Setting Your Price: One Time VS Subscription

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This post is for newbies who are wondering about pricing.

An expert platform I'm a member of has been discussing transactional (one time) vs subscription options.

I figure people are wondering about the same question here.

Now a lot of people know how to use spreadsheets, and they make fancy simulations where the money comes in and they're millionaires.

Reality doesn't work that way unless you have the resources to scale up quickly. We'll be looking at why in a minute.

But first, I saw some confusion and muddy thinking about pricing.

If you want any transactional buyers, which means you get paid in full up front, you can't just say your price for that option is 12X your monthly subscription rate.

You need to make it "two months reduced" or "20% Off" to have the transaction price be valuable to the buyer. Anything lower doesn't look like a substantial discount.

My accounting prof beat it into our heads over three years: "A dollar today is worth more than a dollar tomorrow."

This is because of the interest rate, and also a concept called "opportunity cost"--you could have done something else with that money that could have earned you more money...or lost you less.

So getting paid in full today is better than waiting 12 months on that principle alone.

But there's more.

It gets worse.

The reality of subscription payments is that they don't smoothly chime in every time they come around.

Buyers run out of cash and are not able to pay you.

They forget to fund their payment method.

They decide to buy beer instead of pay for your program.

The truth is, every time you ask for that subscription payment is another opportunity for a breakdown in the process.

And now YOU have to be the bad guy. Turning off access. Having to send follow up emails, or make collection calls. Ick.

So use subscription payments if you must, but expect things not to go smoothly. A number of buyers will fall by the wayside. And a year is a long time. Scrunch that payment schedule down if you can.

I've run a few subscription-based offers and there are always hassles. Did I get more buyers than I would have? Can't say for sure. And that's a big warning right there for me not to do it again. A free trial and then one-time billing is a possibility.

Best to get paid in full up front. Then you can concentrate on providing great customer service. They've committed.

One time I think the subscription model did work well was a membership site product for which we had a Facebook group. I rolled it out over four weeks. The first week's content was already done, but the next three were based not just on what I wanted to talk about but the real world issues that came up in the group discussions.

That way, the buyers had genuine involvement. Still a number of subscription failures, even at the single digit price point, though. (Remember, it takes just as much effort to make a $5000 sale as a $5 one...and I believe it's actually easier to make the $5000 one because that buyer already has money on hand.)

Dan Ariely has a video I've returned to time and time again since discovering it early in 2012:


You'll want to watch, even if it's in review (we think we know this stuff, but the truth is we rapidly forget details) because he explains a three-option offer.

You can't do this with just two offers--transactional and subscription. You need a third to help people make up their minds. Have a look at the video and you'll discover what I mean.

For subscription models to work, a key seems to be buyer involvement. If they're simply consuming content, it's unlikely they'll pay in full after they're done consuming. With involvement, however, they perceive something more "in it for them".

Each time you come back cap in hand looking for a payment, you have to make that sale again whether you know it or not, and whether you're actually present or not. So get paid in full up front if you can.
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  • Profile picture of the author MarkHernandez
    There are some SOLID points you have made with this post mate, And someone who has played with subscription model would instantly node his head while reading it! Great insights..
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    • Profile picture of the author Steve B
      Jason,

      What changes the game totally is the fact that the customer really wants what you are offering . . . he's not just lukewarm or sitting on the fence in his desire for your monthly service. Your prospect has to have what you offer - he wants it more than beer!

      A subscription web site catering to hard core fanatics is a sound model if you listen to what they want and provide it oozing with quality and top shelf customer service.

      There is a huge difference between having to sell your product every month when it's payment time as opposed to dealing with folks who can't wait to see what next month will bring!

      Having 1/10 the members, but providing them with an incredible experience at a premium price circumvents most of the downside of dealing with people that have to be sold month after month.

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      • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
        Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

        Jason,

        What changes the game totally is the fact that the customer really wants what you are offering . . . he's not just lukewarm or sitting on the fence in his desire for your monthly service. Your prospect has to have what you offer - he wants it more than beer!

        A subscription web site catering to hard core fanatics is a sound model if you listen to what they want and provide it oozing with quality and top shelf customer service.

        There is a huge difference between having to sell your product every month when it's payment time as opposed to dealing with folks who can't wait to see what next month will bring!

        Having 1/10 the members, but providing them with an incredible experience at a premium price circumvents most of the downside of dealing with people that have to be sold month after month.

        Steve
        I agree...high ticket is a great way to go. Not the direction most in this forum are going, though, and that's the audience I'm speaking to.

        Easy to say, hard to execute. Personally, I'd rather get paid in full immediately and take money completely off the table.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    Thanks Jason,

    Both your post and that video are very thought-provoking.

    It is an important consideration for someone offering offline services or products, also.

    I have offered annual pricing and monthly pricing options, but I had never thought about throwing in a middle "less desirable" option to influence the decision making process to move customers towards my preferred response.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jack Gordon
    I know this isn't what you are really talking about, but the best model in my opinion is SaaS. Sell them something they need, on a monthly basis, for a price that saves/makes them money in the long run, and they'll happily pay your monthly fee for life (or at least the life span of their interest in what you offer).

    The key is understanding the difference between a one-time consumable and an ongoing need.

    I would never try to sell a one-time consumable product on a subscription plan, unless the first payment was enough to make me happy and anything that came in after that was a bonus. The two ideas are just incompatible enough to always cause friction.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by Jack Gordon View Post

      I know this isn't what you are really talking about, but the best model in my opinion is SaaS. Sell them something they need, on a monthly basis, for a price that saves/makes them money in the long run, and they'll happily pay your monthly fee for life (or at least the life span of their interest in what you offer).

      The key is understanding the difference between a one-time consumable and an ongoing need.

      I would never try to sell a one-time consumable product on a subscription plan, unless the first payment was enough to make me happy and anything that came in after that was a bonus. The two ideas are just incompatible enough to always cause friction.
      Yeah, I'm talking about membership sites, or spread-out monthly payment plans...

      ...one idea I've tried out is keeping a proportionate amount of content locked up until payment is received. This is labor-intensive though as you must go in and unlock new levels for each user every time a payment is made. For $97 or higher it's OK, but for $9, a bit frustrating...maybe work for a VA. Or a drip feed membership plugin.

      Another time I tried a two payment subscription (basically just splitting it into two payments.) I opened the first site up and left the other locked. If they didn't pay the second half, I was OK with it because they'd paid for the first and I was satisfied with the initial exchange of value.

      I believe the average subscription life is three months (whether the seller wishes it so or not.) So if you're giving access to all the content immediately, you might want to set your total investment for that three months to make you happy in exchange for the content. The rest of the payments are a bonus in that case.

      A sort of sub topic we might be touching on here is whether it's the seller's responsibility or not to give the buyer different opportunities to pay.

      Some people have a refund and subscription failure rate that would be unacceptably high to me. They might get orders I wouldn't; I don't really know. To me, the hassle just isn't worth it.

      SaaS has its own issues, which I'm prepping some content about right now.
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  • Profile picture of the author Highway55
    If you're doing a subscription model you'd better be one hell of a personality. Products get boring by themselves, but when branded with a powerful personality that people like and enjoy hearing from - that's a recipe for paying customers and long term success.
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  • Profile picture of the author Highway55
    When you think about subscriptions - think talk radio. Howard Stern. Rush Limbaugh. People hang on their every word. It's the same for a marketing subscription program, or golf subscription program or fitness subscription program (think Tony Horton - P90x).

    People like good information, but the LOVE to be spoon fed with entertainment. That's real value to consumers.
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  • Profile picture of the author Barry Unruh
    After watching the video, I'm picturing more of a scenario like this:

    Membership Site - $97 / Month ($1164 Annual Cost)
    Monthly Insiders Newsletter $77 / Month ($924 Annual Cost)
    Membership Site + Monthly Insiders Newsletter - One Time Annual Payment - $1100

    You prefer they pay annually, so you are giving them options, where it seems like an almost no-brainer to choose the third option.
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    • Profile picture of the author quadagon
      Originally Posted by Barry Unruh View Post

      After watching the video, I'm picturing more of a scenario like this:

      Membership Site - $97 / Month ($1164 Annual Cost)
      Monthly Insiders Newsletter $77 / Month ($924 Annual Cost)
      Membership Site + Monthly Insiders Newsletter - One Time Annual Payment - $1100

      You prefer they pay annually, so you are giving them options, where it seems like an almost no-brainer to choose the third option.
      I feel that your almost there but switching from monthly to annual is too confusing and actually makes the best offer look worst. You've anchored me with $97 so in contrast $1100 looks massive.

      Off the top of my head i might go

      Newsletter 3 month subscription $799
      Membership Site 12 month subscription $899
      Newsletter and Membership 12 month subscription $899 (then highlight the one off discount on this offer only)

      You have to careful on how you frame the offer so that it looks like you are getting a discount for annual payment rather than being given a surcharge for paying monthly
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  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    Interesting timing of your post Jason.

    I have a book coming out later this year and have just finished a chapter on asymmetric dominance effect (the decoy effect) in online marketing.

    One of the functions of the old Brain is to compare so when a new product of invention is released our brain struggles to understand whether the price set is a great deal, fair price or rip off.

    If a company was to launch a 5 spring, double riveted micro fruit condenser I don't know if that's a good thing or not. I have no frame of reference to say that the £997 price is good or bad.

    There's a great deal I could write about framing but that's for another time.

    Let us say the say company then released a 5 spring triple riveted micro fruit condenser for £1997. I know have a frame of reference I can now see that both are 5 spring micro fruit condensers but that one is triple riveted and the other is double.

    As the price difference is £1000 I could probably manage with a double riveted condenser.
    What at first appeared confusing now has context and so the £997 looks a fair price in comparison to the £1997

    In the above example the £1997 condenser becomes the decoy the company issuing it has no real desire to sell £1997 but know that by releasing it they can drive sales to their option.

    It's important to note that these are two different products. When Jason says:

    You can't do this with just two offers--transactional and subscription. You need a third to help people make up their minds. Have a look at the video and you'll discover what I mean.


    This isn't strictly true as you are offering them the same product but with a different payment method

    In Dan's example there were three options Digital, Physical and Digital and Physical. The Digital Only was the decoy to force people into selection either the Physical option or the Digital and Physical combination. Essentially these are the same products (likely with the same content) but provided in a different medium.

    In my book I go on to explain something I've called the double decoy. The double decoy effect is where you create two decoy products with the sole purpose of selling one. For this imagine you have three products A,B & C. You want to sell product B.

    In order to do this Product A has to have nearly identical features and benefits as product b but a much larger selling price.

    Product C must have a similar price point to option B but with inferior features and benefits.

    This way when the customer compares they are almost forced into buying option B and the other two are unappealing.

    With regard to Dan's work I think its important to frame it. A lot of Dan's results are not real world but from asking students which would they do? For those experienced in marketing you will know that what we will say we will do and what we do are different things.

    Sorry went on longer than i thought but I'm in a writing mood
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

      Interesting timing of your post Jason.

      I have a book coming out later this year and have just finished a chapter on asymmetric dominance effect (the decoy effect) in online marketing.

      One of the functions of the old Brain is to compare so when a new product of invention is released our brain struggles to understand whether the price set is a great deal, fair price or rip off.

      If a company was to launch a 5 spring, double riveted micro fruit condenser I don't know if that's a good thing or not. I have no frame of reference to say that the £997 price is good or bad.

      There's a great deal I could write about framing but that's for another time.

      Let us say the say company then released a 5 spring triple riveted micro fruit condenser for £1997. I know have a frame of reference I can now see that both are 5 spring micro fruit condensers but that one is triple riveted and the other is double.

      As the price difference is £1000 I could probably manage with a double riveted condenser.
      What at first appeared confusing now has context and so the £997 looks a fair price in comparison to the £1997

      In the above example the £1997 condenser becomes the decoy the company issuing it has no real desire to sell £1997 but know that by releasing it they can drive sales to their option.

      It's important to note that these are two different products. When Jason says:

      You can't do this with just two offers--transactional and subscription. You need a third to help people make up their minds. Have a look at the video and you'll discover what I mean.


      This isn't strictly true as you are offering them the same product but with a different payment method

      In Dan's example there were three options Digital, Physical and Digital and Physical. The Digital Only was the decoy to force people into selection either the Physical option or the Digital and Physical combination. Essentially these are the same products (likely with the same content) but provided in a different medium.

      In my book I go on to explain something I've called the double decoy. The double decoy effect is where you create two decoy products with the sole purpose of selling one. For this imagine you have three products A,B & C. You want to sell product B.

      In order to do this Product A has to have nearly identical features and benefits as product b but a much larger selling price.

      Product C must have a similar price point to option B but with inferior features and benefits.

      This way when the customer compares they are almost forced into buying option B and the other two are unappealing.

      With regard to Dan's work I think its important to frame it. A lot of Dan's results are not real world but from asking students which would they do? For those experienced in marketing you will know that what we will say we will do and what we do are different things.

      Sorry went on longer than i thought but I'm in a writing mood
      I considered changing that word "offers" to "options" earlier, but was lazy about it. Semantically yes what you say is correct. They are options not offers.

      As for the rest of your post, great points and you definitely added to the discussion.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    I find that subscription pricing works well when the pain point is low.
    For example, I don't even think about my Netflix subscription because
    the price is under $10. So if your product can be amortized so the
    prospect wouldn't even have to think about the payment then you
    have a winner.

    But when the price is higher then the one-time payment works
    better because a subscriber is more likely to stop subscription
    than for an upfront payer to ask for a refund.

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    • Profile picture of the author quadagon
      Originally Posted by Raydal View Post

      I find that subscription pricing works well when the pain point is low.
      For example, I don't even think about my Netflix subscription because
      the price is under $10. So if your product can be amortized so the
      prospect wouldn't even have to think about the payment then you
      have a winner.

      But when the price is higher then the one-time payment works
      better because a subscriber is more likely to stop subscription
      than for an upfront payer to ask for a refund.

      -Ray Edwards
      Fully agree with this, you almost want it to be hidden in plain site on the bank statement.

      Do you use Netflix much?

      Reason I ask is that Netflix is easy to justify expenditure for both users and non users: its cheaper than cable, if I only watch one movie a month iI break even. Whilst people who use it daily would never consider stopping.

      I think one of the lessons to take from Netflix is positioning of price.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    I get your posts, Jason.

    However, there is still space for subscriptions in certain situations.

    In SaaS, the subscription model still works.

    For others, like 'lump sum' value offerings, the one time payment approach (with upsells/lists) is the better way to go as you have said.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by writeaway View Post

      I get your posts, Jason.

      However, there is still space for subscriptions in certain situations.

      In SaaS, the subscription model still works.

      For others, like 'lump sum' value offerings, the one time payment approach (with upsells/lists) is the better way to go as you have said.
      Maybe I wasn't as clear on my OP as I would have liked to be.

      I didn't say "never do subscription-based offers."

      I wanted to say "here are some concerns I've experienced and seen when trying to use them" because some business owners were asking. And it's ALWAYS better to get paid in full up front of you can...because a dollar today IS worth more than a dollar tomorrow.

      Consider web hosting. I don't pay $400 or whatever it is for two years in monthly subscription payments: they have me pay it all up front. It *could* work as a subscription, but in that situation once the solution is turned on, it's a bit more inconvenient to turn off.
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