What is it i'm doing wrong?

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

I've been getting a good amount of targeted traffic, and i'm able to get on average 80 email opt ins in 24 hours, the visitors go through to a redirect that tells them their ebook has been sent to their email address then it redirects them to an affiliate offer page, if they aren't interested, they go to their email to get their ebook, they are presented with 3 different offers then their link underneath, when they go to the ebook link, they go through 3 pages with 3 different offers to get to their ebook. And that's the end of it.

From all those subscribers since i've started this, about 210 subscribers, all i've got are hops, order form impression counts, and some order form server calls, but they never actually buy it. They make themselves seem interested, but they never go through with it.

Is it the offers that cost too much?

It is impossible for us to tell you if they cost too much because you didn't provide the prices of the products.

Right now, from what you're selling, you aren't pre-selling the user on the offer. Think about it: You're giving them one offer, and then a second offer, and then a third... that doesn't really signal to the prospect that you really believe in A SINGLE offer. It looks like you're just trying to sell them something. Because if offer 1 was so good... why do you now need to push offer 2? So, even though they might click on the offers out of curiosity... they have no faith in the product, because you don't seem to have faith in the product.

Don't send them past 3 offers. Use these pages to build trust in a single offer.

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JC Web 9 years ago

If I signed up to your list, I would immediately unsubscribe after going through what you described. You force people through a total of 4 offers before they can get to the download link for the ebook you promised them. You show no respect for your subscribers and should not expect them to respond in your favor. Learn to treat people right if you want them to hand over their money.
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kk075

9 years ago

Is the eBook free? I'm guessing that it is, and before people are even getting to look at it, you're hitting them with three more paid offers. Put yourself in your customer's shoes....would you buy 1-3 additional things from a stranger without even looking at their freebie first? Of course you wouldn't.

So I don't think it has anything to do with pricing....people are simply clicking on your links trying to find their darn eBook. And every time they click a link that doesn't lead to it, you're lowering their chances of ever buying anything by a pretty big margin.

If you promise them a book, then it should be super-easy to redeem that offer with no strings attached. Save your pitches for the end of that eBook, in follow-up emails and in other areas of your site (special landing pages, etc.). I would guess that's the issue here.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by kk075

Is the eBook free? I'm guessing that it is, and before people are even getting to look at it, you're hitting them with three more paid offers. Put yourself in your customer's shoes....would you buy 1-3 additional things from a stranger without even looking at their freebie first? Of course you wouldn't.

So I don't think it has anything to do with pricing....people are simply clicking on your links trying to find their darn eBook. And every time they click a link that doesn't lead to it, you're lowering their chances of ever buying anything by a pretty big margin.

If you promise them a book, then it should be super-easy to redeem that offer with no strings attached. Save your pitches for the end of that eBook, in follow-up emails and in other areas of your site (special landing pages, etc.). I would guess that's the issue here.

They aren't clicking on my links trying to find their ebook. These are people who have voluntarily clicked these links to go straight to the offer, some even get order form impressions.

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Gambino

9 years ago

If you were browsing the Internet for a product or ebook to buy/read, would you keep going through 7 different offers shoved down your throat, before you even see the product you want? Would you stop and buy other products you weren't even looking for, and probably have little or no interest in, before you even reach where you're trying to get to? I wouldn't.

Looks and sounds like a get rich quick scheme to me. You've put your wants/needs ahead of your customers. Give your customers what they want (the eBook), build the relationship, then send them additional offers over time. At the earliest, link the affiliate offers into the eBook.

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affilorama-portal

9 years ago

These posters are also right. By making it hard to get the ebook, you're hurting your credibility. I would be extremely frustrated and feel cheated if I had to go through all of these offers. If I somehow forgot to unsubscribe, I would certainly never trust you, or your recommendations, again.

If you make a promise (free ebook) you need to deliver it. If you don't deliver on your promises, your prospects won't trust you.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by affilorama-portal

These posters are also right. By making it hard to get the ebook, you're hurting your credibility. I would be extremely frustrated and feel cheated if I had to go through all of these offers. If I somehow forgot to unsubscribe, I would certainly never trust you, or your recommendations, again.

If you make a promise (free ebook) you need to deliver it. If you don't deliver on your promises, your prospects won't trust you.

What should I remove, all of the offers?

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Gambino 9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

What should I remove, all of the offers?

Deliver the eBook. Then follow up with info and offers. Build a relationship with people.

Would you be more likely to buy something your best friend recommends or a stranger in a bar?
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affilorama-portal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

What should I remove, all of the offers?

Here is how I'd modify your funnel.

Optin > redirect page > affiliate offer

Keep that. That part of the funnel is good. Then, when the user successfully opts in from the email, have them go to a single landing page. In the top 3/4 of the page, promote the same offer you redirected the customer to before. In the bottom 1/4 of the page, have a link/button to download the ebook.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by affilorama-portal

Here is how I'd modify your funnel.

Optin > redirect page > affiliate offer

Keep that. That part of the funnel is good. Then, when the user successfully opts in from the email, have them go to a single landing page. In the top 3/4 of the page, promote the same offer you redirected the customer to before. In the bottom 1/4 of the page, have a link/button to download the ebook.

Thanks, I'll try that.

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karmadog

9 years ago

I got this idea to have so many offers presented in their face from an ebook purchased off this forum as a matter of fact.

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Gambino

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

I got this idea to have so many offers presented in their face from an ebook purchased off this forum as a matter of fact.

This forum is full of crappy ideas and products. Many that people actually pay for. A fool and his money will soon part.

Sounds like you have a great chance to start a good, long term business. I hope you wake up and realize it.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Gambino

This forum is full of crappy ideas and products. Many that people actually pay for. A fool and his money will soon part.

Sounds like you have a great chance to start a good, long term business. I hope you wake up and realize it.

You mean because of the amount of subscribers i'm getting now?

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Gambino

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

You mean because of the amount of subscribers i'm getting now?

Yes, if you are truly getting 200 targeted subscribers a day. You could be very successful online. Especially if you can replicate how those 200 subsribers are coming to you.

I have a site that gets 60-100 vistors per day and makes $3000-4000 a month like clockwork.

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affilorama-portal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Gambino

Yes, if you are truly getting 200 targeted subscribers a day. You could be very successful online. Especially if you can replicate how those 200 subsribers are coming to you.

I have a site that gets 60-100 vistors per day and makes $3000-4000 a month like clockwork.

It doesn't work like that though...

Not all visitors are equal. Some visitors are worthless and will never buy anything. Some visitors are worth their weight in gold and will buy a lot. And you might be in an entirely different niche.

You can't look at one website, generating traffic in a unique way, and say that because you make $3-4k/month with that site off of 60-100 visitors per day, that anyone else generating 60-100 visitors a day could be/should be making $3-4k/month.

But 200 leads a day is definitely promising.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by affilorama-portal

It doesn't work like that though...

Not all visitors are equal. Some visitors are worthless and will never buy anything. Some visitors are worth their weight in gold and will buy a lot. And you might be in an entirely different niche.

You can't look at one website, generating traffic in a unique way, and say that because you make $3-4k/month with that site off of 60-100 visitors per day, that anyone else generating 60-100 visitors a day could be/should be making $3-4k/month.

But 200 leads a day is definitely promising.

Out of 200 subscribers per day, how likely is it that at least one of them is the kind of visitor who will buy a lot?

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affilorama-portal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

Out of 200 subscribers per day, how likely is it that at least one of them is the kind of visitor who will buy a lot?

Impossible to say, quite honestly, because I don't know who these people are or how you're finding them.

For example. If your leads/prospects are based outside of USA/Britain/Canada/Australia/New Zealand, their conversions are probably going to be very low.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by affilorama-portal

Impossible to say, quite honestly, because I don't know who these people are or how you're finding them.

For example. If your leads/prospects are based outside of USA/Britain/Canada/Australia/New Zealand, their conversions are probably going to be very low.

About 90% of them are from America and Australia/NZ, and judging by their names they are all women.

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Gambino 9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

About 90% of them are from America and Australia/NZ, and judging by their names they are all women.

What is the niche? Or if you want to be vague, the market?
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- karmadog 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Gambino
  
  What is the niche? Or if you want to be vague, the market?
  
  The weight loss market.
  
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  Gambino 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by karmadog
  
  The weight loss market.
  
  And you have 200 email subscribers per day, all of which are trying to lose weight?
  
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  karmadog 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Gambino
  
  And you have 200 email subscribers per day, all of which are trying to lose weight?
  
  YES all of them are women trying to lose weight. That's why i'm so baffled that i'm not even getting one sale.
  
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  Gambino 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by karmadog
  
  YES all of them are women trying to lose weight. That's why i'm so baffled that i'm not even getting one sale.
  
  What is your eBook? And/or what info is in it? Is every affiliate offer you send them to for weight loss?
  
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  karmadog 9 years ago
  
  Originally Posted by Gambino
  
  What is your eBook? And/or what info is in it? Is every affiliate offer you send them to for weight loss?
  
  The ebook is a rebrandable ebook I was given by a vendor on Clickbank for a weight loss product. Every offer I send them is a weight loss offer.
  
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Gambino

9 years ago

Originally Posted by affilorama-portal

It doesn't work like that though...

Not all visitors are equal. Some visitors are worthless and will never buy anything. Some visitors are worth their weight in gold and will buy a lot. And you might be in an entirely different niche.

You can't look at one website, generating traffic in a unique way, and say that because you make $3-4k/month with that site off of 60-100 visitors per day, that anyone else generating 60-100 visitors a day could be/should be making $3-4k/month.

But 200 leads a day is definitely promising.

Anyone who is pulling in 200 TARGETED visitors a day should not be making $0 per week.

I never said the OP, or anyone else, should be making $3,000-$4,000 per month. But, I know if (s)he's smart, (s)he'll be making money with that traffic. I know I would be.

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ZephyrIon

9 years ago

What is it your selling again?

It sounds like you've spent a lot of time learning how marketing systems work but you haven't sold anything. By name anyhow it sounds like you sold something.

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karmadog

9 years ago

The reason I haven't been building relationships with these subscribers, is because I am not in this for the long run. I thought, considering how I can easily get 200 TARGETED subscribers per day, I wouldn't have to, because i don't need to worry about how many unsubscribes I get, I can easily replenish them in a short amount of time.

But then again compared to you people I really have no idea what I'm talking about.

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Gambino

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

The reason I haven't been building relationships with these subscribers, is because I am not in this for the long run. I thought, considering how I can easily get 200 TARGETED subscribers per day, I wouldn't have to, because i don't need to worry about how many unsubscribes I get, I can easily replenish them in a short amount of time.

But then again compared to you people I really have no idea what I'm talking about.

You're customers aren't idiots. They know you're not in it for the long run. They know you're going to take their money and run. So, they're not giving you their money.

You apparently have to worry if you get 200 unsubscribes a day or 0 sales, correct?

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affilorama-portal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

The reason I haven't been building relationships with these subscribers, is because I am not in this for the long run. I thought, considering how I can easily get 200 TARGETED subscribers per day, I wouldn't have to, because i don't need to worry about how many unsubscribes I get, I can easily replenish them in a short amount of time.

But then again compared to you people I really have no idea what I'm talking about.

The honest truth is this is not going to work, and here is why.

Affiliate marketing is ridiculously profitable, and the reason it is ridiculously profitable is because you're earning a whole lot more per-click on average than you do with ads because people are buying products that you get a huge commission on.

But people don't just magically buy products when they click on links. They have to be convinced to buy them. The landing page, but you know what? That often isn't enough. The merchant expects you to pre-sell them before they arrive.

And how do you pre-sell the customer? By building trust. If they trust you, they'll trust your product recommendations. The pre-sell is a crucial part to why someone buys a product.

Without that trust, it doesn't matter if you drive curiosity clicks, they won't buy. If you're going to be in the affiliate game, you need to be treating your prospects and leads right to build that authority and relationship. Without it, no sales.

Originally Posted by karmadog

Thanks, I'll try that.

Excellent. And make sure you have an autoresponder series in place too.

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mentat47

9 years ago

Wow, that sucks! What is it that you're trying to sell? That's the big question.

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st0nec0ld

9 years ago

If I were in their shoes I would immediately terminate that page, because you know I am expecting a freebie. It is not that I don't want to see those offers it is just that I am impatient and I believe almost all customers are. So, If you don't give me the freebie in an instant then I will assume that I am just being fooled. You should analyze your campaign, it is a good thing that you are aware of what's happening. Make different campaigns and experiment on it, you'll figure it out then what campaign works best for you.

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Abe Archer

9 years ago

Couple of things:

1. Sample size. 210 subscribers isn't enough to make any decisions off. Especially on a product that would likely get a fairly low conversion rate.

2. Traffic isn't targeted enough. You're not putting people that are interested in front of the right offer.

3. Your offer sucks.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Abe Archer

Couple of things:

1. Sample size. 210 subscribers isn't enough to make any decisions off. Especially on a product that would likely get a fairly low conversion rate.

2. Traffic isn't targeted enough. You're not putting people that are interested in front of the right offer.

3. Your offer sucks.

Traffic is very targeted. I don't think my offers suck, because i've had sales with them before.

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Curtis2011

9 years ago

210 people is not a big enough sample size. Come back for advice when you've tried with 1000.

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karmadog 9 years ago

Originally Posted by Curtis2011

210 people is not a big enough sample size. Come back for advice when you've tried with 1000.

Yes, but if i'm not getting a single sale with 200 per day, why would it be any different at 1000?
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affilorama-portal

9 years ago

Because there are always statistical anomalies.

It just occurred to me that if you're getting 200 leads a day, you've only been collecting leads for a single day. Tomorrow, you'll have another 200 leads to see. I still think you should make the changes I recommended, but that you should also not panic and see how it looks in 3-4 days time. Tomorrow you might get 5 sales.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by affilorama-portal

Because there are always statistical anomalies.

It just occurred to me that if you're getting 200 leads a day, you've only been collecting leads for a single day. Tomorrow, you'll have another 200 leads to see. I still think you should make the changes I recommended, but that you should also not panic and see how it looks in 3-4 days time. Tomorrow you might get 5 sales.

If I follow your advice and get rid of all the offer I present them with. I'm going to need a good autoresponder sequence aren't I?

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affilorama-portal

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

If I follow your advice and get rid of all the offer I present them with. I'm going to need a good autoresponder sequence aren't I?

You should have one anyway, because you're leaving huge amounts of money on the table by not.

But the funnel I explained was more about improving your front-end sales. Your front-end sales will be drastically improved if you focus on a single product and present it in a way that your leads won't find frustrating. If you create your funnel like I explained, you'll make more initial sales AND you should also follow it up with an autoresponder sequence to get even more money.

Pick a high-converting offer and push that. The Venus Factor is a very high-converting offer in the weightloss niche.

Originally Posted by Gambino

Just from reading your thread, and knowing your market, I would completely scratch sending that traffic to affiliate programs for eBooks and stuff and get into private labeling supplements. It can be much more profitable (60-70% profit on $149 sales). You need to follow the KISS model; Keep It Simple Stupid. It's a desperate market, just funnel the traffic where you want it to go. Have a way to order your products on every page.

1. Drive traffic, which you seem to be doing.
2. Outsource some content creation. 25-50 articles targeting weight loss keywords.
3. Create a line of branded products to sell.
4. Offer free products or money for testimonials.
5. Upload testimonials when you receive them.
6. Continue ongoing content marketing and driving traffic.
7. Set up an autoresponder that sends out 1 email per week or so just to establish yourself and ultimately ends about a week before the customers supplement supply runs out (ie, 30 days, 60 days, 90 days after purchase).

That is the hands off non-relationship building model of profits that you're looking for.

Great advice. This is a very advanced business model but very profitable. Something to work towards for sure!

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by affilorama-portal

You should have one anyway, because you're leaving huge amounts of money on the table by not.

But the funnel I explained was more about improving your front-end sales. Your front-end sales will be drastically improved if you focus on a single product and present it in a way that your leads won't find frustrating. If you create your funnel like I explained, you'll make more initial sales AND you should also follow it up with an autoresponder sequence to get even more money.

Pick a high-converting offer and push that. The Venus Factor is a very high-converting offer in the weightloss niche.

Great advice. This is a very advanced business model but very profitable. Something to work towards for sure!

I'd go with the Venus Factor, but the sales page isn't mobile responsive.

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karmadog

9 years ago

I've changed everything so that, after they opt in they get to a redirect that tells them the ebook has been sent to their email then they get redirected to the sales page. If they decide not to go with the sales page product and they go to their email to grab the ebook, they are told, before they download their ebook they might want to check out this product (the one they were redirected to) (I tell them it's the same one they were redirected to, and I believe in this product).

If they don't want to, they just click to go to their ebook, they land on a video oto page with a video review of that same product, but there is clearly right below a link that says no thanks, take me to my free ebook. And that's it.

Just one product this time, and not a bunch of crap they have to go through to get to their ebook.

How's that?

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Lucian Lada

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

after they opt in they get to a redirect that tells them the ebook has been sent to their email then they get redirected to the sales page. If they decide not to go with the sales page product and they go to their email to grab the ebook, they are told, before they download their ebook they might want to check out this product (the one they were redirected to) (I tell them it's the same one they were redirected to, and I believe in this product).

If they don't want to, they just click to go to their ebook, they land on a video oto page with a video review of that same product, but there is clearly right below a link that says no thanks, take me to my free ebook. And that's it.

So they opt in for a free ebook, and have to go through three pitches before they can read it? No wonder you're having problems making money.

Originally Posted by karmadog

Just one product this time, and not a bunch of crap they have to go through to get to their ebook.

Product number is irrelevant, what matters is how many times you've tried to make them buy something before giving them the free thing you've promised them.

Originally Posted by karmadog

How's that?

Bad.

Here's a suggestion: stick to what you've promised them. If you say you're giving them a free ebook, then just give them the free ebook. Try to sell to them afterwards. At this stage, if they're not buying, it means they were either not going to buy to start with, or weren't impressed with your ebook's content.

But this means having a top-notch free ebook that contains information very hard to find anywhere else, or something that makes them say, "Wow, this is great information, here. I better stick around and see what this guy Karmadog has to say - he seems to be the real deal."

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lucian Lada

So they opt in for a free ebook, and have to go through three pitches before they can read it? No wonder you're having problems making money.

Product number is irrelevant, what matters is how many times you've tried to make them buy something before giving them the free thing you've promised them.

Bad.

Here's a suggestion: stick to what you've promised them. If you say you're giving them a free ebook, then just give them the free ebook. Try to sell to them afterwards. At this stage, if they're not buying, it means they were either not going to buy to start with, or weren't impressed with your ebook's content.

But this means having a top-notch free ebook that contains information very hard to find anywhere else, or something that makes them say, "Wow, this is great information, here. I better stick around and see what this guy Karmadog has to say - he seems to be the real deal."

But this is what many people giving away free ebooks on this forum do, they make the visitor go through one oto page before they get to their ebook. What is wrong with doing that?

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Lucian Lada

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

But this is what many people giving away free ebooks on this forum do, they make the visitor go through one oto page before they get to their ebook. What is wrong with doing that?

Any many people on this forum are broke. So this should make you think if their approach is really working.

As an experiment, just try a few weeks this approach and see how it works. Right now, you don't have anything to lose.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lucian Lada

Any many people on this forum are broke. So this should make you think if their approach is really working.

As an experiment, just try a few weeks this approach and see how it works. Right now, you don't have anything to lose.

So what you're saying is I should have no front end offers..not even in the first email containing the ebook download and not even the redirect after the opt in?

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Lucian Lada

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

So what you're saying is I should have no front end offers..not even in the first email containing the ebook download and not even the redirect after the opt in?

I'm saying to put yourself in the shoes of your prospects.

You opt in for a free ebook. What you want now is to read that ebook, not to see offers. After you read the ebook, there's nothing wrong with pitching. After all, nobody's giving away free stuff just like that. So a sales pitch at the end of the free ebook, if it ties in well with the free ebook, is a good option. You can even craft your free ebook in such a way that the offer at the end seems natural. Example: you promote a cookbook with 101 recipes for weight loss. You can make your free ebook about 7 free recipes, and at the end pitch the paid solution.

This makes sense; it's natural. Opting in and being bombarded with offers is not. Plus, by not pitching before people read the ebook, it gives them a chance to read what you have to say. And if you say great things, sales will come in much more easily. But if prospects have to dodge 3 pitches before they can even get the chance to open your ebook, they'll just leave infuriated and with a "just another marketer" bad taste into their mouths.

Anyway, it's how I see things.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Lucian Lada

I'm saying to put yourself in the shoes of your prospects.

You opt in for a free ebook. What you want now is to read that ebook, not to see offers. After you read the ebook, there's nothing wrong with pitching. After all, nobody's giving away free stuff just like that. So a sales pitch at the end of the free ebook, if it ties in well with the free ebook, is a good option. You can even craft your free ebook in such a way that the offer at the end seems natural. Example: you promote a cookbook with 101 recipes for weight loss. You can make your free ebook about 7 free recipes, and at the end pitch the paid solution.

This makes sense; it's natural. Opting in and being bombarded with offers is not. Plus, by not pitching before people read the ebook, it gives them a chance to read what you have to say. And if you say great things, sales will come in much more easily. But if prospects have to dodge 3 pitches before they can even get the chance to open your ebook, they'll just leave infuriated and with a "just another marketer" bad taste into their mouths.

Anyway, it's how I see things.

It's not 3 pitches anymore, it's just the redirect (which everyone does) and the quick note in the email.

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Lucian Lada 9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

It's not 3 pitches anymore, it's just the redirect (which everyone does) and the quick note in the email.

Well, as I said, I recommend you test with no redirect, just an offer at the end of the free ebook and see how it turns out. Maybe it works, maybe it doesn't, but at least you'll know for sure.
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Gambino

9 years ago

Just from reading your thread, and knowing your market, I would completely scratch sending that traffic to affiliate programs for eBooks and stuff and get into private labeling supplements. It can be much more profitable (60-70% profit on $149 sales). You need to follow the KISS model; Keep It Simple Stupid. It's a desperate market, just funnel the traffic where you want it to go. Have a way to order your products on every page.

1. Drive traffic, which you seem to be doing.
2. Outsource some content creation. 25-50 articles targeting weight loss keywords.
3. Create a line of branded products to sell.
4. Offer free products or money for testimonials.
5. Upload testimonials when you receive them.
6. Continue ongoing content marketing and driving traffic.
7. Set up an autoresponder that sends out 1 email per week or so just to establish yourself and ultimately ends about a week before the customers supplement supply runs out (ie, 30 days, 60 days, 90 days after purchase).

That is the hands off non-relationship building model of profits that you're looking for.

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crunchor

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

I've been getting a good amount of targeted traffic, and i'm able to get on average 80 email opt ins in 24 hours, the visitors go through to a redirect that tells them their ebook has been sent to their email address then it redirects them to an affiliate offer page, if they aren't interested, they go to their email to get their ebook, they are presented with 3 different offers then their link underneath, when they go to the ebook link, they go through 3 pages with 3 different offers to get to their ebook. And that's the end of it.

From all those subscribers since i've started this, about 210 subscribers, all i've got are hops, order form impression counts, and some order form server calls, but they never actually buy it. They make themselves seem interested, but they never go through with it.

Is it the offers that cost too much?

May be most are just bots.

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karmadog 9 years ago

Originally Posted by crunchor

May be most are just bots.

Bots don't enter email addresses and visit links in the follow up emails.
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troy23

9 years ago

I don't think that will work because it's unlikely they will read past your 1st or 2nd email.
They will either unsubscribe, send it to spam or not open it at all.
I would sell them on the front end, but only one time.
If they don't buy they were simply not interested in the offer.

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aizaku

9 years ago

empathize, would u be happy as some one experiencing your email funnel.

it also sounds like ur not tracking what your customers are doing.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by aizaku

empathize, would u be happy as some one experiencing your email funnel.

it also sounds like ur not tracking what your customers are doing.

I'd be happy with the way it is now. Just one product being offered, seems completely reasonable to me. That's what i've been told anyway.

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karmadog

9 years ago

Is building a 'relationship' even necessary if you have tons of subscribers coming in everyday? I've been reading some threads here about churn and burn email marketing and from what i've read people do have success with that, as long as they keep adding subscribers to their list.

Like this for instance: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...first-why.html

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Lucian Lada

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

Is building a 'relationship' even necessary if you have tons of subscribers coming in everyday? I've been reading some threads here about churn and burn email marketing and from what i've read people do have success with that, as long as they keep adding subscribers to their list.

Like this for instance: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...first-why.html

I haven't tested the churn and burn method, but it makes me laugh because writing emails that build relationship is just as easy as writing emails for the churn and burn method. I don't know why people make such a big deal out if it, like it's some form of specialized writing that needs years and years of practice. If anything, writing emails for the churn and burn method is a bit more difficult.

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S1YMY

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

Is building a 'relationship' even necessary if you have tons of subscribers coming in everyday? I've been reading some threads here about churn and burn email marketing and from what i've read people do have success with that, as long as they keep adding subscribers to their list.

Like this for instance: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...first-why.html

I think you will find that the only people talking about this are those that don't make any money. If you get any list subscribers your should treat them like gold dust. Then they wont churn but will buy. Don't spam them with 10 offers a day, but build up the relationship so they trust you. They may then buy once every few months from your offers rather than unsubscribing to avoid the junk and making you no money.

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th3technician

9 years ago

Build relationship with you list is the key to make money ...

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totalyrecycled12

9 years ago

You defiantly don't want to be sticking products in their face if you already promised them the free e book--collect their email- give them the free e-book on the last page of the e -book put a link to your offer.Or if its a long book put a couple of high quality affiliate links in the appropriate places with in the e-book that is related to what they are reading. This way you can promote the offer while they are reading about something similar and if they like the e-book and you have their email address you can then also send some similar products to them via email but I would set up an interesting email series with good value first and send them that before even sending any more products > this way they will get to trust that you are sending them good stuff. Also check out the affiliate offers you are sending them and make sure they are of good quality.

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S1YMY

9 years ago

From the tortuous process of giving them offer after off just to get to their eBook you would appear to making yourself look like a complete spammer. I would wonder how many people bother to read the eBook as they may be so turned off by all the offers. It is not about price. You offered them an eBook for their eMail address and frankly it doesn't look like you keep your side of the bargain.
Why not give them the eBook and then send a follow up mail the next day asking how they got on, build some credibility and rapport with them, and make a single offer only when it makes sense.

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aspiringaffiliate

9 years ago

I'm guessing either the traffic isn't that targeted or the offer isn't that good.

Women don't want an e-book. They want some magical diet pills.

Make a nice funnel with upsells, downsells, and one time offers.

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Gambino 9 years ago

Originally Posted by aspiringaffiliate

Women don't want an e-book. They want some magical diet pills.

Ding, ding, ding, we have a winner.
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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by aspiringaffiliate

I'm guessing either the traffic isn't that targeted or the offer isn't that good.

Women don't want an e-book. They want some magical diet pills.

Make a nice funnel with upsells, downsells, and one time offers.

What do you mean they don't want an ebook? They entered their email to get it didn't they?

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Gambino

9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

What do you mean they don't want an ebook? They entered their email to get it didn't they?

You're trying to make nickels when you could be making dollars.

They entered their email to get a FREE ebook, not to buy anything. will they sign up to get 10% or 25% off weight loss supplements, then turn around and buy said supplements?

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karmadog

9 years ago

Originally Posted by Gambino

You're trying to make nickels when you could be making dollars.

They entered their email to get a FREE ebook, not to buy anything. will they sign up to get 10% or 25% off weight loss supplements, then turn around and buy said supplements?

You think I should change it to a discount off a product then?

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Gambino 9 years ago

Originally Posted by karmadog

You think I should change it to a discount off a product then?

As I briefly outlined in post #39...

Looking at what you want: basically driving traffic to a website and see if people buy. And if they don't want to buy it, you don't want to build time building a relationship or trying to convince them on the back end. IMO, there's nothing wrong with that. But you need to have the appropriate business model set up.

Weight loss is a desperate niche. It is a year round, evergreen niche. Where people spend money.

Anyone can lose weight. It's simple; eat healthy, exercise more. What people in the niche want is encouragement, support, hope, supplements to expedite the processes (thermogenics), etc.

In my experience, a site selling supplements, in the weight loss niche should average .50-.75 cents per visitor from search engine traffic. If the traffic is warmed up and targeted, it'll do better than that. 200 targeted visitors should be good for $100-$150 ($200-300 in sales) in profit each day if you present it the right way.

This is how I would set it up.

1. Supplements. You should be able to get these products for $7-12 a piece. Minimum order quantity is usually 50. Most of these places will drop ship for you.
2. Create a branded product (think hydroxicut)
3. Develop a site around the product.
4. Add content to the blog.
5. Sell your product(s) in different packages.
6. Set up auto responder to send out emails periodically (so people see your brand name and don't forget about you). Pack it full of helpful, free content. When their supply is about to expire automate an email that says hey, it's time to order again take 10% off your order with this code!
7. Set up a pop up exit banner that says, receive 10% or 20% off today's order! Capture the email, automate the code be sent to their email.

What will separate you is your content and your ability to write content that sells.
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cherrytom

9 years ago

Well done for posing such an interesting question, as you got a lot of really awesome answers. May I respectfully suggest that you look for a mentor? A mentor will not only pinpoint exactly where you're going wrong, but s/he will tell you what to do, and show you how to do it. Keep smiling!

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camnettcontent

9 years ago

You can't put the cart before the horse and expect to succeed. The rule that always works for me in my affiliate marketing and business in general is this...

GIVE FIRST, TAKE SECOND.

If you do that, and do it honestly, by thinking about how you would want someone to market to you, you won't have any problems getting affiliate sales.

You can't offer a "free" ebook and then shove offer after offer into your prospects face. You do that and immediately they smell a rat. You just want to sell a product and you could give a hoot about what they really need.

Take the time to talk to the prospect and let them get to know and trust you and feel at ease like you're NOT trying to sell them on anything but help them solve their problem.

It's like walking into a gathering and seeing someone you're interested in. You wouldn't tell them you're a gentleman who wants to wine, dine and romance them, then turn around and ask if they want to go back to your place, would you? It's tacky, and you'd probably just end up with a drink to the face and a bruised ego.

It's the same thing with affiliate marketing. Take your time and let them get to know you. Presell by telling them what they need to know to get the results they want, and if you do it well, when you do eventually recommend a product that will solve their problem....guess what, some of them will buy it.

Another thing is to make sure that you are pre-qualifying your prospects properly and not just sending random traffic to your page. If the right people land on your page and see your offer, your conversions will be much higher.

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LesterRussell

9 years ago

People don't get sales for one simple reason, your customers don't trust you enough with their money. You are clearly just targeting the potential money that can be earned from each customer, rather than actually thinking about how you can provide a solution to their problem and monetize from it.

Affiliate marketing is all about trust building, why would your subscribers buy from someone that just wants to push for a sale. Its like how conversion rates are really low on spam sites. Thinking that filling up a page with many ads or products to give variety will only drive the customer away from you.

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EPoltrack77

9 years ago

It's all about researching, creating, testing and optimizing looking to get that good 30% plus return. Heck 70%

Start off with one thing a time. Your getting your subscribers to sign up for their ebook so from the thank you page don't redirect them to the affiliate offer.

This alone can be a number of factors on why you aren't making any front end sales. Best approach and works wonders in to create your free offer around your product. Give some teasers so to speak and say "I'm in the process of sending you your information you requested to the email you used. It can take a few minutes to arrive. If you don't see it in about 15 minutes then please be sure to check your spam filter especially if your using a free email service."

Then I might say something like "while you are waiting I would like to share with you...." and this is where you go into the more advance paid version of the free offer they just signed up for. Some will buy, some won't. You'd like to hit 20% plus of the people who sign up to purchase the full copy. Now you have something to work on.

Again it's all about testing taking and using different approaches.

You might want to try sending their information they signed up for to their email and leave it at that. Track how many people are actually clicking the download link and pay attention to what traffic source works best so you can optimize that as well.

What ever you do don't run to some other training or offer. If what you have has a huge demand and their is tons of competition then your good to go!

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karmadog 9 years ago

So it's all about how I setup my autoresponder sequence? Would it be a wise decision if I paid someone to write one up for me?

I'm not all that good at writing.
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michaelswengel

9 years ago

I love the Portal reference. Haha.

As others have said, learn to respect your subscribers. They are real people, not cash cows.

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Rickeydt

9 years ago

Re-evaluate your offer and make sure it is high converting. Redirect to the offer instantly but make sure the first email is instant and it delivers the value you promised...

Get on other people you people list who you admire and that has helped you in the past and see how they structure there follow up and model that...

You can even use a rotator/tracking link in the follow up emails and also for the O.T.O to see which ones are converting best.

So test, which not difficult to do... but make sure you focus on delivering valuable useful content.

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karmadog

9 years ago

This is the way i've got it set up now:

I've got the squeeze page, when they opt in, they go to a refresh redirect or whatever you call it which says on the screen for 3 seconds "you're ebook has been mailed to you" then underneath says connecting....

it goes to a wordpress url which was created by a WP plugin which rotates CB offers for testing which one converts best. If they want their ebook, they just go straight to their email and click on the link to directly download it. I've also got a link underneath that telling them if they don't have a pdf reader they can read it online, then i give them the link.

Does this sound good? I drove some traffic and got about 40 opt ins, the offers which got the most interest were the venus factor and old school new body, they got order form impressions but no sales yet.

In the autoresponder sequence, i've got pre written soft sale messages from the cb product vendors written by professionals, each message gives them mostly value, but it subtly includes an affiliate url in there.

Anyway, does this sound like a good set up?

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SherimanAF

9 years ago

Hi,

This seems like a good setup.

Just make sure that the price of first offer after opt-in is low, like less than $10.

This first offer is just to separate the buyers and non-buyers, and to cover you advertising costs. Just to break-even.

This is important. As long as you can cover your advertising cost, you can keep on going.

Remember, the real money is in the backend - the follow-up sequence.

Do not give up. Know what you want and make the necessary adjustment to get there.

All the best to you and take care.

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Originally Posted by karmadog

This is the way i've got it set up now:

I've got the squeeze page, when they opt in, they go to a refresh redirect or whatever you call it which says on the screen for 3 seconds "you're ebook has been mailed to you" then underneath says connecting....

it goes to a wordpress url which was created by a WP plugin which rotates CB offers for testing which one converts best. If they want their ebook, they just go straight to their email and click on the link to directly download it. I've also got a link underneath that telling them if they don't have a pdf reader they can read it online, then i give them the link.

Does this sound good? I drove some traffic and got about 40 opt ins, the offers which got the most interest were the venus factor and old school new body, they got order form impressions but no sales yet.

In the autoresponder sequence, i've got pre written soft sale messages from the cb product vendors written by professionals, each message gives them mostly value, but it subtly includes an affiliate url in there.

Anyway, does this sound like a good set up?

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DSpyk

9 years ago

After you have them sign up have your next email tell them you will be having a 3 day training pertaining to what they signed up for.

Have 3 short pre-made videos that will train them and at the end of the last training is where you would have the link to buy.
This works for me and I'm sure it can for you!

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