Are There Really Just 82 seats left??...(VERY Sneaky)

Andyhenry · 08-21-2009, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Andy,

You seem to be seeing multiple hallucinations - so I would ask you to consider why...

...not buy a bag of these philosopher's stone truffles. They're far out man...

Good call.

This thread is like a mosquito bite - annoying but you keep giving it your attention

I like Anik just because I know he's a hard worker and has made is success a reality from nothing - like most people here wish. So, despite this crappy tactic I can't bring myself to think badly of him.

It seems that most people that are struggling like to take pot-shots at any opportunity and this has been blown out of proportion.

I think we all pretty much agree that the tactic is not something we feel good about - and we're only responsible for our own actions and results, so dragging out the criticism of others isn't really a constructive use of time (IMHO).

I think I'll leave the thread to those who still have nothing better to do now.

Andy

mjbmedia · 08-21-2009, 01:51 PM

Ive not read through the whole thread so forgive me if Im treading over old ground.

Two points Id like to open up,
1) If you are an affiliate of this site mentioned in the thread, and as a result of their 'tactics' you earned £10000, then discovered about the counter, would you hand the commission back?

2) I agree with those who say if they lie to you early on then you cant really beleive them down the line etc. However many non marketing people will fall for the trick and sign up to this instead of signing up with a straight up honest sales page tactic type website..... so whats the solution to that? the tactic works and unless the clients are reading this thread, they arent going to know theyve been misled. .. so the dishonest approach wins.
is it any different to saying there are only 88 training manuals left, crossing that thru and putting 56, crossing that thru and putting 22 etc when in fact theres unlimited downloads available, a tactic used by many and for a long time?

Me I think it sucks but at the same time it does it's job and people don't fall for the old style of stating theres only a few left so order now.

2Quick · 08-21-2009, 04:40 PM

Well of course you have an Excuse!

Does not work for me!

And bringing up all these accolades is rediculous, bigtime!

Your successes have nothing to do with this issue, since we are speaking out about dishonesty here, not whether or not what you teach or sell is Good Stuff or not.

This tactic is used all the time by your kind, and you knew exactly what was going on here, you kidding me?

Jeff

Jay Jennings · 08-22-2009, 01:04 AM

Sheesh, that explanation was fine. I read it as, "We screwed up, we'll fix it right away."

What more do you want? Blood? Someone to be fired?

From beginning post to now we're talking about 3 days -- not 3 weeks or 3 months.

Using a fake counter like that is dishonest, but if you've never pulled a boneheaded move (on purpose or by accident) then you probably haven't ever accomplished anything, either, because stuff happens.

In general I don't think someone should be tarred and feathered due to a single act -- a track record should freaking well count for something.

Jay Jennings

Intrepreneur · 08-22-2009, 01:05 AM

WARNING: There is now only one seat left and it's for [YOU]

internetmarketer99 · 08-22-2009, 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jay Jennings

Sheesh, that explanation was fine. I read it as, "We screwed up, we'll fix it right away."

Hardly. More like "We really didn't expect to get called to the carpet on this. Let's try weaseling around it with a snow job".

I mean, what marketer could really think that was a "sync" problem with the "tech team".

It's almost more insulting to my intelligence than the fake counter.

Mar

Jay Jennings · 08-22-2009, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

I mean, what marketer could really think that was a "sync" problem with the "tech team".

Well, maybe any marketer who's ever been part of a tech team and been given crappy specs.

Not saying that's what happened here, but often the guys in the suits give the guys with the beanies specs that are incomplete or ambiguous.

And if the guys with the beanies think they know what's wanted, they won't go ask for clarification (because they don't know it needs to be clarified, of course).

I don't know Anik, I'm not an affiliate or associate of his in any way, but for you to declare your opinion as fact is about on par with purposefully using a fake counter.

I worked on tech teams for years and even in HUGE companies stupid stuff happens.

Jay Jennings

Kim Standerline · 08-22-2009, 02:41 AM

You know we've all made some stupid mistakes. (I know I have).

When you run a business you have to rely on the team working for you. (I know I did when I was juggling several sites etc). I had about 6 people working for me and mine was a smallish business so I can't imagine how many people Anik has working for him.

I relied on the people working for me to get it right, (It's what I paid them for), and I certainly didn't examine everything personally with a fine toothcomb because

a) I didn't have the neccesary skills
b) I didn't have the time

Obviously someone in Aniks team screwed up (Crap happens), but instead of stoning him over it, lets instead learn a lesson from it.

Mistakes can happen with anyone (even those with a pretty huge online business).

I'd suggest that some of the posters with the holier than thou attitudes in this thread look at themselves and examine carefully whether they have done anything online which could be construed as a tad stupid, I'm sure most of us have.

Personally I just assumed it was a mistake because I couldn't imagine Anik doing anything so tacky, but then I guess I didn't feel the need to flame someone who has become so successful. (Anyone notice how often that happens).

Kim

internetmarketer99 · 08-22-2009, 02:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

You know we've all made some stupid mistakes. (I know I have).

...
Obviously someone in Aniks team screwed up (Crap happens), but instead of stoning him over it, lets instead learn a lesson from it.

Mistakes can happen with anyone (even those with a pretty huge online business).

...

No disrespect to the poster, but that's just ridiculous.

How about, it's exactly as it appears: this is a very sharp and sophisticated marketer, who went with something he shouldn't have in order to boost conversions, it backfired, and now it's anything-at-all-to-maintain-the-appearance-of-untarnished-integrity?

Reminds me of all those "server crashes" during extremely carefully planned and choreographed launches. And all those "oops" emails.

Now I agree, lessons to be learned, etc., and there's a lot more 'stoning' here than most marketers doing similar things get, but it is what it is.

Mark

Kim Standerline · 08-22-2009, 03:07 AM

Hi

Well I've sent out oops emails, and they have always been genuine, I know other people have as well. Though of course I'm not denying it can be another silly marketing trick used by some.

Not sure why a server crash would be a marketing ploy, I'm sure if I was launching something, I'd want folks to actually be able to get onto the page to actually buy it!

The fact that the marketer in question is very sharp and sophisticated is another reason to question that he authorised this.

The site is aimed at marketer's. Most marketer's (as evidenced by this thread) know it's a tacky outdated gambit. well below Anik's usual standards

Sometimes we can't see the wood for the trees

Kim

Quote:

Originally Posted by internetmarketer99

No disrespect to the poster, but that's just ridiculous.

How about, it's exactly as it appears: this is a very sharp and sophisticated marketer, who went with something he shouldn't have in order to boost conversions, it backfired, and now it's anything-at-all-to-maintain-the-appearance-of-untarnished-integrity?

Reminds me of all those "server crashes" during extremely carefully planned and choreographed launches. And all those "oops" emails.

Now I agree, lessons to be learned, etc., and there's a lot more 'stoning' here than most marketers doing similar things get, but it is what it is.

Mark

JohnDow · 08-22-2009, 10:23 AM

By the way, does anybody know where to find the lazy tubester webinar replay.
Or at least what it is about?

John

Paul Schlegel · 08-23-2009, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnDow

By the way, does anybody know where to find the lazy tubester webinar replay.
Or at least what it is about?

John

Did you take the $1 trial of AffiliateClassroom? I believe you'd have had to
taken the $1 trial to get it.

iw · 08-23-2009, 02:42 AM

No doubt that counter is not real, we have this thread because we know it's faked.

But there are many people out there that didn't know about the counter and I believed it has psychologically triggered them to pull the credit card from their wallet.

Paul Schlegel · 08-23-2009, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by iw

No doubt that counter is not real, we have this thread because we know it's faked.

But there are many people out there that didn't know about the counter and I believed it has psychologically triggered them to pull the credit card from their wallet.

Look, I wasn't crazy about the fake counter either. I've mentioned that before...BUT the people that pulled their credit cards out of their wallets got EXTREMELY good and COMPLETE information that Anik could have easily sold as a standalone product for MUCH more. MUCH more.

AND they can easily CANCEL their membership right if they want to from their membership profile.

Lance K · 08-23-2009, 08:13 AM

Did the rules change about naming names and bashing people? I must have missed it.

Too bad. Because an otherwise interesting thread has gone way donw hill. And the whole thing will probably end up being deleted because of it.

Paul Schlegel · 08-23-2009, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Lance K

That sounds like the makings for a new thread to me.

I believe this one was intended to discuss the tactic of fake countdown scripts.

I've been thinking about this and trying to come up with some good questions to
help put constraints on the conversation. I'll give it a whirl:

1. If you use a REAL countdown, how can you prove that the countdown is real?
Related: Can you prove that it's real "in the moment"? or can you only "train lists/customers" to believe it's real over time?

2. Is there a way to use a countdown CONTINUOUSLY over time in a legitimate way?
i.e. Only the next 1000 people will get "bonus a"...and once that countdown is done...
Only the next 1000 people will get "bonus b".

Any other ideas?

MeCanX · 08-23-2009, 10:59 AM

I think it's stupid as the site gives you away as soon as you click to it...so then you automatically lose creditability right there...

I would be like, nope not going to that seminar...

Ross Bowring · 08-23-2009, 03:40 PM

Frank Kern is a good example of doing scarcity right...

Every time he opens his mouth it's a constant drum beat of "my stuff sells out quick"... "my stuff sells out quick"... backed up by examples of when his stuff, did, in actuality, sell out quick.

No need for fakery. False countdowns or any other nonsense.

Certainly "name" marketers with results under their belt can use this method... although I can see how someone without a track record would be tempted by the dark side...

Hesaidblissfully · 08-23-2009, 04:43 PM

That tactic doesn't really bother me. I guess because I'm used to seeing it. I'm more concerned with whether or not the product being sold does what it says it does.

Black Hat Cat · 08-23-2009, 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Hi Martin,

I think the point that makes the difference is - I imagine he probably didn't create this page himself but had someone do it for him. He may not even know there's a fake counter on there.

Since I don't KNOW - I'm not prepared to string him up for it.

But I do understand why people would and they may be right, I've just seen so many honest mistakes made and people flamed for things that weren't the underhanded sleazy tactics that people assumed - Anik seems like a good guy so I'm inclined to play devils advocate and start from a position on the positive side of the fence.

Andy

And now you've just given him an out. How long will it be now before we hear Anik say it wasn't his fault, it was the outsourcer's fault, lol.

The guy is most likely blatantly lying, yet you have to use your imagination to lay blame anywhere else except for where it most likely belongs. It's really sad.

Quote:

Using a fake counter like that is dishonest, but if you've never pulled a boneheaded move (on purpose or by accident) then you probably haven't ever accomplished anything, either, because stuff happens.

I've made plenty of boneheaded moves, but I can honestly say I have never lied by accident.

Martin.Avis · 08-24-2009, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Black Hat Cat

I've made plenty of boneheaded moves, but I can honestly say I have never lied by accident.

Unless you've forgotten something, in which case you just did!

seasoned · 08-24-2009, 07:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ross77

Every time he opens his mouth it's a constant drum beat of "my stuff sells out quick"... "my stuff sells out quick"... backed up by examples of when his stuff, did, in actuality, sell out quick.

No need for fakery. False countdowns or any other nonsense.

Certainly "name" marketers with results under their belt can use this method... although I can see how someone without a track record would be tempted by the dark side...

Well, I know someone hasn't been to the FTC site in the past 6 years or so!

Lothar Evers · 08-24-2009, 08:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly

This is 100% flat out dishonest.

Period.
Someone who's prepared to LIE to you on the first page for
a measly dollar offer cannot be trusted thereafter.

Completely agree, and I do not want to learnfrom someone who lies at me first to pretend urgency.

Maybe you sell more. But your relation is based on a lie....

Ram · 08-24-2009, 09:22 AM

Can't count the number of times I've made mistakes -- or just plain royally screwed up -- in my marketing career, online and offline.

Bet I'll make some more before I'm done.

Learned from them, though.

This was no big deal. If that's the worst Anik ever does, then he's a saint. From his affiliate manager's explanation, it seems like it was nothing more than a misstep and has been corrected.

Too many around here are quick to condemn and seem a bit holier than thou. Screw ups happen. Boneheaded moves happen. Being just plain wrong happens. Regrets happen. And if you spend any time in this biz you will experience all of the above. Deal. Learn. Move on.

This was nothing.

08-21-2009, 01:51 PM	#152
mjbmedia The Prince of Profit War Room Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Posts: 602 Thanks: 33 Thanked 78 Times in 59 Posts Social Networking	Re: Are There Really Just 82 seats left??...(VERY Sneaky) Ive not read through the whole thread so forgive me if Im treading over old ground. Two points Id like to open up, 1) If you are an affiliate of this site mentioned in the thread, and as a result of their 'tactics' you earned £10000, then discovered about the counter, would you hand the commission back? 2) I agree with those who say if they lie to you early on then you cant really beleive them down the line etc. However many non marketing people will fall for the trick and sign up to this instead of signing up with a straight up honest sales page tactic type website..... so whats the solution to that? the tactic works and unless the clients are reading this thread, they arent going to know theyve been misled. .. so the dishonest approach wins. is it any different to saying there are only 88 training manuals left, crossing that thru and putting 56, crossing that thru and putting 22 etc when in fact theres unlimited downloads available, a tactic used by many and for a long time? Me I think it sucks but at the same time it does it's job and people don't fall for the old style of stating theres only a few left so order now.
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2Quick HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 186 Thanks: 113 Thanked 28 Times in 25 Posts	Re: Are There Really Just 82 seats left??...(VERY Sneaky) Well of course you have an Excuse! Does not work for me! And bringing up all these accolades is rediculous, bigtime! Your successes have nothing to do with this issue, since we are speaking out about dishonesty here, not whether or not what you teach or sell is Good Stuff or not. This tactic is used all the time by your kind, and you knew exactly what was going on here, you kidding me? Jeff

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iw I'm a Nomad War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Rainforest Posts: 121 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 28 Thanked 16 Times in 12 Posts	Re: Are There Really Just 82 seats left??...(VERY Sneaky) No doubt that counter is not real, we have this thread because we know it's faked. But there are many people out there that didn't know about the counter and I believed it has psychologically triggered them to pull the credit card from their wallet.

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08-24-2009, 09:22 AM	#174
Ram HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: , , . Posts: 435 Thanks: 73 Thanked 74 Times in 45 Posts	Re: Are There Really Just 82 seats left??...(VERY Sneaky) Can't count the number of times I've made mistakes -- or just plain royally screwed up -- in my marketing career, online and offline. Bet I'll make some more before I'm done. Learned from them, though. This was no big deal. If that's the worst Anik ever does, then he's a saint. From his affiliate manager's explanation, it seems like it was nothing more than a misstep and has been corrected. Too many around here are quick to condemn and seem a bit holier than thou. Screw ups happen. Boneheaded moves happen. Being just plain wrong happens. Regrets happen. And if you spend any time in this biz you will experience all of the above. Deal. Learn. Move on. This was nothing.