Do you promote fat loss 4 idiots?

[yommys01]

Hi warriors,
I am trying to promote fat loss 4 idiots but I don't feel good with the sales page. The page is way too long for any one to read through.

am I wrong?

Is there a warrior here that promotes the product or that has promoted it in the past?
If yes, what is the convertion like?

Is there a good weight loss product with nice convertion that I can promote?

It is easy for me to write articles in the weight loss niches but I am not sure which product to promote.

[Scott Ames]

Take this with a grain of salt, its just my uneducated guess but... I would imagine with over $21 million in sales that someone has tested their sales page quite well. I'm sure it converts. No one will read the entire thing unless it is something they are interested in. Buyers will usually read most or all of it.

[Mark Hess]

I have made steady affiliate sales from "Cheat Your Way Thin" - Cheat Your Way Thin (not an affiliate link)

In the Clickbank Marketplace:
http://www.clickbank.com/marketplace.htm?category=-1&subcategory=-1&keywords="cheat+your+way+thin"&sortBy=popularity &billingType=ALL&language=ALL&maxResults=10&search Button=Go

But Scott is right... 21 million in sales... fat loss 4 idiots must be doing something right...

[monitorit]

Dont know the exact sales figures but im starting to promote this as ive found some keywords to get me there.

449 affiliates have made atleast 1 sale with it in the last 2 weeks!

[Talinn]

No, it is not like that. Even if no affiliates made any sales in the last two weeks the gravity will not be zero.

MarkH: Could you give me an idea of your conversion with that product, if it's not gonna be a problem?

[sylviad]

Don't make the mistake of thinking that long sales pages don't work. Some do, some don't. It depends on the product in many cases. But mostly, it depends on how well it's written.

If you couldn't make it through the sales page, that doesn't mean no one else can. Generally, I hate long sales pages. I'll read the first 10 paragraphs or so, then jump to the end to see the price which will tell me whether I want to bother reading the rest - because I will have an idea how much I'd expect to pay. If the cost is high, I won't read the rest unless it's something I really want or need.

Many people skim sales pages - reading just the headlines and highlights. If the page has lots of those, that is great.

Before you can make a valid judgment, however, you might want to promote it a bit longer and see if you get any conversions. That will give you a better idea, but from what I've heard, it is a good product that sells well. It's been around awhile.

Sylvia

[JWB]

Originally Posted by yommys01

Hi warriors,
I am trying to promote fat loss 4 idiots but I don't feel good with the sales page. The page is way too long for any one to read through.

am I wrong?

Is there a warrior here that promotes the product or that has promoted it in the past?
If yes, what is the convertion like?

Is there a good weight loss product with nice convertion that I can promote?

It is easy for me to write articles in the weight loss niches but I am not sure which product to promote.

..fat loss 4 idiots has been out there for quite awhile, probably
saturated to a point....but money is obviously being made with it..

The sales page does look a little weird but its working and in the
long run, that is the only real thing that matters....

[misterwrecker]

Originally Posted by yommys01

Hi warriors,
I am trying to promote fat loss 4 idiots but I don't feel good with the sales page. The page is way too long for any one to read through.

am I wrong?

Is there a warrior here that promotes the product or that has promoted it in the past?
If yes, what is the convertion like?

Is there a good weight loss product with nice convertion that I can promote?

It is easy for me to write articles in the weight loss niches but I am not sure which product to promote.

I thought the same exact thing that nobody was going to jump through these hoops to buy this product but I was wrong.


-John

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by yommys01

Hi warriors,
I am trying to promote fat loss 4 idiots but I don't feel good with the sales page. The page is way too long for any one to read through.

am I wrong?

Is there a warrior here that promotes the product or that has promoted it in the past?
If yes, what is the convertion like?

Is there a good weight loss product with nice convertion that I can promote?

It is easy for me to write articles in the weight loss niches but I am not sure which product to promote.

It outsells every other diet product on CB, including Geary's stuff, Vince's stuff, Craigs stuff etc.

Frankly, compared to other long copy sites, it's actually very short, infact some might say it breaks all the rules of traditional long copy.

Don't worry about whether it converts, it does, suprisingly well.

Frankly I thought the actual product was junk, normal "it's not your fault" drivel, but ultimately it sells very well.

The trick now with that product and others in a hugely saturated niche is to look for other topics which target women of a certain age etc and cross market , trying to direct PPC , media buys etc for "fat loss" terms will be a bust.

They even say so themselves, which is quite honest for a product trying to maximise sales.

The guy behind it has done tens of millions in sales, I know one super affiliate did $220k + per annum for that guy and still never even got a personal thank you from him.

Still no idea who he actually is behind that site to this day.

[Scott Ames]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

I know one super affiliate did $220k + per annum for that guy and still never even got a personal thank you from him.

How rude. I would certainly thank an affiliate like that, perhaps with a nice gift.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by Scott Ames

How rude. I would certainly thank an affiliate like that, perhaps with a nice gift.

You would think huh, even if FLFI does do millions year on year, $220k gross still isnt chump change.

[GautamSaha]

monitorit, Where did you get the number?

Thanks,

[Yudi]

I've always wondered who the guy behind FLFI actually is. It seems kind of strange that people are so willing to buy it without having any clue about the author or his education/knowledge. Seems a little fishy to me.

As far as other fitness products to promote, there are a bunch of really high quality ones out there that are not only good sellers but also top notch programs that do actually get results.

Here are a few of the best:

Turbulence Training
Truth About Abs
No Nonsense Muscle Building
Muscle Gaining Secrets
Warp Speed Fat Loss
Your Naked Nutrition Guide
Healthy Urban Kitchen
The Proven Diet Solution
Eat Stop Eat
Fat Loss Quickie

[ryansjones]

I joined their affiliate program via cbproads, which is a custom storefront you can get for your site that lets you to promote up to 6000 different ebooks and related content via clickbank. However, my first affiliate sale came from betteru (forgot the site name).

[Zach Booker]

I'm not sure how this whole Squidoo thing works. (Not a big fan of them.)

But this is ranked on the front page and it says you can take it over?

http://www.squidoo.com/fat-loss-4-idiots-review-diet

Looks like anyone with a Squidoo account can take it over and replace their old aff links with yours.

Easy money for whoever wants it.

Not sure.

Zach

[Zach Booker]

[yourreviewer]

I am curious too. Who is the author of Fat Loss 4 Idiots? Does anyone know?

[LegionNate]

That Squidoo lense is on a "Squid-Don't" topic (it told me) so it won't let you take it. Too bad.

[Zach Booker]

Ah that is too bad!

Oh well.

Zach

[Zach Booker]

@ yourreviewer

I think there's been a few threads about this. And I don't think there's been a name thrown out there.

I'd assume it wouldn't be too hard to find out though with a little detective work.

Zach

[JamesFrancisIM]

Yeah. My guess for the reason it sells so well is that the visitor believes the site to actually be that of an article at first, and thus it lures them into a feeling of being 'helped', before landing the pitch which the visitor then subconsciously associates the product with being helped too. A classic example of giving content before a sale, however false it really is.

Also, the 'sideways salesletter' (as i like to call it), is usually really effective on non-IM niches due to the short informational pages such as this 'fat loss 4 idiots' website.

- James.

[yommys01]

Originally Posted by Zach Booker

I'm not sure how this whole Squidoo thing works. (Not a big fan of them.)

But this is ranked on the front page and it says you can take it over?

http://www.squidoo.com/fat-loss-4-idiots-review-diet

Looks like anyone with a Squidoo account can take it over and replace their old aff links with yours.

Easy money for whoever wants it.

Not sure.

Zach

Being a who I am - a legit thief, I tried to take over the lens but unfortunately it seems Squidoo has banned fat loss for idiots on their site.

[jesa8406]

I was wondering about this product as well.

I think I'm going to start a campaign for it.

21mill, it's gotta convert.

Plus there are just SOO MANY keywords with low competition for this niche It's unreal!

[sashas]

Don't get me wrong, but a lot of it has to do with the name of the product itself. There's nothing people love more than something simple - "xxx for idiots/dummies". Just look at the success of the Dummies series of books

[Matthew Iannotti]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

It outsells every other diet product on CB, including Geary's stuff, Vince's stuff, Craigs stuff etc.

Frankly, compared to other long copy sites, it's actually very short, infact some might say it breaks all the rules of traditional long copy.

Don't worry about whether it converts, it does, suprisingly well.

Frankly I thought the actual product was junk, normal "it's not your fault" drivel, but ultimately it sells very well.

The trick now with that product and others in a hugely saturated niche is to look for other topics which target women of a certain age etc and cross market , trying to direct PPC , media buys etc for "fat loss" terms will be a bust.

They even say so themselves, which is quite honest for a product trying to maximise sales.

The guy behind it has done tens of millions in sales, I know one super affiliate did $220k + per annum for that guy and still never even got a personal thank you from him.

Still no idea who he actually is behind that site to this day.

I'm very surprised it outsells the rest..I know it does though..

I never purchased this product but I heard its a diet generator. Nice concept, takes the guess work out of a diet, but I don't think it actually teaches you anything. Never purchased Gearys or Vinces stuff, but bet you'd learn a hell of alot more than fatloss4idiots.

I'm in the process of putting together a membership site for weight loss, me thinks I can create something superior!

[dave147]

Originally Posted by EfitnessNYC

I'm very surprised it outsells the rest..I know it does though..

I never purchased this product but I heard its a diet generator. Nice concept, takes the guess work out of a diet, but I don't think it actually teaches you anything. Never purchased Gearys or Vinces stuff, but bet you'd learn a hell of alot more than fatloss4idiots.

I'm in the process of putting together a membership site for weight loss, me thinks I can create something superior!

I'm sure Greary's stuff is high quality and I know Vince's stuff is top notch.

When you say you think you can create something superior, do you mean a superior weight loss program? or superior web copy?

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by SimonHarrison

You would think huh, even if FLFI does do millions year on year, $220k gross still isnt chump change.

That's about 1.5% of $21,000,000.

If every affiliate did that much, he'd only need 67 affiliates. I'd say a little recognition is in order.

[Glenn Leader]

Are we talking about the main salespage, or their highly converting subpage?

Glenn

[Matthew Iannotti]

Originally Posted by dave147

I'm sure Greary's stuff is high quality and I know Vince's stuff is top notch.

When you say you think you can create something superior, do you mean a superior weight loss program? or superior web copy?

Weight Loss Program...

[ajbarnes777]

Originally Posted by Glenn Leader

Are we talking about the main salespage, or their highly converting subpage?

Glenn

Shhhh! You're letting out the secret! lol

Seriously though, you can actually link to any of their pages instead of the main page. You can find the link codes for different landing pages on their affiliates page. Provided you do good preselling, the other landing pages will convert better than linking to the main page (lady holding the timer thingy).

[havplenty]

Originally Posted by yourreviewer

I am curious too. Who is the author of Fat Loss 4 Idiots? Does anyone know?

I think it's a group of people that's behind it, a company even. I suspect that the same people who brought you 'Get Google Ads Free' & 'Top Secret Magic Code' are behind it.

If you've got the capital, an assault on clickbank as a product vendor isn't too difficult.

CB affiliates will jump on anything that looks like it's going to convert high.

Hav

[tamal]

FLFI is one of the hottest affiliate product in CB marketplace for a long time.The statistics itself proves that it has a very good sales page otherwise the sales wouldnot havebeen so huge.

[theimdude]

Originally Posted by yommys01

Being a who I am - a legit thief, I tried to take over the lens but unfortunately it seems Squidoo has banned fat loss for idiots on their site.

Just a correction here Squidoo did not ban fat loss for idiots. They don't allow diet related lenses.

[Jag82]

Originally Posted by yommys01

Hi warriors,
I am trying to promote fat loss 4 idiots but I don't feel good with the sales page. The page is way too long for any one to read through.

am I wrong?

Is there a warrior here that promotes the product or that has promoted it in the past?
If yes, what is the convertion like?

Is there a good weight loss product with nice convertion that I can promote?

It is easy for me to write articles in the weight loss niches but I am not sure which product to promote.

I read their salespage. And I think it's good. But don't take mine...or anyone's word for it.

The only true way to find out if it's worth promoting vs others is to do a split test.

Set up a Google Adwords campaign...use a software like Affiliate Prophet (or Google website optimizer) which can help you split test multiple sales page in 1 go...

Go with direct linking purely for speed of testing. Let it run for 7 days to gather data.

By the end of it, you will get some data to tell you what is probably working better than the rest. Then take the winning product and do your thing!

Jag

[Ripped]

Don't just say 'I won't promote this product.. I don't think the sales page is good'
It shouldn't matter whether you or me or anyone else feels the sales page isn't good. Always look at it's gravity and the track record it has.

There are many examples of sales pages that don't meet the 'guru criteria' and are a bit unconventional, but have converted really well.


I also thought that the sales page of FL4I was nothing special when I first saw it, but the gravity and the number of sales proves that it is a top performer, even though based on my marketing experience I didn't feel that the sales page is something special. And that's all it matter, how it perfroms, not what I think.

I've had the same argument with an affiliate interested in promoting one of my products, which was telling me that he doesn't feel that the sales page is good. All it matters if how the customer feels, and how the product performs. The product I'm talking about, is one of the top 10 products in CB by gravity, it has over 300 gravity, I believe that is enough proof that it performs well.

Bottom line is.. there are so many different niches, different types of products, different types of customer, It's not for us to decide or judge whether we think the sales page is good, and decide whether to promote it based on that decision,.

Even if the sales page looks absolutely horrific, if it performs and sells well, that should be enough of a reason for us to promote that product.

[FriendlyRob]

I usually just check out the numbers. If they add up for me, then who cares what the sales page looks like.

[mightybw]

I jumped on the product a while ago and made some good money just cross testing it overnight. Literally over the next week the CPC went up 6 times dramatically decreasing my ROI so I moved on. I assume its still a very competitive niche by what you guys were saying.

[competitive]

I sell about four copies per month.

[jennstall]

I used to promote Fat Loss 4 Idiots quite a bit when I was still mostly promoting Clickbank products.

I've since moved on to physical products rather than digital stuff, but I still make occasional sales as my pages for it are still up. My best conversions were about 1 1/2 years ago and then it was converting for me at about 1:40 hops. Nowadays it's probably about 1:50 or so, but it takes a lot longer for those 50 hops to accumulate because I'm not pushing it.

Your mileage may vary on conversions as I know mine tend to be better than average, but I would say that it definitely converts better than any of the other weight loss products on Clickbank that have been mentioned in this thread. I've promoted both Geary's and Vince's and while I think both of them are actually better products, they never converted all that well for me on article marketing and search engine traffic. Probably because both of them actually require a commitment from the dieter.

Also, I agree with others who have said you should link to one of the sub-pages. They are closer to the check-out page.

[yommys01]

Thanks guys. I guess I will have to promote the product. I did a research on the competition a while back and I think I have a very good chance of getting into the top 10 in google with some hard work.

[jasonl70]

This is an example of how different people have different results with the same products. I tried promoting this, and built a site for someone else promoting it, and it was the worse converting site I have ever promoted.

I actually haven't had much luck with the weightloss niche in general, whereas I know others have had the opposite experience..

This is why I tell people not to fall in love with any one product (or niche) - that if they fail, they may have a totaly different result somewhere else.