Go Back   WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums > The Warrior Forum > Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forum
Register Blogs FAQ Social Groups CalendarHelp Desk

Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
Old 08-16-2009, 06:03 PM   #1
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Jeremy Kelsall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: , , USA.
Posts: 6,797
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 1,050
Thanked 3,673 Times in 1,257 Posts
Default A deal is a deal or give into the request?

So, I've got a little issue

I was doing some coaching with someone that contacted me privately off of this forum. They asked me to do some private coaching with them and asked me how much it would cost. My reply was just pay me how much you want to make and I'll stick with you until you hit that number.

So, he payed me $3,000 and we hit the number of $3,000 net profit 3 weeks later. So, that's it, right? I thought it was...

Now, he says that 3K is too much to pay for 3 weeks of coaching. I told him that the deal wasn't for a certain amount of time that we agreed the coaching would last until he hit 3K, but he still feels like I should coach him for an unspecified amount of time for whatever reason...

I thought about agreeing to do so for a couple more weeks, with a reduced workload on my part, but am really second guessing that because he was not willing to honor the original agreement that we had. In the end, I could coach him for a couple more weeks and he could again give the same argument...

What say you, warriors?

Jeremy Kelsall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:05 PM   #2
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member
 
john_kennedy's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: Mobile, AL , USA.
Posts: 302
Thanks: 75
Thanked 49 Times in 44 Posts
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile 
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to john_kennedy
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

A deal is a deal. You held up your end of the bargain. Not your fault if the person can't take advantage of what they learned from you.
john_kennedy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:11 PM   #3
Sara is my name!
War Room Member
 
lilgrace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 173
Thanks: 168
Thanked 33 Times in 27 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

I agree...a deal is a deal. PLUS, if you have already showed him how to make $3000 in 3 weeks...he should be able to take it from there and repeat it! I wouldn't do anything else unless he paid me more. People pay more than that for 1 weekend seminars sometimes.

If you say "I can" or "I can't", either way you are right!
lilgrace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:19 PM   #4
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
adamv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA, USA.
Posts: 1,111
Thanks: 165
Thanked 239 Times in 139 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

I agree with the the two guys that posted above. A deal is a deal. You held up your end of the bargain. He should be thanking you not trying to give you a guilt trip.

$3K is not too much to pay for 3 weeks of coaching if you can take someone from zero to $3,000 in 3 weeks.

The deal you gave him sounds like a good one and sounds more than fair to me. In fact I think agreeing to work with someone until they hit a certain dollar amount was very risky for you. You can coach the hell out of someone but they still have to do the work. You're lucky you didn't have to coach this fool for 6 months to hit $3K.

You delivered on your promise. He should be kissing your ass so if he's not happy, that's his damn problem.

Powerful Backlinks - Affordable Prices - We will write, spin and submit articles to the best blog network on the internet while you watch your sites shoot to the top of the rankings.

PLR Article Packs - Keyword Researched Seo Friendly Articles. Limited to 65 copies. Currently available packs "Fat Burning" and "Quit Smoking."
adamv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:20 PM   #5
Suzanne
War Room Member
 
sbucciarel's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: Virginia, USA.
Posts: 10,661
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 1,212
Thanked 4,060 Times in 2,270 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

I am constantly being asked for more than what I sell. It's common no matter what you do online. Deliver a service or product of any kind and there will be those who want more for nothing.

A deal is a deal and I think you gave him an outstanding deal.

sbucciarel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:22 PM   #6
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Jason_V's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: , , USA.
Posts: 1,467
Blog Entries: 5
Thanks: 129
Thanked 207 Times in 78 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Jeremy,

The only problem is that if you just say "A deal is a deal" even though you made him the $3,000 he's going to be offended/hurt/mad. He could run around and bad mouth you and harbor ill feelings for you and just send a whole lot of negative karma your way. I'm not saying this is justified at all. I'm saying, why have someone unsatisfied if there is an easy solution.

You seem like you're willing to bend a little to appease him. I think you should just draw up a contract that says you agree to coach him for the next couple weeks, obviously specifying the exact time. Have him sign it.

That way when your coaching is over, he really can't harbor ill feelings and he can't do this again, because you have the contract. If he does harbor ill feelings, than at least you can sleep at night and know you did everything you could to make it right. You can just chalk it up to some people can't be satisfied.

If it goes the other way, if he's tickled pink that you actually cared enough to keep coaching him, you could have a real champion and supporter of you and your services. He'll run around and tell everyone how great you are. There's nothing like good word of mouth.

That's my $0.01 because I need to save the other $0.01 for a rainy day.

Jason_V is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:26 PM   #7
Content & Copywriting Wiz
War Room Member
 
Steven Wagenheim's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Roselle, NJ, USA
Posts: 16,394
Blog Entries: 11
Thanks: 1,531
Thanked 6,192 Times in 2,288 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

A deal is a deal. You fulfilled your end of the agreement.

If word gets out that you caved, then people who you DID hold firm with
are going to bitch about you giving others special treatment.

For this reason I am very firm on all my offers. No exceptions no matter who
you are or how much you beg.

This way people know that when you say "X" you mean "X".

So far, it's worked very well for me.

Steven Wagenheim is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:27 PM   #8
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
adamv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA, USA.
Posts: 1,111
Thanks: 165
Thanked 239 Times in 139 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Jason,

Some people will have hard feelings as soon as you stop letting them take advantage of you. It's no reason to give in. Some people will never be satisfied and they will continue to walk all over you as long as you let them.

Bitching and crying about getting a "bad deal" is just a pathetic way they try to get someone to keep doing what they want you to do.

For every one person that might go around and bad mouth Jeremy for giving them the shaft, you'll find 100 others thanking him for the help they've received.

Powerful Backlinks - Affordable Prices - We will write, spin and submit articles to the best blog network on the internet while you watch your sites shoot to the top of the rankings.

PLR Article Packs - Keyword Researched Seo Friendly Articles. Limited to 65 copies. Currently available packs "Fat Burning" and "Quit Smoking."
adamv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:33 PM   #9
In Search of Eternity
War Room Member
 
Shana_Adam's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: The Earth is My Home - I love dearly
Posts: 325
Thanks: 8
Thanked 58 Times in 39 Posts
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile 
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to Shana_Adam
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

He should pay you the $3K as not only did you keep your part of the bargain you gave him the fish and taught him how to fish.As a result you are given him value of $100k or more however you work it out.

He could go to one of those seminars be out of pocket $5k and still not make a cent!
or buy every wso and 2 years later still be stuck

I guess he must feel like your making money easily so why take that much off him and you should discount him. However your time is money and even at $50 bucks an hour he would find that it was cheap to hire you.

He is probable thinking in terms of a wso and now doesn't want to pay however he must remember he is not paying for a cheap wso but your time that he hired you for.

So I guess in future have a written gentlemans handshake!

Shana_Adam is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:34 PM   #10
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
DeePower's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: High Desert Arizona hot hot hot
Posts: 1,452
Blog Entries: 21
Thanks: 35
Thanked 285 Times in 98 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

It could be he's just scared of going cold turkey without you and figures the money he's made will evaporate if you're not around to coach him. So maybe answering 1 question a day by email for the next week would give him some confidence to stand on his own two feet.

Phrase it as you're doing him an extra service above and beyond the original coaching deal.

Dee

DeePower is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:39 PM   #11
GarrieWilson.com
War Room Member
 
GarrieWilson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Mount Vernon, IL
Posts: 4,236
Blog Entries: 20
Thanks: 488
Thanked 300 Times in 185 Posts
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

If you bend, you will always be bending for them. Ive found out the hard way...

GarrieWilson is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 06:47 PM   #12
Sara is my name!
War Room Member
 
lilgrace's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 173
Thanks: 168
Thanked 33 Times in 27 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post
Jeremy,

The only problem is that if you just say "A deal is a deal" even though you made him the $3,000 he's going to be offended/hurt/mad. He could run around and bad mouth you and harbor ill feelings for you and just send a whole lot of negative karma your way. I'm not saying this is justified at all. I'm saying, why have someone unsatisfied if there is an easy solution.

You seem like you're willing to bend a little to appease him. I think you should just draw up a contract that says you agree to coach him for the next couple weeks, obviously specifying the exact time. Have him sign it.

That way when your coaching is over, he really can't harbor ill feelings and he can't do this again, because you have the contract. If he does harbor ill feelings, than at least you can sleep at night and know you did everything you could to make it right. You can just chalk it up to some people can't be satisfied.

If it goes the other way, if he's tickled pink that you actually cared enough to keep coaching him, you could have a real champion and supporter of you and your services. He'll run around and tell everyone how great you are. There's nothing like good word of mouth.

That's my $0.01 because I need to save the other $0.01 for a rainy day.

I understand what you are saying. The only thing is that there are some people that are NEVER satisfied. The amount of people out there that want something for nothing far outweighs the people willing to abide by an agreement or pay for information. My husband made an agreement one time to do a job for someone. It was clear what he was going to do and how much he would be paid. He got to the job and the site wasn't ready and the guy wanted my husband to get it ready which was not in the agreement. It took 2 days to get it ready and he was freaking out saying this isn't gonna cost more is it. WHY NOT? 2 days loabor for NOTHING...I don't think so. Jeremy has built an excellent reputation and I don't think he needs to be fearful of this one guy.

If you say "I can" or "I can't", either way you are right!
lilgrace is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:02 PM   #13
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member
 
Liquification's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: Maryland, USA
Posts: 232
Thanks: 11
Thanked 27 Times in 23 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

I agree with most of the opinions above that you should not give anyone special treatment and that a deal is a deal. However an idea I had was that if this guy wants additional coaching then you should charge him a weekly fee of something less substantial than $3000 until he is comfortable on his own but, definitely not for free.

Get your FREE Site Building Report HERE

Money Making Tips at Making Money With Google
Liquification is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:07 PM   #14
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Jeff Henshaw's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: South Wales, UK.
Posts: 1,250
Thanks: 88
Thanked 157 Times in 129 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
It could be he's just scared of going cold turkey without you and figures the money he's made will evaporate if you're not around to coach him. So maybe answering 1 question a day by email for the next week would give him some confidence to stand on his own two feet.

Phrase it as you're doing him an extra service above and beyond the original coaching deal.
I like that Dee. One for the 'swipe file' I think!

Thanks for posting the tip.

Regards,

Jeff Henshaw.

Build and grow your list, by owning your own Private Label Newsletters
Jeff Henshaw is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:08 PM   #15
Zen Redneck
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2002
Location: Erie, PA
Posts: 12,264
Blog Entries: 4
Thanks: 1,076
Thanked 8,842 Times in 2,347 Posts
Social Networking View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Jason,
Quote:
The only problem is that if you just say "A deal is a deal" even though you made him the $3,000 he's going to be offended/hurt/mad. He could run around and bad mouth you and harbor ill feelings for you and just send a whole lot of negative karma your way. I'm not saying this is justified at all. I'm saying, why have someone unsatisfied if there is an easy solution.
This is not someone who's "unsatisfied." This is someone who's trying to pressure a person for more than what was agreed to. There are a LOT of such people out there, and you need to get used to it and learn to deal with them.

It's not limited to small players, either. I had an encounter like this with a pair of clients with combined personal incomes well over the $100 million a year mark.

I've found a simple question that works to eliminate virtually all of the issues: "In what way have I failed to do everything I agreed to, and have I not gone beyond that by [some extra measures]?"

That works as well for the big players as the bit players. Believe it. If they can't answer that privately, they're insane to try and take their argument public.

Garrie nailed it. If you don't draw the line, they'll be back to take advantage of you again, and you'll have set the precedent for others to do the same.


Paul


Get... Paul's Handy Little Guide to the Warrior Forum

Trust me. It will help. And it's free.

Paul Myers is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:13 PM   #16
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Jeremy Kelsall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: , , USA.
Posts: 6,797
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 1,050
Thanked 3,673 Times in 1,257 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Thanks everyone. You guys pretty much confirmed what I was thinking, but I've never really dealt with a situation like this before so needed some reassurance if that makes sense

I just fired off an email to him pretty much telling him that We agreed that I would coach him until he made 3K doing what I showed him how to do and I had fulfilled my end of the agreement. However, I did agree to do a 1 hour call with him in 2 weeks to address any problems that he has run into. Which I honestly feel is something that should have been ut into the original agreement.

Thanks everyone!

Jeremy

Jeremy Kelsall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:14 PM   #17
The Ethical Marketer
War Room Member
 
Michael Oksa's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2006
Location: Wisconsin, USA
Posts: 6,058
Thanks: 1,750
Thanked 3,025 Times in 1,340 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Contact Info
Send a message via Yahoo to Michael Oksa
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

As a coach, which answer will truly help your client the most?

1. Giving in and keeping them dependent on others.

2. Learning that a person's word actually means something.

Just a thought: Continue coaching for 200% of what he wants to make in the next three weeks.

All the best,
Michael

Michael Oksa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:15 PM   #18
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Southern California, USA
Posts: 254
Thanks: 34
Thanked 8 Times in 7 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Jeremy, if your coaching made him $3,000 in 3 weeks I figure it was underpriced. He should think about giving you a tip rather than complaining. Hold to your agreement and move on.

-David
promediasys is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:19 PM   #19
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
adamv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA, USA.
Posts: 1,111
Thanks: 165
Thanked 239 Times in 139 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
Originally Posted by promediasys View Post
Jason, if your coaching made him $3,000 in 3 weeks I figure it was underpriced. He should think about giving you a tip rather than complaining. Hold to your agreement and move on.

-David
It was Jeremy that did the coaching but I agree with you. Zero to $3K in 3 weeks is pretty darn good. There are a lot of other people that would charge that much for one day of coaching to achieve those results.

Powerful Backlinks - Affordable Prices - We will write, spin and submit articles to the best blog network on the internet while you watch your sites shoot to the top of the rankings.

PLR Article Packs - Keyword Researched Seo Friendly Articles. Limited to 65 copies. Currently available packs "Fat Burning" and "Quit Smoking."
adamv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:22 PM   #20
Drunken Greek
War Room Member
 
BIG Mike's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2004
Posts: 9,630
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 1,847
Thanked 3,671 Times in 1,070 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

In any event Jeremy, don't give in to him - this completes the deal, "So, he payed me $3,000 and we hit the number of $3,000 net profit 3 weeks later", so you have no further obligation to him. If he wants additional coaching, then you're certainly entitled to your fee.

Gotta love it when after the fact they fail to see the value in it that they saw in the beginning and demand more.

This is why I prefer not doing business locally in Greece anymore - we've got an expression that translates something like, "When you take on a client, you're getting married to them!"

And believe me...they keep coming back for years expecting a lifetime of free assistance!
BIG Mike is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:25 PM   #21
Active Warrior
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Dec 2008
Posts: 85
Thanks: 9
Thanked 21 Times in 13 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

3 k for 3 weeks is a good deal especially if you make it back. I dont understand what is wrong with people. First of all a deal is a deal, both parties should hold their end. Secondly, he or she just made their money back and learned a skill from someone who really knows their stuff and has proven it.
I have no patience for people like that and you should be very stern with these people.

Btw Jeremy, please check your pm on coaching site
gussyboy is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:30 PM   #22
SMP
Steve Peirce
War Room Member
 
SMP's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Rugby, UK
Posts: 114
Thanks: 2
Thanked 11 Times in 11 Posts
Contact Info
Send a message via Skype™ to SMP
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

This guy clearly just doesn't get it.

Firstly, $3k for 3 weeks coaching is not expensive.

Secondly, where else would you get a guarantee of a defined net profit before any money changes hands?

Thirdly, if this guy had reneged on a deal like this with me, the very last thing I would be considering is to give him even more training for an indeterminate period of time.

Lastly, if I was shown a way to make $3k net profit in 3 weeks, you'd better believe i would make sure I could carry on replicating that process again and again.

A deal is a deal. Don't be taken for a ride by this guy.

Regards,

Steve.
SMP is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:31 PM   #23
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
adamv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Sacramento, CA, USA.
Posts: 1,111
Thanks: 165
Thanked 239 Times in 139 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

It's really hard to believe that someone was trying to get even more out of you after the deal you gave him. You agreed to coach him until he hit his goal. That could have been one day, one week, one month etc.

Coaching with a guarantee of making $X is pretty awesome. You won't find a deal like that very often. You didn't just show him how to do something, you agreed to continue helping until he hit a certain target. Who else is going to offer something like that?

Powerful Backlinks - Affordable Prices - We will write, spin and submit articles to the best blog network on the internet while you watch your sites shoot to the top of the rankings.

PLR Article Packs - Keyword Researched Seo Friendly Articles. Limited to 65 copies. Currently available packs "Fat Burning" and "Quit Smoking."
adamv is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:39 PM   #24
Advanced Warrior
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: U.S.A.
Posts: 741
Thanks: 59
Thanked 45 Times in 37 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Sounds like he should have set his goal a little higher, like $52,000. Then he would have had you for an entire year.

Ask him if he'd like to revise his goal now that he has a little sample of what you can offer.
Gail Sober is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:39 PM   #25
You need to become a
War Room Member
 
ecoverartist's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Location: A cave with 47 computers and an internet feed
Posts: 1,641
Thanks: 208
Thanked 156 Times in 72 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Contact Info
Send a message via MSN to ecoverartist
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

If you're worried about him bad-mouthing you or posting nasty stuff - think of how he'll possibly "hold this 'deal' over your head" until he's satisfied - which sounds like it might be never. Imagine 3 months from now, he could say "You'd better give me more coaching and get me to $10,000 per month or I'll tell everyone your coaching SUCKS!"

You've honestly done exactly what you would do, and I applaud your kind-heartedness to want to go the extra mile - but people don't know the value of what you've given them if you give it to them for less or for free.

Sherice Jacob - Web Design & Graphics Pro
eCover Design | Web Design| Follow Me on Twitter!
Buy My Book from Amazon.com Get Niche Quick!
ecoverartist is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:44 PM   #26
Deadbeat Cat to Support
 
traces2757's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Spokane, WA
Posts: 335
Blog Entries: 1
Thanks: 32
Thanked 42 Times in 21 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Myspace Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile 
Contact Info
Send a message via Yahoo to traces2757
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

If someone makes $3000 in three weeks as a direct result of your coaching, that person got an exceptional deal for $3000. You didn't just give him a fish, you taught him how to fish like a pro! What he learned can earn him a full-time living for life. He got a bargain.

traces2757 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:52 PM   #27
Active Warrior
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 59
Thanks: 2
Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

If you taught him to fish he should be good to go... is he still making money from the training, and what you guys set up? What's he bellly aching about. Plus "A DEAL IS A DEAL"

To add to that... I know personally... you ALWAYS over deliver BIG TIME.
dmail333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 07:57 PM   #28
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Jeremy Kelsall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: , , USA.
Posts: 6,797
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 1,050
Thanked 3,673 Times in 1,257 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

I honestly just think that he is afraid that without someone looking over him that he's not going to make the money.

He emailed me back and we have come to terms with a phone call in 2 weeks to address any problems that he has. So, even though there was a little "hiccup" there it still ended well.

Jeremy Kelsall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 08:04 PM   #29
Active Warrior
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Posts: 59
Thanks: 2
Thanked 9 Times in 9 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

PS: I've paid 3k for 3 days over 3 times... and it was never one on one coaching. And I haven't been unhappy with it. What world is he from. I bet if he had not tried to BS you.. you would have taken a call or 2 over the next few weeks anyway. Right Jeremy?
dmail333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 08:15 PM   #30
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: , , .
Posts: 5,430
Thanks: 274
Thanked 183 Times in 140 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post
So, I've got a little issue

I was doing some coaching with someone that contacted me privately off of this forum. They asked me to do some private coaching with them and asked me how much it would cost. My reply was just pay me how much you want to make and I'll stick with you until you hit that number.

So, he payed me $3,000 and we hit the number of $3,000 net profit 3 weeks later. So, that's it, right? I thought it was...

Now, he says that 3K is too much to pay for 3 weeks of coaching. I told him that the deal wasn't for a certain amount of time that we agreed the coaching would last until he hit 3K, but he still feels like I should coach him for an unspecified amount of time for whatever reason...

I thought about agreeing to do so for a couple more weeks, with a reduced workload on my part, but am really second guessing that because he was not willing to honor the original agreement that we had. In the end, I could coach him for a couple more weeks and he could again give the same argument...

What say you, warriors?
Jeremy:

First off, you did deliver, so you need to do no more atm.

However, may I suggest offering further coaching, and this time split the money at least 60/40 in your favor for as long as he wants?

Floyd Fisher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 09:04 PM   #31
List Building Freedom
War Room Member
 
Mike Hill's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 2,611
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 249
Thanked 668 Times in 330 Posts
Social Networking View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason_V View Post
Jeremy,

The only problem is that if you just say "A deal is a deal" even though you made him the $3,000 he's going to be offended/hurt/mad. He could run around and bad mouth you and harbor ill feelings for you and just send a whole lot of negative karma your way. I'm not saying this is justified at all. I'm saying, why have someone unsatisfied if there is an easy solution.

You seem like you're willing to bend a little to appease him. I think you should just draw up a contract that says you agree to coach him for the next couple weeks, obviously specifying the exact time. Have him sign it.

That way when your coaching is over, he really can't harbor ill feelings and he can't do this again, because you have the contract. If he does harbor ill feelings, than at least you can sleep at night and know you did everything you could to make it right. You can just chalk it up to some people can't be satisfied.

If it goes the other way, if he's tickled pink that you actually cared enough to keep coaching him, you could have a real champion and supporter of you and your services. He'll run around and tell everyone how great you are. There's nothing like good word of mouth.

That's my $0.01 because I need to save the other $0.01 for a rainy day.


Well that certainly isn't hard to turn into a powerful marketing message...

"Showed Client How To Go From $0 to $3K... Now He's Mad As Hell"

He Paid Me $3,000 And I Coached Him To A $3K per month Business... Now He's Mad About The Whole Thing Because It Only Took 3 Weeks To Get Him there.
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

That's a marketers dream situation you can easily come out on the winning end. When he starts complaining to others whats he gonna say... "I asked him to coach me to a $3K business, he did that is only 3 weeks and now I'm mad as hell because this success happened too quickly..."

As far as I'm concerned you should see if he wants to be coached to a $10K business... Because you've lived up to your end of the deal and proved it can be done.

Mike Hill

The Newbie Marketers Formula | Info Marketing News

List Building Freedom
(coming soon...)
Mike Hill is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 09:12 PM   #32
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Jason_V's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: , , USA.
Posts: 1,467
Blog Entries: 5
Thanks: 129
Thanked 207 Times in 78 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post
I honestly just think that he is afraid that without someone looking over him that he's not going to make the money.

He emailed me back and we have come to terms with a phone call in 2 weeks to address any problems that he has. So, even though there was a little "hiccup" there it still ended well.
Jeremy,

I'm glad to hear it. I figured there could be some kind of solution that everyone would be happy about.

Jason_V is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 09:13 PM   #33
AT gmail DOT com
War Room Member
 
CDarklock's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2009
Location: Kent, WA
Posts: 6,951
Blog Entries: 4
Thanks: 1,740
Thanked 5,487 Times in 2,511 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Myspace Profile  View Member's FaceBook Profile  View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Contact Info
Send a message via ICQ to CDarklock Send a message via MSN to CDarklock Send a message via Skype™ to CDarklock
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post
Now, he says that 3K is too much to pay for 3 weeks of coaching.
I'd ask a few questions.

First, he paid you $3,000 to coach him until he made $3,000 profit, right? He'll have to agree.

And he's made $3,000 profit, right? He'll have to agree again.

Now, does he feel that he hasn't learned enough from your coaching?

He'll probably get fidgety and make excuses, but he wants more, so he'll say he hasn't learned enough.

Now offer to write it all down for him, so he has it to study for as long as he wants and he'll never forget it. (This is probably his big fear.)

If he wants more personalised coaching, ask him "well, how much more do you want to make?"

Talk Marketing Now
Donate to the Darklock Liquor Fund
Hey; I got nothin' to do today but smile,
'n-da, 'n-da, doo-da, and here I am.
CDarklock is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 09:40 PM   #34
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
mmurtha's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hubbard, Ohio, USA.
Posts: 4,387
Thanks: 333
Thanked 113 Times in 89 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Contact Info
Send a message via AIM to mmurtha Send a message via MSN to mmurtha Send a message via Skype™ to mmurtha
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Hi Jeremy,

Interesting dilemma ...

I would stick to the original agreement, especially since you honored your end of the deal by sticking with him until he made the 3K. He made his money back, plus got some education out of it that he can use for a very long time. He should be able to duplicate what you've taught him.

Besides, he didn't stick to the agreement, and that should tell you something about him right off the bat that sends up a red flag.

It's up to him to apply what he's learned. He has to be responsible for his side of the street just like you do (and you have). To be a good coach also includes teaching people how to be responsible for what they've learned or will learn - whether it comes by tough love, by you simply telling him, or if he picks that up on his own.

Hope this helps ...


Mary

Edited to add -

Sorry Jeremy,

I didn't realize you resolved the issue before I finished this post.

Quote:
He emailed me back and we have come to terms with a phone call in 2 weeks to address any problems that he has. So, even though there was a little "hiccup" there it still ended well.
Bute I'm glad you did, and he feels somewhat satisfied.
mmurtha is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 10:06 PM   #35
Vegas Whale.
War Room Member
 
birddog200's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2009
Location: Wild blue yonder
Posts: 180
Thanks: 36
Thanked 21 Times in 19 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

I think you did a good thing here with the 1 hour phone

call. This way he can get get his feet wet and write all

of his questions down to get them answered. Now he won't

feel left out on his own.

P.S. If you taught me how to make 3 grand in 3 weeks, I would

kiss your feet.

birddog200 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 10:17 PM   #36
Senior Warrior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: US of A
Posts: 2,190
Thanks: 47
Thanked 257 Times in 211 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

I'd cut him/her loose. If they can keep going on their own then that's great. If they can't then they'll be back. It's that simple. Both sides fulfilled the agreement if what you stated is accurate.

InternetMarketingIQ is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 10:21 PM   #37
Advanced Warrior
War Room Member
 
misterwrecker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Dirty Jersey, USA.
Posts: 568
Thanks: 47
Thanked 58 Times in 40 Posts
Contact Info
Send a message via AIM to misterwrecker Send a message via Skype™ to misterwrecker
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

You could tell him to give you the 3k back and you'll coach him for 3 more weeks if he is still unsure.
misterwrecker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 10:36 PM   #38
Watching Carefully
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Location: The Contiguous US
Posts: 267
Thanks: 65
Thanked 27 Times in 23 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Well he paid you $3K and he made $3K net. That means he made more money but minus expenses and other what nots, he profited $3K.

That sounds like a wash to me. His ROI was 100% in 3 weeks! So in essence he got your expert coaching for free-lol

What's there to complain about?...you guys are even!

~Yeah I'm working on it~

Sonja is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 11:15 PM   #39
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Kay King's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: Gulf Coast, USA.
Posts: 15,143
Thanks: 3,712
Thanked 4,139 Times in 2,256 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

You had a deal - the deal is completed. Did you put in writing? If not, why not? Gentleman's agreements only work if both are gentlemen.

He can't argue or debate someone who doesn't respond to the argument. You can choose to say "we agreed to xxxx and it's now completed" - and refuse to discuss it further.

That said - nothing wrong with over delivery if that's what you want to do. Perhaps one or two time limited consultations per week for XX weeks as a "favor" to him. AND put that in writing - and have him agree in writing.

kay
Kay King is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 11:21 PM   #40
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Florida, USA
Posts: 116
Thanks: 188
Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Some people are unbelievable. This guy is now capable of making 1K a week and complaining about it!? It does seem that he was probably just nervous to be on his own and fully responsible for things. I love your solution, Jeremy. Even though my initial reaction was also "a deal's a deal", I would have felt bad about dropping someone cold turkey.
aquablue is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 11:46 PM   #41
HyperActive Warrior
 
Mr Money Maker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 266
Thanks: 1
Thanked 28 Times in 23 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

A deal is a deal, unless you have ways of drivinging Internet traffic to make that $3000.00 that you're not telling him. Is he making money still?......and how much?
But my question is, why coach him, he was out no out of pocket change and you could have made that $3000.00 on your own without him right.......or is there more to this story, like he has a power ranked website and you need him also?
These are questions I'd ask you......I am not being mean, just trying to figure this out?

Mr Money Maker is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-16-2009, 11:56 PM   #42
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Jeremy Kelsall's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: , , USA.
Posts: 6,797
Blog Entries: 3
Thanks: 1,050
Thanked 3,673 Times in 1,257 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr Money Maker View Post
A deal is a deal, unless you have ways of drivinging Internet traffic to make that $3000.00 that you're not telling him. Is he making money still?......and how much?
But my question is, why coach him, he was out no out of pocket change and you could have made that $3000.00 on your own without him right.......or is there more to this story, like he has a power ranked website and you need him also?
These are questions I'd ask you......I am not being mean, just trying to figure this out?
Why not coach him? lol

I made 3K for talking to someone for a total of under 3 hours probably and exchanging a couple of emails. Even though each call was scheduled for an hour, we were usually off the phone after about 25 minutes.

Could I have made $3,000 without him? Yes, I can make 3K in about 10 different ways to Sunday in under 3 weeks. That's not me bragging, that is me just keeping as real as I can. Internet Money is like Monopoly money, there are millions of people in tens of thousands of niches or more just waiting to give you their money.

There is no more to the story. He said he would pay me $3,000 to show him how to make $3,000 and I did.

Jeremy Kelsall is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 12:38 AM   #43
HyperActive Warrior
War Room Member
 
morry's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2006
Location: Melbourne, Australia.
Posts: 183
Thanks: 12
Thanked 77 Times in 18 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Good to hear you sorted him out. I can't stand people who don't stick to their word. You'd think being able to make $3000 would give him the confidence to go and do it on his own.

Sean
morry is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 02:33 AM   #44
Dare To Be Different
War Room Member
 
ExRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: U.K.
Posts: 8,875
Thanks: 1,318
Thanked 2,807 Times in 1,041 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Hi Jeremy,

I would be careful about asking questions like this (in the way that you did) on a forum.

Quote:
Could I have made $3,000 without him? Yes, I can make 3K in about 10 different ways to Sunday in under 3 weeks. That's not me bragging, that is me just keeping as real as I can. Internet Money is like Monopoly money, there are millions of people in tens of thousands of niches or more just waiting to give you their money.
If you're that good, and that good at passing this skill onto others, then you really should have the smarts to be able to come up with a solution and resolve this without asking people on a forum.

Hypothetically, imagine if you weren't that good, and you had bad intentions - this thread would be a really good way to get half of the forum PMing you and asking for you to coach them. In that scenario, this thread, with the figures and timescales thrown in, would be a great way to advertise your services for free.

I'm not questioning your integrity, I'm explaining that a thread like this is too similar to the type that someone lacking integrity would make, and therefore causes questions to be asked.

Hope this helps.

ExRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 05:57 AM   #45
Marketing Mentor
War Room Member
 
marciayudkin's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2008
Location: Maui and Massachusetts
Posts: 1,141
Thanks: 110
Thanked 548 Times in 265 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile  View Member's YouTube Profile
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
If you're that good, and that good at passing this skill onto others, then you really should have the smarts to be able to come up with a solution and resolve this without asking people on a forum.
That is REALLY unfair.

First, all of us, however expert we are, have blind spots. Even gurus can't be expected to have no questions at all! Someone can be really good at increasing profit but not so good at client relations, especially with respect to a situation that I would guess few of us have ever faced, either.

Second, many times people ask questions not because they don't know the answer but because they know the answer but lack confidence in it.

I'm glad Jeremy shared this question. I'm glad you shared your reply also. We all have the opportunity to learn something here.

Marcia Yudkin

Author, Meatier Marketing Copy, available in paperback, Kindle, Nook, Audible audiobook
“There are few genuine thought leaders in the field of copywriting. Marcia Yudkin is one of them. The strategies she presents in Meatier Marketing Copy are all easy to understand and implement, yet profoundly insightful. If you want to write marketing copy that sizzles and sells, this book is a must-read.” - Steve Slaunwhite, Author, Start & Run a Copywriting Business, Co-Author, The Wealthy Freelancer
marciayudkin is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 06:10 AM   #46
Advanced Warrior
 
Craig McPherson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Location: Melbourne
Posts: 753
Thanks: 109
Thanked 300 Times in 152 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Jezz,

Take a look in the mirror, mate.
If you are comfortable with what you see, move on.

If you truly believe you have been legal,ethical and moral in your dealings with him
then it is case closed.

Craig McPherson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 06:16 AM   #47
Senior Warrior Member
War Room Member
 
Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: Location, Location.
Posts: 2,066
Thanks: 246
Thanked 446 Times in 266 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Quote:
Originally Posted by ExRat View Post

If you're that good, and that good at passing this skill onto others, then you really should have the smarts to be able to come up with a solution and resolve this without asking people on a forum.
It would seem Jeremy had a solution he was simply airing the scenario to others for feedback. "Smarts" doesn't come into it.

Quote:
Hypothetically, imagine if you weren't that good, and you had bad intentions - this thread would be a really good way to get half of the forum PMing you and asking for you to coach them. In that scenario, this thread, with the figures and timescales thrown in, would be a great way to advertise your services for free.
Well perhaps Jeremy was looking for a few more clients, no biggie, he killed two birds with one stone, time management I call it .

Anybody who's grabbed Jeremy's stuff knows he knows how to make a buck and he's one of the very few on this forum who actually would be worth paying .
SimonHarrison is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 06:17 AM   #48
Life Student
War Room Member
 
wisecrone333's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Location: rural NZ
Posts: 128
Thanks: 61
Thanked 14 Times in 13 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

I agreed with Dee on this that I think he saw you as having some kind of "magic touch" and that without your support his revenue would dry up - sounds like you got it sorted though and that is the main thing. Personally if I ever get a spare 3K I know who to spend it on

Have a great day
Lisa

Hire me to write your ebooks - Warriors get a discount: just check out the blog below for more details.
Gran's tackling the world of IM - check out the blog here
Understanding domestic violence, writing a book in just 8 hours and more can be found here
wisecrone333 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 07:16 AM   #49
Dare To Be Different
War Room Member
 
ExRat's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2005
Location: U.K.
Posts: 8,875
Thanks: 1,318
Thanked 2,807 Times in 1,041 Posts
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Hi Marcia/Simon,

Quote:
Quote:
Could I have made $3,000 without him? Yes, I can make 3K in about 10 different ways to Sunday in under 3 weeks. That's not me bragging, that is me just keeping as real as I can. Internet Money is like Monopoly money, there are millions of people in tens of thousands of niches or more just waiting to give you their money.
If you're that good, and that good at passing this skill onto others, then you really should have the smarts to be able to come up with a solution and resolve this without asking people on a forum.
Quote:
That is REALLY unfair.
Not unfair at all in my opinion. Just 'keeping it real' like Jeremy.

ExRat is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 08-17-2009, 07:32 AM   #50
Advanced Warrior
War Room Member
 
dean_holland's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: England UK
Posts: 541
Thanks: 182
Thanked 216 Times in 79 Posts
Social Networking View Member's Twitter Profile 
Default Re: A deal is a deal or give into the request?

Hi

Jeremy, you know what..... Let me put this sentence before you -

You just took some guy in THREE weeks to make $3,000

Let me break it down ...

Time frame: 3 weeks
Cost: $3,000
Earnings: $3,000
Profit: $0.00

Oh no hang on ... Profit $0 ?? You just taught this person exactly how to make money online and by anyones standards to teach someone to make 3k in 3 weeks is phenomenal !

I think the risk was all on you and I think you're very brave to do such a thing knowing that many people just dont put in the work.

Man if you were able to repeat such a thing regularly or even in a longer time frame then that is a flipping GREAT deal for anyone.

Many guys are charging multiple thousands of dollars and people leave making no money but they have the knowledge and leave the coaching to continue building their business that will in time make money. And they are very happy with that

What you have done for this person is very commendable and you should not only not feel any bad feeling, you should feel proud !

I think you undervalue what you have done, 3k in 3 weeks ... Worth a lot more than $3000 IMO !

What would I do in your position ?? Hmmm, of course you do not want this guy bad mouthing you however what will he say ?

"oh man I just paid this 1 guy $3,000 and only got 3 weeks coaching... I made all my money back though in that time and know how to make more"

lmao !

Joking aside though, I personally would put the ball back into his court. Ask him what more he expects as the original deal has been forfilled.

Let him put his thoughts to you as to what he would like ( like not have ) .... Then respond according, keeping in mind that the original deal is complete so if the expectations of this person exceed your idea of reasonable then you propose something to him to benefit both of you.

If it comes to it then simply refuse, inform this person that you have forfileld your side of the deal and he has made his 3k back.

Then as a last resort send him to this post

Nice one anyway, thats real cool you did that for him !

Dean


dean_holland is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

  WarriorForum - Internet Marketing Forums > The Warrior Forum > Main Internet Marketing Discussion Forum

Tags
deal, give, request

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -6. The time now is 01:56 AM.