Some problems establishing my identity on a micro-niche

by dgutz
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Following with the SEO on my website, I had a recent problem that made me question some things about my project.

Trying to do some linkbuilding I contacted two yoga pages offering them to exchange an article with links to my web (guest blogging), and both pages asked who I am, and what is my purpose with the web, and I'm having a little trouble finding or adapting what is really my web.

The distrust of these pages comes from the reason that, in the mail, I identify myself as a page, not as individual, and that's the same thing that I do with my web.

I'm far from being a yoga guru and I don't bring nothing new to the yoga community except my charm writing, because I just readapt other articles or make translations of them.

So my yoga page can't be one of those guru or well known yoguis. So I think that the best way to approach this is giving the web the title of a portal or repository instead of a personalized web.

What do you think about this? Did you have had any problem establishing your micro-niche identity? How did you solve it?

Thanks for everything.

-your friend dgutz
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    It's imperative to avoid the appearance of annonmity in such situations. If you don't wish to use your own name pick a pen name; preferable a name that is unique, memorable, and eponymous with your niche.
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    • Profile picture of the author dgutz
      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      It's imperative to avoid the appearance of annonmity in such situations. If you don't wish to use your own name pick a pen name; preferable a name that is unique, memorable, and eponymous with your niche.
      As I told to jipolis7 I don't feel so comfortable using a pen name.

      Thanks for your response myob, greetings
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  • Profile picture of the author jipolis7
    Yes, even if you don't post anything new, it's important that people know who you are. Your entire content marketing strategy should be built around a name that has a good online reputation. Even if you just re-write the content, you do it in your own unique way and people might enjoy your version more. However, they need to know who you are.
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    • Profile picture of the author dgutz
      Originally Posted by jipolis7 View Post

      Yes, even if you don't post anything new, it's important that people know who you are. Your entire content marketing strategy should be built around a name that has a good online reputation. Even if you just re-write the content, you do it in your own unique way and people might enjoy your version more. However, they need to know who you are.
      I don't feel so confortable with the idea of establishing a pen name or a fake name, even if this impacts on my reputation/visitis/credibility. For now I'm identifying myself, when texting other pages, as the community manager.

      Thanks for your response jipolis7, i appreciate it
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  • Profile picture of the author katrim
    My suggestion would be to position yourself as a mediator between yoga gurus and yoga practitioners and make your page/website more attractive to those who might feel overwhelmed.

    This is usually a safe zone, you're not a know-it-all but not a complete newbie either.

    You could also potentially bring a new twist to the yoga practice if you make it funny or memorable, as you mention your addition to the niche is your charming writing.

    In regards to the emails or how you talk about your page, I would identify myself with the niche I'm representing. You can use things like "Us, here at YogaFun, would love to write and article about you."
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    • Profile picture of the author dgutz
      Originally Posted by katrim View Post

      My suggestion would be to position yourself as a mediator between yoga gurus and yoga practitioners and make your page/website more attractive to those who might feel overwhelmed.

      This is usually a safe zone, you're not a know-it-all but not a complete newbie either.

      You could also potentially bring a new twist to the yoga practice if you make it funny or memorable, as you mention your addition to the niche is your charming writing.

      In regards to the emails or how you talk about your page, I would identify myself with the niche I'm representing. You can use things like "Us, here at YogaFun, would love to write and article about you."
      Yeah, I think that is a good way to approach it. I'm like that "mediator" of yoga, my mission is to bring yoga to people and make it easy.

      When I texted the other pages I identified myself as the niche, the problem is that this brought distrust because it's like they are talking to nobody.

      Thanks for your reply katrim, greetings bro.
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  • Profile picture of the author Neromancer
    One of the best ways to establish yourself in a micro niche, or any niche for that matter is to publish a magazine. This allows for multiple ways to keep the attention focused on helping the niche. In return people receive your content on a regular basis. You can use this to teach, inform and build a recurring presence.

    I know this works because my wife and I run the world's largest magazine in the "Aquaponics" niche (growing food at home). Our magazine reaches thousands of people, and over time people in your niche almost come to DEMAND content from you. It is also a great way to monetize everything, including ads, classifieds, subscriptions, book sales etc.

    Anyhow that is what works for us. Hope this helps
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    • Profile picture of the author dgutz
      Originally Posted by Neromancer View Post

      One of the best ways to establish yourself in a micro niche, or any niche for that matter is to publish a magazine. This allows for multiple ways to keep the attention focused on helping the niche. In return people receive your content on a regular basis. You can use this to teach, inform and build a recurring presence.

      I know this works because my wife and I run the world's largest magazine in the "Aquaponics" niche (growing food at home). Our magazine reaches thousands of people, and over time people in your niche almost come to DEMAND content from you. It is also a great way to monetize everything, including ads, classifieds, subscriptions, book sales etc.

      Anyhow that is what works for us. Hope this helps
      I'ts a really good idea Neromancer, but I think that I can´t deal with publishing a magazine, I struggle to maintain all the social media+articles to the web, and a magazine would be hard to sustain.

      Growing food at home sounds awesome, maybe in the future I could read about it. I love hearing that it brings you a good satisfaction and works for you.

      Thanks Neromancer
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  • Profile picture of the author kilgore
    Reading your original post, I think your biggest problem is when you say that "I don't bring nothing new to the yoga community except my charm writing, because I just readapt other articles or make translations of them." Your problem is not that you don't have a long yoga resume.

    Good journalists write about things they know nothing about all the time. They may not start out an assignment as an expert in Syrian refugees or Viking archaelogy or yoga -- but they know how to take a unique look at even an old story, to dress it up and to make it interesting.

    If all you're doing is readapting old articles or translating them, you're absolutely right that you're not adding anything that anybody is going to want to publish on their sites. (And moreover, what you're doing is likely illegal. At least in the US, the owner of a copyright is granted in section 3(1)(a) of the Copyright Act the sole right "to produce, reproduce, perform or publish any translation of the work" -- and most other countries have similar laws.)

    If your articles suck nobody is going to care if you can do the "One Handed Tree Pose". And likewise, if your articles are fantastic, nobody is going to care if you can't bend over and touch your knees.

    So stop worrying so much about your credentials or your name and start worrying about the quality of your work.
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    • Profile picture of the author dgutz
      Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

      Reading your original post, I think your biggest problem is when you say that "I don't bring nothing new to the yoga community except my charm writing, because I just readapt other articles or make translations of them." Your problem is not that you don't have a long yoga resume.

      Good journalists write about things they know nothing about all the time. They may not start out an assignment as an expert in Syrian refugees or Viking archaelogy or yoga -- but they know how to take a unique look at even an old story, to dress it up and to make it interesting.

      If all you're doing is readapting old articles or translating them, you're absolutely right that you're not adding anything that anybody is going to want to publish on their sites. (And moreover, what you're doing is likely illegal. At least in the US, the owner of a copyright is granted in section 3(1)(a) of the Copyright Act the sole right "to produce, reproduce, perform or publish any translation of the work" -- and most other countries have similar laws.)

      If your articles suck nobody is going to care if you can do the "One Handed Tree Pose". And likewise, if your articles are fantastic, nobody is going to care if you can't bend over and touch your knees.

      So stop worrying so much about your credentials or your name and start worrying about the quality of your work.
      Of course that I don't have a long yoga resume, I would say that I don't have one at all.

      Let's clarify what I do: Because I dont know nothing about yoga I search for other popular blog posts in english, then I pick 2 or 3 of the same topic and I translate them to spanish. When I have a decent translation, I give them my "charm". I try to give them like a funny touch and I think that I'm really good doing that. But it's still an adaptation of other articles.

      I don't think that anything that I do is illegal because I do not limit myself to copy, we could say that I just get "inspired".

      I really think that I do a good job writing those articles, they aren't adding value to the yoga knowledge, but is other way to read from it.

      Thanks for your without mincing words reply kilgore, greetings, I would like to keep in touch with you.
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Originally Posted by dgutz View Post

    I identify myself as a page, not as individual, and that's the same thing that I do with my web.
    Stop it! Why would you do this? "Pages" don't get invited to do guest blogs - people do. You're not a page - never have been. Why would you ever want to be one?


    Originally Posted by dgutz View Post

    I don't bring nothing new to the yoga community
    So why would you expect others in the yoga space to want to trade articles with you? What benefit is it to them to have you put regurgitated junk on their web site? They can do that on their own if they want.


    Originally Posted by dgutz View Post

    So I think that the best way to approach this is giving the web the title of a portal or repository
    You can call it whatever you want ... but that doesn't make it so. You don't have a portal or a repository. That's not to say that you can't set that as a goal and work toward it ... but right now, you have nothing.


    The first thing I would suggest is that you get your mind straight about establishing your identity online. You are not a page. You are not a web site. You are not a portal or a repository.

    You're a person, an individual, a personality with unique talents, desires, passions, capabilities, experience, education, and background. Those are the things you draw upon to establish your identity.

    You have a unique "voice" and a unique "persona." That is what you should be cultivating and establishing within your market.

    "Charm" is only there to support your underlying traits but it is not enough to establish your identity in the niche. Nobody is going online looking for "charm." If your niche is related to yoga - and you want to be a recognized authority in the niche - you need to learn yoga.

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    • Profile picture of the author dgutz
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Stop it! Why would you do this? "Pages" don't get invited to do guest blogs - people do. You're not a page - never have been. Why would you ever want to be one?

      So why would you expect others in the yoga space to want to trade articles with you? What benefit is it to them to have you put regurgitated junk on their web site? They can do that on their own if they want.

      You can call it whatever you want ... but that doesn't make it so. You don't have a portal or a repository. That's not to say that you can't set that as a goal and work toward it ... but right now, you have nothing.

      The first thing I would suggest is that you get your mind straight about establishing your identity online. You are not a page. You are not a web site. You are not a portal or a repository.

      You're a person, an individual, a personality with unique talents, desires, passions, capabilities, experience, education, and background. Those are the things you draw upon to establish your identity.

      You have a unique "voice" and a unique "persona." That is what you should be cultivating and establishing within your market.

      "Charm" is only there to support your underlying traits but it is not enough to establish your identity in the niche. Nobody is going online looking for "charm." If your niche is related to yoga - and you want to be a recognized authority in the niche - you need to learn yoga.

      Steve
      Hello Steve, first thanks for your elaborated response.
      Let's not get confused. My objective isn't guest blogging, my objective is monetize my micro-niche.

      The reason of my controversy is, why I would identify myself as "someone" when I'm not a yoga guru or someone who is even interested on it?

      What you say is so valuable in the term of my unique website or my personal brand, but not in a micro-niche. That's my point of view.

      I agree with what you say about "charm", but is one of my talents, and in this micro-niche adventure that I took, I though it would be great tool to attract people to know more about yoga. Learning yoga would be great, yes, but I'm not interested on it. I just seek my personal developement, the experience and the profit from my micro-niche adventure.

      Greetings Steve
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by dgutz View Post

    I'ts a really good idea Neromancer, but I think that I can´t deal with publishing a magazine, I struggle to maintain all the social media+articles to the web, and a magazine would be hard to sustain.

    Thanks Neromancer
    So go "old school" and publish a newsletter. If you do a good job of curating (fancy word for hand-picking) content, adapting or translating old articles (with permission) can make for an excellent newsletter. There's no concern over "duplicate content"., and if you stick to stuff you have permission to use, no worry about copyright.

    EzineArticles.com can still be an excellent source of content you can use - the permission is built into the site if you follow the rules. The downside is that there is still a lot of digital manure left over from the Bum Marketing/Adsense phase they went through, and you may have to wade through a lot of junk to find the good stuff. One hint is to look for writers, not articles. When you find a list of writers whose quality meets your standards, look for their stuff first. You can also contact them about using stuff that isn't in EZA, especially for translations.

    Once you've built a presence, it will be much easier to find willing partners for guest posting. You still have to have something more to offer than your "charming" writing style, though...
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    • Profile picture of the author dgutz
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      So go "old school" and publish a newsletter. If you do a good job of curating (fancy word for hand-picking) content, adapting or translating old articles (with permission) can make for an excellent newsletter. There's no concern over "duplicate content"., and if you stick to stuff you have permission to use, no worry about copyright.

      EzineArticles.com can still be an excellent source of content you can use - the permission is built into the site if you follow the rules. The downside is that there is still a lot of digital manure left over from the Bum Marketing/Adsense phase they went through, and you may have to wade through a lot of junk to find the good stuff. One hint is to look for writers, not articles. When you find a list of writers whose quality meets your standards, look for their stuff first. You can also contact them about using stuff that isn't in EZA, especially for translations.

      Once you've built a presence, it will be much easier to find willing partners for guest posting. You still have to have something more to offer than your "charming" writing style, though...
      Originally Posted by myob View Post

      In addition to the sound advice given by Steve and John above, you can also fairly quickly establish a credible presence in your niche by submitting a portfolio of articles to EZA. It is still well regarded by publishers as a source of content.

      Any search engine of your name may present an impressive listing of your articles and publication sources. I've used this technique quite extensively over the years for dozens of pen names. If your name is fairly unique, this can be an extremely powerful marketing tool.
      Hey John and myob, thanks for your replies!

      I had not toyed that newsletter option, at first doesn´t seem like the best way to achieve my monetization ideas, but I will read about it.

      I didn't know ezinearticles.com, seems like a really valuable resource to keep in mind.

      The problem myob is that my web is in spanish, and establishing a good presence in EZA would only bring me english speakers. It's a really good way to get known as an author, but in this case it can't be applied to my project.

      Greetings John and myob !
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  • Profile picture of the author myob
    In addition to the sound advice given by Steve and John above, you can also fairly quickly establish a credible presence in your niche by submitting a portfolio of articles to EZA. It is still well regarded by publishers as a source of content.

    Any search engine of your name may present an impressive listing of your articles and publication sources. I've used this technique quite extensively over the years for dozens of pen names. If your name is fairly unique, this can be an extremely powerful marketing tool.
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  • Profile picture of the author otjcenter
    One great way to get recognize, in any niche, is by the content you are putting out,
    It never fails. You should find out what topic is important in that niche, that there is a need to know, and create detail content. When I say detail, I mean even the smallest thread, nothing left out, and post or write a case study.

    The same way to post, this is the kind of content you need, I notice one reply said, you saying you bring nothing new in the niche. If true it’s a problem because you are saying you have nothing to offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author dgutz
      Originally Posted by otjcenter View Post

      One great way to get recognize, in any niche, is by the content you are putting out,
      It never fails. You should find out what topic is important in that niche, that there is a need to know, and create detail content. When I say detail, I mean even the smallest thread, nothing left out, and post or write a case study.

      The same way to post, this is the kind of content you need, I notice one reply said, you saying you bring nothing new in the niche. If true it's a problem because you are saying you have nothing to offer.
      Yeah otjcenter I agree with your content description, but I'm not a yoga guru, I do it because I wanted to see how hard would be to position a micro-niche and get profit from it. I have nothing more to offer than my way of writing and adapt articles.

      Greetings from Spain
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