Are There Really Just 82 seats left??...(VERY Sneaky)

[JaniG]

Hey guys,

i know this thread may be a little Controversial, but im gonna go ahead.

I just got a message from Anik Singal about his new affiliate classroom offer.

The YouTube $325,789 Secret...

One funny thing i saw on the page while watching the video was that he had a little script
at the bottom saying how many seats there were left.

It started at like 600, then by the time i was at the end of the video, it went down to like 82!

if you go to the site i guarantee it will show more then 82

look at the picture below:



But the funny thing is, when i asked my friend to check out the site, he told me that it said there were 599 seat left! lol...

Which means its a fake script pretending that the seats are almost gone...

My question to you is this:

Do you think this is a little to sneaky and dis honest ?

or do you think its a great marketing strategy ?

i mean it probably is great for getting people to take action...

BUT

in the IM niche, many of us know that these type of scripts are fake and are not real time stats.

Whats your opinion ?

Jani

[Jeff Usher]

Yes, it's dishonest as it is giving the visitor false and misleading information regarding the availability of their product.

However, ask any marketing expert here and they will tell you it's a clever marketing ploy designed to to encourage people to take action.

Depends which side of the fence you're on, customer or marketer !

Jeff

[Shaun Lee]

It shows 650+ seats left when I visit the link. BUSTED.

But if I could do this, I would. I just don't know how lol.

[JaniG]

Originally Posted by Jeff Usher

Yes, it's dishonest as it is giving the visitor false and misleading information regarding the availability of their product.

However, ask any marketing expert here and they will tell you it's a clever marketing ploy designed to to encourage people to take action.

Depends which side of the fence you're on, customer or marketer !

Jeff

Yes i agree it is a great way to get people to take action.

and as a marketer i can see how it can help make more sales etc...

i guess thats marketing

[Danny Turner]

mmm perhaps some are fooled - those posting here were not - how important is credibility?
how can I believe anything these people say after viewing deceitful tactics on home page?

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

As a copywriter as well as a site owner with my own products I have mixed feelings about this one. I don't believe I would use it myself, but I would that choice up to my clients as what they will do.

[Shaun OReilly]

This is 100% flat out dishonest.

Period.

Someone who's prepared to LIE to you on the first page for
a measly dollar offer cannot be trusted thereafter.

I guess that some 'marketers' will do anything for a buck -
literally.

I don't give two hoots if it increases sales or pushes up
response - short-term.

What about the relationship with prospects and customers?

What do these downright dishonest tactics do to your trust
and credibility levels in the marketplace?

Yes - I'm a marketer - but I also have standards and an internal
code of ethics that I use before using particular marketing
'strategies.'

This is on my DO NOT USE list for me along with OTOs
and other sleazy 'car salesman' tactics.

The bottom line is not the only bottom line.

Dedicated to your success,

Shaun

[Brad Gosse]

Only 654 Seats Left... better hurry LOL

[EndGame]

I guess we could just sigh and say "I guess thats marketing" and I am sure there will be a number of people who come on the thread and say "hey man, instead of bitching, take action and try and learn from him etc etc" but it really doesn't sit well with me.

If marketing is lying (and this is in my opinion) then I am sure I could be the best marketer in the World with more practice.

I think I echo Shaun's sentiments when I say, if they are prepared to decieve at that early stage on the salespage, have they decieved me about other things? Are their claims true etc? I wouldn't buy from them based on that technique alone.

All I say is just my opinion. And like buttholes, everyone has got one. But this really doesn't sit well with me and it's not something I would do and encourage. And if this industry were to be more regulated, I suspect this is something that wouldn't go down well either.

[JayXtreme]

I think it's pathetic...

Nothing less than I would expect from that site though. I mean c'mon.. in an industry where we constantly dissect the marketing and strategy of our peers, how on Earth do these people think they will still pull tricks?...

roflmao..

If I had a more vested interest, it'd probably make me angry. As it stands I think it's just pathetically hilarious, I can get on with my thing.. safe in the knowledge that all is good in my funnel!

Peace

Jay

[JazzOscar]

Originally Posted by teamfire

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Do you think this is a little to sneaky and dis honest ?
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Yes.

Originally Posted by teamfire

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or do you think its a great marketing strategy ?
-----

Originally Posted by teamfire

Yes i agree it is a great way to get people to take action.

and as a marketer i can see how it can help make more sales etc...

i guess thats marketing

Yes, it's deceitful marketing.

Makes me lose some of the respect I otherwise might have for the marketer who does this. Also makes me wonder what other parts of the truth he/she takes easy upon.

Marketers doing this at least makes it easier for the ethically minded amongst us to decide who not to follow/buy from/subscribe to.

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Jeff Usher

However, ask any marketing expert here and they will tell you it's a clever marketing ploy designed to to encourage people to take action.

Wrong.

I challenge you to find one legitimate marketing expert who would think that.

[MarkWrites]

This is actually a very good lesson for everyone. If you read through the responses here, many have made the comment that if I am being lied to on this first page, what else am I being lied to about and I completely agree.

The personal application I see here is that I can do everything 100% correct and on the up and up in my business for years and years. But, if I try to take the easy road and be deceitful just once, it could do serious damage to everything I've built up.

Ethical marketing is very important, but beyond that it should be plain to every serious business person out there that, even if you don't have a problem with the right vs. wrong aspect, it just doesn't make good business sense to be dishonest or deceitful.

[Jim Phillips]

Hi Jani,

It all depends in their marketing plan.

Are they using different techniques to create a buzz? Are they showing a preview of some techniques that have been used and tested that have proven to be valuable? Who knows what valuable content they might offer in their affiliate class.

Personally I'd like to learn as many leading edge techniques as possible.

Sometimes great ideas used properly can bring greater results.

The sex industry online would use many advance marketing forms to draw consumers into their sites. Many of their ideas, used in scripts, were very valuable in building massive mailing lists.

My thought is to learn and test. Adapt it to your marketing plans... if it proves valuable for you... use it.

As far as salesletters. Think how many of those stories are actually fiction or non fiction. They draw a picture in your mind. Painting a pretty picture helps our minds see what we want and then take action.

Girls in beer commercials.

Sure do sell a lot of beer.

How many drunks wake up in the morning with a beautiful girl next to them?

Best Regards,

Jim

PS. Think of all the javascripts being used to show todays date. Even though the salesletter is 2 years old.

Does it hurt or help the content?

How about the exit popover that offers $20.00 dollars off if you purchase now. Is that a slap in the face to those who purchased first?

What about the chat desk scripts that offer money off if you click here now? Is it being deceitful? Where's the live chat person? Or is it just another marketing technique to make the sale?

[ecoverartist]

If you have to lie to get people to take action, you're doing it wrong.

[Jeff Usher]

Wrong. I challenge you to find one legitimate marketing expert who would think that

Lance,

There are people out there now looking at and ripping the source code as we speak. We may not like it, we may not approve of it, but I can guarantee a few are doing it.

Jeff

[Andyhenry]

I agree with the sentiment that it's blatantly a lie if a script is creating false scarcity under the disguise of a real limitation.

However, I don't think Anik is a dishonest person and probably had someone set this up for him who just thought it was a cool thing to do.

Anik's one of IMs real success stories. I remember when he was just a kid running around the forums posting about everything and wondering how to be successful.

He now IS successful and is considered by many under the title Guru.

So, although I'm not defending this particular strategy - I think a lot of beginners to IM could do much worse than learn from him.

I met him last at a seminar and he's completely focused on his IM business and growing it. He's a professional guy and I'm sure he would be horrified to see such comments about him because of this script being used on one sales page. It does reflect badly, but don't dismiss him out of hand as he really is an example of a young guy making it in IM.

Andy

[crissanteiro]

I never pay attention to that. I just know they are lying. It is just a scarcity marketing tactic. Dishonest, yes, but I think lots of marketers use it. Just beware, there is probably no scarcity, and they are dying for you to buy their product!

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Shaun OReilly

This is 100% flat out dishonest.

Period.

Clearly.

In the UK this would be prosecutable under the Theft Acts for "attempting to obtain a pecuniary advantage by deception". I'm not saying it would necessarily actually be prosecuted, unless there were a huge number of complaints about it or whatever, but it's obviously dishonest.

Unfortunately, this type of behaviour, in the long run, reflects badly on all of us, as it tarnishes our collective image in the public perception of "internet marketers".

We should all do more than we do to try to publicise and prevent it, otherwise we'll just end up with more regulators and more regulatory powers to be used against us.

And then people wonder why the FTC is getting more officious and now even starting to look at people's blogs, and so on!!

And the ultimate irony is that pretty often the people doing this are the very ones you hear most often complaining about "interfering regulators" and "nanny statism" and so on, when they're the people causing the problems in the first place!!

[JazzOscar]

Originally Posted by Jim Phillips

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As far as salesletters. Think how many of those stories are actually fiction or non fiction. They draw a picture in your mind. Painting a pretty picture helps our minds see what we want and then take action.

Girls in beer commercials.

Sure do sell a lot of beer.

How many drunks wake up in the morning with a beautiful girl next to them? -----

Most people know that the truth percentage of marketing stories may be so and so, whether you like it or not.

What makes lying about spots left for some opportunity far worse then the above, at least in my opinion, is that you lie about something that is easily perceived as very exact. The product that is sold may be a good and interesting product, and someone might just go ahead and by it ahead of taking due time to think about if he/she really needs the product just because they panic. Then they've been deceived. Scarcity is ok if it's real, false scarcity is deceit.

Originally Posted by Jim Phillips

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How about the exit popover that offers $20.00 dollars off if you purchase now. Is that a slap in the face to those who purchased first?-----

It might be a slap in the face. The customer may be furious and he might feel that he's been taken advantage of. He has not been deceived though. He was offered a product at a given price and entered into a contract with the seller based on that price. Offering a lower price at a later point my be both distasteful and annoying to the customer that has just bought, but it isn't deceit.

Originally Posted by Jim Phillips

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What about the chat desk scripts that offer money off if you click here now? Is it being deceitful? Where's the live chat person? Or is it just another marketing technique to make the sale?-----

Calling it a live chat might be a little deceitful. However, at least in the IM niche, most people understand that it isn't really live. Not quite ok though.

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Jeff Usher

Lance,

There are people out there now looking at and ripping the source code as we speak. We may not like it, we may not approve of it, but I can guarantee a few are doing it.

Jeff

Of course they are.

But that doesn't make them a marketing expert.

[MizzCindy]

Looks slimy to me. He may have the most cutting-edge, valuable information available, but if I can't trust him I won't willingly give him my money. Tactics like this build distrust and create hesitation.

If he has become successful by selling to other marketers...and wishes to continue doing so...he should zealously guard his reputation and not use deceit as a marketing tool.

I'm all for exploiting every advantage, but there's a difference between doing that and being outright misleading.

Cindy

[Raydal]

I certainly don't subscribe to FALSE SCARCITY tactics to
get people to buy ... BUT

On the other side of the coin, if you bought from me ONLY
because you thought it was the only one left am I to blame?

Should the main reason to get any product be the limited availability?

So you bought a "limited" product and found out that there is really more
available, does this reduce the value of the product for you?

-Ray Edwards

[MizzCindy]

For me, yes, it would reduce my perception of the product's value. Even more importantly, it would reduce my perception of value as it relates to every other product you (general you) currently offer or develop in the future.

Trick me once, shame on you. Trick me twice, shame on me.

Cindy

Originally Posted by Raydal

I certainly don't subscribe to FALSE SCARCITY tactics to
get people to buy ... BUT

On the other side of the coin, if you bought from me ONLY
because you thought it was the only one left am I to blame?

Should the main reason to get any product be the limited availability?

So you bought a "limited" product and found out that there is really more
available, does this reduce the value of the product for you?

-Ray Edwards

[James Schramko]

It is total bull****.

And the shame is that people a) do it and b) fall for it ....

amazing.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

This is an ABSOLUTELY GREAT METHOD to kill your credibility with a potential buyer.

[Kelly Verge]

This isn't just manufactured scarcity, it's also manufactured social proof.

If it were just a scarcity issue, it would be no different than the fake countdown timer or the "this is the ONLY TIME you'll ever see this offer" pages.

The moving bar/number says, "look at all the other people who are buying." That's really why it feels more dishonest.

[AmyBrown]

Originally Posted by Raydal

So you bought a "limited" product and found out that there is really more
available, does this reduce the value of the product for you?

-Ray Edwards

It does. The fact that I was lied to in the sales process affects my ability to trust the information contained in the product. If a marketer is willing to cross the line for the sale then I don't know what other liberties they've taken in terms of the method they're teaching.

[ExRat]

Hi,

Amateurish and scuzzy. What a sleaze.

Hi Jim,

Personally I'd like to learn as many leading edge techniques as possible.

Nothing to see here....move along!

Hi Ray,

On the other side of the coin, if you bought from me ONLY
because you thought it was the only one left am I to blame?

Should the main reason to get any product be the limited availability?

That's totally irrelevant. I doubt that anyone would buy ONLY because of the fake scarcity. It's more likely that there would be many reasons for them to buy, and the scarcity would be one of them - hence they would be deceived.

[JoshuaWriter]

I cant stand when marketers do things like this.

Scripts like those order countdown timers are a big LIE and marketers need to learn that they can still make money without using cheap tactics like that. And if they cant, they need to find another job becuase lying to your visitors is NOT the way to go.

Remember, you can ALWAYS convert visitors in buyers without using cheap tactics like this, you need to test and keep trying different things but don't become another guru who is only concerned about the money and not about his visitors and customers.

[TiffanyDow]

Shaun OMG your post is the best reply I've read to anything in a long time. I am reading it to my customers in today's vlog. It is SO important that they see others believe in not using trickery to build a list or grab a buck.

Thank you!!

[JazzOscar]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

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However, I don't think Anik is a dishonest person and probably had someone set this up for him who just thought it was a cool thing to do.-----

Yes, that's probably the case. However, when someone has economic success, he/she should also have the resources to employ someone to follow up on things like this, avoiding some of the pitfalls. You shouldn't just outsource things, losing your grip on the end product.

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

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I met him last at a seminar and he's completely focused on his IM business and growing it. He's a professional guy and I'm sure he would be horrified to see such comments about him because of this script being used on one sales page. It does reflect badly, but don't dismiss him out of hand as he really is an example of a young guy making it in IM.-----

I know there's much to learn from Anik when it comes to the tricks of the trade. I'm one of his earlier customers.

However, when it comes to business systems, I feel he still has some way to go. I feel that, even if the products themselves may be very good, many of his launches are surrounded by to much unclearness, technical problems and lack of customer communication.

[yourreviewer]

This tactic is just as dishonest as IMers writing false reviews on products they don't know, haven't used and don't even care. As many Fat Loss 4 Idiots reviews you may have, you know how many among them are genuine.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

It depends on whether or not you want to find a one-time "buyer" or build a relationship with a "loyal customer".

[Martin Luxton]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

However, I don't think Anik is a dishonest person and probably had someone set this up for him who just thought it was a cool thing to do.
Andy

Andy,

I have to respectfully disagree with you. How can he outright lie and not be dishonest?

Martin

[Swastik]

I'd never lie to someone I'd like to do business with.

This thing is downright dishonest. It's a shame that some 'marketers' have to resort to such tactics.

[rego]

Hello

This situation reminds me when I was looking for an appartment to buy... I looked for a lot of appartments and most of the agents told me that they had a lot of people interested and that they were going to sell the appartment to the first person who shows up with the entrance fee.

Well, one year later most of the appartments hadn't been sold.

So, from my point of view, we have to look at this just as a marketing strategy which main goal is to "force" people to make a decision. And this way, the marketer will get 1 of 4 things:

1 - people will get the product/program because they like it
2 - people will get the product/program because it's better to keep it than lose a fantastic opportunity
3 - people will not get the program, because they don't want to
4 - people will not get the program at that time, but they will lose their sleep thinking about the fantastic opportunity they might have lost... and most of them will run to buy the product!

If we look at this as a lie or unethical, almost everything that surround us probably is also.

People always have the option to choose!

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by Martin Luxton

Andy,

I have to respectfully disagree with you. How can he outright lie and not be dishonest?

Martin

Hi Martin,

I think the point that makes the difference is - I imagine he probably didn't create this page himself but had someone do it for him. He may not even know there's a fake counter on there.

Since I don't KNOW - I'm not prepared to string him up for it.

But I do understand why people would and they may be right, I've just seen so many honest mistakes made and people flamed for things that weren't the underhanded sleazy tactics that people assumed - Anik seems like a good guy so I'm inclined to play devils advocate and start from a position on the positive side of the fence.

Andy

[Jim Phillips]

Dishonesty is dishonesty in the eye of the beholder. I'm very conservative. But I know some people who think morals are without consequence.

If I'm not a collector in collectables the scarcity of an item shouldn't add to the equation if I'm thinking about buying something.

As real as, "This special price will increase soon." Yet it is still there a year later.

"We only have 4 more left... Hurry buy now!"

Whatever happened to the slogan? "Buyer beware."

If the product is a piece of doo doo then you get a refund. No harm done.

I've seen so many different marketing techniques over the years maybe I've become numb.

Just my thoughts. As far as on my scale of social injustice. A screwed up count script (being used as a CTA) is very low on the totem pole than is "intentionally misrepresenting a product".

Best Regards,

Jim

[Martin Luxton]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Hi Martin,

I think the point that makes the difference is - I imagine he probably didn't create this page himself but had someone do it for him. He may not even know there's a fake counter on there.

Since I don't KNOW - I'm not prepared to string him up for it.

But I do understand why people would and they may be right, I've just seen so many honest mistakes made and people flamed for things that weren't the underhanded sleazy tactics that people assumed - Anik seems like a good guy so I'm inclined to play devils advocate and start from a position on the positive side of the fence.

Andy

Andy,

I accept that people can make honest mistakes but surely if Anik outsourced the video he must have given the person very clear specs.
He would be stupid to say "Make the video and put on it whatever you think will create urgency".

Martin

[Jo_Shua]

My take on scarcity tactics is they better be legit. If you make a certain number of spots available, cut sales off. If you make a OTO available, make it offer ONLY once.

Marketers that practice in FALSE scarcity tactics lose two things. Potential repeat customers, and new customers -- which equates to LOST earnings. Sure, they may make hundreds or thousands of sales on the product, but in the long run they LOSE out on more.

Example, if a marketer holds true to his 50 spots only limitation... And, when it is shut down because all spots are taken, then PAYING customers will respect him and future POTENTIAL customers will respect him.

This will lead to a fast sell-out of his future products that offer a limited amount of spots available... and a long list of DROOLING prospects wishing they had clicked faster causing them to be on the look out for your next email EAGER to click and buy BEFORE they read the entire sales letter...

Why?

Because they know you WILL shut down orders as soon as the spots are taken. (same goes for OTO)


JC

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Hi Martin,

I think the point that makes the difference is - I imagine he probably didn't create this page himself but had someone do it for him. He may not even know there's a fake counter on there.

Since I don't KNOW - I'm not prepared to string him up for it.

But I do understand why people would and they may be right, I've just seen so many honest mistakes made and people flamed for things that weren't the underhanded sleazy tactics that people assumed - Anik seems like a good guy so I'm inclined to play devils advocate and start from a position on the positive side of the fence.

Andy

[Chris Thompson]

It is a 100% flat out lie. I have no time for people who do this. On my own sales page I suggest that I might be raising the price, and it's true. I'm considering this as a testing option. I also present a free listen to a couple of tracks in my course and present a one-time-offer discount. It's a real discount and a real Javascript timer that removes the sale when the timer is done. It can probably be circumvented easily, but it is intended as REAL.

I'm not impressed with what this guy is doing. 100% not true = a big lie.

[mr2monster]

Originally Posted by Jim Phillips

Hi Jani,

It all depends in their marketing plan.

Are they using different techniques to create a buzz? Are they showing a preview of some techniques that have been used and tested that have proven to be valuable? Who knows what valuable content they might offer in their affiliate class.

Personally I'd like to learn as many leading edge techniques as possible.

Sometimes great ideas used properly can bring greater results.

The sex industry online would use many advance marketing forms to draw consumers into their sites. Many of their ideas, used in scripts, were very valuable in building massive mailing lists.

My thought is to learn and test. Adapt it to your marketing plans... if it proves valuable for you... use it.

As far as salesletters. Think how many of those stories are actually fiction or non fiction. They draw a picture in your mind. Painting a pretty picture helps our minds see what we want and then take action.

Girls in beer commercials.

Sure do sell a lot of beer.

How many drunks wake up in the morning with a beautiful girl next to them?

Best Regards,

Jim

PS. Think of all the javascripts being used to show todays date. Even though the salesletter is 2 years old.

Does it hurt or help the content?

How about the exit popover that offers $20.00 dollars off if you purchase now. Is that a slap in the face to those who purchased first?

What about the chat desk scripts that offer money off if you click here now? Is it being deceitful? Where's the live chat person? Or is it just another marketing technique to make the sale?

I'm wondering how many of the people bitching about this being slimy, are using scripts to change the date to today's date...


It's the same principle. Small lie to change perception of the end user to get a desired effect. Period. The End.

[Raydal]

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Ray,

That's totally irrelevant. I doubt that anyone would buy ONLY because of the fake scarcity. It's more likely that there would be many reasons for them to buy, and the scarcity would be one of them - hence they would be deceived.

I think I gave a hint when I said "on the other side of the coin".
It's obvious I wasn't on the same side of the coin?

If scarcity wasn't such a strong motivation to buy then no one would
complain of it's misuse.

-Ray Edwards

[CDarklock]

I would never do this.

I don't care how much more money it would make me. I simply don't want the money that much.

I shouldn't need to lie to my customers. Ever.

[AmyBrown]

Originally Posted by mr2monster

I'm wondering how many of the people bitching about this being slimy, are using scripts to change the date to today's date...


It's the same principle. Small lie to change perception of the end user to get a desired effect. Period. The End.

When do small lies become big lies? Am I to believe that you do represent a law firm as represented in your signature, or is that a small lie to change the perception of your loan mod site? This is the type of credibility issue that comes into play when you start with "small" lies.

One good thing about these type of threads is that it eliminates potential jv partners and will save me on some WSOs

[ExRat]

Hi Mr2monster,

I'm wondering how many of the people bitching about this being slimy, are using scripts to change the date to today's date...


It's the same principle. Small lie to change perception of the end user to get a desired effect. Period. The End.

It might be the same 'principle', depending on how you choose to define a principle - but regardless, it's still not the same thing. Hence your 'Period. End.' assertion is incorrect.

Analogy -

guy a) lies to his girlfriend that he has to visit his mother, in order that he can drink beer and watch football with his mates - he believes it will cause issues if he is honest.

guy b) lies to his girlfriend that he has to visit his mother, in order that he can sleep with his girlfriend's best friend

Same principle - he's lying and deceiving in order to not have to answer for his actions.

Different kettle of fish entirely though - no period, no end.

Hi Ray,

I think I gave a hint when I said "on the other side of the coin".
It's obvious I wasn't on the same side of the coin?

I still don't see how that makes it relevant to this discussion?

If scarcity wasn't such a strong motivation to buy then no one would complain of it's misuse.

I also don't understand why you think that this is relevant, either. As has been mentioned above, some of us feel that by using such a sloppy and obvious tactic (in combination with all of the others who do similar), he is bringing the industry into disrepute and inviting the arrival of heavy-handed regulators.

Regardless, just because something causes a strong motivation to buy, that in itself does not justify unethical practices or taking it to the extreme. There is a world of difference between professional persuasion and amateur deception - we know that you know this! Perhaps I've got the wrong end of the stick here, regarding your comments...

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Hi Martin,

I think the point that makes the difference is - I imagine he probably didn't create this page himself but had someone do it for him. He may not even know there's a fake counter on there.

Since I don't KNOW - I'm not prepared to string him up for it.

But I do understand why people would and they may be right, I've just seen so many honest mistakes made and people flamed for things that weren't the underhanded sleazy tactics that people assumed - Anik seems like a good guy so I'm inclined to play devils advocate and start from a position on the positive side of the fence.

Andy

While I see where you are coming from here in your attempt to be generous, I must state that it is completely the business owner's responsibility to ensure that everything -- EVERYTHING -- put out under their trade name is legitimate, legal, and above board.

Whether it was personally reviewed or not is irrelevant. Therefore it is either approved and dishonest, or unapproved and careless. Either way, unacceptable IMO.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Raydal

So you bought a "limited" product and found out that there is really more available, does this reduce the value of the product for you?

Yes, probably.

It means I know the vendor's a liar, and that normally devalues the product to me, at least to some extent.

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by mr2monster

I'm wondering how many of the people bitching about this being slimy, are using scripts to change the date to today's date...


It's the same principle. Small lie to change perception of the end user to get a desired effect. Period. The End.

Why? Is it not really today?