Got my first Adwords client, now what? How to handle the workflow?

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Hi,

advice with Adwords, please.

How would you suggest to handle the workflow of managing a client's account?

A client hired me to optimize their account and I linked it with my manager account.

What to ask them prior to starting work with keywords? How often to report to them? How to make suggestions for everything?

Also, should I pay for the clicks while I manage their account? Or can they pay and I will see the budget available?

Thanks
#adwords #client #handle #workflow
  • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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    What possessed you to take on a client that you have absolutely no idea how to service?

    You're bound to lose money on this deal, but I guess if you 'rinse and repeat' you can make it up on volume.

    Cheers. - Frank
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    My first reaction was to feel sorry for the client, especially if he was naive enough to pay up front. Then I reminded myself that the only way some people learn to duck is to get punched in the face.

    Perhaps you might want to consider learning how to manage an Adwords account (yours) before trying to sell the service.

    This reminds me of the "Offline Gold" hysteria that went through here a few years ago. Every day there were new posts by desperate people whose mouths wrote checks their skills couldn't cash.

    I'd say you should return the money and learn your business.

    [I wonder what the over/under is on # of posts before someone suggests Fiverr?]
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      I'd say you should return the money and learn your business.

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      And be happy if he does not charge you interest
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  • Profile picture of the author Gambino
    Of course u should built a list, try fiverr and just take MASSIVE action then u will be huge success.

    great post
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Gambino View Post

      Of course u should built a list, try fiverr and just take MASSIVE action then u will be huge success.

      great post
      Did you even read the Post? Or is this just a Bot ??
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  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi Silver20,

    AdWords is the most competitive marketplace for advertisers on the planet. You need a bit of experience before you can competently manage campaigns for clients. My advice to you is to hire an experienced AdWords account manager, or sub it out to an agency. That way you can maintain your own reputation, service the client properly, all while you watch over the shoulder of a professional to learn the craft. Otherwise, you are setting yourself and your new client up for a fail.

    Having said that, you can never learn anything until you actually start doing it. So if you and your client are willing to invest money in your education then please follow this advice:

    Start with a goal that is based on your client's primary business objective. I can't tell you how many times people have come to this forum asking whether their campaign stats were good, or bad. Typically they have never even bothered to set a goal, and when asked, it is something vague like "make as many conversions as possible". If you have no specific goal then you can never reach it.

    Let me make an analogy:

    Think of your marketing campaigns as a sailing vessel and yourself as the captain of that vessel. If you set sail with no particular port in mind then how will you know if you are on course, or whether you are making progress toward any worthwhile goal?

    If you ask the captain of a passing ship if you are on course for your objective, how will he answer you if you haven't even picked a waypoint?

    Launching an AdWords campaign without a clear objective, and no specific goals, will leave just as lost as a poor sailor who sets out without a specific port in mind, nor charts to guide his journey. If you have a clear objective, and a specific, measurable, and time-bound goal for your campaigns then at least you will know if you are making progress, or just lost in an ocean of competition where you will eventually sink, taking your client's business with you to the bottom of the sea.

    Don't be that idiot that goes out and sinks his boat, taking his paying passengers down with him, just because he didn't want to hire a competent captain to man the helm.
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    • Profile picture of the author Reddevil007
      Originally Posted by dburk View Post

      Hi Silver20,

      AdWords is the most competitive marketplace for advertisers on the planet. You need a bit of experience before you can competently manage campaigns for clients. My advice to you is to hire an experienced AdWords account manager, or sub it out to an agency. That way you can maintain your own reputation, service the client properly, all while you watch over the shoulder of a professional to learn the craft. Otherwise, you are setting yourself and your new client up for a fail.

      Having said that, you can never learn anything until you actually start doing it. So if you and your client are willing to invest money in your education then please follow this advice:

      Start with a goal that is based on your client's primary business objective. I can't tell you how many times people have come to this forum asking whether their campaign stats were good, or bad. Typically they have never even bothered to set a goal, and when asked, it is something vague like "make as many conversions as possible". If you have no specific goal then you can never reach it.

      Let me make an analogy:

      Think of your marketing campaigns as a sailing vessel and yourself as the captain of that vessel. If you set sail with no particular port in mind then how will you know if you are on course, or whether you are making progress toward any worthwhile goal?

      If you ask the captain of a passing ship if you are on course for your objective, how will he answer you if you haven't even picked a waypoint?

      Launching an AdWords campaign without a clear objective, and no specific goals, will leave just as lost as a poor sailor who sets out without a specific port in mind, nor charts to guide his journey. If you have a clear objective, and a specific, measurable, and time-bound goal for your campaigns then at least you will know if you are making progress, or just lost in an ocean of competition where you will eventually sink, taking your client's business with you to the bottom of the sea.

      Don't be that idiot that goes out and sinks his boat, taking his paying passengers down with him, just because he didn't want to hire a competent captain to man the helm.
      Really admire your indepth information surrounding adwords. OP see if you can outsource the service to this guy and maybe you guys can workout something
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  • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
    Originally Posted by Silver20 View Post

    Hi,

    advice with Adwords, please.

    How would you suggest to handle the workflow of managing a client's account?

    A client hired me to optimize their account and I linked it with my manager account.

    What to ask them prior to starting work with keywords? How often to report to them? How to make suggestions for everything?

    Also, should I pay for the clicks while I manage their account? Or can they pay and I will see the budget available?

    Thanks
    Holy crap, dude! How many adwords campaigns have you managed? Are you at least Adwords certified by Google?

    Honestly, the questions you're asking show that you have absolutely no idea what you're doing. Even worse, you want clients to pay you for not knowing what you're doing.

    Fire your first client. Tell them politely that you won't be able to complete their project. Trust me, a paying client does not want to hold an Adwords manager's hand while you learn the ropes. They want results and a good ROI.

    Trust me, it's better to cut things off now than have a pissed off client demanding a refund. That's not the way to start your business.

    Gain experience!!! Manage your own Adwords campaigns first. If you become successful at that, then move to doing some pro bono work for a non profit or something. It'll teach you how to deal with clients without having to worry about money. They can also be great references for when you start finding paying cients. I did this when I began as a freelance writer and the experience was invaluable!

    In short, learn this stuff BEFORE you start taking on cliemts. No one here will hold your hand.
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    • Profile picture of the author jamesbrands
      Originally Posted by BradVert2013 View Post

      Holy crap, dude! How many adwords campaigns have you managed? Are you at least Adwords certified by Google?

      Honestly, the questions you're asking show that you have absolutely no idea what you're doing. Even worse, you want clients to pay you for not knowing what you're doing.

      Fire your first client. Tell them politely that you won't be able to complete their project. Trust me, a paying client does not want to hold an Adwords manager's hand while you learn the ropes. They want results and a good ROI.

      Trust me, it's better to cut things off now than have a pissed off client demanding a refund. That's not the way to start your business.

      Gain experience!!! Manage your own Adwords campaigns first. If you become successful at that, then move to doing some pro bono work for a non profit or something. It'll teach you how to deal with clients without having to worry about money. They can also be great references for when you start finding paying cients. I did this when I began as a freelance writer and the experience was invaluable!

      In short, learn this stuff BEFORE you start taking on cliemts. No one here will hold your hand.
      Are you serious?

      Where in the opening post does it even suggest he knows nothing about AdWords - it's obvious he needs help with the working relationship.

      You don't need to be certified to run profitable AdWords campaigns.

      Gain experience!!! in reading questions properly before jumping on the bandwagon.
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      • Profile picture of the author BradVert2013
        Originally Posted by jamesbrands View Post

        Are you serious?

        Where in the opening post does it even suggest he knows nothing about AdWords - it's obvious he needs help with the working relationship.

        You don't need to be certified to run profitable AdWords campaigns.

        Gain experience!!! in reading questions properly before jumping on the bandwagon.
        I'm very serious.

        The original post suggests inexperience with Adwords. The fact the OP is asking these questions shows that he/she is not ready to take on clients. OP should know exactly the right questions to ask the client to nail down the right keywords. That's basic Adwords 101.

        You're right, you don't need to be Adwords certified to run an Adwords campaign. But it does show a basic level of knowledge and best practices. It also shows commitment on the OP's part.

        Would you trust the OP with hundreds, or even thousands of your own dollars to run your Adwords campaign? I certainly wouldn't.
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  • Profile picture of the author laurencewins
    I do writing and editing and have been for over 6 years. I still knock back work if it's not something within my skill set as "writing" encompasses such a huge area.
    I certainly would never try to do work for any client, regardless of the money involved, if I didn't know what I was doing.

    OP. My advice to you is partly what has already been mentioned. If the client has paid you, refund their money and explain that you're so new to it all that you have zero experience.
    Then do your research. Run your own campaigns and learn so you can do work for other people. Clients don't want to pay somebody who can't do what they want done. That's the bottom line.
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  • Profile picture of the author Silver20
    Thank you for feedback everyone. I have managed my own campaigns with success, but I guess I should have phrased my question way differently.

    What are the best practices when taking on a client? This is the first time I have to report to someone else.
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    • Profile picture of the author agmccall
      Originally Posted by Silver20 View Post

      Thank you for feedback everyone. I have managed my own campaigns with success, but I guess I should have phrased my question way differently.

      What are the best practices when taking on a client? This is the first time I have to report to someone else.

      Just do for the client what you do for yourself. That is, if your own adwords campaigns are successful.

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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by Silver20 View Post

      Thank you for feedback everyone. I have managed my own campaigns with success, but I guess I should have phrased my question way differently.

      What are the best practices when taking on a client? This is the first time I have to report to someone else.
      Absolutely, this is a MUCH different question.

      Much of taking on a new client is setting expectations - both the client's and yours. Negotiate the scope of your project - what the goals are, what you will do, how often you will report, payment schedules, etc.

      Agree on the details before you start, then write them down and both of you sign it. Not because you don't trust each other, but, in the words of an old Chinese proverb, "the faintest ink is more accurate than the sharpest memory."

      Then both of you live up to the agreement.

      Here's a hint, though. DO NOT promise specific results. Ever. You can do everything right, and somebody comes out of left field with more money than brains and blows your carefully crafted plan to bits. Only make specific promises about things you absolutely control - number of keywords bid on, ad spend limits, etc.

      You might want to also drop into the online/offline section and ask a question like your second one, while avoiding like heck your first one.
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  • Profile picture of the author HarrisSmith
    Obviously u ought to constructed a rundown, attempt fiverr and simply make MASSIVE move then u will be gigantic achievement.
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    • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
      Originally Posted by HarrisSmith View Post

      Obviously u ought to constructed a rundown, attempt fiverr and simply make MASSIVE move then u will be gigantic achievement.
      Here's the answer...so obvious.

      This post is another good reminder to do your research, or you might end up hiring a muppet.
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  • Profile picture of the author maxsi
    I Agree => you might want to consider learning how to manage an Adwords account (yours) before trying to sell the service
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    • Profile picture of the author TenaciousGrease
      Originally Posted by Gambino View Post

      Of course u should built a list, try fiverr and just take MASSIVE action then u will be huge success.

      great post
      Originally Posted by HarrisSmith View Post

      Obviously u ought to constructed a rundown, attempt fiverr and simply make MASSIVE move then u will be gigantic achievement.

      Such amazing advice here - no wonder the Warrior Forum has gotten better since FL Took over!
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      • Profile picture of the author Gambino
        Originally Posted by TenaciousGrease View Post

        Such amazing advice here - no wonder the Warrior Forum has gotten better since FL Took over!
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        Were you even here before FL took over or are you just parroting information that you've heard? It's called sarcasm, stick around for a while and you'll see a lot of it.
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  • Profile picture of the author Gallag97
    well if you don't know how to manage his account why are you attempting to? easiest thing is to let them go, and maybe learn a bit more before acting. good luck man.
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  • Profile picture of the author 3wCorner
    How would you suggest to handle the workflow of managing a client's account?
    It is dependent on what your contract states.


    What to ask them prior to starting work with keywords? How often to report to them? How to make suggestions for everything?
    Normally, if you are hire, you will identify the keywords and present it to them why choose it. Most of the clients asks freelancers to send reports per month about their campaign and sales. If you want to suggest somethng to your client, you can contact them via email or IM (skype, Google hangout, or whatever IM software they are using).

    Also, should I pay for the clicks while I manage their account? Or can they pay and I will see the budget available?
    The client will pay their campaign. They can attach to your adwords account and set a prepaid payment for their campaign. But you're the one to set the budget on each campaign you will make.
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  • Profile picture of the author dburk
    Hi Silver20,

    Whatever you decide to do, I hope you take most of the advice you are getting in this thread with a grain of salt. Some of the things be posted are so ridiculous it had me rolling on the floor laughing.

    The old WF isn't what it used to be, it isn't even a shadow of it's old self.
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