Suggestion needed: What would you do with a 10 people team?

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Hey guys.
I've started my way back at 2010 and established a strong social-media business.
Unfortunately in early 2015 we felt that the competition is ridiculous with social media so we started developing a mobile game.
Things went really bad when our biggest traffic source got blocked and we lost like 70% of our budget for the game (on which we worked for a year and a half).

So while we're looking for investors to keep our game development going we are eager to start something new.

I'm here to ask experienced warriors what would YOU do if you could hold 5-10 workers (designers/copywriters/call-agents/etc) that could learn anything and produce anything you'd like for a minimal salary (the work power here is pretty cheap, around $300-$1000 a month depending on the job).

P.s JV's are welcome.

So I once started on this forum and established things I aimed at, I hope that we could now do it again

Hope this post will also motivate some newbies, the sky is the limit guys!

Thanks in advance.
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  • Profile picture of the author JKirby
    Hey Frozen,

    This question is very similar to someone walking into a gym and screaming, what's the best way to lose weight. You'd get a ton of different answers, all partially correct.

    Depending on the specific Warrior's background, you'll probably hear many different things, all being completely correct to some. What I mean is, sales people would have to start doing something in Direct Sales, Affiliate Marketers would suggest you building a list and getting into promoting Clickbank products. Product creators would say create your own product and build a business around it. SEO-savvy guys would say build micro blogs (or whatever, I'm not SEO savvy at all) and onwards.

    What I'd like to suggest to you, is what reason do you have to have a team of 5-10 people to begin with?

    Sometimes having a team is a huge benefit, other times, it's not advantageous at all.

    Perfect example, my current team is maybe 4-8 people maximum (depending on the job needing done of course). We're pulling in numbers that other businesses in the same industry are pulling with 2 or 3x the team size. Our margins and owner-pay is considerably higher than the other company.

    Before I would bring anyone into the business, I believe you should have a realistic and working plan beforehand, so that you can hone the skillset and get exactly what you want out of it. Just because you can hire 5-10 people who are able to learn whatever skill you have, doesn't mean you should.

    Also, in my opinion, you should learn the skills yourself before you hire someone for it (with minor exceptions) so you can weed through the BS some guys will give you. Perfect example is a poor copywriter is noticeable from a mile away if you know the basics (Big Idea, Hook, Sales Process). Another example is SEO. I honestly don't know much about SEO, but I know enough that if someone is talking about pre-built packages (X of these links, Y of these links etc) they are usually garbage.

    So basically, what I'm saying is, what do you know how to do already, or have experience in so you can begin quickly (churn is important)?

    The strategy should come first, then the team and the tactics.
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  • Profile picture of the author solosolutions
    It's important to know what your team is capable of doing.

    From there you could know where you excel and what you can do to make money out of it.

    It's easier to work if you know your strengths and you also know your weakness and how to improve it.
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  • Profile picture of the author kilgore
    There are 10 of you and not a single one of you can come up with a good idea for your business?

    Not to be rude, but if it's really true that a bunch of random people on a public forum who know next to nothing about you, your team or your business are going to come up with better ideas than the 10 people who have been working for 6 years on your business... Well, let's just say I'd start by firing all 10 people -- including myself.
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  • Profile picture of the author FrozenGod
    Originally Posted by kilgore View Post

    There are 10 of you and not a single one of you can come up with a good idea for your business?

    Not to be rude, but if it's really true that a bunch of random people on a public forum who know next to nothing about you, your team or your business are going to come up with better ideas than the 10 people who have been working for 6 years on your business... Well, let's just say I'd start by firing all 10 people -- including myself.
    I'm bringing lot's of money mate, why would I fire myself?
    Now let's be serious, it looks to me that you are full of hate for some reason.

    Lets clarify a couple of things:
    1) I didn't ask what would you do IF you were at MY place. I've asked what YOU would do if you wanted to get a new business up and running and had some budget for it.
    2) I'm not here to brag about how much money I make (you can read enough of it in the WSO forum) but comments like "I would fire myself" are garbage and if you want to shoot them at me you better keep posting backlinks and spamming forums with CPA offers.
    3) It was really interesting to know which path other warriors would chose in this situation, I wanted to read some interesting ideas, to meet some open-minded people and what I received is a bunch of "you should think on your own" and even a small hate comment.

    It's a shame that people are here to show how cool they are instead of building smart business relationships and sharing ideas.

    I can even make a WSO (by the end of the week) that some of you will pay money to read, but I'm not here for this, I was just eager to start a conversation with new ideas, potential business models and a positive attitude.

    Seems like it's not the right place to have it.
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    • Profile picture of the author Monsterd
      Originally Posted by FrozenGod View Post

      I'm bringing lot's of money mate, why would I fire myself?
      Now let's be serious, it looks to me that you are full of hate for some reason.

      Lets clarify a couple of things:
      1) I didn't ask what would you do IF you were at MY place. I've asked what YOU would do if you wanted to get a new business up and running and had some budget for it.
      2) I'm not here to brag about how much money I make (you can read enough of it in the WSO forum) but comments like "I would fire myself" are garbage and if you want to shoot them at me you better keep posting backlinks and spamming forums with CPA offers.
      3) It was really interesting to know which path other warriors would chose in this situation, I wanted to read some interesting ideas, to meet some open-minded people and what I received is a bunch of "you should think on your own" and even a small hate comment.

      It's a shame that people are here to show how cool they are instead of building smart business relationships and sharing ideas.

      I can even make a WSO (by the end of the week) that some of you will pay money to read, but I'm not here for this, I was just eager to start a conversation with new ideas, potential business models and a positive attitude.

      Seems like it's not the right place to have it.
      Come to WSO to build relationships lol. Guys on crack
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    • Profile picture of the author kilgore
      Originally Posted by FrozenGod View Post

      I'm bringing lot's of money mate, why would I fire myself?
      Now let's be serious, it looks to me that you are full of hate for some reason.

      Lets clarify a couple of things:
      1) I didn't ask what would you do IF you were at MY place. I've asked what YOU would do if you wanted to get a new business up and running and had some budget for it.
      2) I'm not here to brag about how much money I make (you can read enough of it in the WSO forum) but comments like "I would fire myself" are garbage and if you want to shoot them at me you better keep posting backlinks and spamming forums with CPA offers.
      3) It was really interesting to know which path other warriors would chose in this situation, I wanted to read some interesting ideas, to meet some open-minded people and what I received is a bunch of "you should think on your own" and even a small hate comment.

      It's a shame that people are here to show how cool they are instead of building smart business relationships and sharing ideas.

      I can even make a WSO (by the end of the week) that some of you will pay money to read, but I'm not here for this, I was just eager to start a conversation with new ideas, potential business models and a positive attitude.

      Seems like it's not the right place to have it.
      First of all, sorry if I hurt your feelings. I guess the whole "I'd fire myself" was a little over the top -- but the truth is, if you don't have what it takes to come up with your own business ideas, you almost certainly don't have what it takes to succeed in business. You don't just pick a business like you pick your dinner from a restaurant menu.

      It also appeared that I misunderstood. I assumed you already had your staff in place and where looking to redirect them. My mistake.

      That said, I think you're idea of just throwing money into hiring low-wage workers is really, really bad. More so since you don't seem to have a clue about what to have them do. Managing staff is very, very time consuming. Managing untalented staff (which is likely what you'll get for your low wages) even more time consuming. Bringing 5 or 10 new workers (especially low skilled workers) at once sounds like a nightmare to me.

      Overall, I think you'd do better to hire just one really high quality worker rather than 10 people who don't have a clue. It'll take up less of your time and you'll likely see just as much -- or more -- productivity from this one person than all 5 or 10 of the cheaper workers you want to hire. Researchers, for instance, have found that the best programmers achieve up to 10 times the productivity of their peers. (See: Productivity Variations Among Software Developers and Teams: The Origin of 10x-10x Software Development | Construx). Just as importantly, from someone with real talent you'll also get ideas, so that you won't have to be asking this question of complete strangers who know next to nothing about you.

      Of course all that assumes you need to hire anyone at all -- which until you actually have a business plan, you really don't. Figure out your business plan first, then decide if you even need to hire anyone.
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  • Profile picture of the author DABK
    You don't give enough info about your setup... or I am dense. Are you looking to add similar products/services or completely different? Or both/it doesn't matter?

    Besides games and social media, what niches/industries have you had success/interest in?

    If you're good at social media but it's too competitive (which part is competitive?) and you're good at teaching what you know... Sell a do-it-yourself social media to the particular subset of business owners you've turned down because they didn't have enough money for you to do it)?

    Let me ask another way: who do you think your background is most likely to help?
    Originally Posted by FrozenGod View Post

    Hey guys.
    I've started my way back at 2010 and established a strong social-media business.
    Unfortunately in early 2015 we felt that the competition is ridiculous with social media so we started developing a mobile game.
    Things went really bad when our biggest traffic source got blocked and we lost like 70% of our budget for the game (on which we worked for a year and a half).

    So while we're looking for investors to keep our game development going we are eager to start something new.

    I'm here to ask experienced warriors what would YOU do if you could hold 5-10 workers (designers/copywriters/call-agents/etc) that could learn anything and produce anything you'd like for a minimal salary (the work power here is pretty cheap, around $300-$1000 a month depending on the job).

    P.s JV's are welcome.

    So I once started on this forum and established things I aimed at, I hope that we could now do it again

    Hope this post will also motivate some newbies, the sky is the limit guys!

    Thanks in advance.
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    • Profile picture of the author FrozenGod
      Originally Posted by DABK View Post

      You don't give enough info about your setup... or I am dense. Are you looking to add similar products/services or completely different? Or both/it doesn't matter?

      Besides games and social media, what niches/industries have you had success/interest in?

      If you're good at social media but it's too competitive (which part is competitive?) and you're good at teaching what you know... Sell a do-it-yourself social media to the particular subset of business owners you've turned down because they didn't have enough money for you to do it)?

      Let me ask another way: who do you think your background is most likely to help?
      Hey mate,
      We want to start a new business from scratch.
      Maybe something like an eCommerce website and use our social media knowledge to push traffic to the on-site listings.
      Also we've been thinking about an affiliation for Forex/BO since we have friends with multi-million companies hungry for leads.
      Some other thoughts are a small outsourcing business or a QA testing business.

      You see the eCommerce option sounds the best right now because:
      A) a team can't really help you with a Forex affiliation (except graphics and development) and I don't have enough time nor knowledge to do that right now.
      B) outsourcing is a pain in the ass if you never did it before (the last thing I want is to lookup for clients on UpWork) and we're not the best client recruiters.
      C) QA testing is something our friend suggested and it sounds like a great great business Idea with a huge potential because the competition is (relatively) small but again the setup is HELL.

      We're looking for something that won't consume us a lot of time and could be (more-or-less) operated by our new team.
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      • Profile picture of the author Oziboomer
        Originally Posted by FrozenGod View Post

        Hey mate,
        We want to start a new business from scratch.
        Maybe something like an eCommerce website and use our social media knowledge to push traffic to the on-site listings.
        Also we've been thinking about an affiliation for Forex/BO since we have friends with multi-million companies hungry for leads.
        Some other thoughts are a small outsourcing business or a QA testing business.

        You see the eCommerce option sounds the best right now because:
        A) a team can't really help you with a Forex affiliation (except graphics and development) and I don't have enough time nor knowledge to do that right now.
        B) outsourcing is a pain in the ass if you never did it before (the last thing I want is to lookup for clients on UpWork) and we're not the best client recruiters.
        C) QA testing is something our friend suggested and it sounds like a great great business Idea with a huge potential because the competition is (relatively) small but again the setup is HELL.

        We're looking for something that won't consume us a lot of time and could be (more-or-less) operated by our new team.
        The use of We're

        We are trying

        We

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        10 people and it sounds like there isn't one leader.

        Now you may be the leader and you want to elicit responses to consider but given the number of "team members" involved I'm surprised that there isn't clear direction.

        I'm also surprised given the team size there isn't experience of outsourcing.

        With a team your size there is only one thing that prevents growth and that is insubordination.

        Other things like direction, motivation, education and communication come down to leadership.

        The direction must be guided by the leader and fi there isn't a clear leader who others will follow then the talk of doing this and that as various members promote their strengths and opinions ensues.

        Make a clear decision and communicate it to your team.

        Select the right members to do the right tasks

        Motivate them to focus on the one goal.

        Educate them along the way.

        Remove the insubordinates.

        Best regards,

        Ozi
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Sounds to me like your biggest strength is driving traffic to a particular page through social media.

        And that you have/can assemble a bunch of people to support that.

        I think the best thing would be for you to create a product, drive traffic to it through social media. (It could be a do-it-yourself social media leads, a series of reports on various problems people trying to drive traffic through social media encounter, which, if fixed, would make them money. It could be a physical product, an app, t-shirts of your own design (Right now you'd make a killing with Trump, Clinton, etc., t-shirts.)

        Second best, is to create an ecommerce site, drive traffic through it through social media and sell other people's stuff.

        Somebody mentioned that all businesses want leads. And that would be something you could get into... The problem, if you ask me, with selling leads... it's hard to not get blamed for the lead buyer's lack of skill to convert... If you know how to fix that, awesome. Some people have a lot of success with selling leads that they close too. But you did not mention closer in your team.)

        Maybe you can form a company with an existing company (you know, a tractor seller and you could end up selling a lot more tractors than the tractor company can on its own and, since you're co-owner and they're co-owners, your interests will be more aligned than if you were just a lead provider).

        If you're really good at driving traffic, e-commerce is good... And you can dream big, like Amazon.com kind of big. Yet can start with 5-10 people.

        Originally Posted by FrozenGod View Post

        Hey mate,
        We want to start a new business from scratch.
        Maybe something like an eCommerce website and use our social media knowledge to push traffic to the on-site listings.
        Also we've been thinking about an affiliation for Forex/BO since we have friends with multi-million companies hungry for leads.
        Some other thoughts are a small outsourcing business or a QA testing business.

        You see the eCommerce option sounds the best right now because:
        A) a team can't really help you with a Forex affiliation (except graphics and development) and I don't have enough time nor knowledge to do that right now.
        B) outsourcing is a pain in the ass if you never did it before (the last thing I want is to lookup for clients on UpWork) and we're not the best client recruiters.
        C) QA testing is something our friend suggested and it sounds like a great great business Idea with a huge potential because the competition is (relatively) small but again the setup is HELL.

        We're looking for something that won't consume us a lot of time and could be (more-or-less) operated by our new team.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    I may be missing part of the picture but here's my take on this:

    You have skilled people and you don't want to disband your team - but you need to keep them busy - keep them earning.....?

    designers/graphics/content writing/copywriting, etc?????

    Sounds like a made to order freelance team. If I want to keep them employed and busy and do it in a way I could shut down and easily transition back to my main goal....I'd start placing hundreds a bids a day on freelance sites...and would advertise, too. With the full team, you could also offer full services like site building, total design and writing of ebooks, etc.

    If I'm way off the mark, sorry, just ignore me. No reason to be snarky.
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    • Profile picture of the author FrozenGod
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      I may be missing part of the picture but here's my take on this:

      You have skilled people and you don't want to disband your team - but you need to keep them busy - keep them earning.....?

      designers/graphics/content writing/copywriting, etc?????

      Sounds like a made to order freelance team. If I want to keep them employed and busy and do it in a way I could shut down and easily transition back to my main goal....I'd start placing hundreds a bids a day on freelance sites...and would advertise, too. With the full team, you could also offer full services like site building, total design and writing of ebooks, etc.

      If I'm way off the mark, sorry, just ignore me. No reason to be snarky.
      Yea, I've just pointed your suggestion in the reply above.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    what YOU would do if you wanted to get a new business up and running and had some budget for it.
    Thing is - most of us would not be hiring a team and then looking for something to do. YOU know that. You had a project delayed and that created a unique scenario. When you ask for advice here - no guarantee you'll agree with it.

    Working as freelancers is not that hard to learn - neither is running a team of freelancers...."we're not the best client recruiters." Why not fix that to attract clients/advertisers/investors???

    Good luck - be interesting to know what you end up doing with the team.
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    • Profile picture of the author FrozenGod
      Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

      Thing is - most of us would not be hiring a team and then looking for something to do. YOU know that. You had a project delayed and that created a unique scenario. When you ask for advice here - no guarantee you'll agree with it.

      Working as freelancers is not that hard to learn - neither is running a team of freelancers...."we're not the best client recruiters." Why not fix that to attract clients/advertisers/investors???

      Good luck - be interesting to know what you end up doing with the team.
      There's no team yet, I've said that practically because we can have it by tomorrow.
      Ill try to keep you posted on whats going on.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Originally Posted by FrozenGod View Post


    I'm here to ask experienced warriors what would YOU do if you could hold 5-10 workers (designers/copywriters/call-agents/etc) that could learn anything and produce anything you'd like for a minimal salary (the work power here is pretty cheap, around $300-$1000 a month depending on the job).
    I'd have to determine first if I even need 5-10 workers.


    P.s JV's are welcome.
    Welcome to do what???

    A JV needs to compliment in a business - but you have no actual business in mind from what it sounds like.

    You want to JV with someone who just tosses an idea your way?


    So I once started on this forum and established things I aimed at, I hope that we could now do it again

    Hope this post will also motivate some newbies, the sky is the limit guys!

    Thanks in advance.


    Originally Posted by FrozenGod View Post

    I'm bringing lot's of money mate, why would I fire myself?
    Now let's be serious, it looks to me that you are full of hate for some reason.

    Lets clarify a couple of things:
    1) I didn't ask what would you do IF you were at MY place. I've asked what YOU would do if you wanted to get a new business up and running and had some budget for it.
    2) I'm not here to brag about how much money I make (you can read enough of it in the WSO forum) but comments like "I would fire myself" are garbage and if you want to shoot them at me you better keep posting backlinks and spamming forums with CPA offers.
    3) It was really interesting to know which path other warriors would chose in this situation, I wanted to read some interesting ideas, to meet some open-minded people and what I received is a bunch of "you should think on your own" and even a small hate comment.

    It's a shame that people are here to show how cool they are instead of building smart business relationships and sharing ideas.

    I can even make a WSO (by the end of the week) that some of you will pay money to read, but I'm not here for this, I was just eager to start a conversation with new ideas, potential business models and a positive attitude.

    Seems like it's not the right place to have it.
    Add me to that group I guess of "haters" lol.

    BTW, I don't think anyone hates you and I'd not assume anyone is full of hate. We don't really even know you.

    Look, you've given absolutely NO direction for us to determine if it's even worth our time or your time in what ever response is given.

    Your question is along the lines of "What niche should I go into?"

    Most I think would take the time to at the very least narrow things somewhat.

    There are a gazillion business models already on this forum. Search around a bit and find something that floats your boat.

    So while we're looking for investors to keep our game development going we are eager to start something new.
    If I had a team on the side working toward one major project and wanted to explore a new direction to explore I'd probably do as Kilgore somewhat suggested and question my team first to see what ideas they might have. If they are just working for some $ and don't have ideas or actual input on the business then they are not so much a "team" but are just some random freelancers you have working for you.

    Anyone can go scrape up a team of freelancers.

    Right now I see you as a guy who has a team of freelancers he can control to carry out varying tasks. You are not the only one in this situation.

    It is up to YOU to determine a niche you want to go into in that case.

    So I ask again, why would I want to even consider a JV?
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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Originally Posted by FrozenGod View Post

    There's no team yet, I've said that practically because we can have it by tomorrow.
    Ill try to keep you posted on whats going on.

    Ok, so I misinterpreted what you were saying in your initial post - my bad.

    I was under the impression you had this team already in place and you were looking for what else to do with them.

    So you have no team, and no idea really of what site/business you want to build.

    Would that be correct?
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    What do all businesses want? Leads...even more, they want customers and clients. Why not focus on getting and selling leads and marketing services? Anything you can't do can easily be outsourced.
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    Create a membership site that sells/provides unlimited digital creative stuffs where the members are able to make future profit with it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
    Oh, and here is the answer to part of your question.

    My "team" would be making content for sites/niches I already have going. My "team" would be working on some SEO and social sites that would work toward pushing traffic. My "team" would be making videos, and researching new content for me. My "team" would be fixing some programming on an old site I have. My "team" would crank out graphics on demand for me. My "team" would put together new products for me based on what I feed them, building the sites, uploading the products, driving traffic to the sites, and for me to consider them truly my team I'd insure they got a percentage bonus of the sales generated from their efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monsterd
    Why don't you try to be productive with 1-2 people then scale up?
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  • Profile picture of the author Monsterd
    Things went really bad when our biggest traffic source got blocked and we lost like 70% of our budget for the game (on which we worked for a year and a half).
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  • Profile picture of the author Monsterd
    You learned your lesson. Don't put all your eggs in one basket. 2nd, why not try and be productive with 1-2 and then scale up? 3rd, number of your team or how much they cost are 100% irrelevant....it's about what they output and how much of your time it takes to manage them. Time is #1. There are TONS of cheap workers..... Go make a buck off something that actually adds value to an end user is the mentality you need to take the next time around. Sorry if it sounds harsh, but truth be told.
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  • Profile picture of the author Monsterd
    And don't expect to come on WSO or anywhere else, tell people about your failures and hope they will give you great ideas. Even such, ideas are S*** without execution. It's all about the $ in the bank at the end of the day baby.
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