Query Regarding Ebook Content Theft

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I have a query regarding ebook content theft.

1) If we rewrite completely from single ebook and sell my ebook is illegal?

2) If we rewrite completely from more than one ebook and sell my ebook is illegal?


Please clear me above.
#content #query #theft
  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    A few weeks ago you posted:

    I am selling some ebooks,
    Wonder how those ebooks were "written"...and if there's more to the story...

    You've been posting here for five years - and don't know about copyright or plagiarism or stealing the work product of other people?

    NO - it's not OK to take someone's book, rearrange the words and call it your own.

    NO - it's not OK to steal portions of several books and sell it as your own.



    Looking at the title, not sure why this question is asked....whether it's YOUR book that copies others - or other other people copying YOUR book...it's the wrong thing to do.
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  • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
    If you have PLR ( Private Label Rights) you can change the E-book but only IF you have the rights , as others have said you are stealing anthers hard work
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  • Profile picture of the author Tim3
    Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

    I have a query regarding ebook content theft.

    1) If we rewrite completely from single ebook and sell my ebook is illegal?

    2) If we rewrite completely from more than one ebook and sell my ebook is illegal?
    Please clear me above.

    Yes it is illegal, you will burn in hell for all eternity and your testicles will drop off...

    Well you may get sued anyway.

    Read this...

    Copyright legal definition of copyright
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    • Profile picture of the author Regional Warrior
      Originally Posted by Tim3 View Post

      Yes it is illegal, you will burn in hell for all eternity and your testicles will drop off...

      Well you may get sued anyway.

      Read this...

      Copyright legal definition of copyright
      WOW Leave anything out there Tim
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      • Profile picture of the author Tim3
        Originally Posted by Regional Warrior View Post

        WOW Leave anything out there Tim
        Well I didn't like to mention his houseplants would die as well
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  • Profile picture of the author gillw254
    Well, you all misunderstood me. I have no interest to sell someone's ebook.

    My doubt is: Can I rewrite completely? not sentence by sentence, instead rewriting with my own words.

    In this forum, we find many wso's who has rewritten the same stuff and selling with their own name. then why its not illegal?

    How will you really write articles on your websites? Would you not look into other websites/ebooks, get an idea and rewrite on your own words? So, is this not plagiarism in this case?


    If possible, pls try to understand my query.
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  • Profile picture of the author gillw254
    One more thing: I found some ebooks in which there is no disclaimer, no copyright, nothing mentioned. just having Author Name, website url. So, can I use these ebook for giveaway freely?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    NO - I don't "rewrite" articles...I research and learn the subject - I take notes of FACTS on that niche - and then I write my own articles on the topic.

    just having Author Name, website url. So, can I use these ebook for giveaway freely?
    No, they aren't your books to give away - you don't own the copyright. They don't have to TELL you - because the book is copyrighted the moment they published it.

    try to understand my query.
    We DO understand - and you need to understand the answers. You cannot take someone else's article or book and claim it as your own. It's wrong to rearrange (rewrite) someone else's product and call it your own (that is called a 'derivative work').

    What you can do is look for PLR (private label rights) articles and ebooks - they are very inexpensive to buy and you can publish those, give them away or rewrite them as you please. Do google searches for

    PLR ebooks

    PLR articles

    and you'll' find a lot of options you can use.
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  • Profile picture of the author JennieB
    I think we understand your question completely. You're asking if it is legal to steal content and pretend that it's yours by putting that content in your own words and if it's legal to steal from two ebooks instead of just one.

    No. It's not legal. It's plagiarism.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Okay, you answered my [deleted for some reason] question. Let's have a go at it.

    Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

    Well, you all misunderstood me. I have no interest to sell someone's ebook.

    My doubt is: Can I rewrite completely? not sentence by sentence, instead rewriting with my own words.

    In this forum, we find many wso's who has rewritten the same stuff and selling with their own name. then why its not illegal?

    How will you really write articles on your websites? Would you not look into other websites/ebooks, get an idea and rewrite on your own words? So, is this not plagiarism in this case?


    If possible, pls try to understand my query.
    There's a difference between "rewriting" a single ebook and researching multiple books and using your own spin to put them together. The first is content theft, the second is research.

    As for the WSOs, you may be seeing people trying to take the lazy way to use PLR content. A lot of people change only the author name (which is within their license), but the result is exactly what you noticed - a lot of duplicate offerings with different names slapped on them.

    As to your current attitude, realize that there are a lot people looking for easy-button get-rich-quick answers asking for guidance on how to steal and not get caught. Your initial query wasn't clear, but could be read in than vein. Don't take it personally. Remember, it it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it may not be a duck -- but that's the smart way to bet.

    Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

    One more thing: I found some ebooks in which there is no disclaimer, no copyright, nothing mentioned. just having Author Name, website url. So, can I use these ebook for giveaway freely?
    No, not without a license. Copyright begins the moment content is published in fixed form, even if that's just a file on your hard drive.

    It sounds like you want to do things the right way, so do yourself a favor. Spend a few hours doing your homework on "public domain" content. You'll learn how to spot content that is free to use.
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  • Profile picture of the author gillw254
    Okay, thanks for clarifying me.

    I have another doubt which is regarding pen names. I have seen many websites, who used to keep their original photo, originnal name in their own websites, may be they want to establish as an expert in their niche.

    But in my case, I want to put my leg in all my favorite niches and I dont want to show my face, name in any of my websites. So, can I run my websites & ebooks using pen names ?
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    • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
      Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

      Okay, thanks for clarifying me.

      I have another doubt which is regarding pen names. I have seen many websites, who used to keep their original photo, originnal name in their own websites, may be they want to establish as an expert in their niche.

      But in my case, I want to put my leg in all my favorite niches and I dont want to show my face, name in any of my websites. So, can I run my websites & ebooks using pen names ?
      Yes, you can. As an example, I've picked up a few ebooks from a fellow who calls himself "Buck Flogging" - not his real name. He takes it a step further, I believe. As far as I can tell, "Buck's" alleged real name is also a pen name.

      As a photo, he uses a stock photo, then claims his "wife" Photoshopped the model's face onto his body.

      All done very tongue in cheek. He makes no bones about his ID being a pen name and the photo being not really him, but he does it with humor, poking fun at himself.

      Whoever the real Buck is, he runs several successful online businesses.
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      • Profile picture of the author gillw254
        Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

        Yes, you can. As an example, I've picked up a few ebooks from a fellow who calls himself "Buck Flogging" - not his real name. He takes it a step further, I believe. As far as I can tell, "Buck's" alleged real name is also a pen name.

        As a photo, he uses a stock photo, then claims his "wife" Photoshopped the model's face onto his body.

        All done very tongue in cheek. He makes no bones about his ID being a pen name and the photo being not really him, but he does it with humor, poking fun at himself.

        Whoever the real Buck is, he runs several successful online businesses.

        I don't think it's a good idea to use same pen name for all different niches, what you say?
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        • Profile picture of the author BigFrank
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          Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

          I don't think it's a good idea to use same pen name for all different niches, what you say?
          This topic has been beat to death and I will repeat the question that people ignore when they tell you why you should or should not use pen names.

          "How does anyone ever know if the name you decide to use on your site/blog/forum is actually your real name?"

          Think about it and we can end this, here and now.

          Now - watch how many people write some of the most ridiculous comments on this topic that you will ever see. I promise you - you won't believe it, especially as they relate to the question I posed. :-)

          Use whatever name you want. It doesn't matter. No - you can't 'build trust' by using your real name, because, again, how does anyone know that it is your real name?

          Do you get it??? lol

          Cheers. - Frank
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          • Profile picture of the author gillw254
            Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

            This topic has been beat to death and I will repeat the question that people ignore when they tell you why you should or should not use pen names.

            "How does anyone ever know if the name you decide to use on your site/blog/forum is actually your real name?"

            Think about it and we can end this, here and now.

            Now - watch how many people write some of the most ridiculous comments on this topic that you will ever see. I promise you - you won't believe it, especially as they relate to the question I posed. :-)

            Use whatever name you want. It doesn't matter. No - you can't 'build trust' by using your real name, because, again, how does anyone know that it is your real name?

            Do you get it??? lol

            Cheers. - Frank
            What about photoshopped photo? I mean do you think its a good idea using same photoshopped photo for all niches?
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            • Profile picture of the author JennieB
              Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

              What about photoshopped photo? I mean do you think its a good idea using same photoshopped photo for all niches?
              If you're trying to build trust, using the same photo for all your niches won't do that. Don't assume that the same person won't see it on more than one of your sites, because chances are ... they will sooner or later. Then you'll just look like a fraud if you're using the same photo, but different pen names.
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    • Profile picture of the author JennieB
      Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

      Okay, thanks for clarifying me.

      I have another doubt which is regarding pen names. I have seen many websites, who used to keep their original photo, originnal name in their own websites, may be they want to establish as an expert in their niche.

      But in my case, I want to put my leg in all my favorite niches and I dont want to show my face, name in any of my websites. So, can I run my websites & ebooks using pen names ?
      There's no problem with using pen names.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

    I don't think it's a good idea to use same pen name for all different niches, what you say?
    I believe you can use the same pen name if, and only if, the niches are very tightly related. In the fitness market, the same set of exercises might apply to both young athletes and older 'weekend warrior' types. so you could likely use the same pen name.

    The other possibility is that you could use the same name for two different niche markets. Usually one business and one not-business. For example, I've been in marketing for almost two decades and chasing fish for over five. Is it really far-fetched that I might have expertise in both? Another example is Tom Brokaw, who writes books and does TV shows on both American history and fly fishing.

    Like Frank said, though, no one knows for sure whether the name you use is the one you were born with.
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    • Profile picture of the author gillw254
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      I believe you can use the same pen name if, and only if, the niches are very tightly related. In the fitness market, the same set of exercises might apply to both young athletes and older 'weekend warrior' types. so you could likely use the same pen name.

      The other possibility is that you could use the same name for two different niche markets. Usually one business and one not-business. For example, I've been in marketing for almost two decades and chasing fish for over five. Is it really far-fetched that I might have expertise in both? Another example is Tom Brokaw, who writes books and does TV shows on both American history and fly fishing.

      Like Frank said, though, no one knows for sure whether the name you use is the one you were born with.

      After I have created my own ebook, assume someone stolen my ebook, how should I prove myself that I am the actual creator for my ebook? ( even if I use pen name or real name ). In short, how can I prove myself that I am the guy who created that ebook? Seems like there is no way to prove myself. ( I do not own any company either ).
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      • Profile picture of the author Tony Marriott
        Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

        After I have created my own ebook, assume someone stolen my ebook, how should I prove myself that I am the actual creator for my ebook? ( even if I use pen name or real name ). In short, how can I prove myself that I am the guy who created that ebook? Seems like there is no way to prove myself. ( I do not own any company either ).
        When you create your final ebook version (or any earlier versions for that matter) the file is date and time stamped. Similarly the web pages etc that you use to sell/giveway your books. Sure these can be "faked" in some cases but if someone wants to take a shortcut and steal your products they are pretty unlikly to make any effort in concealing that fact.

        Generally a number of different "dated" sources like these will "prove" you are the copyright owner because you published it first.

        This is exactly the evidence I have used to get illegal copies of my products taken down so I know it works.
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        • Profile picture of the author gillw254
          Originally Posted by Tony Marriott View Post

          When you create your final ebook version (or any earlier versions for that matter) the file is date and time stamped. Similarly the web pages etc that you use to sell/giveway your books. Sure these can be "faked" in some cases but if someone wants to take a shortcut and steal your products they are pretty unlikly to make any effort in concealing that fact.

          Generally a number of different "dated" sources like these will "prove" you are the copyright owner because you published it first.

          This is exactly the evidence I have used to get illegal copies of my products taken down so I know it works.

          Tony, could you please be bit brief on something as "dated" which you mentioned, where exactly I can find this? in pdf file or where? And also how to find someone is illegally selling/giving away/rewritten version of our ebook?
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        BigFrank, are you going to break my heart and say you don't believe me when I tell you my real and full name is DABK? After all we've been through on this most honest of forums? (I'ma gonna go in a dark corner and cry now!)

        Originally Posted by BigFrank View Post

        This topic has been beat to death and I will repeat the question that people ignore when they tell you why you should or should not use pen names.

        "How does anyone ever know if the name you decide to use on your site/blog/forum is actually your real name?"

        Think about it and we can end this, here and now.

        Now - watch how many people write some of the most ridiculous comments on this topic that you will ever see. I promise you - you won't believe it, especially as they relate to the question I posed. :-)

        Use whatever name you want. It doesn't matter. No - you can't 'build trust' by using your real name, because, again, how does anyone know that it is your real name?

        Do you get it??? lol

        Cheers. - Frank
        You can email it to yourself (you'll have a date). You can register your copyright with the copyright agency of your country. You can print it and mail yourself a copy, registered mail, and never open the letter till you're in front of the judge presiding over the case.

        Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

        After I have created my own ebook, assume someone stolen my ebook, how should I prove myself that I am the actual creator for my ebook? ( even if I use pen name or real name ). In short, how can I prove myself that I am the guy who created that ebook? Seems like there is no way to prove myself. ( I do not own any company either ).
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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

        After I have created my own ebook, assume someone stolen my ebook, how should I prove myself that I am the actual creator for my ebook? ( even if I use pen name or real name ). In short, how can I prove myself that I am the guy who created that ebook? Seems like there is no way to prove myself. ( I do not own any company either ).
        If you do a Google search for "proving ownership of copyrighted content", you'll find the legal requirements in several different countries listed. Less than an hour of research should give you your answer, particularly if you add your country to the search.
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        • Profile picture of the author gillw254
          Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

          If you do a Google search for "proving ownership of copyrighted content", you'll find the legal requirements in several different countries listed. Less than an hour of research should give you your answer, particularly if you add your country to the search.
          John, what if someone stolen my ebook who exists in other country? I think there is no way to sue that guy. Moreover, I still do not understand how do we find out the guy, who is misusing our ebook?
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  • Profile picture of the author neshaword
    Gill, I process (rewrite) between 20K and 40K of words every single month from my clients giving me orders from all over the world. This fact doesn't make me an expert, especially not a legal one, in this field nor does it mean I'm posting this comment to get a job. Yet, I do believe I have a pretty much good idea what's happening here. First of all, the whole industry is one big rewriting industry. There are so many "borrowers" that you really don't have to worry. You mentioned that you're thinking about 2 models. So, it all depends how intelligent is your rewriter guy. If you gonna rewrite it all from A to Z just the way it is, then it's not gonna end up well for you. In the first case, don't aim for some bestselling eBook. When you use your own wording, you can still defend yourself, but the damage is going to be done either way. The "owner" is gonna slam your credibility and he or she may show what you did by giving examples of side-by-side content. The second scenario is much better one. You take a little bit from here and there. You mix it. You pay attention to titles and chapter structure. You're good to go. There's an endless sea of similar eBooks and borrowed content, which is processed over and over again. This is the reality. I really wanted to help based on my real-freelance-life experience. All the best and good luck. Cheers! Nesha
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by gillw254 View Post

    John, what if someone stolen my ebook who exists in other country? I think there is no way to sue that guy. Moreover, I still do not understand how do we find out the guy, who is misusing our ebook?
    Second question first. I used to spend a lot more energy trying to track thieves, but the truth is, I usually found them by chance. Either something just looked too familiar, or someone tipped me off.

    Which leads to your first question. Yes, the thief may be in a country where copyright is not respected, or where suing is more trouble than it's worth. The fact that, at this time anyway, the USA is still the biggest profitable market in the world, and most countries have similar laws works in your favor. So you may not have to sue the thief.

    Usually, a take-down notice sent to the thief's host and domain registrar will take care of it. If they're selling the stolen ebook, make it their host and payment processor, along with any affiliate networks they may be using. The objective is to get the stolen content taken down and/or stop the illegitimate sale of your book.
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