[WARNING] WSO sellers

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Hello

I was just looking through the WSO section and someone thanked a seller for their wso download from a site. I will not mention the site here.

I went to that site and was able to find all WSO's with a download link. I did not download anything as I am assuming there is malware attached to them.

I also opened a ticket with freelancer giving them the details. Hopefully they will be shut down.

If you are a wso seller and want the site please contact me. I will verify you are selling a WSO and pm you through your wso thread. I will not give the site randomly to anyone who asks

I will be gone from my computer after 1pm eastern time today so any requests for this information will be sent tomorrow

al
#sellers #warning #wso
  • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
    Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

    Hopefully they will be shut down.
    That might be a tough road. The black hat sites don't really care much about DCMA takedown notices.
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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

      That might be a tough road. The black hat sites don't really care much about DCMA takedown notices.
      You don't go after the blackhat site, you go after the fileshare sites that are hosting the stolen content.

      They usually respond to DCMA and copyright takedown notices.

      Then the blackhat links are dead or go to a "content removed for copyright violation" page.
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      • Profile picture of the author John Durham
        Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

        You don't go after the blackhat site, you go after the fileshare sites that are hosting the stolen content.

        They usually respond to DCMA and copyright takedown notices.

        Then the blackhat links are dead or go to a "content removed for copyright violation" page.
        Worth repeating.

        Originally Posted by Alaister View Post

        This is something we're constantly battling with.

        Al - Send me a PM with more details and we'll see what we can do.

        Now that is something new to the WF, refreshing and beautiful to see.... You jumped in here and said that , without being solicited. That is cool. You acknowledged the problem and said you would try to have the back of your WSO sellers. That is a cool thing. Whether you can do anything or not, at least you acknowledge it as a true problem and are being supportive. The old "There is nothing we can do... get over it"... was so seemingly indifferent and apathetic.

        So refreshing.

        Much of the time in the past a members altruism to the forum wasnt so much returned. It was a bit one way.

        Yes it is privileged to be a part of the forum, but its also an honor to the forum that it has members. It seems you are showing that you value them.

        Not so much like "screw you, you are just lucky to be here".

        Whether your efforts succeed or fail Alaister, I respect you for being supportive and acknowledging the issue.

        Kudos!
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  • Profile picture of the author Joan Altz
    There are much more than the one you found, I assure you. I try and track the sites down in case they have any of my client's material on there - there are more than 20 I've found, not even counting the torrent sites. Some of them hide really well and you have to use some infiltrator tactics to find them.

    Some of them run full membership sites, selling every popular WSO, high-end training, plugins, software, etc..,

    And the 20 I'm talking about are major operations, not including the thousands of small "sharing" sites.
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    • Profile picture of the author wpmlm
      Yup, my software has been distributed on these sites... really annoying is that they distribute more of the software than I have EVER sold...

      One site in particular had distributed thousands of copies... The sad part is that my target audience, network and affiliate marketers, should be more honest than that... knowingly stealing my work/getting for free so they can benefit with their team building...

      I just love reading their comments thanking the 'black hatters' for providing my software and how great it is, etc... really cracks me up, thanking some wet behind the ears punk for stealing and distributing my hundreds and hundreds of hours of work for free.

      SCREW - Them!

      In fact SCREW anyone who downloads software or products from black hat sites... and don't tell me you do it to get trials before actually buying the software... BS.

      I'm so tired of people making excuses for stealing... if a product isn't what it is purported as being... get a freaking refund, use legal methods of recourse... don't steal and call it testing... that is just wrong.






      Originally Posted by Joan Altz View Post

      There are much more than the one you found, I assure you. I try and track the sites down in case they have any of my client's material on there - there are more than 20 I've found, not even counting the torrent sites. Some of them hide really well and you have to use some infiltrator tactics to find them.

      Some of them run full membership sites, selling every popular WSO, high-end training, plugins, software, etc..,

      And the 20 I'm talking about are major operations, not including the thousands of small "sharing" sites.
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      • Profile picture of the author ED1190
        Originally Posted by wpmlm View Post

        Yup, my software has been distributed on these sites... really annoying is that they distribute more of the software than I have EVER sold...

        One site in particular had distributed thousands of copies... The sad part is that my target audience, network and affiliate marketers, should be more honest than that... knowingly stealing my work/getting for free so they can benefit with their team building...

        I just love reading their comments thanking the 'black hatters' for providing my software and how great it is, etc... really cracks me up, thanking some wet behind the ears punk for stealing and distributing my hundreds and hundreds of hours of work for free.

        SCREW - Them!

        In fact SCREW anyone who downloads software or products from black hat sites... and don't tell me you do it to get trials before actually buying the software... BS.

        I'm so tired of people making excuses for stealing... if a product isn't what it is purported as being... get a freaking refund, use legal methods of recourse... don't steal and call it testing... that is just wrong.
        I admit, I had downloaded products from blackhat, but immediately felt guilty doing it afterwards, and deleted the products off my computer right away.

        I figured since I'm going into the info product creation field, if I would like people stealing my product, and the answer is an obvious NO!

        The thing is, can anything be done about it really? I've seen people creating member area sites for this reason to put their product into, so only people that bought it can access it.
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      • Profile picture of the author David Beroff
        Originally Posted by wpmlm View Post

        Yup, my software has been distributed on these sites... really annoying is that they distribute more of the software than I have EVER sold...
        Honest question here; not baiting you: How does the software even work if there isn't a valid, purchased license in place? Wouldn't it just shut down?
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        • Profile picture of the author wpmlm
          Black Hatters will NULL your scripts, decode and remove call backs for licensing etc...

          Just look up "XYZ" decoder on google... you can decode most scripts fairly easily... despite what companies providing such protection may tell you.

          They are buggy many times, so the code has to be cleaned up afterwards, then the hatters insert code for marketing or straight up nefarious hack jobs and distribute...

          I really shouldn't call these guys hackers, no true hacker would do what they do... usually having higher ideals, seeking knowledge rather than monetary or negative purposes... or just free software...

          How far has the apple fallen from the tree... they were harmless, pranksters, geeks in search of fun... combat of code, the first viruses were made for fun... to see who could pull off pranks on others or beat another person's network... not to steal money... or crash someones computer, etc.

          I despise these black hatters... what they represent and their methods, I won't even 1337/133t/leet/leetspeak anymore just because of the association...

          4ll j0y 15 l057!





          Originally Posted by David Beroff View Post

          Honest question here; not baiting you: How does the software even work if there isn't a valid, purchased license in place? Wouldn't it just shut down?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kherk Roldan
    Yeah i also noticed that. So bad! all the efforts shared for free
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    • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
      Originally Posted by Kherk Roldan View Post

      Yeah i also noticed that. So bad! all the efforts shared for free
      Not necessarily. I'm willing to bet that the few who do know about the WSO download site represent maybe 10% (or lower?) of the people in that category of niche. Theft happens in every business. It's tough to be flawless these days.
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      • Profile picture of the author professorrosado
        The best replies here (other than Alaister's) is to build into your WSO's the reality of theft distribution - hey, they're distributing your handiwork to thousands! That to me is FREE traffic and targeted audiences.

        As a programmer, I would focus on building solutions that depend on my separate backend in order to function fully (the upsell).

        The hackers can break the system anyway they want, but they're not going to build a backend for the shell (that's your "screw them" moment)!

        PDFs should always be platforms for upselling to dynamite "must have" offers that aren't "easily "stolen" - like the live coaching variety and "secrets" access membership, etc. (Lots of ways to upsell from PDF links.)

        Another idea is to hide a forced login after a certain number of uses or disable functions if no update is had - these need to be after quite a few uses so that the code hackers do not readily discover it before distributing your software turned billboard after it's too late!

        Email traps where users enter their email (cause you never asked them for it before - "yeah") and receive the royal treatment with informational email series (with upsells to enhance the software or WSO even greter!) Squeeze the orange for all it can give you.

        Lots of ways of outsmarting the pirates matey!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kherk Roldan
        Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

        Not necessarily. I'm willing to bet that the few who do know about the WSO download site represent maybe 10% (or lower?) of the people in that category of niche. Theft happens in every business. It's tough to be flawless these days.
        Yeah i guess so,

        I also noticed that! some of their membership site is not secure, meaning they can easily access the download page without login in.
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  • Profile picture of the author T S Chan
    Can't really do anything...

    I found one of my WSO in one of those black hat's sites too...
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  • Profile picture of the author Alaister
    This is something we're constantly battling with.

    Al - Send me a PM with more details and we'll see what we can do.

    Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

    Hello

    I was just looking through the WSO section and someone thanked a seller for their wso download from a site. I will not mention the site here.

    I went to that site and was able to find all WSO's with a download link. I did not download anything as I am assuming there is malware attached to them.

    I also opened a ticket with freelancer giving them the details. Hopefully they will be shut down.

    If you are a wso seller and want the site please contact me. I will verify you are selling a WSO and pm you through your wso thread. I will not give the site randomly to anyone who asks

    I will be gone from my computer after 1pm eastern time today so any requests for this information will be sent tomorrow

    al
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Streby
    I know that nobody (or at least most) won't agree with me but oh well.

    Fact of the matter is, the LARGE majority of people who obtain content through these channels are not your demographic anyway. These are people who would never buy your stuff but they get it for free simply because it's there and available. I'm not justifying piracy at all... I'm not a fan, but I know it well coming from a background in Indie Game Development. I've had my own content pirated and "stolen" in the past and it's annoying but I still managed to see sales regardless because my target audience was still out there making purchases.

    I can't really say much except go ahead and send out those take down notices if you like. But your efforts will be much better spent reaching out to your demographics to catch those sales you intended on. And just a little note, it helps a lot more if you "play it cool" instead of rampaging around like King Kong... doing that will only make those pirates want to mess with you more and see to it your stuff gets shared all over the internet, spreading it like wildfire.
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  • Profile picture of the author usir
    Originally Posted by agmccall View Post

    Hello

    I was just looking through the WSO section and someone thanked a seller for their wso download from a site. I will not mention the site here.

    I went to that site and was able to find all WSO's with a download link. I did not download anything as I am assuming there is malware attached to them.

    I also opened a ticket with freelancer giving them the details. Hopefully they will be shut down.

    If you are a wso seller and want the site please contact me. I will verify you are selling a WSO and pm you through your wso thread. I will not give the site randomly to anyone who asks

    I will be gone from my computer after 1pm eastern time today so any requests for this information will be sent tomorrow

    al
    Nobody can stop these things happening because this is the internet. So, only thing you have to do is to monetizing that bad thing as well. That's calling MARKETING. Example, As somebody has said before, suppose 20 black hat websites are free distributing your WSO....... why don't you offer a killer Upsell????? This is only one idea, there're too much like this........ think as a marketer....
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    • Profile picture of the author irawr
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      I've said this a few times, put affiliate links in your ebooks/products.

      This problem isn't new.

      I used to pickup physical marketing books from the dollar sections of bookstores.

      I have some real gems. Seth Godin is a wizard. I was flipping through my books and found Digial Cash, he basically predicted google wallet and apple pay 20 years ago. I find that really funny

      What I'm trying to say here is, realize your product's lifespan is pretty short. Once the information is "in the wild" you are guaranteed to experience dilution, one way or another. People could just be talking about what the product is and you end up with less sales.

      This is why launches and pre-launching are so important, think about how many people go see a new movie, only to find out it completely sucks.
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  • Profile picture of the author John Durham
    Include something along with your product that cant be downloaded in a pdf, such as a discussion group or something, so that anyone who has your product feels compelled to be a part of that also... but they cant if they stole the PDF. Then they will have missed out on the meat of the product, and will have to buy it if they want that.
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  • Profile picture of the author writeaway
    Sadly, there are many black hat WSO dump sites out there.

    In fact, there's so many of them it's a minor miracle people still buy WSOs.

    It appears you probably only uncovered the more obvious and blatant ones.

    There are lots of forum-based tricks that use WSO collections to trick people into joining BH forums. There are even BH FB groups and other sharing platforms.

    As a product creator, I share your OUTRAGE

    On a related topic:

    One of the most effective ways to market a WSO (that you're promoting as an affiliate) is to create a page with the title 'WSO TITLE" + "free download" / "blackhat" etc etc One of the older tricks out there.

    Of course, you're not giving away the product., you point the 'download link' to the sales page of the product. Basically, you're pimping the traffic.

    The problem with this is people who are looking for free downloads are probably NOT going to convert. Regardless, I figured I'd point out this 'traffic technique' others use because it gives the impression that there are tons of download pages out there for WSOs and JVZOO/CB launches. In reality, the actual REAL download pirate pages are few compared to these FAKE pages. Still, the real pirate sites are numerous enough to warrant concern.

    Most of the big launches have been promoted like this.

    Another common trick is to title a blog post '(PRODUCT NAME) + SCAM / FRAUD / RIPOFF + REVIEW' the review turns out to be a positive piece promoting the product. This also works for Youtube videos.
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  • Profile picture of the author William2010
    I think you are focusing on the wrong side of your business..As long as your product is digital, there will always be ways to have your product shared..but that is just a small part of your business. You should focus on your actual clients, people that spend money to buy your products, and not those that download it for free.Because those they will not do anything anyway with the inf they get..They tend to download tens of products every day and keep them on their hard disk..So focus on your business grow it, focus on your customers.. and stop spending energy on this stuff.. This is a thing that most marketers agree once they get tired of fighting with this... me included
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    • Profile picture of the author writeaway
      Originally Posted by William2010 View Post

      .....Because those they will not do anything anyway with the inf they get..They tend to download tens of products every day and keep them on their hard disk.
      You may be on to something here.

      Leechers have no skin in the game.

      They didn't even 'take action' by buying the product. I know there' s an IM debate out there whether buying is 'taking action' but that point is moot here. By stealing the content, they didn't even take 'action.'

      So... people who download WSOs aren't your customers anyway BUT.....

      You can still turn them into assets

      How?

      Do such a good job IMPRESSING readers of your products that they TALK about your stuff.

      They can become your unwitting promo army

      But as the posted quoted above said so WISELY, FOCUS ON YOUR CUSTOMERS!
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    I had a product out for testing a few years ago and was similar to my Safe security pro I launched back in 2010, but this one had a very sneaky trick that If anyone stated to tamper with it it would in the back ground delete the HD just wished I had launched it the carnage it would have caused the BH groups .
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    • Profile picture of the author Shana Walters
      Sorry to all the WSO sellers.

      Best Regards,
      Shana Jahsinta Walters.
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  • Profile picture of the author godinu
    As others have said, I don't know what we can do to stop it (we can't really.. anything digital is shared whether we like it or not -- ask any musician.) What we can do is include links in the files that lead to key information.. when someone clicks on it they have to enter an email address first. Perhaps offer some upsells on the site. Sure, most of those blackhat downloading people won't buy stuff, but maybe a few would.and you can build an email list.
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