Warrior Forum Coaches

by JonathanGutierrez

Posted: 9 years ago 11 replies

INTERNET MARKETING

I was just reading a really good thread about how newbies should get started and whom they should trust for mentoring. I noticed no one mentioned the delicate issue of coaches on the warrior forum, and I thought that this warranted some further discussion.

One of the most disheartening aspects of internet marketing for beginners is having to discern who's trustworthy and who's just out to steal your lunch. I was particularly dismayed when I saw IM coaches here on the Warrior Forum who are teaching others how to start a WSO/Coaching business without any previous business or marketing experience. So, from what I can see, you make money with WSOs and coaching programs that teach clients how to sell WSOs and set up their own coaching programs, which teach others ...and this cycle presumably continues forever and ever, Amen.

Am I missing something here? Are there newbies setting themselves up as coaches despite never having run a business themselves? Are there good and decent coaches on the warrior forum? Furthermore. is it unethical to sell WSOs if you haven't had big success outside the IM niche, or is it okay to sell a simple training that teaches something valuable to newbies?

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jmh777

9 years ago

Definitely.

Half of IM products on their sales page call themselves "gurus" and "marketing masters". It is lying, but people feel more comfortable to buy from someone who has had success.

At the same time, I don't think it is unethical.

You could be a total newbie, but have some amazing method that works for you. You don't have to be an expert to make money online!

However, it definitely is wrong, if you call yourself a guru, and you clearly isn't. You shouldn't be taking on people to coach and trying to bullshit them.

My thoughts.

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kk075

9 years ago

Originally Posted by jmh777

At the same time, I don't think it is unethical.

You could be a total newbie, but have some amazing method that works for you. You don't have to be an expert to make money online!

It certainly is unethical, especially when there are hundreds of IDENTICAL WSO's for sale by different people. Who created them? Who knows.....but the WSO said to "Teach others to sell this WSO and they will become filthy rich!" I'm sorry, but that's a version of a typical pyramid scheme- and it is considered outright fraud by the US government in all 50 states.

But hey...you can commit a felony and still have your ethics. Just look at drug dealers who poison their own neighborhoods to support their baby-mamas. I guess some would say that's an ethical profession as well.

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JonathanGutierrez 9 years ago

Yeah, but if you have a successful method, then I don't think you would be considered a newbie anymore, right? I was more concerned about people faking their way just to make a buck.
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JonathanGutierrez

9 years ago

Yes, that's what I was getting at kk075. Although I'm not sure I would compare it to pushing drugs, I think the pyramid scheme example is appropriate!

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The Niche Man

9 years ago

Your question is one reason I personally encourage all newbies to have the discipline to learn the basics on their own. There's enough information on the web to educate yourself.

Plus, you're exercising the discipline you'll need to run a successful online business. No one should ever depend on a coach to teach them the basics anyway. Seek a coach to take you to the next level, if you're having trouble in some specific area.

Most top gun coaches I know will either insist you know the basics before taking you on as a client, or they'll just give you stuff to read regarding the basics - before they start teaching you the good stuff. Plus, charge you for doing it. So, you might as well learn them on you own if you can.

Set up your own program for study and learn the basics yourself. Then "IF" you choose to get a coach, mentor or tour guide you have a better chance of spotting and avoiding the wanta bees, pretenders or posers.

Most top gun coaches I know will either insist you know the basics before taking you on as a client, or they'll just give you stuff to read regarding the basics - before they start teaching you the good stuff. Plus, charge you for doing it. So, you might as well learn them on your own if you can.

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@tjr

9 years ago

Originally Posted by The Niche Man

Your question is one reason I personally encourage all newbies to have the dicipline to learn the basics on their own. There's enough information on the web to educate yourself.

Plus, you're exercising the decipline you'll need to run a successful online business. No one should ever depend on a coach to teach them the basics anyway.

Set up your own program for study and learn the basics yourself. Then "IF" you choose to get a coach, mentor or tour guide you have a better chance of spotting and avoiding the wanta bees, pretenders or posers.

I wrote a thread last night outlining how you could do this. I agree completely. If you want to be an entrepreneur, then prove it. Put in the work, learn to teach yourself.

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JohnJames

9 years ago

Originally Posted by The Niche Man

Your question is one reason I personally encourage all newbies to have the dicipline to learn the basics on their own. There's enough information on the web to educate yourself.

Even so, how would newbies know what's legit out there?

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@tjr 9 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnJames

Even so, how would newbies know what's legit out there?

Anything that can't be verified through a reputable source should be tested.
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The Niche Man 9 years ago

Originally Posted by JohnJames

Even so, how would newbies know what's legit out there?

Take advantage of the tons of free stuff on the web. Success leaves clues, you'll eventually be able to cross reference the valuable information because you'll see and hear it repeated from people who are successful. Plus, use your basic common sense, the same way you tell the real from the phoney in other areas of your life.
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Randall Magwood 9 years ago

Alot of people on this forum only make money on this forum - and that's it. Same as ebay/amazon/fiverr. But this doesn't necessarily mean that they know how to market a website (let alone purchase one), build products, be your mentor, etc.

Hiring internet marketing "coaches" or "mentors" is a hit and miss game. Some are good, but maybe not good for what you're trying to do - or trying to sell. So if you see one coach who specializes in a particular area of "internet marketing"... one that is closely related to YOUR industry... then i would say contact them and see how their services may help you.
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Steve B

9 years ago