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Hello
firstly I have a local work, but am compelled to profit from the Internet to cover my needs
I chose the affiliate marketing with jvzoo

I promote a good links like - seo, mailing-list that has big sales -
in the social media and paid ads and i spend my only money without any sales

I avoided creation sites and get traffic because it's difficult to me
but i heard about email list and many people tell me to go to this forum and you will satisfied and when i browse the full forum i learn very useful things but
the result still no sales

i want to share with you my pain of hours and hours trying to do my first sale
and want something to know from you and from who has some day the feeling of a really newbie.

Thank you for your viewing and commenting
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  • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
    you got build email list?

    actually I believe e mail list is the fast way to sell..

    why I know , because I witness my self , selling one product at Jvzoo and my affiliate told me he has 100k list to promote my stuff

    BUT sadly his list is ....I can't blame him as he affiliate for me.....problem too many charge back till I at lost in return....
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    • Profile picture of the author jhontop2015
      Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

      you got build email list?

      actually I believe e mail list is the fast way to sell..

      why I know , because I witness my self , selling one product at Jvzoo and my affiliate told me he has 100k list to promote my stuff

      BUT sadly his list is ....I can't blame him as he affiliate for me.....problem too many charge back till I at lost in return....
      sadly to hear that
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by Devilfish168 View Post

      you got build email list?

      actually I believe e mail list is the fast way to sell..

      why I know , because I witness my self , selling one product at Jvzoo and my affiliate told me he has 100k list to promote my stuff

      BUT sadly his list is ....I can't blame him as he affiliate for me.....problem too many charge back till I at lost in return....
      Actually, you can and should blame your "affiliate." If he sold a bunch of products for you and then several days later the charge backs started rolling in, it means you fell victim to a common scam that occurs when you pay instant commissions to an affiliate that you don't know or have no prior relationship with.

      The "affiliate" uses stolen credit card numbers to buy your product using his/her affiliate link. Then they get paid their commissions instantly. After they make a bunch of sales, they empty out the PayPal account that they most likely opened with a stolen ID.

      When the people who have had their credit card numbers stolen realize they have a fraudulent charge on their account, they call their credit card company and that results in a charge back. Now you are not only on the hook for the full refund cost, but you have to pay a $20 fee for EACH charge back.

      This happened to me once when I approved an affiliate for instant commissions when I did not know them. Long story short -- that little mistake cost me quite a bit of money and even more aggravation.

      NEVER approve an affiliate for instant commissions if they do not have a solid sales history and/or you have not worked with them or heard of them before.
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  • Profile picture of the author AlexCN
    Many people do not buy the first time they see something. If you
    aren't capturing names, you are at a big disadvantage.

    This type of 'marketing' (direct linking paid and social ads) can get expensive
    quickly if you don't know exactly what you are doing and aren't tracking your
    results to see which of your efforts are paying off and which are costing you money.

    100's of clicks with no sales isn't only common, it's to be expected when going through
    campaign testing.

    There are many, many variables which you didn't disclose that will also affect your results
    (ie ad spend, ads, products you are promoting, types of landing pages - if any, how you are preselling, audience you are targeting etc etc etc) as well as others.

    I hope you are starting to see that there is much more to paid advertising than just throwing out a few random campaigns and hoping the sales start flowing in.

    This is a big mistake that many new marketers make.

    There is something else you may want to consider...

    You mentioned that you haven't bothered to set up a website or start building a list because it seemed like too much trouble or too much of a bother...

    In marketing, as in life, many of your very best results will come from doing the 'hard' stuff... working on the the things you don't want to do, rather than passing your time on the stuff you want to be doing.

    Best,
    Alex
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    • Profile picture of the author jhontop2015
      Originally Posted by AlexCN View Post

      Many people do not buy the first time they see something. If you
      aren't capturing names, you are at a big disadvantage.

      This type of 'marketing' (direct linking paid and social ads) can get expensive
      quickly if you don't know exactly what you are doing and aren't tracking your
      results to see which of your efforts are paying off and which are costing you money.

      100's of clicks with no sales isn't only common, it's to be expected when going through
      campaign testing.

      There are many, many variables which you didn't disclose that will also affect your results
      (ie ad spend, ads, products you are promoting, types of landing pages - if any, how you are preselling, audience you are targeting etc etc etc) as well as others.

      I hope you are starting to see that there is much more to paid advertising than just throwing out a few random campaigns and hoping the sales start flowing in.

      This is a big mistake that many new marketers make.

      There is something else you may want to consider...

      You mentioned that you haven't bothered to set up a website or start building a list because it seemed like too much trouble or too much of a bother...

      In marketing, as in life, many of your very best results will come from doing the 'hard' stuff... working on the the things you don't want to do, rather than passing your time on the stuff you want to be doing.

      Best,
      Alex
      i totally agree with you
      i bookmarking your useful post to read again and agian
      Thank's AlexCN
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    • Profile picture of the author anayb
      Originally Posted by AlexCN View Post

      In marketing, as in life, many of your very best results will come from doing the 'hard' stuff... working on the the things you don't want to do, rather than passing your time on the stuff you want to be doing.
      This is called advice!
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  • Profile picture of the author ydsimple
    Best way to start and not to fail is to get squeeze page to collect emails and OTO, to start making sales instantly. Proven system to work and you can see fast results.
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    • Profile picture of the author jhontop2015
      Originally Posted by ydsimple View Post

      Best way to start and not to fail is to get squeeze page to collect emails and OTO, to start making sales instantly. Proven system to work and you can see fast results.

      i really appreciate your comment
      and i will focus on your advice
      thank you very much ydsimple
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    • Profile picture of the author Profit Traveler
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      Originally Posted by ydsimple View Post

      Best way to start and not to fail is to get squeeze page to collect emails and OTO, to start making sales instantly. Proven system to work and you can see fast results.

      That should be a STICKY POST.

      To be clear...

      Offer something free, promote something paid in the process. Build that list and make money.

      Simple and works and too often ignored.
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      • Profile picture of the author jhontop2015
        Originally Posted by Profit Traveler View Post

        That should be a STICKY POST.

        To be clear...

        Offer something free, promote something paid in the process. Build that list and make money.

        Simple and works and too often ignored.
        oh thanks Profit Traveler
        i'm working on that
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    You might want to start off on Ebay, Fiverr, or freelancing work before tackling your own website. It's not as easy as people suggest it is. Most of the people on this forum have been where you are right now, and because of it, they've grown very wise, knowledgeable, and humble. It's a learning curve, but THIS is something that I think you should get started with.
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    • Profile picture of the author jhontop2015
      Originally Posted by Randall Magwood View Post

      You might want to start off on Ebay, Fiverr, or freelancing work before tackling your own website. It's not as easy as people suggest it is. Most of the people on this forum have been where you are right now, and because of it, they've grown very wise, knowledgeable, and humble. It's a learning curve, but THIS is something that I think you should get started with.
      that's what i need
      i think a good encouragement words like that
      it's most important than the ways of profit online
      thank you
      Randall Magwood
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  • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
    talking about building email list.

    also depend.

    Some WR here do not build email list yet they managed to get sales from their site.

    Most likely their sites are well engage with their followers as they slowly building up thus they keep going back to the site and browse around , checking

    and yes , with Facebook Page link with your website is another way to have followers.
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  • Profile picture of the author dana67
    Making money online takes work, no matter how you make it. Don't give up. It can take both time and effort to see results.
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    • Profile picture of the author Devilfish168
      Originally Posted by dana67 View Post

      Making money online takes work, no matter how you make it. Don't give up. It can take both time and effort to see results.
      true,

      but the key point is " how does it take to see your seed finally grow to a tree "

      also sometimes we need to fine tune, tweak here and there. ( we don't know where go wrong ) very long the result is either not good or bad thus some newbie will wonder where go wrong and change around.
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  • Profile picture of the author skybridgedomains
    You need to create a brand for your self that is challenging in self, those other marketers who claim they are successful is probably true but only because they are good at selling and marketing. Not relying on one single source is always recommended.
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  • Profile picture of the author T S Chan
    Even affiliate marketers need to build list.

    My suggestion is to start build a list by giving away valuable content.
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  • Profile picture of the author jhontop2015
    Thank you guys
    i am really began taking your advices
    especially about building an email list
    I was expecting this interaction with my sharing because i know
    the quality of people who i am ask for help
    your advices make me feel better
    thanks a lot Devilfish168 dana67 skybridgedomains
    T S Chan anayb
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  • Profile picture of the author Jasmine Carter
    I have shared your frustrations and thought that if I promoted a great product then the bucks would just come rolling in. They didn't. Yes an email list is essential to a LONG term business in the internet marketing platform. It is all about building relationships. When you see some long time best friend on the street and they recommend a product to you, you are more likely to buy it because it is your friend. Well the same goes with relationships online. You can keep offering those great products but build relationships with those people and keep selling to the same people because they already trust you and already bought from you and that's when the big bucks roll in.
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  • Profile picture of the author RefuseToLose
    This forum has a big problem of repeating the same stuff over and over and it helps nobody. Want the hard truth? Here it is..


    1. Your english is bad. If you are trying to sell stuff in the english market I would suggest you stop, and go focus on your own language market. The internet is getting bigger everyday and what ever country you are from should be ripe for the taking.

    2. By focusing on your own language you will learn the fundamentals of selling better so that when you do decide to expand into the bigger markets like US, you will understand what it takes to sell something.

    3. This has nothing to do with building lists, or any of the other copy and paste advice you got in this thread. If you don't know how to sell and convince people to buy your products then doing things like building a list will be useless to you.

    4. 10 years ago you might of been able to get away with sending links to emails and expecting people to buy. Those easy days are long gone. You have to work on your selling and marketing skills which are lacking obviously. If you don't do that now, you will never stand a chance at selling anything.
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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by RefuseToLose View Post

      This forum has a big problem of repeating the same stuff over and over and it helps nobody. Want the hard truth? Here it is..


      1. Your english is bad. If you are trying to sell stuff in the english market I would suggest you stop, and go focus on your own language market. The internet is getting bigger everyday and what ever country you are from should be ripe for the taking.

      2. By focusing on your own language you will learn the fundamentals of selling better so that when you do decide to expand into the bigger markets like US, you will understand what it takes to sell something.

      3. This has nothing to do with building lists, or any of the other copy and paste advice you got in this thread. If you don't know how to sell and convince people to buy your products then doing things like building a list will be useless to you.

      4. 10 years ago you might of been able to get away with sending links to emails and expecting people to buy. Those easy days are long gone. You have to work on your selling and marketing skills which are lacking obviously. If you don't do that now, you will never stand a chance at selling anything.
      I have to add/question what actual knowledge does the OP have on the things he is selling? If you don't have at least some understanding of these topics, it's going to show in your marketing efforts. Especially if you are a one man show.

      My first sales did not require me to have a list. I only started building the list when I knew I had a winning product with a site that was converting and knew I was throwing out money by not having the list.

      I agree that you need to learn to sell first, as you want to be able to sell people on signing up to your list.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    I have written it before and again you don't need a list to make money !
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  • Profile picture of the author passiveincomebiz
    Jhontop - you can avoid site creation and still make money online but you are going have to tackle the issue of getting traffic/leads as that is the lifeblood of any business.

    Getting traffic might be less of an issue but still required if you offer a good service on Fiverr for example, Fiverr already has that built-in traffic.

    If I were in your shoes, I would break down what is needed to make money online to the bare necessity and then when I get more skilled and confident - I could branch out and experiment a bit.

    Find a successful marketer who has a good reputation and is offering a good converting funnel or squeeze page for his/her affiliate product. Some marketers might license their funnel for a lot, some not as much.

    The marketer would take care of the follow up emails to people who opt into the funnel as well as the products to offer and tweaks needed to better conversions. So off the bat - you don't have to deal with any of that stuff. That frees you up to do ONE thing only to make money - that would be to drive traffic to the funnel/ squeeze page.

    One possible disadvantage doing things this way is that you might be building the marketer's list and not yours. (In some situations you do get access to the leads you generate). But hopefully you'll be earning as opposed to building your own list and not having the system in place to convert.

    Solo ads would be a quick way to get leads; then you have PPC and tons of free ways to use social media platforms to get extra exposure to your funnel/squeeze page. There are lots of courses/resources offered on this platform and outside on how to drive free traffic.

    Then later as your income, knowledge and confidence grows, you can get into the other stuff if you want - creating your own products, learning how to maximize conversions etc.

    But in the beginning, keep it simple as possible, boil it down to basics, the basics being "generating traffic"
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  • Profile picture of the author gtown20andout
    You might want to try solo ads to use to promote your affiliate programs and which will also help you build your email list too.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
      Originally Posted by gtown20andout View Post

      You might want to try solo ads to use to promote your affiliate programs and which will also help you build your email list too.
      The only person who would suggest solo ads to an inexperienced newbie is an inexperienced newbie.
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Sorry, but this is somewhat of a sad thread. To the OP, you have come on here seemingly to get others to make you feel better.

    This business is not for whimps. Your Marketing efforts will be severely restricted because of your lack of English skills.

    That is something that you cannot ignore. And it should be your first priority. As another Warrior has said the Internet is growing by leaps and bounds every single day. Thus , you may want to consider marketing in your native language to those people who speak that language.

    Sorry but that is the Truth and we can go on and on and give you "feel good" replies but it will not help you one single bit


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