WAIT! click ok to leave or cancel to remain on the page!

[DogScout]

And I unsubscribe from the list of the person that sent me there.
(figured that was an important point)
I know people that have been offered lower prices with these in other markets (they are not IMers) and for them, most tell me it reinforces that the decision they made not to buy was correct. Obviously, someone has tested it and found them to be of value in their market and I am betting 99% of the people that use them have never tested them in their market, they just 'assume' since there are so many, it must be good.

It is like going to Google's #1 site in a market and copying it. You don't know that that company is losing $300 each sale and is either ready to go under or sells enough on follow-up and back-end sales to sustain the loss. If you have not tested it and are using it, well to be blunt, that is just stupid.

Test, Test, Test. Then even if it annoys me and a bunch like me, you have tested it and KNOW it makes you more money.

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by DogScout

Their existence now makes me always click away from every offer to see if the price will go down. If it doesn't I leave anyway, if it does I leave because the guy took a 'shot' at me.

Sounds like a great use of your time.

Seriously though, whey even visit the offer page to begin with then?

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by DogScout

Their existence now makes me always click away from every offer to see if the price will go down. If it doesn't I leave anyway, if it does I leave because the guy took a 'shot' at me.
(Of course I have also stopped buying anything ending in a '7' or on a squeeze page, too)
LoL

Whew! I already stopped with the all 7's. Changed them all to 9's without any big drop in sales.

[Clark]

If they were real Sales-driven Marketers then they'd remove the OK button (Ah-thank you!)

Increased conversions are great as long the refund % doesn't have an adverse affect on the ROI when utilizing this tactic to discount the product's price point (down sell).

Let's not forget about those who bought at first sight then returned to re-read the sales page/bounce then get offered a discount on the product they already purchased at full pop.

Ohhh... that sinking feeling of being had... refund please!

I'd be inclined to test it to see the real winner as I'm sure the results will vary from market to market especially the fickle MMO market.

LoudMac's implementation is best as it builds an asset & affords you multiple chances to get the prospect to see the offer/sales page written in multiple ways via follow-up autoresponder which addresses quite a few prospect's preference of not buying at first sight... usually they're wanting more information to make an informed decision as opposed to an impulsive one.

From there, the product owner can rip off the affiliate with their own sales link in the sequence but that's an entirely different thread altogether

[DogScout]

LOL Lance, yes why look? Because like a crow, it is in my nature. Sad but true. Truth sadder than fiction.
But the 2nd post applys & if the customer ever returns to the site, your looking at a refund and then may or may not get a sale at the lower price from the refunded guy.

[DogScout]

Popup, popunder, hoverover, or inline :O

[Hesaidblissfully]

I'd think people would be just as annoyed by knowing that they ended up paying full price for something that they could've gotten for a $20 or more discount simply for clicking off the page as they would by the special offer box itself. I've never used those sorts of popups though. I always found the wording they use odd as well. Like it takes me a moment to figure out whether "ok" is agreeing with the offer, or allowing me to click off the page (I'm a bit slow sometimes )

[VoodooMethods]

Gosh I really, really, really HATE those stupid pop ups. Especially when I'm just trying to find a decent looking LP to test out. Go to X out and get tricked by accident!

I've gotten a sale or two from them though.

[Jared Alberghini]

Not to break up the enthralling "I hate them", "But they work" back and forth battle too much,

What do you all think of the slide-up footer ads? like this one I have been working on:

Affiliate Niche Monster - Footer Ad Demo

I think they are quite cool... however I may be jaded, since I'm developing one...

Back to your regularly scheduled program.

[ExRat]

Hi Jared,

Not to break up the enthralling "I hate them", "But they work" back and forth battle too much,

Splorf!

What do you all think of the slide-up footer ads? like this one I have been working on:

Affiliate Niche Monster - Footer Ad Demo

I think they are quite cool... however I may be jaded, since I'm developing one...

It totally reminds me of my displeasure while watching football on TV - advertisements encroaching from every possible angle, and it becoming harder and harder to actually focus on the game itself.

Permanent logos in all four corners of the screen, obscuring the score and the time left (surprised they haven't discovered a fifth corner of the screen to advertise on yet).

Two tiers of advertisement hoarding around the ground, with electronic, moving, dancing wording that totally blinds you when you watch a slo-mo replay.

Adverts on and around the pitch using glorious 3D to make them look real.

Adverts on the shirts, shorts, underwear and tattoos of the players and referee. Adverts on the fans. Adverts on the coffee cups of the fans. Adverts on the blimp above the ground.

Adverts on the ball.

Adverts on each blade of grass.

Adverts on the oxygen in the air.

The program sponsor. The sponsor of the program sponsor. The sponsor of the programme sponsor's dog and ex-wife. The sponsor of the advertising break. The sponsor of the streaker. The sponsor of the pitch invasion. Advertising on the stewards who halt the pitch invasion....

And don't let me get started on the annoying tweaking of the volume level of the adverts in the numerous advertising breaks, which cause me to burn out the batteries in my remote control (batteries sponsored by...)

Hi Voodoomethods,

Gosh I really, really, really HATE those stupid pop ups. Especially when I'm just trying to find a decent looking LP to test out. Go to X out and get tricked by accident!

I've gotten a sale or two from them though.

No comment...

[richnicol.co.uk]

Im 50/50 on the popup when i leave the site, it does intrigue me that there may be a better offer (cheaper price etc), but it frustrates me because i have clicked off the site in the first place because i was not interested in the product. I imagine it must generate more sales done correctly unless all these websites would not use it

[kenboss]

Before I utter a word here, I want to say that from the point of view of aesthetics, online experience, and the sheer joy of living, I agree agree agree, those things are ANNOYING! Grrrrr! and all that! I'm with you, I hear you Brothers and Sisters!

BUT!

'You Are Not Your Market' is a great mantra, too often ignored.

And yes, the attitude of not wanting to piss people off by adopting that style even if it makes more money is laudable, but is it really rooted in reality? Do they really get that pissed off?

Consider this: Brian MacLeod raises another really important point when he mentions "niche sites outside the make-money market".

The REASON so many of us marketers get ultra annoyed by all kinds of devices used to grab our attention, our email addresses, and yes, even our cash IS: we see it so OFTEN! By the very nature of our business, many of us, especially new to the game and still (come on, admit it now!) serial shoppers when it comes to IM products, are likely to be looking at conservative 10 to 20 sales pages a day. So YEAH - it's going to annoy the heck out of you - it does me too! - when you are seeing one of these pop-ups for the 12th time.

Whereas people in normal, civilized niches, people who are surfing for a nice ebook on How To Shave Your Cat, don't see this every day and don't get anywhere near as annoyed. They do often however, like seeing the price lowered before their very eyes by a pretty girl in a box offering to shave the price of cat shaving. Seriously, they do!

But let's step back and look at this. Let's even return to the IM niche: with the greatest respect to everyone here, lots of people will post on this forum insisting that they will not buy, have never bought, will always steer clear of, etc. They post this BECAUSE they hope it will stop people doing it.

First of all: it probabaly won't. In the marketer's ears, conversion figures talk louder than forum posters.

Second: Be honest! Can you honestly say that you have always totally refused to buy products you would otherwise have considered, simply because they had an exit popup? Or ... can you honestly say that you have never reconsidered, after seeing an intriguing product's $37 price tag reduced to a mere $17?? - even though you had to endure the 5-second horror of Nancy the virtual assistant to find this out?

I bet not. But if you really do answer yes to those questions, then you really are cutting off your face to spite your nose

We are all, presumably on the same page when it comes to what we are searching for: great value for less money. If you see a product that you believe will solve your problem, and you think it's a fair price, and then you are suddenly told (by dear sweet brainless Nancy or Bob) that you can have it for half the quoted price - is it really WISE to walk away, just so you can punish the marketer for bugging you with a pop-up?

In effect all you are saying to the marketer is: don't bother offering good quality for less money, because I don't want to know.

Don't get me wrong. We are right to make our feelings known about these things, and this forum is the best place to do it. But we can't argue with these guys when they say it makes money, because it really does.

Ken

[Steve Crooks]

I find it incredibly annoying personally and wouldn't dream of using it on my sites. I wouldn't mind so much if you just had to click a big "no thanks" button to get rid of rather than having to work out if you need to press the OK or cancel button.

Out of principle any site that employs these pop ups will not be getting my business.

[SimonHarrison]

I implemented it for a client, we offered a trial version of the main product at a vastly reduced price.

We increased sales by about 22% , adding tens of thousands monthly to the bottom line.

I don't find them irratating at all , infact I purposely go and check every one out I come across to see their version of the implementation but I would think Joe Bloggs would find them quite irratating.

On the other hand he has dozens of customers a week thanking him for the chance to get hold of his product "cheap".

I won't put them on my own sites as I have a closer relationship with my customers, but for somebody in a niche where it's more of a one off gig and they are more interested in the bottom line, not only do they work if configured correctly they can add serious revenue to your income.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by davebo

But the way that most Warriors feign outrage over a lot of things here, you'd think that this was a charity. I suspect that most people talk a bigger game than the actual practice.

Tend to agree, the holier than thou contingent do at times tend to get up my nose. The simplest of marketing techniques turns into the moral equivalent of cookie stuffing.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by Hesaidblissfully

I'd think people would be just as annoyed by knowing that they ended up paying full price for something that they could've gotten for a $20 or more discount simply for clicking off the page

I would think that was an extremely daft use of the technology, and liable to certainly end up with you getting angry customers etc.

If you implement it right, your customers tend to be thankful rather than angry.

[SimonHarrison]

Originally Posted by Steve Crooks

I find it incredibly annoying personally and wouldn't dream of using it on my sites. I wouldn't mind so much if you just had to click a big "no thanks" button to get rid of rather than having to work out if you need to press the OK or cancel button.

Out of principle any site that employs these pop ups will not be getting my business.

The technology is clumpy , I agree, it's so counter intuative, the whole "click cancel on the next page to continue" etc.

I would love it if on exit you simply got a " Click Yes If you Would Like This Discount - Click NO , if you would like to leave".

It would be vastly less annoying and vastly more effective for getting sales, even now we have people contact us who screwed up and tried to get the discount but pushed the wrong button.

While it could certainly do with a clean up in operation, the truth is the concept, if implemented correctly is sound and perfectly ethical .

Intellichat is an ok solution but I was never that impressed, there is s/w out there that's vastly superior and easy to configure with much more flexibility.

[peetred]

I personally prefer a down sell or bonus offer pop-up instead, that gives a special offer if they are going to leave... and they can choose to look at it or click "no thanx". A little bit less offensive I think, and they hopefully getting a good offer.

[Lance K]

I like them too.

They're still pretty fresh though. But they are pretty unobtrusive, so I don't see any reason to dislike them.

Originally Posted by Jared Alberghini

Not to break up the enthralling "I hate them", "But they work" back and forth battle too much,

What do you all think of the slide-up footer ads? like this one I have been working on:

Affiliate Niche Monster - Footer Ad Demo

I think they are quite cool... however I may be jaded, since I'm developing one...

Back to your regularly scheduled program.

[Ross Bowring]

Those footers are real nice. Unobtrusive yet impossible to ignore.

[Freeman77]

Wouldn't it suck if every time you tried to shut down a program, you got a "Wait, don't go!" screen? Well, actually that does happen quite a lot. For example, when I close Firefox I get a "Are you sure you want to exit all your tabs" message. Or if I exit a game I get, "Are you sure you want to leave" (sometimes games even taunt you for leaving).

[Steven Carl Kelly]

If I used any sort of intrusive device, it would be the slide-up footer as in Jared's demo. Those meet my personal standards of not being too intrusive yet commanding attention and not creating a new dialog box or opening an additional window.

[theimdude]

Originally Posted by Steven Carl Kelly

I think in some cases adding these exit pop-ups are simply a lazy way to increase conversion rates. If I wanted to increase conversion by half a percent, I'd first concentrate on the copy and the sales page itself before I threw an exit pop-up on the site.

But to each his own. Personally, I'm extremely turned off by them and therefore I'm currently not interested in using them. Could they make me a little bit more money? Maybe. But I'd rather feel good about my marketing efforts.

Steven you a bit narrow minded here as this is part of marketing. The only reason you know about these tactics is because you into IM.

So do you also disagree with walking into a shop and as you walk out the owner runs to you outside the shop and offer you a free product. Would you also pull up your nose and walk away and never go back to the shop?

My take on this.

As I do IM and know how this work if I want something I will load the page first and then backtrack to look what discount I can get.

But what makes me mad is if the opening price is $47 and the discount is $25 and even madder when I leave the discount offer is another discount which make the product now like $7 as that proves the vendor is offering something of no value

I get cheesed of with vendors doing pop ups when I enter a page. Let me read first and then decide.

[Steven Carl Kelly]

Originally Posted by theimdude

Steven you a bit narrow minded here as this is part of marketing.

These devices are a part of marketing, and a part I choose not to use on my sites. Others may use them as much as they like, that is completely their own choice.