As mentioned in other post, if I can double my money, then why not. It is the same as selling a plug and play FB ads, don't you think if everyone knows about it then it won't be as profitable as before or do you think it continue to be as profitable?

    Just my 2 cents~
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    • Profile picture of the author 512 Designs
      It's called having multiple income streams.

      I know a professional speaker who makes quite a bit of money giving motivational speeches to big corporations. He could probably live well just off of those. But guess what? He also writes and sells books, audio tapes, and does personal coaching to other "up and coming" speakers.

      This does a couple of things.

      1. Increases his income for him and his family
      2. Provides backup income in case one or two streams dry up.

      As for experts giving away free advice....If the coaching is free and you do nothing with it, then no big deal. It didn't cost you anything. However, if you paid $1000 for it, well then you'd make sure you did something to get back your investment. Having some skin in the game can create some serious motivation.

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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisNosal
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    I know for me, I'm motivated to make a dent in the universe.

    I think of it like this...

    When I did, imagine God, or whatever, asks you, "I gave you valuable, irreplaceable time... how did you use the most valuable resource ever"

    Are you going to say...

    "I made a million day, proved to that bitch I was more powerful than her, relaxed on a beach, and did whatever I wanted"

    Or...

    "I transformed the business world, by getting them to focus on creating quality products, and doing the best they can with their business, and doing what's right for everyone, to make life better for billions of people, rather than just focusing on money alone."

    We all have an inherent desire to make a difference.

    If you look at my website, it's 99% free content AS the marketing, maybe 1% advertising with little links for further education at the end.

    Yet, I can have 25 visitors a day and make 2 sales of my iMarketing course, which is $244 a day, and $1,708 a week, by providing a reasonably affordable solution that is better than anything else out there.

    It comes down to caring about what you create - like a painter or musician, and seeing with pride when you've mastered your craft so well you truly look at it as the ultimate expression of what it's capable of being, then look for ways to make it even better.

    It's because we deserve to be paid for the work we do, and if we do an exceptional job, people are happy to support us for a reasonable investment, but you need to never lose sight of what's truly important in life, which is people, and making a difference.
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  • Profile picture of the author winnermarketing
    I try to answer you!

    1) they lie.
    2) they want earn more (i.g. the creator of this forum!!! )

    3) Why a IM should teach for free???
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