How I Usually Bust Dishonest Clickbank Vendors

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Just imagine what some Clickbank vendors can be up to. Some years ago, I followed a thread where Alexa Smith gave insights why she doesn't promote affiliate products with mailing list in place. The idea reverberated and struck a chord with me.

Since that very moment, I started doing something unusual as well. Whenever I have good perception about an affiliate product to promote with a mailing list, I will simply ask my partner to sign up with the vendor's mailing list through my affiliate link. Every email from the vendor to my partner is immediately forwarded and monitored for a week or two by me. I can then follow the links asking for a sale from the vendor to see the referring username and ultimately the beneficiary when a purchase is made.

Like with other dishonest Clickbank vendors I have encountered, I smelt a rat with a particular vendor and I asked my partner to buy the product from the link the vendor requested him to buy it from. Behold that sale was made but it was never credited to me as the affiliate marketer who referred the buyer for the sale.

After two weeks of not getting credited, I asked my partner to ask for refund and I personally contacted the vendor to inform him of his shameful act. Let's be careful with dishonest, dubious and greedy merchants.

To your affiliate business success!

WealthyDon
#bust #clickbank #dishonest #vendors
  • Profile picture of the author Copy Me Profits
    Good stuff don, but do you think that this could happen in jv zoo
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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      This can happen with any product that collects the visitor's opt-in information before the sale...

      Originally Posted by Copy Me Profits View Post

      Good stuff don, but do you think that this could happen in jv zoo
      regardless of the affiliate network.

      There have been many threads here on the WF discussing the dangers of promoting a sales page that has any leaks (especially an opt-in form).

      Once the merchant has captured your prospect's opt-in information, the affiliate network (and the affiliate's cookie) can easily be bypassed by the merchant by simply linking directly to the sales page on follow up emails.

      Some merchants (a very small minority) will capture the affiliate's information as a part of the opt-in form (in a hidden field), and then use that affiliate's link on subsequent follow up emails - but those are rare.

      NOTE - there is another danger when promoting products found on the affiliate networks.
      On a number of affiliate networks, when your referrals actually do purchase a product - they wind up on BOTH the merchant's buyer list as well as the affiliate network's (JVZoo is a prime example of this) buyer list. Then, not only will the merchant begin upselling to your referrals as a part of his back-end marketing strategy, but the affiliate network will also begin mailing that same referral with offers from other merchants who have listed their products in the affiliate network.
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  • Profile picture of the author Jesus Perez
    Next time, save your money and paste the links inside the email into the website below. It will reveal any affiliate ID's being overridden. Some vendors can also stuff their affiliate cookies on a separate salespage, but that's very rare.

    Redirect Detective - A Free Tool To Trace Where Redirects End Up

    And +1 on Sid's comments above. This is the reason I don't promote on JVZoo.
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    • Profile picture of the author webmarke
      Originally Posted by Jesus Perez View Post

      Next time, save your money and paste the links inside the email into the website below. It will reveal any affiliate ID's being overridden. Some vendors can also stuff their affiliate cookies on a separate salespage, but that's very rare.

      Redirect Detective - A Free Tool To Trace Where Redirects End Up

      And +1 on Sid's comments above. This is the reason I don't promote on JVZoo.
      You really don't even need that tool you mentioned.

      This is all he needed to do.

      It's what I do before promoting any affiliate offer.

      1. Get your affiliate link.
      2. Visit the vendors site through your own affiliate link
      3. Sign up using your email.
      4. Read the vendors email and click the link to visit the sales page.
      5. Click the order button on the sales page.
      6. If the vendor is legit, your affiliate ID will be at the bottom of the page on the checkout page.
      See screenshot of an example below. Note: The part I blocked out is the place where your Clickbank affiliate ID should be.


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  • Profile picture of the author ns17
    This is what I have been thinking of.. So we send the traffic to the LP of the offer and then visitor opts in to the vendors list and from there on if its a sale from the email list (of the vendor) it will be a sale of the vendor and no commissions on that. Is that right??
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    • Profile picture of the author webmarke
      Originally Posted by ns17 View Post

      This is what I have been thinking of.. So we send the traffic to the LP of the offer and then visitor opts in to the vendors list and from there on if its a sale from the email list (of the vendor) it will be a sale of the vendor and no commissions on that. Is that right??
      No...If the vendor is being fair, then he/she will cookie your affiliate id and give you credit for a sale even if the customer buys from them via follow up emails.
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      • Profile picture of the author ns17
        Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

        No...If the vendor is being fair, then he/she will cookie your affiliate id and give you credit for a sale even if the customer buys from them via follow up emails.
        Thanks that's some relief now the question that is lurking in my mind is how to find which vendor is fair and which is not...
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  • Profile picture of the author jordel
    most vendors can cookie your referal again or just use a naked link so you get the appropiate credit.

    Well i do that lol

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  • Profile picture of the author Steven Heron
    It is just hilarious how amateur and childish vendors that do this are, due to an obvious demonstration of their lack of logic and business sense.

    As a vendor for a few Clickbank products, I absolutely love it when affiliates are credit for the sale. Why? So they can promote the product more - the reward acts as an incentive to do this. Any vendor that doesn't realize this simple fact is no doubt a teen in his pants. By shaving affiliates you lose potential sales in the long term. It's so obvious its striking that many vendors don't get this simple fact.

    Move on and find a real product to promote with a vendor that understands long term instead of short term profit.
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Steven Heron View Post

      It is just hilarious how amateur and childish vendors that do this are, due to an obvious demonstration of their lack of logic and business sense.

      As a vendor for a few Clickbank products, I absolutely love it when affiliates are credit for the sale. Why? So they can promote the product more - the reward acts as an incentive to do this. Any vendor that doesn't realize this simple fact is no doubt a teen in his pants. By shaving affiliates you lose potential sales in the long term. It's so obvious its striking that many vendors don't get this simple fact.

      Move on and find a real product to promote with a vendor that understands long term instead of short term profit.
      You have a valid point, but when vendors on Clickbank are paying out 50%, 75% or more products that tend to have a limited shelf life (like MMO "systems"), I also understand the urge to save as many of those commissions as possible. Especially when an email the vendor sends tips the buyer into completing the sale.

      I don't condone it, but I do understand it.

      Add in the fact that a large number of CB vendors are rank beginners with a single product and little knowledge of running a long-term business, and the urge is even stronger.

      Then you have the group that lies, cheats and steals because that's what they do. Whether it's cheating an affiliate out of a few bucks on CBor JVZoo, welfare fraud, Medicare fraud, ponzi schemes, real estate scams, you name it - some people would rather cheat even though playing fair would be more profitable.

      To the OP - contacting the vendor to try to shame them likely got a chuckle from them. You'd have done us all a service by reporting him to CB and getting his backside bounced.
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  • Profile picture of the author Randall Magwood
    Originally Posted by wealthydon View Post

    Let's be careful with dishonest, dubious and greedy merchants.
    You can always eliminate this by selling your own info products.
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  • Profile picture of the author Raydal
    This is indeed an OLD topic and aged concern. The first person I
    know who brought this to internet marketers attention was
    Stephen Pierce with the publication of his book, The Whole Truth.
    The solution is to collect names and send them to the offer and then
    follow up on them yourself. Takes more effort, but the reward is
    worth it.

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  • Profile picture of the author zuberr
    I usually don't promote an affiliate product where the vendor is building an email list. I'd rather do the same amount of work and build my own list, and nurture the list with quality information, so I can earn from them on several occasions.

    If I really have to promote a product where the vendor is building list, then I make sure I know who I am dealing with.
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    • Profile picture of the author ns17
      Originally Posted by zuberr View Post

      I usually don't promote an affiliate product where the vendor is building an email list. I'd rather do the same amount of work and build my own list, and nurture the list with quality information, so I can earn from them on several occasions.

      If I really have to promote a product where the vendor is building list, then I make sure I know who I am dealing with.

      This method looks fine and is almost like having your own product but how do you do this?.. Could you give an actual example of this... like showing the real LP's and how do you redirect them to the order page from your email list.....
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      • Profile picture of the author Leli
        Easy; e.g. offer them a free downloadable pdf report or a short email course around the topic. Then, promote the product in the pdf or emails and at the same time you'll be building a list to which you can continuously market.
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    • Profile picture of the author webmarke
      Originally Posted by zuberr View Post

      I usually don't promote an affiliate product where the vendor is building an email list. I'd rather do the same amount of work and build my own list, and nurture the list with quality information, so I can earn from them on several occasions.

      If I really have to promote a product where the vendor is building list, then I make sure I know who I am dealing with.
      I find that hard to believe. In 2016...Any vendor who is not collecting their customers email addresses are not going to be able to maintain their business.

      Most vendors profits come from their backend. They collect their customers email addresses and then promote higher price products to them via email.
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      • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
        Hey webmarke,

        The key word in your response is "customers".

        Originally Posted by webmarke View Post

        I find that hard to believe. In 2016...Any vendor who is not collecting their customers email addresses are not going to be able to maintain their business.

        Most vendors profits come from their backend. They collect their customers email addresses and then promote higher price products to them via email.
        Yes, most vendors create an email list, but they do NOT collect those email addresses on the front-end if they are depending on affiliates. Instead, they collect a buyers list (preferably automatic... no opt-in required) after each sale.

        My impression is that most vendors also maintain a non-buyers (prospect) list, but that needs to be done through a separate sales funnel with that extra step inserted at the beginning, or as a separate, stand-alone lead generation effort.
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        • Profile picture of the author KristiD
          I'm glad I found this thread. I haven't tried affiliate marketing but the courses I looked at stated that CB acted similar to an escrow company that would track sales, refunds etc. If CB and JVZoo aren't protecting your interests are there any that do?
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
    Banned
    None of this would even matter If you wasn't sending the CB traffic to the default sales page.

    Also keep in mind, If the CB product sales page looks like spam, odds are the vendor isn't trustworthy.
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  • Profile picture of the author kevinclarke
    Very eye opening* You have to be mega careful online. Someone recently gained access to one of my clickbank accounts and my Warrior Plus account - I lost hundred of dollars and damage was done to my online presence. The money is not my main concern, it's the trust that was damaged. I invested plenty of time to build quality relationships. I had to prove my innocence - fortunately, things are fine now. More wiser.
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  • Profile picture of the author EPoltrack77
    If that whats your niche is about... If not then I would not worry about it and spend your time on more productive task for your business.
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  • Profile picture of the author kazimuhith
    I am baffled as to why the vendors do that. Personally I get elated when an affiliate makes a sale of my product in clickbank. Because I know that I have convinced another affiliate that my product converts! Then he/she can trust me. Then it becomes highly likely that he/she will promote my present and future products.

    The dishonest clickbank vendors are like weeds. They should be plunked outta the garden.
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