Anyone heard of Henry Gold or Pat Murray?

[John Hillage]

I just got an email from a guy called Pat Murray (and his mentor Henry Gold) asking me to join their "anti-giveaway launch", which looks kind of interesting.

But I don't know them at all.

Has anyone come across either of these guys and any opinion on working with them?

Thanks

John Hillage

[Takuya Hikichi]

Last year Henry Gold did a large giveaway and also sold high ticket items and I got on some of his calls -- don't remember how good it was, but just a lot of emails.

He also charges $1000 an hour consulting (is what he said anyway).

I think some people from Singapore could tell you more about him. Don't know who Pat is.

[ExRat]

Hi John,

All I can add is that last year and previously, Henry was quite often seen running giveaways...I'm sure if you look in google, you will find lots of info.

Here -

http://www.google.com/search?q="henry+gold"+giveaway

[KarlWarren]

I received the same email, but didn't recognise the names...

I don't remember being on either one's list - especially not with my main email address, but as it's "apparently" a JV invite - I can imagine they got my email via other means (whois etc).

That's not to say the email is unsolicited...

[John Taylor]

Interesting.. I got the same (personal) email from Pat Murray.

I wonder where the guy is getting his lists?

John

[Tracy Yates]

I've gotten 2 of them from "Pat" as well. I know who Henry is, but Pat, nope, never heard of the dude.

Good question about the list John, I wonder that too.


Tracy

[KarlWarren]

Ah, screw it, I'm going to reply and ask where.

[John Hillage]

Thanks guys - I already asked the same question Karl (am awaiting response)!

[Martin.Avis]

I got it too. And deleted it in a nanosecond.

Martin

[Paul Myers]

I wouldn't touch it, personally. Not with a ten-foot pole. ("Stretch Polanski. Tallest Pole I've ever seen.")

First, the email I got from Pat was a lie. Said it was "personal," when I could tell from the formatting that it was bulk. That's a lie I don't forget or forgive.

The words I have for people who use "(personal)" in the subject of a mass email are not appropriate for this forum.

Second, Henry is a schmuck, in my opinion. My first experience with him was on a package he sent me that covered a lot of basics, and asserted that I had no right, by virtue of receiving his unsolicited manuals, to teach anything that was contained in them.

Third, it's the typical scheme to suck the active subscribers from your list. Totally unbalanced, value-wise. I wouldn't touch this one even if it wasn't Henry.


Paul

[Stanley Tang]

Heard of Henry Gold. But never Pat Murray.

Got the same "personal" email today too. I never heard of his name before let alone subscribed to him. So technically, it is an unsolicited email. But that's okay. Where it gets interesting is that EVERYBODY seemed to got that email. So by definition, that is bulk unsolicited emails... aka spam.

[Paul Myers]

Oh, my.

Sign up, and you get a request to give them the log-in info to your "Google, AOL, Hotmail, Lycos, Rediffmail, .Mac, Mail.com, GMX, IcqMail, Web.de or Plaxo account." Or your Outlook (Express) addressbook.

That's the requirement for getting the "free" report they offer on the sign-up page. Note that they don't mention that up front.

I've just added Pat Murray and Henry Gold to my permanent "Joke 'em if they can't fake a tuck" list.

Stay very far away.


Paul

[Angela V. Edwards]

Henry Gold's name sounds a little bit familiar, but the only "Pat Murray" I've ever heard of was Patty Murray. Not the person sending you emails, I am sure.

[KarlWarren]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Sign up, and you get a request to give them the log-in info to your "Google, AOL, Hotmail, Lycos, Rediffmail, .Mac, Mail.com, GMX, IcqMail, Web.de or Plaxo account." Or your Outlook (Express) addressbook.

Now THAT is very concerning... I can see why they want it too...
It's like "tell a friend" but on THEIR terms.

BTW, I've not received a reply to my email to them.

[Patim]

Apology:

This is Pat Murray and I took it upon myself and sent the emails being referred to. It was totally my idea to send out the emails in bulk form which was NOT approved by Henry Gold.

As for where I obtained these emails, I sourced them from Clickbank testimonials, Quantcast, sales letter testimonials, and searching on Google for internet marketers. Only legitimate sources were used, as I was taught by Henry Gold, to get this information.

As I said, I took it totally upon myself to take these legitimately sourced emails and import them into an autoresponder. Henry Gold was NOT informed of this fact, and the mailing would not have occurred if I had informed him because he would not have approved it.

I am new at product launches of this magnitude and in my excitement I came up with a faulty plan, on my own, to get the word out.

Henry Gold guards his reputation zealously, and I would never intentionally do anything to harm someone else's reputation. I have found out personally through the years that a good reputation is more important than anything in life.

Henry Gold never advocates the use of spam or bulk mailing and he always teaches there are no shortcuts to success. He teaches his students to do their best and to have an excellent reputation online.

So I am humbly asking that since I made this huge mistake, which I really am humbled and sorry about, that you could find it in your hearts to realize that I know NOW I really blew it.

Thanks,

Pat Murray

[KarlWarren]

Pat,

thanks for your response in this thread...

By legitimate methods, I guess you mean manually searching for email addresses via people's own websites (via their whois info) - and adding it to your mailing software?

Can I presume that further mailings will not follow?

Can I also get confirmation from you that you received my SECOND email today?


Kindest regards,
Karl.

[Paul Myers]

Pat,

If you learn, you learn. It will be forgotten soon enough.

Suggesting that those emails were "legitimately sourced" is a sign that you've got a lot more to learn. As is the use of the "spam your friends" system you've employed on your site.

My last experience with Henry was a teleseminar. The promotional copy promised to teach a system for achieving a specific purpose. What it delivered was an extended sales pitch for the actual system.

He had someone read him prepared questions (which is fine), to which he replied by reading prepared answers - three times each.

It was one of the very few "how to" experiences from which I learned exactly nothing useful.

Not encouraging.


Paul

[Paul Myers]

Karl,

Can I presume that further mailings will not follow?

I wouldn't.

I got a second one from Pat yesterday, and used the unsubscribe option. I rarely do that with spam, but I figured it was worth a test. I got yet another email from Mr Murray today, with no unsubscribe link in it anywhere.


Paul

[Takuya Hikichi]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Pat,

My last experience with Henry was a teleseminar. The promotional copy promised to teach a system for achieving a specific purpose. What it delivered was an extended sales pitch for the actual system.

Now that you put in that way, I just remember this was exactly how I felt last year when I got on the same teleseminar.

Tak

[KarlWarren]

Hi Paul,

just looking for commitment from the horse's mouth, which can then be used should the need arise...

Here's what I sent the second time, in response to the THIRD email. (my original response was to the first email)

Ok, now you're taking liberties...

I replied to your first email asking how you got my info as I'd never heard of you... I decided to ignore your SECOND email which was a duplicate of the first... this is the THIRD.

Please remove me from any future mailings, failure to do so will result in further action being sought.

Kindest regards,
Karl.

[Patim]

Karl,

You emailed:

>By legitimate methods, I guess you mean manually searching for email >addresses via people's own Karl,

You wrote:

>By legitimate methods, I guess you mean manually searching for email >addresses via people's own websites (via their whois info) - and adding it to >your mailing software?

Not exactly, first I made a list of 1,000 JV's via Excel in July. Then I came up with the bright idea to import it to my autoresponder without Henry Gold's permission.

>Can I presume that further mailings will not follow?

Yeswebsites (via their whois info) - and adding it to your mailing software?

Not exactly, first I made a list of 1,000 JV's via Excel in July. Then I came up with the bright idea to import it to my autoresponder without Henry Gold's permission.

>Can I presume that further mailings will not follow?

Yes

Pat

[KarlWarren]

Thanks for the reply Pat,

I'll hold you to that.

Can I just say that there is irony in the chosen signature line.

[edit]Which has now been removed... lol. Now I look a fool No change there then.

[ExRat]

Hi Pat,

You didn't email me - I'm just an interested observer.

Not exactly, first I made a list of 1,000 JV's via Excel in July.

If you don't mind answering, I'm interested about what a 'list of 1000 JVs' is and where one could get one from? Or do you mean you entered the emails from -

As for where I obtained these emails, I sourced them from Clickbank testimonials, Quantcast, sales letter testimonials, and searching on Google for internet marketers.

...and then put them into the excel sheet?

So when you say 'clickbank testimonials', you mean that you found the whois email from the website url that was provided by the person giving the testimonial?

Thanks.

[Paul Myers]

Roger,

If you don't mind answering, I'm interested about what a 'list of 1000 JVs' is and where one could get one from? Thanks.

I believe he means "1000 potential affiliates."

It's amusing to me how often people use "JV" as shorthand for "joint venture partner," when the correct term is "affiliate."


Paul

[Patim]

Karl,

I have just deleted my sig file.

Believe me, I am no longer associated with that program.

Pat

[John Taylor]

Pat,

I'm still waiting for a reponse to my email to you.

The question was..

Where specifically did you get my email from?

John

[mmurtha]

John H,

Stay far far away from him. Once you get in, it is very tough to get out.

He asked me to promote the same product as he did Paul evidently, but I had to sign my life away just to get to the material. Then I couldn't unsubscribe. He had me on dozens of lists, not just one.


Paul,

99% of the time JV is used to mean affiliate(s). I think the main problem is that most people do not know what a real JV is.

Pat,

Man, that was one heck of a lesson. Although it was good of you to pop in here and admit the misake, it may take some time before people warm up to you.

Good luck with that ...


Mary

[KarlWarren]

Originally Posted by ExRat

...and then put them into the excel sheet?

So when you say 'clickbank testimonials', you mean that you found the whois email from the website url that was provided by the person giving the testimonial?

Thanks.

lol, Roger,

that was my conclusion too... met with "not exactly"

I thought that I might have been liaising with a character in a Douglas Adams book.

[ExRat]

Hi,

Thanks Paul.

Yes Karl, I think clarification is worth pursuing

Hi Mary,

Stay far far away from him. Once you get in, it is very tough to get out.

He asked me to promote the same product as he did Paul evidently, but I had to sign my life away just to get to the material. Then I couldn't unsubscribe. He had me on dozens of lists, not just one.

It's funny you should say that. I have a vague memory of similar...

To add to my original post in the thread (see above) where I suggested the OP do a google search, I also just found these from the old forum -

The Warrior Forum - Henry Gold Super Gifts Anyone had success with it?

The Warrior Forum - Anyone know Henry Gold here?

I hope they help

[Paul Duxbury]

Originally Posted by Patim

Apology:

This is Pat Murray and I took it upon myself and sent the emails being referred to. It was totally my idea to send out the emails in bulk form which was NOT approved by Henry Gold.

As for where I obtained these emails, I sourced them from Clickbank testimonials, Quantcast, sales letter testimonials, and searching on Google for internet marketers. Only legitimate sources were used, as I was taught by Henry Gold, to get this information.

As I said, I took it totally upon myself to take these legitimately sourced emails and import them into an autoresponder. Henry Gold was NOT informed of this fact, and the mailing would not have occurred if I had informed him because he would not have approved it.

I am new at product launches of this magnitude and in my excitement I came up with a faulty plan, on my own, to get the word out.

Henry Gold guards his reputation zealously, and I would never intentionally do anything to harm someone else's reputation. I have found out personally through the years that a good reputation is more important than anything in life.

Henry Gold never advocates the use of spam or bulk mailing and he always teaches there are no shortcuts to success. He teaches his students to do their best and to have an excellent reputation online.

So I am humbly asking that since I made this huge mistake, which I really am humbled and sorry about, that you could find it in your hearts to realize that I know NOW I really blew it.

Thanks,

Pat Murray

How odd then that you sent yet another email this evening (GMT). Surely having realised that "I made this huge mistake" you would have deleted all the names from your autoresponder series? In that way surely you would have guarded your reputation?

[Patim]

Regarding these questions:

>If you don't mind answering, I'm interested about what a 'list of 1000 JVs' is and where one could >get one from? Or do you mean you entered the emails from -

The list of 1,000 potential affiliates was a time consuming job over a period of 3 plus weeks of intensive labor day and into late nights manually compiling the list.

...and then put them into the excel sheet?

So when you say 'clickbank testimonials', you mean that you found the whois email from the website url that was provided by the person giving the testimonial?

>As far as the clickbank testimonials, I went to the site listed in the testimonial and Manually found the >information.

>Whois turned out to be NOT a good source of information and eventually very soon gave it up as a >source.

Thanks.[/QUOTE]

[ExRat]

Hi Pat,

Thanks for explaining, I appreciate it.

[Patim]

On your site, where this article can be found: How people buy: The secret science of online shopping

[Patim]

Originally Posted by Paul Duxbury

How odd then that you sent yet another email this evening (GMT). Surely having realised that "I made this huge mistake" you would have deleted all the names from your autoresponder series? In that way surely you would have guarded your reputation?

When did you receive it? The only time it was sent out in the offending emails was Once at 3:20 p.m. ET U.S.yesterday (Saturday) afternoon.

Thanks,

Pat

[Paul Myers]

When did you receive it? The only time it was sent out in the offending emails was Once at 3:20 p.m. ET U.S.yesterday (Saturday) afternoon.

Hmmm. Something very fishy there, Pat. Here are the headers from the one I got Saturday. The one that had an unsubscribe link in it, which I used. (I have munged my address, but left these otherwise unchanged.)

Return-Path: <bounced@directresponders.com>
Received: from directresponders.com (directresponders.com [208.78.40.143])
by talk2me1.securesites.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8DJL8hO031830
for <xxxx@xxxx.com>; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:21:08 -0400
Received: from nobody by linuxsrv01.usdcservers.net with local (Exim 4.69)
(envelope-from <bounced@directresponders.com>)
id 1Keag8-0000E2-CA
for xxxx@xxxx.com; Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:21:08 -0400
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Disposition: inline
Content-Transfer-Encoding: binary
Content-Type: text/plain
X-Mailer: MIME::Lite 3.021 (F2.74; T1.23; A2.03; B3.07; Q3.07)
Date: Sat, 13 Sep 2008 15:21:08 -0400
From: "Pat Murray" <affiliates@murraysecret.com>
To: "Paul" <xxxx@xxxx.com>
Subject: Paul, it's Pat Murray (Personal)
X-Identifier: 63544-19
X-Ip: Imported by admin
Message-Id: <E1Keag8-0000E2-CA@linuxsrv01.usdcservers.net>
X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report
X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - linuxsrv01.usdcservers.net
X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - talkbiz.com
X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [99 32003] / [47 12]
X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - directresponders.com
X-Source: /usr/bin/perl
X-Source-Args: /usr/bin/perl /home/directar/public_html/ar2/dobroadcast.cgi
X-Source-Dir: directresponders.com:/public_html/ar2


Here are the headers from the one I got today, AFTER unsubscribing...


Return-Path: <bounce@117christmasgifts.com>
Received: from mail.117network.com (117network.com [75.125.199.98])
by talk2me1.securesites.net (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8EGSZsb019677
for <xxxx@xxxx.com>; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 12:28:35 -0400
Received: from mail.117network.com (localhost [127.0.0.1])
by mail.117network.com (8.13.1/8.13.1) with ESMTP id m8EG61WQ027172
for <xxxx@xxxx.com>; Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:06:01 -0500
Received: (from root@localhost)
by mail.117network.com (8.13.1/8.13.1/Submit) id m8EG60bl012384;
Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:06:00 -0500
Date: Sun, 14 Sep 2008 11:06:00 -0500
Message-Id: <200809141606.m8EG60bl012384@mail.117network.com >
To: xxxx@xxxx.com
Subject: Re: Paul, it's Pat Murray (Personal)
From: Pat Murray <affiliates@murraysecret.com>


Anyone else notice anything 'unusual' there?


Paul

[Paul Duxbury]

Originally Posted by Patim

When did you receive it? The only time it was sent out in the offending emails was Once at 3:20 p.m. ET U.S.yesterday (Saturday) afternoon.

Thanks,

Pat

Pat

I deleted it but it was early evening today (say about 5pm GMT) that I noticed it in my inbox and it was clearly a second follow up email.

[John Taylor]

Pat,

There's no email attached to that article, try again.

And,

I also got another unsolicited email from you today:
from: Pat Murray | <affiliates@murraysecret.com>
to: xx@xxxxxxxxx.com
date: 14 September 2008 16:39
subject: Re: John, it's Pat Murray (Personal)

John

[Patim]

Originally Posted by John Taylor

Pat,

There's no email attached to that article, try again.

About the Author
John Taylor, The English Lake District
web site hosting, website design, ecommerce, online marketing
John Taylor is the author of "Learn over twenty ways to improve your conversion rate and multiply your profits" - a special report that contains a wealth of information on professional testing and tracking techniques that will boost your conversion rates and make your profits soar.

And,

I also got another unsolicited email from you today:
from: Pat Murray | <affiliates@murraysecret.com>
to: xx@xxxxxxxxx.com
date: 14 September 2008 16:39
subject: Re: John, it's Pat Murray (Personal)

John

The only time I sent out the offending emails was Once at 3:20 p.m. ET U.S.yesterday (Saturday) afternoon. You are being unsubscribed asap.

Accept my apologies.

Pat

[KarlWarren]

Pat,

surely, as ALL of the emails are unsolicited - it would be best to purge the list altogether?

I'm sure, as Henry Gold isn't happy with the current situation that would be the best option all round.

[Paul Myers]

Pat,

A: I'd really recommend editing your post to remove John's address, and...

B: If you only sent it once (Saturday), how did I receive the one today (Sunday) for which I posted the headers above?

The second one bears no signs of having come through a listserver/autoresponder system, which makes me think you took the list and emailed it separately again.

Not adding to your credibility here, dude.


Paul

[Kevin Birch]

That 177 Christmas Giveaway was a couple (or more) years ago - I was a contributor :-(

I seem to remember that there was quite a lengthy thread on the old forums:

The Warrior Forum - Henry Gold Super Gifts Anyone had success with it?

The Warrior Forum - Anyone know Henry Gold here?

These threads should help with peoples 'due diligence'

[Paul Myers]

John,

I found a copy of that article on devshed.com that included your email address and the rest of the info that Pat showed.


Paul

[Patim]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Pat,

A: I'd really recommend editing your post to remove John's address, and...

B: If you only sent it once (Saturday), how did I receive the one today (Sunday) for which I posted the headers above?

The second one bears no signs of having come through a listserver/autoresponder system, which makes me think you took the list and emailed it separately again.

Not adding to your credibility here, dude.


Paul

Please check those headers again.

Pat

[Patim]

Originally Posted by KarlWarren

Pat,

surely, as ALL of the emails are unsolicited - it would be best to purge the list altogether?

I'm sure, as Henry Gold isn't happy with the current situation that would be the best option all round.

Correct.

Pat

[Paul Myers]

Pat,

Please check those headers again.

I did. I suspect that at least one or two of the other people here who got your emails can verify that they're not forged or tampered with, other than munging my address.

Those emails were sent on different days, from different servers.


Paul

[Patim]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Pat,I did. I suspect that at least one or two of the other people here who got your emails can verify that they're not forged or tampered with, other than munging my address.

Those emails were sent on different days, from different servers.


Paul

Correct.

Pat

[Paul Myers]

Pat,

Correct.

Then how can you claim they were only sent once - yesterday?


Paul

[John Taylor]

Originally Posted by Patim

The only time I sent out the offending emails was Once at 3:20 p.m. ET U.S.yesterday (Saturday) afternoon. You are being unsubscribed asap.

Not to put too fine a point on it.. that's complete bollox.

I received TWO emails from you, the one mentioned above
and an earlier one: date13 September 2008 20:20

John

[Patim]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Pat,Then how can you claim they were only sent once - yesterday?


Paul

By me only once.

Pat

[Paul Myers]

By me only once.

Then who sent the other? Seems like Henry is the only other choice.


Paul