If after X "hop clicks" I don't get any sale, should I stop promoting this product?

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Hello warriors!! One more time I'm here around.

This time my question might be a little bit broad but I think it will be very useful not only for me but for many other warriors.

How many "hop clicks" or links should be more or less the threshold to start thinking in stop promoting a product of I didn't get any sale so far?

I'm talking about well known digital products with an average commission of around $20.

The thing is that I am promoting a product with more than 200 clicks and it didn't get any sale yet.

Then I have other products with around 30 clicks and no sale either.

I total between all the products is around 400 clicks a zero sales.

These products are things like Long Tail Pro and similar.

Any thoughts on that? Thank you
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  • Profile picture of the author danieldesai
    This could be for several reasons.

    Here are 2:

    - The traffic is just "browsing", meaning they just clicked your affiliate links out of curiosity but aren't necessarily looking for the solutions that those products provide.

    - The traffic isn't "warm" enough yet, it's very hard to make much sales today without building an email list and building a relationship with those subscribers.

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    • Profile picture of the author Francisco PIW
      Originally Posted by danieldesai View Post

      This could be for several reasons.

      Here are 2:

      - The traffic is just "browsing", meaning they just clicked your affiliate links out of curiosity but aren't necessarily looking for the solutions that those products provide.

      - The traffic isn't "warm" enough yet, it's very hard to make much sales today without building an email list and building a relationship with those subscribers.

      Daniel
      Thank you very much for your answer. The list is very important.

      Any guess about how many people do I need to have in my list to have a profitable business?
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      • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        If you have 400 clicks on your hoplink and no sales, it doesn't mean you should stop promoting the product.
        I'll add, this is actually encouraging if you are getting clicks going somewhere.

        You are doing something right.

        Time to start tweeking.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
          Originally Posted by Francisco PIW View Post


          Any guess about how many people do I need to have in my list to have a profitable business?
          It's not about size.

          It's about the quality of the list, and if they have money, and if they are willing to part with it, and if you can convince them that you are the go to source that they should trust to show them how to part with their money.

          I'll take a list of 5 proven buyers any day over a list of 2,000 that never open my emails.
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          • Profile picture of the author Francisco PIW
            Originally Posted by Jill Carpenter View Post

            It's not about size.

            It's about the quality of the list, and if they have money, and if they are willing to part with it, and if you can convince them that you are the go to source that they should trust to show them how to part with their money.

            I'll take a list of 5 proven buyers any day over a list of 2,000 that never open my emails.
            But I guess my 60 subscribers list who subscribed most likely because I was giving a free guide about "How to choose the right niche is 3 steps" is not big enough, am I right?
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            • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
              Originally Posted by Francisco PIW View Post

              But I guess my 60 subscribers list who subscribed most likely because I was giving a free guide about "How to choose the right niche is 3 steps" is not big enough, am I right?
              What have you tried selling them?

              And yes, they likely gave you an email address because you did give them something.

              You need to be sending them somewhat regular emails, then tracking who is opening and clicking on links in those emails.

              And if you get a bunch that don't open them after a certain amount of time then you need to excuse them from the list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Avpol
    1) The traffic should be targeted enough and 2) yes, nowadays, money is in the list (according to statistics, most people buy a product THE FOURTH TIME they see the respective advertisement).
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    If you have 400 clicks on your hoplink and no sales, it doesn't mean you should stop promoting the product.

    It does mean that you should stop and look at the way you are promoting it. So far, what you are doing is not working.

    Try something different. Maybe a different traffic source. Or a new angle on a presell. Frame the product differently.

    Bottom line, it's time to change something.

    Keep doing what you are doing, and you'll keep getting what you are getting.
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  • Profile picture of the author eddywaco
    Thanks Op and Jill. Find myself in the same situation and have learnt a lot from the advice given here. It just corroborate what an learning from the affiliate blackbook currently. It basically talks about being an interceptor and not just a conduit
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  • Profile picture of the author Engineer2Blogger
    If you're driving 100 (targeted) visitors to your LP and seeing no sales, I'd move on unless you're getting dirt cheap clicks.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
    Originally Posted by Francisco PIW View Post

    Hello warriors!! One more time I'm here around.

    This time my question might be a little bit broad but I think it will be very useful not only for me but for many other warriors.

    How many "hop clicks" or links should be more or less the threshold to start thinking in stop promoting a product of I didn't get any sale so far?

    I'm talking about well known digital products with an average commission of around $20.

    The thing is that I am promoting a product with more than 200 clicks and it didn't get any sale yet.

    Then I have other products with around 30 clicks and no sale either.

    I total between all the products is around 400 clicks a zero sales.

    These products are things like Long Tail Pro and similar.

    Any thoughts on that? Thank you

    OK so a couple ways of thinking about this.

    1 > you don't have enough traffic to say either way.

    This is my opinion. You just don't. 200, 400, that isn't enough.

    Especially since we don't really know a whole lot about the quality of your traffic source. Sure, they signed up for a thing...that doesn't mean much to me.

    So now it comes down to:

    2 > you need to concentrate on the numbers.

    Now having a $20 front end is fine, but if that's where your funnel ends you're in trouble.

    Why? That $20 simply isn't going to let you get enough "at bat"s to hit the revenue target you need.

    Look at your average cost per click.

    Divide 20 by that and that's how many clicks you can afford to break even.

    If you're relying entirely on $20 sales to make your money, you're in trouble...you won't get enough clicks unless they're lower than say $0.20 AND your machine is ticking along.

    Which it isn't...yet.

    Jill is right about you having the beginning of something. You have some action.

    Now you need to get conversions.

    But back to my point. What would happen if you added in a $100 back end product?

    Conservatively estimate that 1 in 10 buyers of the front end product get this one as well, and suddenly you can afford an additional $10 worth of clicks to break even right away.

    And once you start getting real data from conversions, you'll know with greater clarity what this figure truly is.

    Look--all the pro marketers will tell you the key is to get ONE offer converting. If you hop from thing to thing, without optimizing, you'll never get anywhere. You probably do have to take a hit at the beginning, while you figure out the reality of your numbers and generate your baseline. But once you have a steady conversion rate, then you'll know what you can spend and where to put your effort.

    Reality right now comes in from the cost of your clicks.

    If each click is costing you $1, then it's probably time to bale out. Especially if you don't have a back end moneymaker in place.

    If clicks are $0.10 apiece and you have a back end $297 product with a conservative 1/10 conversion, then you can stick around awhile because each sale is worth about $50. You can let say 1000 clicks go through to discover the truth of what's going on.

    Most people give up too soon. We know this. Don't be skittish, but do be rational.
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  • Profile picture of the author reachintan
    Hi there,


    In affiliate marketing, you can expect only 1% success rate.

    Have a strong blog in place with loads of informative content attracting a huge section of relevant readers and you ultimately cracking sales.

    If you want more info, you can get back to me.


    Regards,
    Chintan
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    • Profile picture of the author Jason Kanigan
      Originally Posted by reachintan View Post

      In affiliate marketing, you can expect only 1% success rate.
      When you have found your baseline, yes.

      Everyone focuses on 2% as a conversion figure, but that is an "after we've figured this out a bit" target...when a source of qualified leads has been identified, and sufficient test traffic has run through the funnel to demonstrate consistent conversions.

      And 2 sales are not a conversion.

      At the 1% rate, if it were true, we'd expect the OP to have had 2 to 4 sales by now. He has not. That's because he hasn't found the baseline for this funnel yet.

      As I said above, we don't know how many visitors it'll take to get that first sale. It will likely be the highest number, though. Odds are it'll be somewhere within the first few sales, because nothing is optimized yet. That's good news though, because it means this is the worst.

      But you can't say "It took 800 clicks to get my first sale; therefore, conversion is 1/8th of 1%." That's not a baseline because it's not consistent. You have to see the second, third, fourth sales and their numbers to know. So when you discover 4 sales out of 1600 clicks = 0.25% conversion, now you have something. Yes, it's "awful," but is it profitable? Is there a road to profitability? Are you making money at 0.25% conversion? What if you could get the conversion rate to 1 in 300 instead of 400; would that make a difference...would you hit profitability there?

      My earlier posts discuss finding the breakeven or profitability point. That's where to put your attention. If it's totally out of reach, essentially because even if you had the budget to get sales, it just would never be profitable or it's too hard to hit the number, then you know to drop it.
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