Profit from Kindle?

by citizenjerry 72 replies
Another offer dropped into my email from someone claiming to make tens of thousands a month just from Kindle books. He does it by hiring a whole buttload of outside writers cheap on Fiverr, then flooding the zone with huge numbers of books. He thinks romance and cookbooks are the bestsellers. Problem is, many of them may not be in your niche. While they make money, they’re worthless for promoting on your business blog and other pages.


That got me thinking. Is it possible to generate a full-time income just with Kindle books? Even just two or three thousand a month would be good. I just don’ know if they’d be that profitable, although I’d like to think so.
Any ideas or recommendations?


Thanks in advance.
#main internet marketing discussion forum #kindle #profit
Avatar of Unregistered
  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    The method of promotion you described is quite common amongst kindle gurus. The idea is that if you have 300 books and you sell one of each a day then you can make £30,000 a year. Keep scaling it up and you make more and more money.

    With this amount of books it ultimately leads to short outsourced books. You then end up flooding the market with low quality and sometimes dangerous products.

    Amazon seems to not like these books either and they have clamping down on spamphlets and a kindle slap is surely just around the corner.

    My other objection is that it is based on the field of dreams principle. Write it and they will come.

    My experience as an author (and from teaching other authors) is that to make money from selling your book on kindle you need a tight, well executed marketing plan - something very few people talk about.

    In fact from my experience a lot of authors are badly advised when it comes to kindle promotion.

    If you plan on writing a book in your niche you need decide what the purpose of the book is. Some reasons could be:
    • Create Authority
    • Lead Generation
    • Profit from book
    This will dictate how you write the book and then how you market it.

    Most of my clients make money on the back end and use their books as a combination of authority building and lead generation. Despite this they still charge for the book but that is just bonus money.

    If you are looking to make money from the book alone then you need to put together a book launch and drive awareness of your book. In this model you will make the majority of your money at an early stage and then sales will drop off and your book will find its level following this. To keep driving sales you will most likely have to keep marketing the book. Some books however are of such a good quality that they sell a number a day regardless of promotion.

    This is the same in fiction as well.

    There are things you should do like building a list so that you can get extra sales from your list when you release an audio version of the book.

    In summary yes you can make money from kindle (sometimes lots of it) no it’s not easy and yes it is work.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10230678].message }}
    Signature
    I've got 99 problems but a niche ain't one
    • Profile picture of the author russelleaton
      Yes, making it with Kindle is not as easy as it sounds.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10230751].message }}
      Signature

      The only way to lose weight: www.TheLipoDiet.com

    • Profile picture of the author uakinci
      [DELETED]
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10261086].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author hannahlist
    You can use Kindle as a lead generator using their KDP program

    KDP lets authors offer their books for free for 5 days every 90 days.

    How do you generate leads doing this?

    Simple.

    Hire a high quality but AFFORDABLE writer from the Philippines or Asia to crank out 72 50 page books.

    Put a link to your Squeeze page at the TOP of the first page of every book

    Make sure the book is EASY to read and ADDS VALUE to people's lives.

    Use the KDP system to have a FREE book up on your niche EVERY SINGLE DAY of the year?

    How 73 x 5 = 365 day coverage

    You'll be MILKING Amazon for FREE niche-targeted traffic

    Total cost is VERY LOW even if you factor in writing and ebook cover costs.

    The SECRET is to find an AMERICAN writer who is based in the Philippines or Asia who grew up in the US and graduated from a US school.

    That way you find someone who will work for an AFFORDABLE rate while cranking out HIGH QUALITY text.

    Keep tweaking your email broadcasts so you make MORE MONEY with each email broadcast

    Also, you can sell SOLO ADS at $500 a pop if you're in an awesome niche like Weight Loss or Fitness.

    VERY IMPORTANT: Don't publish SCAMLETTES ie., books shorter than 50 pages.

    Also, don't USE PLR. People in your niche would have SEEN such garbage before and people won't trust your books.

    Use original materials.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10230686].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author Bigpanda
      I have a few books on Amazon and each earn me around 3k to 4k per month. I'm not positive about the whole spamming Amazon with hundreds of short books working, as I've never attempted it. But I know that dark fantasy and epic fantasy sell good.

      I'm an avid believer in delivering high quality material and write my own novels. Also, you have to have a solid marketing plan, its not simple. I use mailing list and traffic campaigns all of the time to keep my books ranking.

      -BigPanda
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10230703].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author onguard74
        Originally Posted by Bigpanda View Post

        I have a few books on Amazon and each earn me around 3k to 4k per month. I'm not positive about the whole spamming Amazon with hundreds of short books working, as I've never attempted it. But I know that dark fantasy and epic fantasy sell good.

        I'm an avid believer in delivering high quality material and write my own novels. Also, you have to have a solid marketing plan, its not simple. I use mailing list and traffic campaigns all of the time to keep my books ranking.

        -BigPanda
        You mentioned you write in the dark fantasy niche, which I also write in myself. I'm about to release the third book in my series. I don't make anywhere near 3-4 K a month. I was just wondering what kind of methods you use to market your books. I have a growing email list, advanced reviewer team which is building, and I also plan to use FB ads as well. I'd be grateful if you could give me some advice on this side of things, especially anything that relates specifically to the dark fantasy niche.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234652].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author femdom
          Hi, interesting read.

          I am planing to write a book and I am reading before I start. That would be my first book and I want to be good. I am not in hurry.

          I am adult webmaster for 12 years or so and I live from making and promoting adult sites. I want to make a book about it. Problem is that from what I see, it will be very long book because there are tons of things that should be described. Maybe solution would be to split it and to make several different books?
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234780].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author dbsmitty
        Originally Posted by Bigpanda View Post

        I have a few books on Amazon and each earn me around 3k to 4k per month. I'm not positive about the whole spamming Amazon with hundreds of short books working, as I've never attempted it. But I know that dark fantasy and epic fantasy sell good.

        I'm an avid believer in delivering high quality material and write my own novels. Also, you have to have a solid marketing plan, its not simple. I use mailing list and traffic campaigns all of the time to keep my books ranking.

        -BigPanda
        I wholeheartedly agree with BigPanda on this...

        I'm actually working on a couple of projects for Kindle. One is humor - in case you ever want to look for it, it's called "The Illuminati Stold My Lunch". Sort of makes fun of all of the Illuminati conspiracy theory stuff so popular on YouTube. I write it from the perspective of such a conspiracy theorist. Hope nobody thinks I'm being serious - LOL.

        But fiction is big in Kindle. If you look at their best-selling stuff, it's fiction. Which means that you either have to be able to write fiction or outsource to someone who can. And yes, assuming you're doing the writing, it pays to do good work.

        Especially if you use the one approach that I know for a fact has made some authorpreneurs some very big money - series' of fiction books. The first one is priced low and subsequent books you can charge more for. Assuming you got some people hooked with the first one.

        You know, I used to be a programmer so I appreciate the whole thing about automation. But on the other hand, a lot of people who are looking to make money online are looking for easy methods that sacrifice quality. And that, imo, ends up giving us all a bad rap. And effects us negatively in other respects as well.

        Does anyone here remember bum marketing? I blame bum marketing for being, not completely, but largely responsible for the fact that article marketing ceased being as effective as it once was. Bum marketing (at least the report on it that I read) actually taught that you need to just crank out articles as rapidly as possible and don't even worry about if they're any good - if if they even make any sense. After all - it's all about backlinks.

        That bad advice screwed us all. And I'm sure it wasn't just people who had read about bum marketing who did this (which is why I say it wasn't solely responsible). But I know it got to the point where it became difficult to go on the article sites and find any decently written material at all. Consequently, backlinks from these sites were immensely devalued.

        I believe in "work smarter not harder". I'm good with using automated systems when they make a job easier without compromising quality. But when you get people selling these programs (like bum marketing) teaching the easiest way to make a buck fast, and who cares about value as long as you're profiting? They hurt everyone.

        Something else to bear in mind about outsourcing fiction on Fiverr - one thing is that most of them count 500 words as a gig. Which means that if you want a full on fiction it's gonna cost you more than the $5. Actually it's $5.50 now because Fiverr just started doing this processing fee thing.

        Another "gotcha" is finding the good ones. I won't go into that here because that's a whole other topic in itself. But there are a lot of fakers out there. I paid forty bucks for a pre-written book that is so full of grammar errors and typos that I might as well have just written a book from scratch for the work its gonna take for me to get that thing to my standards (which I admit are high). When I said something to the seller he said, "Let's stay positive. No one writes a perfect book." Needless to say I will not be making anymore purchases from him.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10250811].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author SpectreWriter
      There are high-quality writers right here in the States. Stop trying to take advantage of us by paying us low wages, and stop pushing for the Asian market. Some of your advice may be sound, but you come off as an opportunistic jerk.

      Originally Posted by hannahlist View Post

      You can use Kindle as a lead generator using their KDP program

      KDP lets authors offer their books for free for 5 days every 90 days.

      How do you generate leads doing this?

      Simple.

      Hire a high quality but AFFORDABLE writer from the Philippines or Asia to crank out 72 50 page books.

      Put a link to your Squeeze page at the TOP of the first page of every book

      Make sure the book is EASY to read and ADDS VALUE to people's lives.

      Use the KDP system to have a FREE book up on your niche EVERY SINGLE DAY of the year?

      How 73 x 5 = 365 day coverage

      You'll be MILKING Amazon for FREE niche-targeted traffic

      Total cost is VERY LOW even if you factor in writing and ebook cover costs.

      The SECRET is to find an AMERICAN writer who is based in the Philippines or Asia who grew up in the US and graduated from a US school.

      That way you find someone who will work for an AFFORDABLE rate while cranking out HIGH QUALITY text.

      Keep tweaking your email broadcasts so you make MORE MONEY with each email broadcast

      Also, you can sell SOLO ADS at $500 a pop if you're in an awesome niche like Weight Loss or Fitness.

      VERY IMPORTANT: Don't publish SCAMLETTES ie., books shorter than 50 pages.

      Also, don't USE PLR. People in your niche would have SEEN such garbage before and people won't trust your books.

      Use original materials.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234235].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author research
      Originally Posted by hannahlist View Post

      You can use Kindle as a lead generator using their KDP program

      KDP lets authors offer their books for free for 5 days every 90 days.

      How do you generate leads doing this?

      Simple.

      Hire a high quality but AFFORDABLE writer from the Philippines or Asia to crank out 72 50 page books.

      Put a link to your Squeeze page at the TOP of the first page of every book

      Make sure the book is EASY to read and ADDS VALUE to people's lives.

      Use the KDP system to have a FREE book up on your niche EVERY SINGLE DAY of the year?

      How 73 x 5 = 365 day coverage

      You'll be MILKING Amazon for FREE niche-targeted traffic

      Total cost is VERY LOW even if you factor in writing and ebook cover costs.

      The SECRET is to find an AMERICAN writer who is based in the Philippines or Asia who grew up in the US and graduated from a US school.

      That way you find someone who will work for an AFFORDABLE rate while cranking out HIGH QUALITY text.

      Keep tweaking your email broadcasts so you make MORE MONEY with each email broadcast

      Also, you can sell SOLO ADS at $500 a pop if you're in an awesome niche like Weight Loss or Fitness.

      VERY IMPORTANT: Don't publish SCAMLETTES ie., books shorter than 50 pages.

      Also, don't USE PLR. People in your niche would have SEEN such garbage before and people won't trust your books.

      Use original materials.
      " VERY IMPORTANT: Don't publish SCAMLETTES ie., books shorter than 50 pages "

      How do you determine a book shorter than 50 pages is a a "SCAMLETTE" So anything with 49 pages or less is not acceptable . . . but anything with 50+ pages is OK to go.

      This is very curious.

      If this is what Amazon wants then they have a bundle of stuff to erase in their Kindle store.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10235335].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by research View Post

        " VERY IMPORTANT: Don't publish SCAMLETTES ie., books shorter than 50 pages "

        How do you determine a book shorter than 50 pages is a a "SCAMLETTE" So anything with 49 pages or less is not acceptable . . . but anything with 50+ pages is OK to go.

        This is very curious.

        If this is what Amazon wants then they have a bundle of stuff to erase in their Kindle store.

        Don't believe everything you read.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10235424].message }}
        Signature
        Bill Platt, Oklahoma USA, PlattPublishing.com
        Publish Coloring Books for Profit (WSOTD 7-30-2015)
    • Profile picture of the author Christopher Fox
      Originally Posted by hannahlist View Post

      VERY IMPORTANT: Don't publish SCAMLETTES ie., books shorter than 50 pages.
      No scamlettes? Then why suggest this:

      Hire a high quality but AFFORDABLE writer from the Philippines or Asia to crank out 72 50 page books.
      I like quadagon's term: Spamphlets.

      Ya know, 50 pages is NOT a book. 51 pages ain't a book, either. IMO, of course. But, in the IM world, anything you compile as a pdf or publish to Kindle is 'automatically' a book. Not, lol.

      I've seen pdfs that are 10 pages, or less, typed being called books, like it is the same thing as the 200+ page top selling actual book. I hate to quote any politician of any persuasions, but since it is not an original phrase to her:

      You can put lipstick on a pig, but it still ain't nothing more than a damn pig.

      You can call all of these things a book, simply because you pdf'ed it or Kindled it, but that doesn't make it a book. And if it ain't a book, well, what is it then?

      'AFFORDABLE' has me laughing, too. Here, affordable means paying about $0.25/hour and buying an, umm, 51 page book for $20, lol. What a joke. Good for Filipinos and Asians (I do like the notion of a rising tide raising all boats and do not have a problem with over seas outsourcing, in general), but what a joke that 'authorship' is turned into by many IMers.

      What I quoted is EXACTLY the kind of stuff that Amazon does not want to see happen, and if there are enough people using these tactics, Amazon will eventually take measures to clean it up. Again, my opinion ...

      EDIT: quoting wrtieaway above:

      Considering the recent KU changes, the old VOLUME tricks no longer work.

      Perhaps some measures have already been taken to deal with the proliferation of 51 page spamphelets?

      And yes, those of us that consider ourselves to have actual writing talent and skill are annoyed by such flippant use of terms like 'book' for no reason other than purity and respect for the Craft that IMers try to turn into dollar signs with no regard to said Craft ...
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10405315].message }}
      Signature
      One man alone can be pretty dumb sometimes, but for real bona fide stupidity, there ain't nothing can beat teamwork.

      - Seldom Seen Smith
  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    Out of interest hannahlist have you tried this?

    I'd be interested to here as i have some very convincing data against doing all of that.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10230701].message }}
    Signature
    I've got 99 problems but a niche ain't one
  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    HOMEWORK? Homework, listen I make six figures from my own kindle books each year (most of it passive). I also work with real authors to promote books which have been listed in the Times best seller list (UK) and NY Times best seller list. People actually pay me five figures to promote their book. I should qualify that these are real books and not IM books - where there is a different definition of 'quality' and 'value'.

    I've spent money and time split testing on kindle and i can tell you one of the last things on earth i would ever do is release 72 books at a whopping 50 pages (which i assume includes cover and filler).

    I respect my readers.

    The op should be aware that getting sign ups to a list from kindle is hard. I know people with 50,000 downloads that got under 150 sign ups and these are big players in the 'IM' field.

    If you want to get higher quality sign ups you should charge for your book.

    Downloads are vanity - profit is sanity.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10230788].message }}
    Signature
    I've got 99 problems but a niche ain't one
    • Profile picture of the author nofh
      I make a reasonable amount of profit from kindle books. I write my own books (romance, health, beauty and fitness niche) and I have a solid marketing plan behind it. I believe in slow, constant and steady. Not interested in making millions within 5 days of publishing.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234072].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author Fortune_Hunter
        For those of you that said you write your own high quality stuff and put a solid marketing plan behind it. Do you have any recommendations of books that discuss how to build the solid marketing plans you are referring to?
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234094].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author tpw
          Originally Posted by Fortune_Hunter View Post

          For those of you that said you write your own high quality stuff and put a solid marketing plan behind it. Do you have any recommendations of books that discuss how to build the solid marketing plans you are referring to?

          I have created two products that help people understand the book marketing process...

          1. Book Marketing Master Plan -- This guide covers what you should do if you would like to emulate the major publishing houses in their marketing. What makes the training good is that you can pick and choose from the different pieces described to construct your marketing plan taking into account your personal strengths and weaknesses.

          2. Easy Social Book Promotion -- This guide goes into a lot of detail about how you can use social media to promote your books. Much of the product is dedicated to using FaceBook to promote your books, optionally also using an author blog. However, once you understand the principles behind social media marketing, the same techniques can be applied to any social media platform.


          Both are good products with great reviews, but they cover the question of how to market your books from different angles.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234115].message }}
          Signature
          Bill Platt, Oklahoma USA, PlattPublishing.com
          Publish Coloring Books for Profit (WSOTD 7-30-2015)
      • Profile picture of the author roderick
        If you put the work in and work smart you can make alot of money from kindle.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234099].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    So, shorter books and a lot of them is not a good idea ? I read in a wso not too long ago by some well known marketers that this is what they are doing and it is working. However, I do understand you want to provide value for readers and more pages helps. Not sure if amazon will be weeding out short books in the future or not - good question.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10233987].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author quadagon
      Originally Posted by keblack View Post

      So, shorter books and a lot of them is not a good idea ? I read in a wso not too long ago by some well known marketers that this is what they are doing and it is working. However, I do understand you want to provide value for readers and more pages helps. Not sure if amazon will be weeding out short books in the future or not - good question.
      Hi Ken

      I personally think you the Amazon slap will be about 18 months away. They are aware of the books that are flooding the markets and the techniques used to make them.

      They are in a tough situation where they earn money from these books but it doesn't provide a good customer experience. You tube had a similar issue.

      If I was to produce short books I'd look to build a brand out of them. Model the dummies series but on a micro level. Something like '.....in a thousand words'

      Make the fact that the book is short your USP and be proud of it. Just please please please make sure they are quality books and real quality not Internet Marketing 'quality'.

      Away from short books if you spend the time to promote a real book you can keep earning from it for years. Look at Cialdini his book influence was published in the 80's.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234042].message }}
      Signature
      I've got 99 problems but a niche ain't one
      • Profile picture of the author tpw
        Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

        Hi Ken

        I personally think you the Amazon slap will be about 18 months away. They are aware of the books that are flooding the markets and the techniques used to make them.

        They are in a tough situation where they earn money from these books but it doesn't provide a good customer experience. You tube had a similar issue.

        If I was to produce short books I'd look to build a brand out of them. Model the dummies series but on a micro level. Something like '.....in a thousand words'

        Make the fact that the book is short your USP and be proud of it. Just please please please make sure they are quality books and real quality not Internet Marketing 'quality'.

        Away from short books if you spend the time to promote a real book you can keep earning from it for years. Look at Cialdini his book influence was published in the 80's.

        I'd avoid the "thousand words", but I otherwise agree with everything you said... Especially the part about building a brand.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234064].message }}
        Signature
        Bill Platt, Oklahoma USA, PlattPublishing.com
        Publish Coloring Books for Profit (WSOTD 7-30-2015)
      • Profile picture of the author aleon1225
        Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

        Hi Ken

        I personally think you the Amazon slap will be about 18 months away. They are aware of the books that are flooding the markets and the techniques used to make them.

        They are in a tough situation where they earn money from these books but it doesn't provide a good customer experience. You tube had a similar issue.

        If I was to produce short books I'd look to build a brand out of them. Model the dummies series but on a micro level. Something like '.....in a thousand words'

        Make the fact that the book is short your USP and be proud of it. Just please please please make sure they are quality books and real quality not Internet Marketing 'quality'.

        Away from short books if you spend the time to promote a real book you can keep earning from it for years. Look at Cialdini his book influence was published in the 80's.
        I don't think there will be a slap. Bad books rank poorly, good books rank well. If you have good content you will have good reviews and sales. Quality not quantity, some people don't need a 300 page book when they are looking for something specific. They have a problem and want some ideas and they want them fast without taking days to find out and probably spending more money for information they did not need. Just my opinion I am new to this forum.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10287306].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author sharpturn
    Yep....there is money to be made but it is far from just creating simple content and publishing tons of books. Those days are over.
    Zon has already chucked a spanner in the works recently by changing their payouts in KU. Not so easy to make big money with short books or crappy books.
    Gotta work.....gotta work hard!!!!

    Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but if you are not prepared to work at creating quality content and put some tough hours into this then you ain't gonna get far. This ain't "build it and they will come" hour!!
    It is a real business and requires dedication and lots of it.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10233997].message }}
    Signature

    FREE NEWBIE COURSE - Earn 4-5 Figures A Month From Your Home!
    PROFITS FROM PUBLISHING

  • Profile picture of the author tpw
    There are lots of people making a lot of money with Kindle books.

    Most of those who are have a few things in common:

    * Full-length books;
    * Most write fiction;
    * All make sure their products are good quality;
    * They respect their readers and give them good value for their money;
    * They all build mailing lists or FB pages, but like others have said, list building is a slow, long haul strategy;
    * They listen to their readers and take negative comments as a tool to help them create a better book;
    * They are committed to giving their readers what their readers want;
    * And believe it or not, most successful authors buy advertising outside of Amazon to jump start their sales. The reason being is that Amazon won't promote your books, until they first see that your book is selling well.


    Ghost writers are fine, but you have to hire people who can deliver a good product.

    Cheap, lazy books deserve to be in the trash bin, and most of them will get there without much help. A few customer reviews will pretty much ensure that outcome.

    The people I personally know who are making the most from Kindle books are writing a sub-genre of romance or mystery.

    My most successful friend who is writing books for Amazon is pulling half a million per year -- 45k per month. She releases one new novel per month, and she has done so for more than two years.

    I know other people in the $20k per month, $10k per month, and $5k per month range.

    There is clearly an opportunity there, provided you are willing to give buyers a good product.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234029].message }}
    Signature
    Bill Platt, Oklahoma USA, PlattPublishing.com
    Publish Coloring Books for Profit (WSOTD 7-30-2015)
    • Profile picture of the author TinkBD
      The Kindle landscape has changed from when the OP was asked. But, interestingly, what Bill wrote (quoted below) is still true for fiction.

      There are more and more sub-sub-sub-genres appearing that don't exist in traditional publishing, with authors making life changing money, often while running well under the best-selling radar...

      It does take work (whether hiring writers or writing your own) and strategic thinking, but fiction has a major advantage over non-fiction. It's entertainment... People buy it because they like it, not because they are looking for the solution to a problem ;-)

      About the only point he missed is that it works best to write in series, rather than stand-alone books.


      Originally Posted by tpw View Post

      There are lots of people making a lot of money with Kindle books.

      Most of those who are have a few things in common:

      * Full-length books;
      * Most write fiction;
      * All make sure their products are good quality;
      * They respect their readers and give them good value for their money;
      * They all build mailing lists or FB pages, but like others have said, list building is a slow, long haul strategy;
      * They listen to their readers and take negative comments as a tool to help them create a better book;
      * They are committed to giving their readers what their readers want;
      * And believe it or not, most successful authors buy advertising outside of Amazon to jump start their sales. The reason being is that Amazon won't promote your books, until they first see that your book is selling well.


      Ghost writers are fine, but you have to hire people who can deliver a good product.

      Cheap, lazy books deserve to be in the trash bin, and most of them will get there without much help. A few customer reviews will pretty much ensure that outcome.

      The people I personally know who are making the most from Kindle books are writing a sub-genre of romance or mystery.

      My most successful friend who is writing books for Amazon is pulling half a million per year -- 45k per month. She releases one new novel per month, and she has done so for more than two years.

      I know other people in the $20k per month, $10k per month, and $5k per month range.

      There is clearly an opportunity there, provided you are willing to give buyers a good product.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10618357].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    I'll post a breakdown of what I teach later tonight when I'm back at my desktop.

    Essentially though I base my marketing around the concept of 'similar others'. It's a simple but powerful concept that opens up a lot of possibilities for promotion.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234106].message }}
    Signature
    I've got 99 problems but a niche ain't one
    • Profile picture of the author vitaali
      Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

      I'll post a breakdown of what I teach later tonight when I'm back at my desktop.

      Essentially though I base my marketing around the concept of 'similar others'. It's a simple but powerful concept that opens up a lot of possibilities for promotion.

      quadagon, can you explain your book marketing concept of 'similar others'? I'm interested.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10347811].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author freeabs
        Just contributing to an old but relevant thread. I published a Kindle book in 2012. I published it WITHOUT having any specific knowledge of what Kindle is, how to market it etc... It was a short and specific sub niche in the health category. I forgot all about it and in 2014 I was surprised to receive a check for $100 for this one book. So I checked my stats in my dashboard ( which I never touch since publishing this book ) and saw that there were consistently sales every month. I only priced my book at $0.99 and since my country does not have a tax treaty with the U.S., my royalty was retained at 30% but I still made $50 a year. A lot of money? Heck no! But here are the facts...

        1) I published it without any specific knowledge about Kindle, how to market, how to get reviews, how to format etc... but I still did it anyway and it sells

        2) Was it copied, plagiarized, PLR etc? No it was written from scratch and original. Did some research in forums, websites and got the framework for it.

        3) Was it a long book? No it was only 5000 words including the copyright and disclaimer notices.

        3) Did I extensively market it? ZERO. Don't know how to do it at that time. Never did it now.

        4) Is the book still selling today? Yes it does and I expect another check in 2016 shortly.

        5) Did I get slapped by KDP in any way because my book was too short or it was not good? I don't think so cos the book is still there and selling.

        So here's my unqualified opinion ( I just published one book ) To do well in Kindle, you have to put something of value out there that genuinely helps people when they read it. Regardless whether it is a long or short book but it must original, regardless if you write it yourself or your neighbor who wrote it for you.

        Also when you set out to publish in Kindle, ask yourself... Is this going to be a long term affair or a one time fling? Is there work involve? Sure there is, if not it is not a business but a lottery. So am I going to publish more books now? You bet! With the advance training and materials available now, i think I can do better now. Cheers!
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10616010].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        I'm with John except it's more than 35%. I mean, I'm quite happy with $4.95 out of $7. I consider that to be a huge (with 3 u's in the middle, like this: huuuge) margin. Wish I could raise the price to $7,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000. (Yup, I'm a greedy little *******.)

        Other than that, I need to reiterate: if you're to make money with kindle, you need to think of writing as a business and not make the mistake most business owners think: do not think you're in the business of producing kindle books. Instead, accept that you're in the business of marketing kindle books and/or yourself.

        Yes, you need to produce books, but producing books is not a business. It becomes a business only when you can have systems for selling them.

        Did you notice the word systems?

        No matter how you promote your book, you won't make money till you got it to the point that you control how many copies you sell. Till you know, I am going to write a book and it will sell at least x many copies a month for x months.

        Systems means: you know, before you write your book, who buys that kind of book, how much demand there is, what they want, where to find those people so you can put your offer/book in front of them.

        PS I don't make money on kindle as I don't promote my 1 book. I use it for different purposes. All the same, there are people that find it on their own and buy it... Which tickles me pink and gave me the info about $4.95 out of $7.

        My advice for making money with kindle comes from my observations of businesses and books that have sold lots of copies.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10617099].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by ANDREIS View Post

        Well, if you can't write good stuff or you need to pay lots of money to get really good content then the only option is to flood the market with numerous low-quality easily-created books. This can still work but it's becoming harder and harder every month.
        A trend I hope continues for the foreseeable future. Look what happened when "bum marketers" flooded the net with low-quality crap.

        Originally Posted by pgnevets View Post

        Never thought of actually writing books for selling to Kindle readers. It is intriguing, especially if I could hire an affordable writer. Anyone know if you can embed a link in a Kindle book? If you can, that would be the stuff. I don't own a Kindle but I plan on checking this out.
        You can, but you have to use some discretion. If you're thinking about loading up a short "book" with affiliate links, think again. First, if you do, Amazon will likely pull your offering before the reviewers have a chance to trash it with one star ratings and bad reviews. If you do manage to make it public, you'll find a very low tolerance for overt marketing.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10618364].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author MValmont
        A few months ago a lot of people on this forum were talking about the end of Kindle because Amazon wanted to make some change regarding the quality of the kindle books published...


        RESULTS? ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. I saw absolutely zero change in my Kindle income since that change. NOTHING, except my revenues increasing.

        More and more people are making money with Kindle as this is the fastest and easiest way to make money online right now. I just published 5 books this morning....and you bet I will publish more because my revenues are increasing.

        I find it funny how it's always the same people who say that Kindle is not good anymore. Most of the time it's people who just don't know what they are doing to be quite honest.

        I see the same with Amazon FBA, and any other way to make money online. There are a few person who have zero results (most of the time they haven't even tried the method, they have thousands of posts on the forum and are ultimately not taking action), while most people making money with the method are too busy making money to even be on a forum.

        I saw the same trend happening in the stock market when I was a Financial analyst ( A job I quit to do Kindle full time by the way...so yes I think it works), you see a bad headline in the news about the economy, and then you see thousands of people thinking this is the end of the world....smart people buy more stocks because the price is low and they end up richer.

        The same is going on with Kindle right now. People that do it are making money whereas the doomsayers are here spreading negativity and ultimately not making any money.


        Kindle = easiest and fastest way to make money online.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10618546].message }}
        Signature
        Want To Make Money Online? Learn My E-Commerce/Shopify System That Will Teach You Step-By-Step How To Be Successful Online. CLICK HERE.
  • Profile picture of the author rayeni
    Hmm...

    I never considered Kindle books as a source of revenue. I was thinking about creating an Amazon Web Services (AWS) course on Udemy, as the number of offerings is 23, which is extremely low number of competitors on Udemy, yet AWS/cloud computing is a hot skill.

    I am thinking a Kindle book would be a better option and less of a headache, given that Udemy offers $10 coupons for any course, effective cutting a teacher's price by 90+ percent.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234144].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by rayeni View Post

      Hmm...

      I never considered Kindle books as a source of revenue. I was thinking about creating an Amazon Web Services (AWS) course on Udemy, as the number of offerings is 23, which is extremely low number of competitors on Udemy, yet AWS/cloud computing is a hot skill.

      I am thinking a Kindle book would be a better option and less of a headache, given that Udemy offers $10 coupons for any course, effective cutting a teacher's price by 90+ percent.

      I know people who make some money with Udemy, but I think it is a bad investment.

      As you indicated, you can put a healthy price on your product, and Udemy is free to markdown your price to $10 any time they want.

      Additionally, they are really picky on your video presentation quality... Very picky... I know people who had to record the video several times to get the video approved. Pain in the arse.

      They do have some benefits as I recall, such as being able to access your buyer's list, and they let you reach a new set of customers.

      With pro's and con's understood, you have to decide if it will be worthwhile to you to use.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234170].message }}
      Signature
      Bill Platt, Oklahoma USA, PlattPublishing.com
      Publish Coloring Books for Profit (WSOTD 7-30-2015)
      • Profile picture of the author ANonnaMoose
        If you can write fiction, check out the top 100 authors and categories at Amazon Kindle. Get great covers and write great blurbs. Learn much more at the Dirty Discourse Forum (worth every penny of the one-time $10 fee to join).
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234239].message }}
        Signature
        A-Nonna-Moose
        Think loose; write tight.
  • Profile picture of the author Devilsoftware101
    Banned
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234198].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    So, how long is a well written book ? Is it 10k or 20k words or a certain amount of pages? I'm guessing the price is $2.99 or thereabouts ?
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234212].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author tpw
      Originally Posted by keblack View Post

      So, how long is a well written book ? Is it 10k or 20k words or a certain amount of pages? I'm guessing the price is $2.99 or thereabouts ?

      Someone once said about content that the length is similar to the length of a woman's skirt...

      It is short enough to attract attention, but long enough to cover the essentials.

      I think that is a very accurate description.

      Honestly, if you are writing nonfiction, the cost of the book can and will be best represented by the value the customer receives from having their hands on the information.

      If you are writing fiction, a 10-20k word book can be $0.99 or $2.99. A 40k-50k word book can be $2.99 or $9.99. It all really depends on the price people are willing to pay for the book.

      With loads of great reviews and a great book description, $9.99 will often outsell a $2.99 book with a crappy description and few reviews.

      The bottom line is that you should test different prices to see which one is best for your book.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234228].message }}
      Signature
      Bill Platt, Oklahoma USA, PlattPublishing.com
      Publish Coloring Books for Profit (WSOTD 7-30-2015)
  • Profile picture of the author keblack
    You have some interesting products Bill. Just bought one.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234314].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author edlewis
      Grading the quality of a book based on the number of pages is probably the worst way to do it. Just because a book is short, doesn't mean it's a ripoff or a 'scamlette'.

      Are there crappy books on Amazon that are short? Yes.

      But there are also plenty of LONG books on Amazon that are utter garbage.

      Publishing 'lazy' books and reports can still be profitable, even with the KDP Select changes. But you can't publish crap. Just because it's a shorter book or report doesn't mean you should publish garbage or just copy-and-paste from Wikipedia.

      You have to publish high quality content. But that doesn't mean you have to sit and write for months either.

      As hard as this is for the 'page counters' to realize, in today's world, there are readers out there who WANT shorter books that get right to the point - both in fiction and non-fiction.

      There is alot of money to be made on Kindle because of the book-buying ecosystem that Amazon has built and there gigantic audience of buyers with credit cards ready to be charged with one simple click on just about any device.

      Publishing garbage won't get you very far, even though some people are able to profit from it in the short-term. Those earnings were artificially inflated by the KDP Select payouts, and now aren't what they used to be.

      Having said that, it's also important to realize that what constitutes 'good' writing is nothing more than an opinion. E.L.James sold over 100 million books and they're now making movies out of them.

      Harold Robbins sold over 750 million books way before Amazon and/or Kindle even existed...and many considered his work 'trash'.

      Another example is James Patterson, who doesn't actually write every word of his books. He's more like a 'producer' who plots out the book and works in tandem with others to get the book written. And yet he's sold hundreds of millions of books.

      Yeah...there are people out there who think this is 'wrong'. But these same people seem to have no problem with other forms of art - like plays, movies, TV - being written collaboratively. So...why do they feel the same about a book?

      The bottom line is making your customers/readers happy and delivering them with more than what they paid for. When you're selling books for 99 cents...or $1.99...or $2.99, it's not that difficult as long as you put your readers first. Whether you do it in 50 pages...or 500...what's the difference?

      I'd rather read 50 killer pages than 500 pages of crap.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234550].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author quadagon
    I agree with the concept of quality but of we are honest that's not what people are putting out in the main and its not what they are being told to do either.

    I keep hearing the James Patterson analagy and its not a fair comparison. James plots out in minuet detail the plot points of the story. This is then passed to a [I]proven[I] author along with a character guide and style bible.

    This author has already worked on other projects and proven they can write in the Patterson style long before they get work.

    You can't compare that to spending $5 on a writer and saying write me a book about a dragon for chikdren.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234600].message }}
    Signature
    I've got 99 problems but a niche ain't one
    • Profile picture of the author edlewis
      Originally Posted by quadagon View Post

      I agree with the concept of quality but of we are honest that's not what people are putting out in the main and its not what they are being told to do either.

      I keep hearing the James Patterson analagy and its not a fair comparison. James plots out in minuet detail the plot points of the story. This is then passed to a [I]proven[I] author along with a character guide and style bible.

      This author has already worked on other projects and proven they can write in the Patterson style long before they get work.

      You can't compare that to spending $5 on a writer and saying write me a book about a dragon for chikdren.
      I can't control what other people publish. And if they are following BAD advice to publish crap, then they have no one to blame but themselves...no matter what they've been told. If they're not thinking about the customer/reader at the other end of the transaction...they are going to fail no matter what business they are in, whether it's Kindle or something else.

      Patterson has loads of experience in the publishing world, I never claimed someone just starting off could pull off what he does. However, the right person could pull off something similar on a smaller scale by acting as more of a 'producer' and not writing every single word. I know people who are doing this.

      And nowhere did I bring up the idea of "spending $5 on a writer", so please save the straw men for someone else. If this is the nonsense that some people out there are teaching, then shame on them. And while we're at it...shame on anyone who believes that garbage.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10235133].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author deessell
    Yes, there's money in Kindle but the game changed with the new 'page read system'. Shorts are out and long is in. So, effectively everyone has to work harder and write longer but the money and the readers are still there.

    IMHO it's much harder as a noob to break in these days. Not impossible, just harder and it would take a bit longer. I only started making money when I changed from non-fiction into fiction. Then, I started making enough to go full-time. My new business plan is all about keeping the reader turning the page.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234869].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author edlewis
      Originally Posted by deessell View Post

      Yes, there's money in Kindle but the game changed with the new 'page read system'. Shorts are out and long is in. So, effectively everyone has to work harder and write longer but the money and the readers are still there.

      IMHO it's much harder as a noob to break in these days. Not impossible, just harder and it would take a bit longer. I only started making money when I changed from non-fiction into fiction. Then, I started making enough to go full-time. My new business plan is all about keeping the reader turning the page.
      Shorts are only out if you're relying on KDP Select to make royalties from borrows. That model was flawed and inflated for some time, and those who benefited from it should be lucky they were able to profit from it as long as they did.

      If you're selling books...nothing has changed. You still make around $2.10 on every sale of a $2.99 book. Whether it's 10,000 words or 100,000 words. Building a business reliant on people borrowing your books as part of a service they only pay Amazon $10/month for was never a sound strategy.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10235143].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author jamesperez
    Banned
    Yes you can make profits from kindle as well as every time if you want to.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10234991].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author wisehouse
    interesting
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10235467].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Angevil
    I bought an expensive Kindle course from Amazing Machine the same creators of private label. I outsource all my books except for a couple of them. Only one sell well the last year but the others didn't get ANY sell in despite all the marketing efforts (I spent money on softwares, group reviews etc) to the letter. But after Amazon changed to this new system where all people can read whatever they can for a annual fee all fell down. I don't see Kindle a good profit anymore. It's now snowed under of new writers every 5 sec because people think this is still a gold mine. Only #1best sellers are making "some" money but not anymore. I read an interview the other day that a best seller would sell around $2000 a month and now dropped to only $500 a year!! I don't see how these guys above are saying they are selling thousands. Anyway.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10235760].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      What was old became new again.

      In the heyday of the Adsense boom, the object was to create pages that lured searchers and then present them with a page so ugly and useless that they would click an ad just to get off the page. You still see references to MFA sites (meaning, "made for Adsense").

      The concept was resurrected when Amazon started paying for borrows. The object became to create something that would lure borrowers and get them to open the book. Whether there was anything worth reading didn't matter. Just borrowing and opening the book was enough to get paid.

      It had nothing to do with length, except that so-called publishers could create more crap by keeping it short.

      Two things killed the Adsense boom - Google cracking down on content thieves, and decoupling the content network and search network. Now ads that often cost dollars per click on the search network garner only a few pennies on the content network.

      Scamlet Amazon books which once got paid the full bonus now make almost nothing even if someone slogs through the muck to the end.

      Creating crappy sites for Adsense is pretty much dead, and with the recent changes, creating crappy books for borrows on Kindle is headed the same way.

      Good riddance to both of them.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10235806].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author hannahlist
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        ...and with the recent changes, creating crappy books for borrows on Kindle is headed the same way.

        Good riddance to both of them.
        From what I can gather the biggest casualties of the recent Amazon KU changes were erotica books and romance books.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10236703].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author sharpturn
          Originally Posted by hannahlist View Post

          From what I can gather the biggest casualties of the recent Amazon KU changes were erotica books and romance books.
          Childrens book and cookbook creators took a beating too!
          Some authors are still doing well with the new KU changes but they seem to be the ones with a huge back catalog, known branding and a longtime footing in the industry already.

          Not sure how long these new changes are gonna last......I mean...$0.0057 per page read for a 40 page kids book just wont cut it for most.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10236707].message }}
          Signature

          FREE NEWBIE COURSE - Earn 4-5 Figures A Month From Your Home!
          PROFITS FROM PUBLISHING

        • Profile picture of the author Shana Walters
          Originally Posted by hannahlist View Post

          From what I can gather the biggest casualties of the recent Amazon KU changes were erotica books and romance books.
          It's not just the Erotica and Romance genres that were hit, it is all the genres where authors were publishing short books.
          The genre mostly popular for shorter works is the Erotica genre.
          And so the authors who made a killing during the KU 1.0 era are suffering something bad since the switch to KU 2.0 came into play.

          Best Regards,
          Shana Jahsinta Walters.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10404954].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author godinu
    people who publish crap titles are not going to get good sales. As others have said here, those really making a lot are real authors (and some using ghostwriters), and often in a fiction realm or in a specific niche. Just like with releasing a real book, marketing is involved, that's the unfortunate part of the equation. Some fiction authors give away a chapter or so of their books to their email lists each month as a teaser. Over time, they develop a following and do well. On the kindle publishing sites and on their newsletter there are some great stories about people selling quite a bit on kindle. It's not a get rich quick scheme; being a writer is a way to get rich slowly, if at all. (I've been a writer for 20+ years and have won awards from the Associated Press. I've also ghostwritten for people others have heard of -- it's not a big money game unless you are good at marketing yourself.)
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10236393].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author HelpingYouBeAnExpert
    The first Amazon slap hit about a month ago to stop this "crap" going on. There will be more amazon slaps to fix things. Guess who is profiting from the first Amazon slap? It's authors writing fantastic work that is great and not $5 crap. What is wrong with the world trying to make something for nothing with no investment or work? I think that is the evil the devil is selling you people stop buying it. Work is good. Investment is good. Do good work and it will sell on Amazon and it wont get slapped!
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10237402].message }}
    Signature
    soon people... Relax...
    • Profile picture of the author chinadoc
      I am currently working on my sixth book this year and I have found that it is not the writing that is the hard part, but all the extra stuff like editing, proof reading and marketing.
      I really wish that I could find a group of like-minded authors with whom I could work together on the after-writing tasks. Maybe a round robin group of reviewers or a knowledge-base of reliable micro-taskers to help with things like formatting, graphics, PR and other technical stuff. Does a group like that exist?
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10246604].message }}
      • Profile picture of the author keblack
        Hi Chinadoc,

        Try Author Marketing Club - Free Book Marketing Resources & Tools For Authors - premium membership.
        {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10260081].message }}
        • Profile picture of the author Sandra Martinez
          I have some titles in Amazon. Some of them sell, some don't. The ones that sell the most are the shortest ones, but I don't think length is a parameter that matters at all.

          What matters is to understand your audience from the inside out and look for ways to give them both what they want and what they need.

          Yes, you could fake it, maybe, but cracks will start showing sooner or later.

          Self publishing and small publishing companies are a great opportunity for people who have something to say, something to give. It helps to connect the writer with the reader in a way that was never available before since the times of the bards.

          The system will correct itself to clean up the clutter.

          So, to the OP. Is there money to be made? Yes. Will you make it in the long run if you are only in it for the money and have nothing to give? I don't know, but think not.
          {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10260743].message }}
          • Profile picture of the author dmarc
            Originally Posted by Sandra Martinez View Post

            I have some titles in Amazon. Some of them sell, some don't. The ones that sell the most are the shortest ones, but I don't think length is a parameter that matters at all.

            What matters is to understand your audience from the inside out and look for ways to give them both what they want and what they need.

            Yes, you could fake it, maybe, but cracks will start showing sooner or later.

            Self publishing and small publishing companies are a great opportunity for people who have something to say, something to give. It helps to connect the writer with the reader in a way that was never available before since the times of the bards.

            The system will correct itself to clean up the clutter.

            So, to the OP. Is there money to be made? Yes. Will you make it in the long run if you are only in it for the money and have nothing to give? I don't know, but think not.
            Booom....you hit the nail on the head, especially with those two bolded points

            Sure, you can go ahead and spam the market with a bunch of crappy "click-bait" style books. Pumping a bunch of crap into the marketplace could certainly earn you some short term income...but it is definitely not a sound long-term plan.

            Like with all IM, the key to long-term profits and success is providing value...not providing crap.
            {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10261200].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author AuthorityBuilder
    Originally Posted by citizenjerry View Post

    Another offer dropped into my email from someone claiming to make tens of thousands a month just from Kindle books. He does it by hiring a whole buttload of outside writers cheap on Fiverr, then flooding the zone with huge numbers of books. He thinks romance and cookbooks are the bestsellers. Problem is, many of them may not be in your niche. While they make money, they’re worthless for promoting on your business blog and other pages.


    That got me thinking. Is it possible to generate a full-time income just with Kindle books? Even just two or three thousand a month would be good. I just don’ know if they’d be that profitable, although I’d like to think so.
    Any ideas or recommendations?


    Thanks in advance.
    Yes, it is possible to generate $2000 to $3000 a month with Kindle but you have got the spend initially on getting reviews and few thousands downloads to make you Kindle book sell well..
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10246649].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author josh wu
    yes, you can make 5 figure income or even 6 figure income from kindle publish, but it will not be easy and it takes time. and remember you are a marketer not a writer, if you can not write and create content fast enough, try use outsource, majority does it.

    like any business, you need time, money, skill and network plus the 20/80 rule.

    skill: it is suggested that you outsource all the books to ghost writer, but i believe you should still have following skill set, the first one is research what sort of content or niche you want your book on, be detailed to each topic and chapter, second, you must prove reading every book that has been outsourced and have the skill to check spelling and formatting error.

    (a short note): don't think to save money to write the book by yourself, read the 20/80 rule, UNLESS it is your passion and you can write and create content very fast, mean a book within a week, time is money, do the things only you good at.

    time: for kindle publish, not only the book prepare, writing, publish and marketing takes time, also after the book is sold, amazon will only send you the money after 60 days of your sale, so roughly, it is about 90 days turn over.

    money: as the turn over time in kindle is very long to get your first payment, so you shouldn't rely on future profit to supply for your operational cost, thus many people start only with 1 or 2 book, of course if you have a good starting point, you can create as many book as you want, but a golden rule for a business is start small, then test and grow it.

    network: some people refer as authority, in kindle book, it's refer by reviews, if you have lots of network and a strong authority for your niche, then it will not very hard to get some reviews, and more reviews mean more sale.

    marketing: on top of using amazon kindle KDP program to promote your book for 5 days in 90 days term, you should always marketing your book though your exist network contacts, like Facebook, blog and email list, and always ask for the reviews from your customer, consider cross promoting and cross marketing, promote your book via blog and promote your blog site in your kindle book.

    lastly, know your target market, do enough research, choose the right niche, and make strong relationship with your customer, network and provide value adding content will make you some money in kindle.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10246852].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author uakinci
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10261085].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Considering the recent KU changes, the old VOLUME tricks no longer work.

    Volume works if you get paid per download.

    Focus instead on SELLING books.

    Turn your books into internal promotion machines.

    This is just a fancy way of saying that you should structure your book to sell both at the Pre-Sale and Post-Sale stages.

    Building a solid author brand is the key.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10347923].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author jackiedesign
    Yes you can make profit from kindle. If you have a good book you can earn by advertisements from google as well. So it can be a good source of earning money.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10348165].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author dawoodkhan97
    Although I am not a full time earner on Kindle but still earn enough for myself.
    If you have the right book with the right marketing strategy, then YES there is profit on Kindle
    Dawood Khan
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10405212].message }}
    Signature
    Are You Looking For Reliable Red Hot Traffic To Get High Ticket Sales?
    Click Here To Book Your Spot NOW!
  • Profile picture of the author Braznyc
    "Another offer dropped into my email from someone claiming to make tens of thousands a month just from Kindle books."


    Did he write "Harry Potter"?
    Is he David Baldacci? John Grisham?


    People can say whatever they want. It's up to us to be smart and use common sense.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10405533].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author AffiliatePrograms
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10616109].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Jon Crimes
    Only done non-fiction books with Kindle but they've done well, not superstar income but around $1000/month.

    It really helps if you plan your publishing around a series of books (3 in a series seems to work well!).

    Agree that it's good for lead generation.

    One way forward with this is to make an eBook perm free on kindle and you can do this quite easy by publishing it on Draft2Digital as well and then getting in touch with Kindle Direct Publishing and asking for a price match to $0.

    Make sure you have a seperate offer in your book which captures emails!

    Cheers
    Jon
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10616259].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author uce
    Yes, I agree you can make profit from Kindle but it is very hard work, same as everything else. You get what you put in. The problem I found is that if you stop marketing your books sales is dropping considerably, at least that happened to me. And you never know how many books each months you will sell and the margin is very small as Amazon is taking a big %. I have given up on this business model as I find it hard to scale, unless you are happy to employ 10 very good ghostwriters and you do nothing else than pumping out new releases every week and promote, promote, promote, unless you are a very talented writer like James Patterson.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10616875].message }}
    Signature
    Exactly what I am using to easily make sales of up to $1000/day and build a recurring income.
    WATCH FREE Video here: www.Buildingpassiveincome.uk

    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by uce View Post

      Yes, I agree you can make profit from Kindle but it is very hard work, same as everything else. You get what you put in. The problem I found is that if you stop marketing your books sales is dropping considerably, at least that happened to me. And you never know how many books each months you will sell and the margin is very small as Amazon is taking a big %. I have given up on this business model as I find it hard to scale, unless you are happy to employ 10 very good ghostwriters and you do nothing else than pumping out new releases every week and promote, promote, promote, unless you are a very talented writer like James Patterson.
      The margin is very small? Huh?

      As a Kindle publisher (not affiliate), you get a minimum royalty of 35%. Stay in Amazon's preferred price range ($2.99 - $9.99) and you get 70%. That's a lot better deal than you'll get from any 'regular' publishing deal.

      The closest comparison I can come up with right now is selling through affiliates, where you typically have to give away 50% on up to attract any attention.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10616893].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author ANDREIS
    Well, if you can't write good stuff or you need to pay lots of money to get really good content then the only option is to flood the market with numerous low-quality easily-created books. This can still work but it's becoming harder and harder every month.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10617094].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Jon Crimes
    And don't forget it's not that hard to put your book on CreateSpace as well!

    Even if no-one wants to buy your book in the paperback form, just having the higher paperback price above the lower Kindle book price can give some visitors that extra push to buy.

    It's actually suprised now and again how the physical versions of my books sometimes outsell the eBooks!

    Cheers
    Jon
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10617105].message }}
    • Profile picture of the author freeabs
      Originally Posted by Jon Crimes View Post

      And don't forget it's not that hard to put your book on CreateSpace as well!

      Even if no-one wants to buy your book in the paperback form, just having the higher paperback price above the lower Kindle book price can give some visitors that extra push to buy.

      It's actually suprised now and again how the physical versions of my books sometimes outsell the eBooks!

      Cheers
      Jon
      Yes you are right Jon, this is an advance tactic that I can across lately.
      {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10617155].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author Cool Guy
    I think quality over quantity is becoming increasingly important. Kindle readers are becoming savvier and can smell a low quality book from a mile away. They'll also give it terrible ratings as well.

    I'd suggest building a brand. Find a niche and write a series of books. I've heard from many writers, that their largest revenue comes not from selling books individually, but selling a series in a bundle.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10618024].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author seobro
    It use to be possible to make money selling children's books on amazon. Well, those days are over. Sadly, there is a new compensation model now. It pays less than one half of a penny per page. Most book authors on amazon make less than minimum wage. Children's books need top quality artwork and that cost money. Yeah, that is what they require. Good artist charge a lot of green. Like you do not find them on FIVE errors. Still, it was good while it lasted as we say.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10618186].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author pgnevets
    Never thought of actually writing books for selling to Kindle readers. It is intriguing, especially if I could hire an affordable writer. Anyone know if you can embed a link in a Kindle book? If you can, that would be the stuff. I don't own a Kindle but I plan on checking this out.
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10618195].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author hillz1234
    Banned
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10628809].message }}
  • Profile picture of the author YorkieBoy
    [DELETED]
    {{ DiscussionBoard.errors[10996286].message }}

Trending Topics