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Why Are People So Cruel On Here? lol

by Byron_Wells
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I hear you ask what you are talking about why are people so cruel on here.. I guess cruel is the wrong term to use, but at least it got you interested

You are sitting at your computer and you know to get your own name out there on the internet, not someone elses you need to have your own product.. Now you get people telling you that you cant do that because you have got limited knowledge but then you get told by other people that you can.. What a headache...

I am the first to admit that I am not a expert... Im not ashamed it... I am just a normal plain guy that is learning the net each and every day.. I have got limited knownledge in certains areas, i.e twitter. setting up a blog, etc, etc.. Not like the big time guru's you have been on the net for how many years, and have done this and that...

Should I not listen to people and just still go ahead a create a product and prove them all wrong? If the big gurus can do it, why cant I, the average joes??

It just with people keep telling you why should we buy from you when you have hardly got any knowledge in that area, just really puts a downer on you. I know they are here to help and I dont mind that, but you warriors know what I mean

I'm sure you have heard it before from your friends and family telling you that trying to make money online is impossible, get a real job you bum, etc, etc..

How do you get around the fact that you, I am unkown? Has never got a product to you name before.. Why would people buy an unkown name?

Or am I worrying too much??
#cruel #lol #people
  • Profile picture of the author Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter
    We all started somewhere. You're just like everyone else and we have all felt the way you do.

    Even now when I send out an email for a new promotion I get a few butterflies. Every product/promotion is a little piece of me. Will my list like it? Will they tell me it's crap? After 34 years in business and almost 10 online I still feel that way. It's not as intense as it was when I was just starting out, but it's still there.

    To get around the fact that you are an unknown do what all the "knowns" did--they just went out there and began promoting themselves and their product. It takes some balls to do it, and that's one reason why some people never will, but if you will do it you will be successful.

    If you get discouraged drop me an email. I may not look good in the uniform, but I'm still a good cheerleader.
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    • Profile picture of the author Loren Woirhaye
      most of us, me included, will struggle with self-defeating thought
      patterns.

      Who am I to tell people with MBAs and years of management
      experience how to market their stuff? Yet I do, and clients do
      listen, yet I almost have a twinge of guilt thinking "God, I'm just
      a guy who taught himself... "

      The thing is, Byron, is you need to be the first and most important
      voter in your constituency. Vote yourself into the circle of
      power - don't wait for some big shot to appoint you.

      ...and read books. The more you read the more you will be able
      to see yourself as somebody who really "gets it" - many people
      lack the discipline or love of literacy, but it's the most potent
      tool for self-improvement I've found. Have you read "Psycho-Cybernetics"?
      That's a good one for self-image issues. Mandatory
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by Loren Woirhaye View Post

        most of us, me included, will struggle with self-defeating thought
        patterns.

        Who am I to tell people with MBAs and years of management
        experience how to market their stuff? Yet I do, and clients do
        listen, yet I almost have a twinge of guilt thinking "God, I'm just
        a guy who taught himself... "

        The thing is, Byron, is you need to be the first and most important
        voter in your constituency. Vote yourself into the circle of
        power - don't wait for some big shot to appoint you.

        ...and read books. The more you read the more you will be able
        to see yourself as somebody who really "gets it" - many people
        lack the discipline or love of literacy, but it's the most potent
        tool for self-improvement I've found. Have you read "Psycho-Cybernetics"?
        That's a good one for self-image issues. Mandatory
        Much truth here my friend.

        If you think like a defeated person, then you are defeated and will behave accordingly.

        Be.

        Do.

        Have.
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      Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter View Post


      If you get discouraged drop me an email. I may not look good in the uniform, but I'm still a good cheerleader.
      http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...eeze-page.html

      Are we still on the sex theme here Kevin?


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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
    The trick, Byron, is to take what EVERYBODY says with a pinch of salt. Listen to people's advice, but forge your own path.

    Also, learn to listen with discernment. People have different opinions because...

    * they have different experiences in life than you
    * they have a different motivation than you
    * they have different knowledge.

    So, for example, the person who says, "You can never make money online" has probably never experienced it themselves. Who cares what they think, anyway? Of course you can make money online... people here are doing that everyday. Leave them to their opinion, while you get on with it!
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        • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          Byron, in the other thread, people were not trying to tell you NOT to create a product. They were telling you that you would not be very credible with the product idea that you had because how can you share how to do something that you have never done? You would have to be just rehashing other people's ideas and experience and that is not the way to build YOUR reputation.

          Why not go in a different direction and not get into the make money online niche - unless you have a way that is successful and you could share that. Instead, create a report or ebook about something you actually do have some experience in.

          Tina
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          That's where another problem lies.. I wouldnt say I was over experience in any department
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        • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
          Ah, see? The intent behind this OP was lost on me because I missed that other thread. Now I see what he's getting at with people telling him he can't do something. This shines a new light on his motivation for asking!



          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          Byron, in the other thread, people were not trying to tell you NOT to create a product. They were telling you that you would not be very credible with the product idea that you had because how can you share how to do something that you have never done? You would have to be just rehashing other people's ideas and experience and that is not the way to build YOUR reputation.

          Why not go in a different direction and not get into the make money online niche - unless you have a way that is successful and you could share that. Instead, create a report or ebook about something you actually do have some experience in.

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  • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
    I think there are two different issues here.

    One is the normal angst any new person feels about how to break into sales with a new product. You're looking for validation and support here at the forum and some of the constructive criticism can sting, even when it's well meant and dead spot on. If you want to succeed, you'll have to learn how to sift through what you need to pull out the relevant feedback and apply it.

    However, the second issue is an important one and should not be ignored. Don't run before you crawl. In your other thread, you stated you're doing your very first product and it will focus on how to do a product launch.

    This is akin to me (a complete layperson) going to a hospital and asking someone to give me a few pointers before I start operating on the hapless patients.

    Do you recognize the disconnect?

    Warriors are not trying to squish your dreams. They are giving you some much needed insight into how and why you should rethink your approach - both from a future potential customer satisfaction standpoint and from the generous desire to give you some honest guidance.

    Take it for what it's worth. (Hint - that advice is worth a lot!)

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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

      I think there are two different issues here.

      One is the normal angst any new person feels about how to break into sales with a new product. You're looking for validation and support here at the forum and some of the constructive criticism can sting, even when it's well meant and dead spot on. If you want to succeed, you'll have to learn how to sift through what you need to pull out the relevant feedback and apply it.

      However, the second issue is an important one and should not be ignored. Don't run before you crawl. In your other thread, you stated you're doing your very first product and it will focus on how to do a product launch.

      This is akin to me (a complete layperson) going to a hospital and asking someone to give me a few pointers before I start operating on the hapless patients.

      Do you recognize the disconnect?

      Warriors are not trying to squish your dreams. They are giving you some much needed insight into how and why you should rethink your approach - both from a future potential customer satisfaction standpoint and from the generous desire to give you some honest guidance.

      Take it for what it's worth. (Hint - that advice is worth a lot!)

      Cindy
      Cindy

      I do get where most people are coming from

      At the moment I am reading/watching tons and tons of material to do with product creation. Either a vidoe series explaining how to use plr material, another video show how to the pre launch process, etc..

      True if I am honest most of these are plr content.. But then I will be doing more and more research. That is why I have asked certain questions here, to get your guys opionons and thought.. Im researching and Reseaching at the moment..

      Ok I am not going to be like this Mike Filename (or whatever his surname is) the owner of Butterfly Marketing. But then again I wont be charging people $1000's of pounds to get the information...
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  • Profile picture of the author drmani
    Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

    How do you get around the fact that you, I am unkown? Has never
    got a product to you name before.. Why would people buy an
    unkown name?

    Or am I worrying too much??
    You remind me of ME - in 1997, when I launched my 1st ebook in the
    IM niche

    Your dilemma has one solution... a 4-letter word.

    T-I-M-E

    Don't worry too much about it. Go out and do your own thing. Prove
    'em wrong!

    But also realize that you (like I did) will fail at some attempts - though
    it doesn't mean the end of the world.

    And that it may take more effort, time and expense to see results - as
    contrasted against following a more 'proven' system.

    As long as you think it's fun, enjoyable and learn something from the
    effort, you're still ok. (That's the reason why I decided to write a new
    print book - my first. It launches on Tuesday - wish me luck! )

    All success
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by drmani View Post

      You remind me of ME - in 1997, when I launched my 1st ebook in the
      IM niche

      Your dilemma has one solution... a 4-letter word.

      T-I-M-E

      Don't worry too much about it. Go out and do your own thing. Prove
      'em wrong!

      But also realize that you (like I did) will fail at some attempts - though
      it doesn't mean the end of the world.

      And that it may take more effort, time and expense to see results - as
      contrasted against following a more 'proven' system.

      As long as you think it's fun, enjoyable and learn something from the
      effort, you're still ok. (That's the reason why I decided to write a new
      print book - my first. It launches on Tuesday - wish me luck! )

      All success
      Dr.Mani
      Good Luck to your launch on Tuesday.. Btw what's the new ebook about??
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    • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
      Originally Posted by drmani View Post

      But also realize that you (like I did) will fail at some attempts - though it doesn't mean the end of the world.
      What's great is that, really, there is no such thing as failure.

      There is only feedback.

      The classic story of Edison's "failed" 999 lightbulbs spring to mind, the lightbulbs that didn't work before he discovered the one that did.

      To paraphrase him, he didn't FAIL 999 times, he simply found 999 ways in which the lightbulb didn't work.

      But they all contributed to his SUCCESS.

      So in my book, there is no failure. Only feedback.

      Every attempt that doesn't work out is feedback, a learning experience.

      You are testing a lightbulb design that will eventually lead to the 1,000th successful lightbulb.

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      • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
        Originally Posted by Paul Hancox View Post

        What's great is that, really, there is no such thing as failure.

        There is only feedback.

        The classic story of Edison's "failed" 999 lightbulbs spring to mind, the lightbulbs that didn't work before he discovered the one that did.

        To paraphrase him, he didn't FAIL 999 times, he simply found 999 ways in which the lightbulb didn't work.

        But they all contributed to his SUCCESS.

        So in my book, there is no failure. Only feedback.

        Every attempt that doesn't work out is feedback, a learning experience.

        You are testing a lightbulb design that will eventually lead to the 1,000th successful lightbulb.
        Paul

        Interesting way to look at it.. Would never have thought about it like that
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        • Profile picture of the author Paul Hancox
          Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

          Interesting way to look at it.. Would never have thought about it like that
          Try looking at EVERYTHING in life like that. You'll be amazed!

          There is no failure, only feedback.

          It's very rare to find a successful person who has not "failed" first. In other words, that so-called "failure" contributed to their success! So it wasn't really failure, it was feedback that set them on the right course.
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          • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
            Okay, now I get it. In case anyone was lost like I was, here's the original thread that sparked this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ed-please.html

            Now that I've read that, I'd like to amend my answer to Byron. I do see some responses that are less-than-friendly, so I can see how you might take them as being cruel. But if you look past the hurt feelings you'll see that they do contain some nuggets of wisdom.

            It's not that you can't create this product. But if you don't have a lot of knowledge or firsthand experience in the subject, the quality may suffer and your success will be limited.

            It's like me trying to write a book on mountain climbing. Could I research the topic and pull together some good information for people who want to learn how to climb mountains? Sure. But how helpful will the book be, really? I have nothing to add from my personal experience because my climbing experience is limited to "climbing" out of bed and stumbling to the coffee maker every morning. LOL

            If your heart is set on creating this product, I say go for it - but come up with some of your own methods that your customers can use that are different from what everyone else is doing or has done. Research the heck out of the topic and then try some things yourself so you can pass along what you've learned.

            Just because others have created products on the same topic doesn't mean yours couldn't be great too - but in order to put your own unique spin on it, it's best to have firsthand knowledge and experience that you can pass on to your customers.

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            • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
              Originally Posted by WritingMadwoman View Post

              Okay, now I get it. In case anyone was lost like I was, here's the original thread that sparked this thread: http://www.warriorforum.com/main-int...ed-please.html

              Now that I've read that, I'd like to amend my answer to Byron. I do see some responses that are less-than-friendly, so I can see how you might take them as being cruel. But if you look past the hurt feelings you'll see that they do contain some nuggets of wisdom.

              It's not that you can't create this product. But if you don't have a lot of knowledge or firsthand experience in the subject, the quality may suffer and your success will be limited.

              It's like me trying to write a book on mountain climbing. Could I research the topic and pull together some good information for people who want to learn how to climb mountains? Sure. But how helpful will the book be, really? I have nothing to add from my personal experience because my climbing experience is limited to "climbing" out of bed and stumbling to the coffee maker every morning. LOL

              If your heart is set on creating this product, I say go for it - but come up with some of your own methods that your customers can use that are different from what everyone else is doing or has done. Research the heck out of the topic and then try some things yourself so you can pass along what you've learned.

              Just because others have created products on the same topic doesn't mean yours couldn't be great too - but in order to put your own unique spin on it, it's best to have firsthand knowledge and experience that you can pass on to your customers.

              Wendy
              Wendy

              Going from what you just said I'l should just give up on creating a product.. I know you werent saying that, so I explain what I mean... Because I have limited knowledge on any subject, how can I truely give people advice, new ways/methods, etc without researching, and more researching?

              The only thing that I have personally done I suppose is been able to create a blog.. Well I never even created it.. I brought a premium theme and then just added content to it...

              I've sold and brought things on ebay. But again I am not a powerseller or with high feedback, etc.. So am not a master of it..

              I do have a twitter account, which the only thing I do is link it to my blog and that is it..

              Same with facebook..

              So as you can see I am hardly an expert in anything...
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                • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
                  Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

                  Byron, that's the beauty of the internet. You don't have to be a master at anything. If you have any reasonable amount of experience on a subject, it's more than many people will have.

                  Share what you do know - there are plenty of people who know absolutely nothing who would like to learn.

                  Tina
                  Now I am confused lol lol

                  Now I dont know what to share it on... lol lol lol lol
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                • Profile picture of the author Robyn8243
                  You don't have to be a master of something to be able to create a product...you just need to know more than the people you are creating your product for.

                  Frankly, from what I have seen, many of the "how to" products written by experts in just about every aspect of IM, are geared on their sales pages to sell to newbies.

                  However, the 'step by step' process that is described in the actual product is not at all newbie friendly. To follow what is suggested generally requires that you already have many skills and a much bigger budget than their typical target buyer actually has. An ideal product launch will include professional split tested sales copy, tons of pre-launch content, glowing testimonials...the more the merrier, a strong affiliate base, etc.

                  My guess is that a product launch course that chronicles the launch of a relative newbie's first product...would provide an easier to follow process that more of your readers might actually be able to follow. That is just one approach you may choose to follow, that I think would definitely provide value.

                  I would not spend much time worried about cruel comments from other people.

                  Robyn
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              • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
                Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

                Wendy

                Going from what you just said I'l should just give up on creating a product.. I know you werent saying that, so I explain what I mean... Because I have limited knowledge on any subject, how can I truely give people advice, new ways/methods, etc without researching, and more researching?...
                Listen - nobody told you to just give up, go home and never return.

                The message is simple. Go out and get some experience. If you want to launch a product about how to launch a product, then create other products for hungry markets and launch them first. Otherwise, how will you know if you're creating a misleading or good quality product about launches?

                Get on some lists to observe how others launch their products. Find some affiliate products to sell that are new to see how those launches are handled. Launch a product in a market you are familiar with.

                You can be successful. Nobody is saying you can't. The question is do you want long-term success or a short burst and then you're done or scrambling to repair a damaged reputation?

                What's the long-term goal?

                Good luck to you.

                Cindy
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                • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
                  Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

                  Listen - nobody told you to just give up, go home and never return.

                  The message is simple. Go out and get some experience. If you want to launch a product about how to launch a product, then create other products for hungry markets and launch them first. Otherwise, how will you know if you're creating a misleading or good quality product about launches?

                  Get on some lists to observe how others launch their products. Find some affiliate products to sell that are new to see how those launches are handled. Launch a product in a market you are familiar with.

                  You can be successful. Nobody is saying you can't. The question is do you want long-term success or a short burst and then you're done or scrambling to repair a damaged reputation?

                  What's the long-term goal?

                  Good luck to you.

                  Cindy
                  Cindy

                  My long term goal and my short term goal is the same.. And that is to make money and to keep making money... There are many people out there that claim that they make money on the internet to date.. But as yet I am not convinced on that.. Neither is my partner. And if I dont get my act together and start making money then I will be heading for a divorce.. And I sure as hell dont want to go down that line...

                  I have tried several things even promoting clickbank products and have only got a few sales from that....

                  Now I have just gone out and got this product called PLR for profit by John Thornhill.. Profit From PLR

                  For ages I have put of creating my own product and putting it onto clickbank but I am missing out on a big piece of the pie...

                  The matter of the fact that is my knowledge is limited on any subject.. So basically I am doomed to fail... I am SODDING trying my hardest...
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                  • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
                    Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

                    The matter of the fact that is my knowledge is limited on any subject.. So basically I am doomed to fail... I am SODDING trying my hardest...
                    Byron, I understand your frustration, I really do. But don't let thoughts like this enter your mind because you're only doomed to fail if you believe you are! Going into marketing or anything else with that kind of attitude will be a self-fulfilling prophecy.

                    Your knowledge is limited on any subject, so is mine, so is everyone's! Most people know a lot about a few things, but little about other things. It's impossible to be a know-it-all on everything.

                    But the best way to expand your knowledge is to read, learn, absorb information, put it into practice and even modify the methods so they work better for you. Then you'll be in a better position to share the information to help others do what you've done.

                    You seem to be under the mistaken impression that people are saying you have to be an "expert" to create a solid product, but that's not necessarily true! Just knowing a lot about your subject is a great start. Having personal experience with it is GOLD.

                    If your heart is set on creating this particular product you've mentioned, you can still do it. Once you've gotten it finished, follow the steps yourself with another niche and see how it goes. Did the launch go as planned? Were your results what you were hoping for? Then you can share that case study with your students later.

                    Or you can start the other way, by trying some product launches and then creating your product launch product based on what you learned from the other launches. Your personal experiences will add a depth to your product that it wouldn't otherwise have.

                    One last thought - your knowledge is probably limited on many subjects, but not ALL. What DO you know a lot about? And is there a market for information on that? Do some keyword research and you'll probably find that at least one or two of the subjects you know about can be monetized somehow.

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                    Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

                    My long term goal and my short term goal is the same.. And that is to make money and to keep making money...
                    I think this is the core of your problem right here..

                    You are focusing too much on wanting/needing to "make money"

                    Real, profitable businesses are built online every single day, by people who focus on solving problems for others and charging a good price for it.

                    Solve a problem, charge your fee... wash, rinse, repeat.

                    Focus on helping people to solve problems in whatever way you feel you can do and the money WILL follow.

                    Peace

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  • Profile picture of the author WritingMadwoman
    There are cruel people here, and also plenty of people who are encouraging, helpful and supportive. If you can't make the cruel people leave, it's best to focus most of your attention on the nicer people.

    While there are some genuine jerks, I think the majority of people aren't trying to be mean, they just may not be tactful expressing their thoughts so it comes out like an insult or cruel comment. And putting thoughts in writing can be an inefficient way to communicate so the intended message gets lost.

    The best policy is to take whatever positive insights you can get from both "mean" and "nice" posts and disregard the rest. And if someone tells you that you can't do something, ask yourself whether you want to believe them or not. Just because they say you can't doesn't mean they're right.

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  • Profile picture of the author FrankPinch
    don't worry, most of the haters in forums are people that did not make it and are frustrated.

    Learn from forums, help if you can, contribute and do your thing! The rest is irrelevant

    Cheers!
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  • Profile picture of the author Arlin Audrain
    Take the arrogant people with a grain of salt. Some people just like to promote themselves as being authority figures. It's an ego thing. You will find,however some very nice people on here who are willing to be helpful. The very reason for this forum is to help one another.
    One thing that is a factor to those just starting out: There is much more competition now than when many of the "gurus" began.It takes a bit of help to know which direction to turn.
    Actually, many of the "gurus" had help in the beginning also, although they don't tell you that.
    I'm very grateful to many kind people who helped me recently on this forum. I was ready to throw in the towel. I'm even grateful to the arrogant ones, because I learned some things from them also.
    When it's your turn to help someone else here on the forum...remember to be kind.
    Good luck, and I'd be willing to help you in any way I can. I don't know much about the success end of this internet marketing thing, but I know a lot about what doesn't work.
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  • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
    Alright guys

    I was wondering if anyone could tell me if I sound like a sap please?? I have just done a tester audio, just to see how my voice would sound if I wanted to create videos.. But I think I sound awful..

    Can anyone pm me with their email address and I send you the recording
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  • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
    Byron, was this thread in response to people trying to provide you with very real, good advice in your topic about wanting to launch a Product Launch Formula product without doing any significant research about it?
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by MichaelHiles View Post

      Byron, was this thread in response to people trying to provide you with very real, good advice in your topic about wanting to launch a Product Launch Formula product without doing any significant research about it?
      Michael

      When did I ever say that I was not willing to do any research?? If you read my entire posts you will find that I said it on nurmoues occassions and I stated how I was doing it...
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      • Profile picture of the author MichaelHiles
        Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

        Michael

        When did I ever say that I was not willing to do any research?? If you read my entire posts you will find that I said it on nurmoues occassions and I stated how I was doing it...

        Sorry, I misunderstood.

        I didn't find anyone being particularly cruel in the other topic. The advice that was being given was legit and straightforward.

        I'm not sure that it was what you were entirely expecting or the manner of delivery was to your likeing. But in the end, stripping all the emotional response out of it, the fundamentals are clear.

        To be straight up, there are other people who have released products about product launches and done fine. One Warrior here, Tristan Bull has sold some reports about his experience in launching his own, very expensive high end product, as a newcomer without any real presence or "brand". He did just fine actually, IIRC sold 60 copies of a $2000 product.

        Yes, Jeff Walker's PLF is the Porsche of the Product Launch sector, but if you understand your marketing fundamentals, you'll learn how to sell a Ford Taurus.

        But with regard to this particular thread, spend less time on the emotional stuff and get serious about the WHAT. Action.
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  • Profile picture of the author David@Lurn
    I feel there are good and bad people here and everywhere - its just that sometimes the cruel ones stand out more.

    The IM world is still relatively new with thousands and thousands of people joining it everyday. 20 years ago - none of us were involved in this industry. This is true for the gurus - they weren't born gurus - heck there was no internet when most of them were born. They all had "normal" jobs and in the past 10 years or so they started just like you with zero knowledge - but they all took the time and focus to get to where they are - no one was an overnight millionaire. And many of them have failed miserably in the online world multiple times but learned from their mistakes and kept at it.

    Many people join thinking it is their golden ticket but soon realize its not an easy "get rich quick" place and become frustrated and impatient. These people like to come on here as it gives them a platform to vent - where there would otherwise be none.

    So again - with any community you take the good with the bad and I recommend listening to everyone but while taking a grain a salt and judging for yourself all the info you come across.

    Just my 2 cents
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  • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
    Byron,

    I think an excellent resource for you would be the 30 Day Challenge. It's free. It's full of excellent information and it will get you moving in the right direction.

    There are so many reasons you may not have experienced any success to date. One great way to combat many potential problems is to get a foundation in place. The 30 DC will do that for you.

    It's already started for this year, but don't let that stop you. You can start at any time and simply follow through the training. Whatever your specific challenges are, more than likely they'll be addressed during the challenge.

    It's worth a shot and you'll benefit from the structure, information and direction. Then you'll have a good foundation to build upon.

    Can't lose anything but time. Might just gain a lot!

    Thirty Day Challenge

    Cindy

    ETA - I don't benefit in any way from your participation in the 30DC. This is a purely informational post.
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    • Profile picture of the author barbling
      My long term goal and my short term goal is the same.. And that is to make money and to keep making money...
      Speaking as an online entrepreneur for 12+ years, I suggest you change your goal.

      Your goal should be:

      Become a valued subject matter expert in (pick your niche).

      Why? Because once you're the individual to whom everyone goes....your credibility goes up, your trust ratio goes up, and as a byproduct...your income goes up too.

      Money comes after you've:
      • Built your list.
      Building your list comes after you've:
      • Provided great content/ideas so people willingly give you their email address and sign up.
      Providing great content makes other people:
      • Tell their friends about you, thus indirectly increasing the probability your list will grow.
      Don't short-change yourself by focusing on your product first - focus on YOU first . Build YOURSELF up as a subject matter expert in your particular niche and let the list-building and profit-growing happen from that.

      It's a viable long-term strategy that works great.
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      • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
        Originally Posted by barbling View Post

        Speaking as an online entrepreneur for 12+ years, I suggest you change your goal.

        Your goal should be:

        Become a valued subject matter expert in (pick your niche).

        Why? Because once you're the individual to whom everyone goes....your credibility goes up, your trust ratio goes up, and as a byproduct...your income goes up too.

        Money comes after you've:
        • Built your list.
        Building your list comes after you've:
        • Provided great content/ideas so people willingly give you their email address and sign up.
        Providing great content makes other people:
        • Tell their friends about you, thus indirectly increasing the probability your list will grow.
        Don't short-change yourself by focusing on your product first - focus on YOU first . Build YOURSELF up as a subject matter expert in your particular niche and let the list-building and profit-growing happen from that.

        It's a viable long-term strategy that works great.
        Barling

        I am going to say this my way

        Most people's goal are the same. And that is too make money on the internet, whether that be a short term goal, or a long future thing.. All our goal is the same...
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        • Profile picture of the author michael_nguyen
          Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

          Barling

          I am going to say this my way

          Most people's goal are the same. And that is too make money on the internet, whether that be a short term goal, or a long future thing.. All our goal is the same...
          That is true but maybe look at it this way.... My goal is to make at least £1 with each niche site I make. Current goal is to create 100 niche sites. My long term goal is to create 100 niche sites that create £1 each per day but my short term goal is to create 3 sites per month do all the seo work and move on. I don't think about the money as much as I use to as I know it will come.

          Think about the value you want to give...in my case the niche site and the money will follow.

          Michael
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          • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
            Originally Posted by michael_nguyen View Post

            That is true but maybe look at it this way.... My goal is to make at least £1 with each niche site I make. Current goal is to create 100 niche sites. My long term goal is to create 100 niche sites that create £1 each per day but my short term goal is to create 3 sites per month do all the seo work and move on. I don't think about the money as much as I use to as I know it will come.

            Think about the value you want to give...in my case the niche site and the money will follow.

            Michael

            To do that. You need to set up mutliple domain names + hosting accounts. Maybe you are one of the lucky ones to have a google adsense account (so can earn money that way)

            Or is there another way??
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            • Profile picture of the author Michael Shook
              Noone, not even here on the WF has the ability to give you permission to do what you want with your life. You don't have much if anything to gain by guiding your own life with someone else's rules. True enough, you can test out other peope's ideas and see if they will work for you in your own interpretation of them, but they will always be your own interpretations.
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            • Profile picture of the author michael_nguyen
              Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

              To do that. You need to set up mutliple domain names + hosting accounts. Maybe you are one of the lucky ones to have a google adsense account (so can earn money that way)

              Or is there another way??
              Well if you want to use many domains you can but you don't have to as there are free websites out there.

              When I first started IM, I managed to get approved for an adsense account and I thought this was it, was gonna be rich. My account got suspended and that was that. I had no idea on how to make money online except adsense and thought thats the end of my IM career.

              After years of reading and learning I learnt that there are hundreds of ways to make money online. So yes there is another way but you have to find the best way that makes sense to you.

              As a newbie you're going to be so overwhelmed with info, you'll find it hard to make out what is good and what is not. You're also never EVER going to find the one product that will answer all questions you might have. After 6 years of studying IM I'm still learning new things in different areas but I'm at the point where I've "mastered" one method which is paying me.

              Read everything there is whether its good or crap. Read the same stuff again from different people so you can get confirmation of it. (BTW what you see in my sig is not what you should follow despite lots of people saying so) Which leads me onto my next point...

              Just because lots of people say this or that, even respected WF members, it doesn't mean they are right.

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              • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
                Originally Posted by michael_nguyen View Post

                Well if you want to use many domains you can but you don't have to as there are free websites out there.

                When I first started IM, I managed to get approved for an adsense account and I thought this was it, was gonna be rich. My account got suspended and that was that. I had no idea on how to make money online except adsense and thought thats the end of my IM career.

                After years of reading and learning I learnt that there are hundreds of ways to make money online. So yes there is another way but you have to find the best way that makes sense to you.

                As a newbie you're going to be so overwhelmed with info, you'll find it hard to make out what is good and what is not. You're also never EVER going to find the one product that will answer all questions you might have. After 6 years of studying IM I'm still learning new things in different areas but I'm at the point where I've "mastered" one method which is paying me.

                Read everything there is whether its good or crap. Read the same stuff again from different people so you can get confirmation of it. (BTW what you see in my sig is not what you should follow despite lots of people saying so) Which leads me onto my next point...

                Just because lots of people say this or that, even respected WF members, it doesn't mean they are right.

                Michael
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                Have just pm you more info
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

      Byron,

      I think an excellent resource for you would be the 30 Day Challenge. It's free. It's full of excellent information and it will get you moving in the right direction.

      There are so many reasons you may not have experienced any success to date. One great way to combat many potential problems is to get a foundation in place. The 30 DC will do that for you.

      It's already started for this year, but don't let that stop you. You can start at any time and simply follow through the training. Whatever your specific challenges are, more than likely they'll be addressed during the challenge.

      It's worth a shot and you'll benefit from the structure, information and direction. Then you'll have a good foundation to build upon.

      Can't lose anything but time. Might just gain a lot!

      Thirty Day Challenge

      Cindy

      ETA - I don't benefit in any way from your participation in the 30DC. This is a purely informational post.
      Btw do you use it?
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      • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
        Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

        Btw do you use it?
        Yes, I do! I did my first challenge last year and I'm doing this year's as well. As usual, I'm way behind. Normal for me. August is a crazy month.

        You can download the videos and transcripts and work your way through them at your own pace. So it's a low pressure learning environment. Although you do miss out on some of the live support and camaraderie, sometimes life happens.

        No matter how much I know, I still find plenty to learn during the challenge. Also, the friendships and networking are priceless! So you do give up some things by doing it at your own pace. Still, the value is huge (at least in my estimation.)

        Look through the advice given in your two threads. Great stuff there. Hope you're able to get some use out of it.

        Cindy
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        • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
          Originally Posted by MizzCindy View Post

          Yes, I do! I did my first challenge last year and I'm doing this year's as well. As usual, I'm way behind. Normal for me. August is a crazy month.

          You can download the videos and transcripts and work your way through them at your own pace. So it's a low pressure learning environment. Although you do miss out on some of the live support and camaraderie, sometimes life happens.

          No matter how much I know, I still find plenty to learn during the challenge. Also, the friendships and networking are priceless! So you do give up some things by doing it at your own pace. Still, the value is huge (at least in my estimation.)

          Look through the advice given in your two threads. Great stuff there. Hope you're able to get some use out of it.

          Cindy
          Cindy you said you did your first challenge last year? Is that a differnt process to the one they are teaching now?

          Does that mean after the first 30 day period you have to do a different techinique?
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          • Profile picture of the author MizzCindy
            Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

            Cindy you said you did your first challenge last year? Is that a differnt process to the one they are teaching now?

            Does that mean after the first 30 day period you have to do a different techinique?
            Many of the core principles are the same, but some have been changed to reflect changes in their interpretation of what are currently the most effective selling techniques. Also, the methods are updated and revamped from year to year based on changes in technology, tools, search engines, etc.

            So some of the material is review, but there's enough new to learn to make it worth your while from year to year.

            I've found it quite valuable.

            Cindy
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  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
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    I read the original thread and didn't get the feeling that people were trying to be cruel. You can of course, create a product on anything you want to whether or not you actually have something new to bring to the buyers. Just be aware that you will build a reputation from this product, whether it's good or bad.

    If you put together a product that doesn't bring something personal and useful from you to the buyer ... and is basically just a bunch of rehashed material that they've heard before or that they could easily Google to get ... this will be your legacy.

    This is one of the reasons that I waited several years before getting into my own products. I'm not a guru or big name by any stretch of the imagination, but I have experience in certain areas and something to offer. You get that over time.
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  • Profile picture of the author CDarklock
    Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post

    How do you get around the fact that you, I am unkown? Has never got a product to you name before.. Why would people buy an unkown name?
    Get one. Everyone starts with no name. All you have to do is get out there and make noise. If you're reasonably intelligent, treat others with respect, and have a distinctive personality - people will remember you.

    Oh, and be honest. When you start building your name, people will start looking up other things you said. If your story changes, they'll catch you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Easy Cash
    Originally Posted by Byron_Wells View Post


    Or am I worrying too much??
    YES !

    Just get stuck into it man! Make your own and go for it - you will never look back!
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    • Profile picture of the author Byron_Wells
      Originally Posted by Easy Cash View Post

      YES !

      Just get stuck into it man! Make your own and go for it - you will never look back!

      From what I am learning for the several posts on here and other post question that is not as easy as it seems..


      Sure it sounds great to just get stuck in. But its how you get stuck in etc...
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