I think I have just entered the Twilight Zone HERE :(

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People talking about making fake accounts at other Forums and having conversations with their own selves among these fake accounts to shill their Amazon products( in a recent Thread that went on all this morning).

And then other Warriors chiming in on that same Thread to ask if their will be an WSO on this technique and "how could you scale this up" etc..etc..

Unreal.

I feel like I entered into another dimension here at WF where anything and everything goes LOL

( Bottom Line : Just don't do it folks. Its fraudulent and extremely unethical)
#entered #iam #twilight #zone
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    • Profile picture of the author JustinQuintero
      Sounds waaaay too black hat/grey hat for me. No thanks!
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        Mods removed the thread after a time - but the OP remains...even though he posts from a country 3000 miles distant from the 'location' in his profile.

        The same thread title is posted by the same person (same name...so...) on Nairaland Forum where it is a lead-in to a book for sale on "how to do it"...
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        • Profile picture of the author onSubie
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          Mods removed the thread after a time - but the OP remains...even though he posts from a country 3000 miles distant from the 'location' in his profile.

          The same thread title is posted by the same person (same name...so...) on Nairaland Forum where it is a lead-in to a book for sale on "how to do it"...


          Not exactly the same but I suppose similar to people who start threads, "What's the best VPS for affiliate marketing?" and their signature is a link to "Cheapest VPS Service!"
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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        I've had many occasions in business - offline and online - where someone has tried to recruit me to a program or product or idea by telling me how easy it is to cheat a system. My reaction has always been the same - if you will cheat one person...you'd cheat me, too, if it served your purpose.

        That may be an old fashioned concept but it's saved me from scams many times....so I'll stick with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author onSubie
    Although that wasn't the real point of the post, it was what most people jumped on.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Maybe not his original point in the very first Post. But it was his technique to get the results he had
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  • Profile picture of the author SFNY
    I actually read the thread. What didn't make sense to me was the fact that he was using grey hat forum tactics to shill posts so readers can see. This doesn't make any sense as the post was about passive income. To me, it's a lot easier to just build quality backlinks and authority.

    The method he used was quite simple: build an ultra thin blog style site (roughly 6 pages) with 1 page being his product promotion page/product mention and build the site using what I'd say are grey hat tactics until it becomes an authority. Fine I get that but to me it's just too shady and would never last. What I didn't understand was why he would waste the time to create links in a sort of grey hat way when it's a heck of a lot easier to build quality white hat links and engagement that actually work and would be built to last.

    Also, to drive traffic through made up accounts on forums doesn't make sense to me. He mentioned direct marketing which can be done in a white hat way with paid ads. It's easier to build white hat links and also paid ads.

    Personally, the concept wasn't bad but his direct marketing tactics were way below standard. You can build a semi passive income using paid ads. Why use tactics that will eventually fall off when you can use real engagement and quality link building strategies.

    There is always something to learn from everyone though, whether it's what to do or what not to do. This isn't a defense but how many people on here back in the day built crap links? When I ran my promotion company, we used to drop flyers on people's MySpace pages all the time haha. Did I mention I did very well in that market. Would I do it these days? No, definitely not!
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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by SFNY View Post

      I actually read the thread. What didn't make sense to me was the fact that he was using grey hat forum tactics to shill posts so readers can see. This doesn't make any sense as the post was about passive income. To me, it's a lot easier to just build quality backlinks and authority.

      He wasn't doing it to build backlinks, he was doing it to get people looking for a solution in his niche to visit his site.

      There was interesting discussion and I don't think anything he said was so egregious the whole thread needed to be deleted.

      If you are driving traffic, either paid, by social networking or through a list you don't need a lot of pages. The idea of building a site out to many pages is to broaden the SEO traffic across multiple keywords to get multiple pages ranked in the SERPs.

      If you are sending paid traffic to a landing page you only really need one page; the page that traffic is going to.

      Of course, you also need required privacy policy/disclaimer pages and you may have multiple landing pages for split testing but generally you don't need to build out a 25 page site if you are sending targeted traffic to only one or two optimized pages.

      His play was not an SEO strategy.
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      • Profile picture of the author SFNY
        I agree with you. That's why I noted that there's something to be learned from everyone. I don't think the thread needed to be removed either. In fact, who makes the judgement call on what's white, grey, or black hat? What if he was new and had no idea what he was doing, but it worked for him.

        I just think there are more efficient ways to accomplish both building backlinks and driving traffic to people looking for a solution in his niche. Hence my paid traffic comment.

        Also, what happens when these forum posts are removed or drop down, the traffic dwindles and his links are forgotten about. Why not just use Instagram and keep follow potential customers. Hell of a lot easier if you're doing that, no?


        Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

        He wasn't doing it to build backlinks, he was doing it to get people looking for a solution in his niche to visit his site.

        There was interesting discussion and I don't think anything he said was so egregious the whole thread needed to be deleted.

        If you are driving traffic, either paid, by social networking or through a list you don't need a lot of pages. The idea of building a site out to many pages is to broaden the SEO traffic across multiple keywords to get multiple pages ranked in the SERPs.

        If you are sending paid traffic to a landing page you only really need one page; the page that traffic is going to.

        Of course, you also need required privacy policy/disclaimer pages and you may have multiple landing pages for split testing but generally you don't need to build out a 25 page site if you are sending targeted traffic to only one or two optimized pages.

        His play was not an SEO strategy.
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        • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
          Originally Posted by SFNY View Post

          I agree with you. That's why I noted that there's something to be learned from everyone. I don't think the thread needed to be removed either. In fact, who makes the judgement call on what's white, grey, or black hat? What if he was new and had no idea what he was doing, but it worked for him.
          Sorry, but he knew exactly what he was doing. That's why he didn't mention his method in the first post. He waited until he had a nibble.

          He tried to tell me that calling his con game a con game was "myopic". That's not the comment of a newbie who doesn't know better.

          Originally Posted by SFNY View Post

          I just think there are more efficient ways to accomplish both building backlinks and driving traffic to people looking for a solution in his niche. Hence my paid traffic comment.
          More efficient and more ethical. No question.

          Originally Posted by SFNY View Post

          Also, what happens when these forum posts are removed or drop down, the traffic dwindles and his links are forgotten about. Why not just use Instagram and keep follow potential customers. Hell of a lot easier if you're doing that, no?
          I would imagine that one of the shill IDs bumps the thread, probably with some bit of glowing praise for the con artist. Or he just posts another question/answer thread.
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          • Profile picture of the author discrat
            Call me paranoid ( but I prefer insightful lol) but this whole Thread ( the one this morning) by this guy was a manipulative scheme from the git go.

            I have no doubt in my mind.

            I agree with John.

            He was not just implementing his scheme on those ' other ' non- mmo Forums, he was in the beginning stages of implementing it right here and right now on WF. And many of you all took it hook,line, and sinker

            If he was not called out and if the Thread was not deleted he would have been more than willing to accommodate some PMs from unsuspecting Warriors and hawking his new Amazon Product Launch.

            I'm certain of that
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            • Profile picture of the author onSubie
              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              Call me paranoid ( but I prefer insightful lol) but this whole Thread ( the one this morning) by this guy was a manipulative scheme from the git go.

              No doubt. As Kay mentioned above, he started a similar thread in another forum that was more blatantly promotional.

              I also notice he has not showed up in this thread to dispel any of that or defend himself.
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              • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
                Originally Posted by onSubie View Post

                I also notice he has not showed up in this thread to dispel any of that or defend himself.
                Probably busy trying to set up new accounts...
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                • Profile picture of the author Kay King
                  ...while breathing a sigh of relief that only the thread was deleted....
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            • Profile picture of the author chyan007
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              Originally Posted by discrat View Post

              Call me paranoid ( but I prefer insightful lol) but this whole Thread ( the one this morning) by this guy was a manipulative scheme from the git go.

              I have no doubt in my mind.

              I agree with John.

              He was not just implementing his scheme on those ' other ' non- mmo Forums, he was in the beginning stages of implementing it right here and right now on WF. And many of you all took it hook,line, and sinker

              If he was not called out and if the Thread was not deleted he would have been more than willing to accommodate some PMs from unsuspecting Warriors and hawking his new Amazon Product Launch.

              I'm certain of that
              Hi Robert

              Whats up ?

              Unfortunately i missed the thread

              Thats the limit people go to now days

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        • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
          Originally Posted by SFNY View Post

          I agree with you. That's why I noted that there's something to be learned from everyone.
          Yes. What should be learned from that thread is how to evaluate statistics. Any income claim, whether black, grey or white hat, that's based solely on two weeks' worth of sales in the run-up to Christmas is virtually worthless as an example of a viable business method.
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  • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
    I could never understand why people want to try and take what they believe to be the "easy" way out of doing things. I also don't understand how a person can be so morally skewed that they have absolutely no guilt over some of the scams they pull on the Internet.

    The one that really gets me is the scum that sell solo ads and then use bots or safelists or some other form of junk traffic to fulfill the order. Isn't it easier just to do it the right way then to constantly keep having to change your identity, open new accounts everywhere, fight with people, etc?

    Another thing I've been noticing is that people can't wait to turn around and create a product about something they just learned. It's like their one and only goal for educating themselves is so they can find something new to create a product about it and sell it to others. Why don't they just use what they've learned instead? Oh, I forgot... Most of the time what they learned didn't work for them so the only way they can make some money forom it is to bottle it up and sell it. Pathetic.

    I was never one for tons of rules and regulatory agencies but I have to say I think the IM industry is in serious need of some policing. There are lots of people who are just absolutely out of control lately.
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    • Profile picture of the author onSubie
      Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post

      Another thing I've been noticing is that people can't wait to turn around and create a product about something they just learned.
      I know what you mean. People try a method. Fluke out and get $200 in a day. Then $0 for every day the rest of the month. But they use screen shots from that one day to push a product that "Makes $200 per day".

      The method is not repeatable and is not sustainable but they have a screen shot from that one day as "proof" when really they just stumbled into some money by accident.
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  • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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    What I don't understand, is why someone who's found
    a dubious way of earning money online,
    would want to start telling everyone about it in forums.
    Most sane people would keep it to themselves.

    Unless of course the real money is in the selling
    of an idea that doesn't work to anyone gullible enough to fall for it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    People talking about making fake accounts at other Forums and having conversations with their own selves among these fake accounts to shill their Amazon products( in a recent Thread that went on all this morning).

    And then other Warriors chiming in on that same Thread to ask if their will be an WSO on this technique and "how could you scale this up" etc..etc..

    I feel like I entered into another dimension here at WF where anything and everything goes LOL
    This is obviously a problem. What is your solution to fix it?
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by discrat View Post

      People talking about making fake accounts at other Forums and having conversations with their own selves among these fake accounts to shill their Amazon products( in a recent Thread that went on all this morning).

      And then other Warriors chiming in on that same Thread to ask if their will be an WSO on this technique and "how could you scale this up" etc..etc..

      Unreal.

      I feel like I entered into another dimension here at WF where anything and everything goes LOL

      ==> Bottom Line : Just don't do it folks. Its fraudulent and extremely unethical)
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      This is obviously a problem. What is your solution to fix it?
      Fixed that for you
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    • Profile picture of the author lgibbon
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      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      This is obviously a problem. What is your solution to fix it?
      Ban all the "look how I made this much" threads.

      99.9% of them are complete bull,
      So won't be a great loss.
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  • Profile picture of the author kazimuhith
    Fake stuffs aren't long term . And nobody will buy a product from a person that talks about fakery. Good advice , bro.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    People talking about making fake accounts at other Forums and having conversations with their own selves among these fake accounts to shill their Amazon products( in a recent Thread that went on all this morning).

    And then other Warriors chiming in on that same Thread to ask if their will be an WSO on this technique and "how could you scale this up" etc..etc..

    Unreal.

    I feel like I entered into another dimension here at WF where anything and everything goes LOL

    ( Bottom Line : Just don't do it folks. Its fraudulent and extremely unethical)


    Welcome to Digitalpoint.
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    I've watched several people try this on WF over the years. Shills for their shills.

    I've never seen it end well for them.

    Your ability to dupe people depends on the people you are targeting. I've seen "seasoned" members swallow the whole hook line and sinker. If you go around with your eyes closed, you are going to bump into things.

    I think the IM industry is in serious need of some policing.
    Absolutely not! It's not my day to babysit for people who will get scammed no matter what "regulations" exist. I'm not going to be punished for other people's stupidity.

    BOTTOM LINE: Open your fu*king eyes!
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    One thing that has been learnt by this thread is that before the thread would have been nuked ASAP but now they (Mods) just have a look every 20 odd mins maybe before they take action so more idiots want to know the how.

    There was a Warrior a few years ago who had 3 accounts to boost his thread cred and did not end well
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve L
    Originally Posted by discrat View Post

    People talking about making fake accounts at other Forums and having conversations with their own selves among these fake accounts to shill their Amazon products( in a recent Thread that went on all this morning).

    And then other Warriors chiming in on that same Thread to ask if their will be an WSO on this technique and "how could you scale this up" etc..etc..

    Unreal.

    I feel like I entered into another dimension here at WF where anything and everything goes LOL

    ( Bottom Line : Just don't do it folks. Its fraudulent and extremely unethical)
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Absolutely not! It's not my day to babysit for people who will get scammed no matter what "regulations" exist. I'm not going to be punished for other people's stupidity.

      BOTTOM LINE: Open your fu*king eyes!
      That's one of the problems with over-regulation. People start depending on the rules to protect them rather than learning to look out for themselves. They follow the rules, so they expect everyone else to do so as well.

      The people breaking the rules/laws now aren't going to change their ways just because there are more rules/laws to break.
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    • Profile picture of the author salegurus
      Originally Posted by lgibbon View Post

      Ban all the "look how I made this much" threads.

      99.9% of them are complete bull,
      So won't be a great loss.
      Plus One My Friend

      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      Welcome to Digitalpoint.
      You can say that again...
      Lets face it, by and large the calibre of new members joining the WF these days is not what it used to be... Combine that with a little "loosening" of the rules and you are having many more of these type of threads compared to the past....
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    "Make money online" is pretty much 99% scammers and always has been.

    In the WSO section you will see people selling WSO's on "how to make a WSO in one hour" that themselves were made in one hour. The short version is "find content somewhere else and paraphrase it into your own WSO and viola".
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    Lol wait are you surprised? 45% of the WSOs and posts here are of people pretending to use a method successfully, so they can dupe others out of their hard earned money. Really?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheOverseer
    What I can say is, be diligent enough to see through someone's offer if it's "too good to be true." Some people will go through things just to trick other people and make them believe that what they offer is the easiest way to earn money.
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