Something is not quite right and I don't know what ... or why.

by 4w0nr4
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I'm not sure if this is the right section for this post and I apologize if that not the case.

So, I have this site which I am trying to build as an authority site for the last 4 years, in Cyber Security 'niche' - if you can call it that way.

The site is anchored in area in which I work ( and like to work in ) and I don't mind occasionally posting various stuff from my field. My posting habits are.. sane. Sometimes I post a few times a day and sometimes a couple times a week (60%). I am also actively developing (programming and designing ) a new social network like extension for my site which will allow users to submit content and news and do many other things too.

I have ~1200 posts which get ~185K visits a month, out of which ~60% are new visitors and ~40% are returning visitors ( according to gAnalytics ). Visitors habits vary, but they usually spend, on average ~11 min on the site with bounce rate of ~9% and ~55% exits.

The look of the site is good, with OK ad spaces. Not the best possible but better than 85% of other sites. Back-end is under my control too, so site speed, load balancing, CDNs etc have similar success percentage ratio like previous statistic ( ie. faster than 85%-90% other sites out in the wild). The cost of running my space is low, below $100. I do all the technical work and all optimizations so this is expected.

The site is also semi-SEO optimized. I don't lose sleep over SEO/SERP optimization and depending on which service I ask, my SEO score is 75% SEO optimized and higher. I'm not ranked as good as I would like to, but I am confident that my rank will improve over time and I'm not worried about that. I don't buy traffic or spend any money on marketing, advertising, seo professionals or other bullish artists. I am what you would call 100% natural and I get 100% organic traffic. I'm not sure if I can consider social traffic organic. I get ~20% of the traffic from social networks, ~35% direct and ~40% from google search - US. The remaining percentage is.. 'the rest'.

The topics that I cover are not 'generic', but more focused on developers, programmers and people who like (and live) computer science. Smart people. These users are usually very technically skillful with many years of experience. People who are not easy to fool around. Users to whom you cannot advertise new antivirus and expect to convert. I tried Over the years, I tried and tested many different ways of monetization for this type of traffic. I still do. I often switch around and reboot old tests just to see the difference in performance. I tried CPA, contextual, PPL, PPC, E-Lists any many many other things. To some extent I have made some progress but not as much as I would like to. These days I sell advertising space and use Adsense ( to some extent I also use CJ, LinkShare, ShareaSale and Amazon) . Adsense is getting ~$30-35/day while anything other than Amazon is not converting at all. HQ CPC, CPM programs are also too generic for the space I run. CPM are too annoying for my visitors and almost never 'targeted'. I would not mind annoying my users if they where at least related to the field. However this is almost never the case. I net, at this point ~$17K a year with my site after I take all expenses off - aprox. ~1K.

This may sound ok, and I am satisfied with the results but I've got a feeling from reading posts on this forum that the performance should be higher. I'm not sure if this traffic, performance and earnings are expected and/or normal ( although slightly lower because of the type of my site ) ? I would really appreciate any input and, apologies for not posting the URL.


Please do not message me or respond with sales offers (etc) since I'm not interested in that type of help and will not respond. I am here for constructive discussion.
  • Profile picture of the author luketr
    A product you could test on your audience is Lynda. Some quite serious developer (LINK) & IT (LINK) related training which may interest your audience.

    The commissions seem pretty good too (LINK).

    It would be nice if you could link some of the specific individual trainings up with particular posts on your site.
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  • Profile picture of the author Curtis2011
    Your traffic levels are excellent. You could potentially be making much more money from those traffic levels, depending on the opportunities available to you.

    One thing you can do for monetization ideas is to look at the Google Adsense ads that show up for your keywords. What type of products are other people selling to your audience? Try looking at those products and seeing if there is something that you could potentially sell as well.

    You could even contact companies in your niche and try to set up a lead generation deal. With high traffic like yours, you are in a good position to bargain with companies and offer them leads in exchange for money.
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    • Profile picture of the author 4w0nr4
      Thank you all for your input.

      Curtis2011:
      I am not focused on any specific keyword and I do some sort of keyword research... occasionally. All the keywords are related to the field and I have a pretty good feeling about the CPC. I am not specifically targeting any highest/lowest paying keyword or a keyword with highest/lowest traffic volume but I do use them. It is 'not uncommon' for my CPC to reach $10, $15 or $20 CPC. Most of the ads are related, if not all. Ad-sense is OK for me because I don't have to worry about the 'conversion' and most of my visitors probably just 'check out the offer' without buying anything, anyway. Instead of contacting companies I made a choice of selling Ad space. That way (again) I don't have to worry about conversion. I don't believe that I can convert more products in a month, economically speaking - compared to what I can charge for ad space. ( based on my statistical data )


      luketr:
      I did a test where I throw 500K impressions on Lynda, Udemi, Plural, Simplylearn, and many other platforms. I also throw the same number on various Certifications, training's and other learning related platforms. That's 500K each, not 500K in total. I would be embarrassed to tell you the number of conversions. The problem is, or at least how I see it, that most of my visitors are college, university graduates or they already have their certifications. Many already have accounts on those platforms. They move through IT and Security Conferences, talk there, etc. These people get certified ( or at least those with who I talk to ) before those learning platforms even became a thing. Some even create and hold lectures. I can't name names. Sorry. All the others, that just stumble upon those things are not converting for 'who know why' reason. I have a few theories but still.. converting a $999+ certification ( of even $399) is not something people buy every day. Realistically. It's a decision making process.
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