What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum

Mohammad Afaq · 08-31-2009, 08:12 PM

Hey Warriors.

Today when I logged into warrior forum I found out that my PM inbox was 100% full and I had to delete messages to make room for new PMs.

We are only allowed to have 10 PMs in our inbox. I wanna know if you agree that we should have more space for our PMs or not.

Edit: I just read the new rules and I am totally fine with that. Sorry for this post guys.

Mogly · 08-31-2009, 08:14 PM

I think we should... I don't think its that fair really. Its almost forcing us to pay...

admin · 08-31-2009, 08:16 PM

Please read this..

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-new-post.html

Charles Washington · 08-31-2009, 08:17 PM

According to the new rules, I have room for 400.

john_kennedy · 08-31-2009, 08:23 PM

I think 10 is fine for a free member, if you need more you should become a full member. You can download your old messages to your computer if you want to save them.

John

admin · 08-31-2009, 08:23 PM

We're already getting help desk complaints that are very ironic.

Someone doing enough action and business on here to be dealing with tons of PM's a day is going to gripe about this?

Let me get this straight - you are making money here and doing good business but yet you don't want to be a full member?

Charles Washington · 08-31-2009, 08:25 PM

Hmm... I notice Allen isnt a member of the War Room.

Can I open a ticket complaining about the influx of people with access to the War Room. I would like to keep that information on the downlow.

Mohammad Afaq · 08-31-2009, 08:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admin

Please read this..

http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-new-post.html

Sorry for the post people, I didn't read the new forum rules.

Thanks for telling me about that and now I guess I will upgrade ASAP.

I totally understand what it means and I don't have a problem with that.

Sorry for not staying up to date.

Kezz · 08-31-2009, 08:29 PM

I think it's more than utterly fine.

The cost of membership is crazy low and lasts for 20 years. That is mentally good value for what is unarguably the number one online location for internet marketers.

The costs of managing this site, all the storage and bandwidth, must be astronomical.

Not to mention covering what I know must be a monumental amount of time and effort moderating this place to keep it as clean as it is.

Spend two minutes on any other forum and you appreciate just how great this forum is.

If we want all the goodies, we just have to give some thanks in the form of a little cash to the folks who are providing it.

That's the least we can do.

Mark-Dickenson · 08-31-2009, 08:43 PM

Why not just force people to become a member if they want to post blogs as that seems to be the majority of the problem unless I am reading it wrong.

I personally didn't see anything wrong with the WSO section...I have purchased a lot of quality WSO's from people whom I never met on the old forum where I was mostly a lurker

I guess I am little sour because I pumped $200+ into my business today and then just came across this with no real notice

-Mark

Don Schenk · 08-31-2009, 08:53 PM

I still believe it is the best bargain on the net.

:-Don

mmurtha · 08-31-2009, 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark-Dickenson

Why not just force people to become a member if they want to post blogs as that seems to be the majority of the problem unless I am reading it wrong.

I personally didn't see anything wrong with the WSO section...I have purchased a lot of quality WSO's from people whom I never met on the old forum where I was mostly a lurker

I guess I am little sour because I pumped $200+ into my business today and then just came across this with no real notice

-Mark

Hi Mark,

I think what some people are forgetting, or don't realise is that members used to have to pay to get into this forum just a couple of years back (about 4-5 yrs ago).

The problem isn't just about the blogs. It's about the spammers, scammers, and drive-bys that don't add anything to the community. All they want to do is either get traffic and serp listing for their own sites, or make money. The WF has always been about helping each other - first think about the community, then about yourself.

Btw, it's been building up to this for some time now. If you have been fairly active, most likely you would have seen the signs.

Hope this helps ...

Mary

P.S. Sorry you are having a bad day.

Quote:

I still believe it is the best bargain on the net.

:-Don

It is!

Michael Mayo · 08-31-2009, 09:05 PM

Hi Mark,

I'm Not sure why you think this effects your expenses today?

This won't effect your membership at the Warrior Forum because you're a
War Room Member already. Therefore you will receive all privileges
accordingly related.

Maybe I missed your point? If so I apologize and will stand corrected when you reply.

Have a Great Day!
Michael

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark-Dickenson

Why not just force people to become a member if they want to post blogs as that seems to be the majority of the problem unless I am reading it wrong.

I personally didn't see anything wrong with the WSO section...I have purchased a lot of quality WSO's from people whom I never met on the old forum where I was mostly a lurker

I guess I am little sour because I pumped $200+ into my business today and then just came across this with no real notice

-Mark

Kevin Riley · 08-31-2009, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mogly

I think we should... I don't think its that fair really. Its almost forcing us to pay...

So, you expect storage space for free? Get a grip!

What the Warrior Forum offers is far more than fair. Paying $37 to join is a joke - it should be at least that much per year, and wouldn't be remiss if it was a monthly fee.

I don't think some of you appreciate what you have here.

aniebee · 08-31-2009, 09:44 PM

I agree with the decision, been meaning to join for some time now

, but it did come as a bit of a surprise.
Ann

Mark-Dickenson · 08-31-2009, 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Hi Mark,

I'm Not sure why you think this effects your expenses today?

This won't effect your membership at the Warrior Forum because you're a
War Room Member already. Therefore you will receive all privileges
accordingly related.

Maybe I missed your point? If so I apologize and will stand corrected when you reply.

Have a Great Day!
Michael

Hello Michael,

I joined after basically being strong armed into it when I logged into my acct.

If there was a little notice, that would have been much better received

I just don't agree with how it was done but I am going to leave it at that as I want to continue to be a member and don't want to get banned

-Mark

Quote:

I think what some people are forgetting, or don't realise is that members used to have to pay to get into this forum just a couple of years back

I see...I didn't realize that

Quote:

Mary

P.S. Sorry you are having a bad day.

Actually, I am having an AWESOME day...2 of my sites that were Google dancing came back to their home on page 1 for 3 buyer keywords so had a killer day in sales...so I am actually going to pour a drink

Jeremy Kelsall · 08-31-2009, 09:56 PM

The flood of threads that are made about this over the next couple of days is going to be nothing less than Stupid.

Allen made the decision he made...I mean, what the hell? It's not like you can't log in and browse the forum...you can't store tons of PM's or run WSO's if you don't join the paid membership.

I really don't see what the big deal is?

Rod Cortez · 08-31-2009, 10:05 PM

< Grabs popcorn and leans back on the recliner >

admin · 08-31-2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark-Dickenson

Hello Michael,

I joined after basically being strong armed into it when I logged into my acct.

If there was a little notice, that would have been much better received

I just don't agree with how it was done but I am going to leave it at that as I want to continue to be a member and don't want to get banned

-Mark

I understand how you feel Mark. There really wasn't any other way to do it than just do it. I can't mail the entire database of the forum because of spam issues (long story) and the Force Users to Read a Thread no longer works. A notice sucks because many have developed some kind of ad blindness so the only option was to just do it...like Nike says :-)

admin · 08-31-2009, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

I agree, Jeremy. Hey, guys, it could be worse...if it was my decision, I'd make it so you had to be a paying member to even have a signature. That would definitely thin the ranks a bit now, wouldn't it?

Tina

I seriously pondered exactly that. I figured that would be pushing it - for now. Let the first shock subside ;-)

Michael Mayo · 08-31-2009, 10:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admin

I understand how you feel Mark. There really wasn't any other way to do it than just do it. I can't mail the entire database of the forum because of spam issues (long story) and the Force Users to Read a Thread no longer works. A notice sucks because many have developed some kind of ad blindness so the only option was to just do it...like Nike says :-)

I'm with you on that Allen,

Mark, As I said, I stand corrected.

Thank you for a Damn good answer!

Have a Great Day!
Michael

Michael Mayo · 08-31-2009, 10:19 PM

Hey Allen,

I just have one question. Why don't you have a War Room Title...lol j/k
admin
Allen

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Have a Great Day!
Michael

Bev Clement · 08-31-2009, 11:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Michael Mayo

Hey Allen,

I just have one question. Why don't you have a War Room Title...lol j/k
admin
Allen

Join Date: May 2002
Location: The South
Posts: 5,502
Thanks: 96
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Have a Great Day!
Michael

Michael, that's easy to answer. PayPal won't let you send money to yourself.

mmurtha · 09-01-2009, 12:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mark-Dickenson

I see...I didn't realize that

Actually, I am having an AWESOME day...2 of my sites that were Google dancing came back to their home on page 1 for 3 buyer keywords so had a killer day in sales...so I am actually going to pour a drink

Hi Mark,

I didn't think you realized it when you posted prior to mine, but don't think anything about it. No harm, no foul.

And I'm glad it was an awesome day for you. Mine has been too for the same reason.

countonuspr · 09-01-2009, 12:21 AM

I was really expecting it to be yearly charge and would not have hesitated to pay $37/monthly for all of the value you get from here. The learning, the systems, the networking, etc. You can't beat it for the price. All he did was make the forum better by making this decision!

Ut · 09-01-2009, 01:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by countonuspr

I was really expecting it to be yearly charge and would not have hesitated to pay $37/monthly for all of the value you get from here. The learning, the systems, the networking, etc. You can't beat it for the price. All he did was make the forum better by making this decision!

You are so right countonuspr...

I think I joined all of the paid membership sites that Allen created since 1999 and I can tell you that I benefited greatly from all of them.

Good move Allen.

MustafaKamal · 09-01-2009, 01:15 AM

Whoa. Yearly charges are okay. But monthly payments? Now that, for a frugal internet marketeer, would be costly.

Paul Myers · 09-01-2009, 04:59 AM

Allen,

Quote:

Let me get this straight - you are making money here and doing good business but yet you don't want to be a full member?

There's a name for life forms that drain energy and substance from the host, without giving anything back to support their benefactor...

Burn 'em off with a cigar.

Paul

Bev Clement · 09-01-2009, 06:55 AM

Allen, have you considered having everybody using their name as their username here?

Having people to join the War Room to list is wso will be interesting for those who have multiple names here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Allen,There's a name for life forms that drain energy and substance from the host, without giving anything back to support their benefactor...

Burn 'em off with a cigar.

Paul

Paul it's all about giving and taking, their mentality is "you give and I'll take"

seoblue · 09-01-2009, 08:10 AM

I think 20 messages in PM will work..we have to delete mails one time..

BIG Mike · 09-01-2009, 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by admin

We're already getting help desk complaints that are very ironic.

Someone doing enough action and business on here to be dealing with tons of PM's a day is going to gripe about this?

Let me get this straight - you are making money here and doing good business but yet you don't want to be a full member?

A few years back when I used to run a lot of WSO's, I figured out that for every post I made here, I was earning over $100. Doing some quick math, that number is significantly higher per post today.

So the cost of my membership works out to about 1 and a half sentences of the average post I make...now that's ROI

john_kennedy · 09-01-2009, 08:14 AM

I don't delete my PMs until I save them. If you go into your PM inbox and scroll to the bottom, there are 3 links down there that will download your inbox and outbox to either XML, CVS or TXT. At the end of each month I download everything and then delete the conversations that are complete. Anytime I need to refer back, I can open my saved file and easily find the information.

John

Chad Kimball · 09-01-2009, 10:21 AM

I have a PM manager that I created to use here on warriorforum. You can download all your messages with it, reply to messages etc...

its free: WarriorForum.com Private Message Manager (Free Software)

I've been using it for quite a while for my self, but you can feel free to use it also

rgenterprise · 09-01-2009, 02:39 PM

Never noticed that. That solves my only problem w/ this thing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by john_kennedy

I don't delete my PMs until I save them. If you go into your PM inbox and scroll to the bottom, there are 3 links down there that will download your inbox and outbox to either XML, CVS or TXT. At the end of each month I download everything and then delete the conversations that are complete. Anytime I need to refer back, I can open my saved file and easily find the information.

John

Chad Kimball · 09-02-2009, 10:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rgenterprise

Never noticed that. That solves my only problem w/ this thing.

except now you'll have to do it weekly instead of monthly, PMs really add up!

MarkWrites · 09-02-2009, 10:52 AM

It's $37 for twenty years.

Cellphone, Satellite TV, House Payment, Car Payment, Health Insurance, Car Insurance, Home Phone, Groceries, and Electricity... these are just some of the things that cost me more than $37, and I have to pay them every month. They don't help me earn any income either. No complaints here.

gailg · 09-02-2009, 10:54 AM

Quote:
Having people to join the War Room to list is wso will be interesting for those who have multiple names here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises

That could have some lovely fringe benefits to cleaning up the forums...lol.

Tina

Now that is a very good point.

Mmmm should be interesting.

Gail

razztek · 09-02-2009, 12:40 PM

First of all, I totally agree with the WR and its concept and rules. But 10 PMs for "free" members? I had about 50 PMs stored. True, a lot of them I could delete, and this is just taking up server space, so that's fine. But an hour later, I had to copy/paste the ones I wanted to save and hopefully I'll put these somewhere in an email folder so I won't forget them. I kept some others in there. 10? Seriously? Yeah, I'm gonna shell out the bucks to join the WR, but 10? Maybe 20 or 25. Honestly, if you're gonna limit it to 10, might as well just make it 2 - one for any incoming - one for replies. Delete. Repeat.

BIG Mike · 09-02-2009, 02:04 PM

I think Allen is being generous with even 10 PM's - really. If it were me, non-members would not be allowed to PM at all, have a signature, or post in WSO/Product Review threads, among others.

I know...I'm a hardass about some things, but these are areas where people can easily create a fake account and cause trouble.

On the other hand, I turned off PM's on my account long ago, for a different reason, but now I'll never turn it back on. For me it's a productivity and responsiveness issue - I don't like having to check for communications in multiple places and I've found that not using PM's, gets people pointed to to my email, which is more appropriate.

08-31-2009, 08:12 PM	#1
Mohammad Afaq Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Posts: 2,035 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 678 Thanked 485 Times in 292 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum Hey Warriors. Today when I logged into warrior forum I found out that my PM inbox was 100% full and I had to delete messages to make room for new PMs. We are only allowed to have 10 PMs in our inbox. I wanna know if you agree that we should have more space for our PMs or not. Edit: I just read the new rules and I am totally fine with that. Sorry for this post guys.

08-31-2009, 08:14 PM	#2
Mogly Banned War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 209 Thanks: 61 Thanked 11 Times in 7 Posts	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum I think we should... I don't think its that fair really. Its almost forcing us to pay...

08-31-2009, 08:16 PM	#3
admin Allen Join Date: May 2002 Location: The South Posts: 5,780 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 243 Thanked 9,304 Times in 429 Posts	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum Please read this.. http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...-new-post.html
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08-31-2009, 08:23 PM	#5
john_kennedy HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mobile, AL , USA. Posts: 302 Thanks: 75 Thanked 48 Times in 43 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum I think 10 is fine for a free member, if you need more you should become a full member. You can download your old messages to your computer if you want to save them. John

08-31-2009, 08:23 PM	#6
admin Allen Join Date: May 2002 Location: The South Posts: 5,780 Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 243 Thanked 9,304 Times in 429 Posts	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum We're already getting help desk complaints that are very ironic. Someone doing enough action and business on here to be dealing with tons of PM's a day is going to gripe about this? Let me get this straight - you are making money here and doing good business but yet you don't want to be a full member?
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08-31-2009, 08:29 PM	#9
Kezz Kezz Bracey War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 1,291 Blog Entries: 5 Thanks: 322 Thanked 588 Times in 290 Posts	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum I think it's more than utterly fine. The cost of membership is crazy low and lasts for 20 years. That is mentally good value for what is unarguably the number one online location for internet marketers. The costs of managing this site, all the storage and bandwidth, must be astronomical. Not to mention covering what I know must be a monumental amount of time and effort moderating this place to keep it as clean as it is. Spend two minutes on any other forum and you appreciate just how great this forum is. If we want all the goodies, we just have to give some thanks in the form of a little cash to the folks who are providing it. That's the least we can do.
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08-31-2009, 08:43 PM	#10
Mark-Dickenson Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Downtown Seattle Posts: 928 Thanks: 25 Thanked 289 Times in 126 Posts	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum Why not just force people to become a member if they want to post blogs as that seems to be the majority of the problem unless I am reading it wrong. I personally didn't see anything wrong with the WSO section...I have purchased a lot of quality WSO's from people whom I never met on the old forum where I was mostly a lurker I guess I am little sour because I pumped $200+ into my business today and then just came across this with no real notice -Mark
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08-31-2009, 08:53 PM	#11
Don Schenk Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cincinnati, OH and beautiful Park City, UT Posts: 1,635 Thanks: 767 Thanked 493 Times in 333 Posts	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum I still believe it is the best bargain on the net. :-Don
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08-31-2009, 09:44 PM	#15
aniebee HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: TX Posts: 278 Thanks: 26 Thanked 23 Times in 20 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum I agree with the decision, been meaning to join for some time now , but it did come as a bit of a surprise. Ann

08-31-2009, 09:56 PM	#17
Jeremy Kelsall Senior Warrior Member War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: , , USA. Posts: 6,797 Blog Entries: 3 Thanks: 1,050 Thanked 3,670 Times in 1,256 Posts	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum The flood of threads that are made about this over the next couple of days is going to be nothing less than Stupid. Allen made the decision he made...I mean, what the hell? It's not like you can't log in and browse the forum...you can't store tons of PM's or run WSO's if you don't join the paid membership. I really don't see what the big deal is?
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08-31-2009, 10:05 PM	#18
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08-31-2009, 10:19 PM	#22
Michael Mayo WSOGold.com War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA. Kentucky Posts: 4,427 Blog Entries: 16 Thanks: 1,552 Thanked 1,293 Times in 658 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum Hey Allen, I just have one question. Why don't you have a War Room Title...lol j/k admin Allen Join Date: May 2002 Location: The South Posts: 5,502 Thanks: 96 Thanked 2,084 Times in 170 Posts Have a Great Day! Michael
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countonuspr PaulCounts.com War Room Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Stillwater, Oklahoma Posts: 826 Thanks: 95 Thanked 142 Times in 62 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum I was really expecting it to be yearly charge and would not have hesitated to pay $37/monthly for all of the value you get from here. The learning, the systems, the networking, etc. You can't beat it for the price. All he did was make the forum better by making this decision!
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MustafaKamal Internet Lifestyle Coach War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Singapore Posts: 365 Thanks: 11 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum Whoa. Yearly charges are okay. But monthly payments? Now that, for a frugal internet marketeer, would be costly.
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09-01-2009, 08:10 AM	#30
seoblue Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 20 Thanks: 3 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum I think 20 messages in PM will work..we have to delete mails one time..
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09-01-2009, 08:14 AM	#32
john_kennedy HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Mobile, AL , USA. Posts: 302 Thanks: 75 Thanked 48 Times in 43 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum I don't delete my PMs until I save them. If you go into your PM inbox and scroll to the bottom, there are 3 links down there that will download your inbox and outbox to either XML, CVS or TXT. At the end of each month I download everything and then delete the conversations that are complete. Anytime I need to refer back, I can open my saved file and easily find the information. John

09-01-2009, 10:21 AM	#33
Chad Kimball Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Chicago (Back of the Yards), USA. Posts: 750 Thanks: 0 Thanked 165 Times in 23 Posts	Offline PM Manager software for Warriorforum PMs I have a PM manager that I created to use here on warriorforum. You can download all your messages with it, reply to messages etc... its free: WarriorForum.com Private Message Manager (Free Software) I've been using it for quite a while for my self, but you can feel free to use it also

09-02-2009, 10:52 AM	#36
MarkWrites HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Washington State Posts: 275 Thanks: 139 Thanked 48 Times in 35 Posts Social Networking	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum It's $37 for twenty years. Cellphone, Satellite TV, House Payment, Car Payment, Health Insurance, Car Insurance, Home Phone, Groceries, and Electricity... these are just some of the things that cost me more than $37, and I have to pay them every month. They don't help me earn any income either. No complaints here.

09-02-2009, 12:40 PM	#38
razztek Rob RodenParker War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Area 51 Posts: 809 Thanks: 201 Thanked 168 Times in 150 Posts Social Networking Contact Info	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum First of all, I totally agree with the WR and its concept and rules. But 10 PMs for "free" members? I had about 50 PMs stored. True, a lot of them I could delete, and this is just taking up server space, so that's fine. But an hour later, I had to copy/paste the ones I wanted to save and hopefully I'll put these somewhere in an email folder so I won't forget them. I kept some others in there. 10? Seriously? Yeah, I'm gonna shell out the bucks to join the WR, but 10? Maybe 20 or 25. Honestly, if you're gonna limit it to 10, might as well just make it 2 - one for any incoming - one for replies. Delete. Repeat.
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09-02-2009, 02:04 PM	#39
BIG Mike Drunken Greek War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 9,605 Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 1,820 Thanked 3,631 Times in 1,055 Posts	Re: What do you guys think about the inbox size of warrior forum I think Allen is being generous with even 10 PM's - really. If it were me, non-members would not be allowed to PM at all, have a signature, or post in WSO/Product Review threads, among others. I know...I'm a hardass about some things, but these are areas where people can easily create a fake account and cause trouble. On the other hand, I turned off PM's on my account long ago, for a different reason, but now I'll never turn it back on. For me it's a productivity and responsiveness issue - I don't like having to check for communications in multiple places and I've found that not using PM's, gets people pointed to to my email, which is more appropriate.