Are Female Marketers Smarter Than Male Marketers?

[Bev Clement]

Do you really need to ask the question?

Yes, smarter because we don't have to tell everyone how brilliant we are, and we are also smarter because we know how to use the information gleaned from ghostwriting and then put it into practice.

[reapr]

Originally Posted by Bev Clement

Do you really need to ask the question?

Yes, smarter because we don't have to tell everyone how brilliant we are, and we are also smarter because we know how to use the information gleaned from ghostwriting and then put it into practice.

Ok you win! The next life ... I will be female.

[Rachel Goodchild]

Originally Posted by davebo

Somebody sounds jealous. I guess it's out of the question to think that males are just more successful based on what they've done and what they have to teach. THe cream always rises to the top.

The cream DOES always rise to the top. I agree. However, sometimes the creamprefers not to shout about it- or identify itself as cream
Also women tend to identify themselves under several different job descriptions- entrepreneur, business owner, wife, mother...
whereas men often focus on the first two- and the last two are almost as an aside.
This means women will market their success differently

Of course, once again, there are always exceptions...
But I would say that saying men are "More successful" is problematic in it's accuracy.

[Rachel Goodchild]

Originally Posted by davebo

Your above post makes no sense. Women identify themselves under different job descriptions? What does that have to do with the question? You think because a man doesn't proclaim to hold a job as "Husband" or "Father" then that means he isn't one?

Not at all
What it does mean is that even very successful women will underplaytheir business success simply because thier first point of identity is inverted a man's

Youhear less about extraordinarily successful women- doesn't mean they aren't about
Your post smacked of ignorance of this.
Whilst Bev's was just tongue and cheek.

[Sylvia Meier]

Originally Posted by davebo

Your above post makes no sense. Women identify themselves under different job descriptions? What does that have to do with the question? You think because a man doesn't proclaim to hold a job as "Husband" or "Father" then that means he isn't one?

Quite the opposite. There are many proud fathers and husbands, but when you ask a man what his job is the most common response you will get is that he is "insert profession here"; whereas when you ask a female, it is more often a mother, a wife and a "insert profession here".

As for the original poster. I wouldn't say either gender is smarter. Like someone else said behind every good man is a women and likewise behind every good woman is a man. In today's day and age, we often would get no where without the support of our spouses and those around us.

I don't think any gender comes out on top, I think it is often perceived that males are because they are the ones who are more portrayed by media as being smarter and more successful, but you can open a whole new thread alone on what success and smarts are as well. Everyone will have their own goal posts of what makes a person smart and what makes a person successful.

Just my two cents.

Sylvia

Absolutely not!

Men are smart enough to hire women to do our work for us.

Then after the work is done, men take all of the credit.

So, men are smart enough to know that women are just as smart.

Conclusion: male and female marketers are equally smart.

Peace...

[AndrewCavanagh]

From what I've seen just about everyone must be smarter than male marketers given the guru bashing you see in forum and sales letters.

I know for certain female marketers are smarter than me.

But then my wife is an ex rocket scientist.

I've become accustomed to females being smarter than me.

Kindest regards,
Andrew Cavanagh

[RetireVerySoon]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

It's a venus = mars thingy

It's a well known fact women can multitask and blokes can't. that gives us a big advantage over you before we even start lol

Quality over quanity my friend. Would you rather do 3 things poorly or one thing very well?

[Joseph Park]

It's interesting AND entertaining to see more women responding to this thread than any other threads. : ) In my opinion, they are about equal. But I haven't seen a lot of female marketers online so I can't really tell whether they are smarter than male marketers or not. It seems as though male marketers are marketing more agressively than female marketers. Nonetheless, would that make them smarter?

Well,.. what do you think?

[RetireVerySoon]

I can't argue with that. Sounds just about right.

[ExRat]

Hi,

There's some great stuff in this thread to pick up on and play around with...

Giveusallfreedom,

NO I've met all kinds of stupid and smart people in my life and sex had nothing to do with either.

There are simply TOO MANY one-liners that could be concocted from that one so I'm not even going to start...

Mary,

To tell you the truth, my bf is the same way. To me, it's a two way street. I know when I'm tied up for hrs, he seems to be left out in the cold.

Ooh, I say!

Webrunner,

I realized many do not know Janet, but you should as she is behind some of the greatest empires in marketing history. Ever hear of "Chicken Soup for the Soul".

She is a heavyweight. When she talks I listen.

I always try to steer clear of calling a woman a 'heavyweight' - even when it's high compliment!

Davebo,

I don't know of any female gurus that I follow. Not that I haven't heard any, but they just don't really provide much expertise.

Somebody sounds jealous. I guess it's out of the question to think that males are just more successful based on what they've done and what they have to teach. THe cream always rises to the top.

Your above post makes no sense. Women identify themselves under different job descriptions? What does that have to do with the question? You think because a man doesn't proclaim to hold a job as "Husband" or "Father" then that means he isn't one?

Paul - you were wrong. It was Davebo that took the fun out of the thread - because he single-handedly just lost the argument for us.

[giveusallfreedom]

Roger

LMAO great points. Especially the last one. I was reading that and just skipped that whole part of the discussion.

That's the problem with generalizations. It winds up getting you lumped in with that guy.

[giveusallfreedom]

Originally Posted by Vladislav Rozhdestvensky

No not smarter

OMG I got invaded by PORN SPAM. Rollover his signature and check out the URL. AAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!

That seals the deal. That is like the defining argument that women are smarter than men!!!

It was probably a guy that sent the spam, it was a not so clever attempt to conceal the spam, and it is targeted at men...(I assuming porn is generally targeted men here if this is another generalization that I'm way of on just ignore, because that will take this conversation into a whole other realm beyond where the scope of this forum)...that the spammer clearly thinks are so stupid that they will simply click on the porn and be like "Oh... -> -> ->

[travelbizcash]

As a work-from-home Mom (with lipstick, Sarah fan here)
I don't think men are any smarter than women (surprise, surprise)
BUT I have been the recepient of some very good marketing ideas and tips from BOTH MEN and WOMEN!

[Fabian Tan]

Well, one can't win with this discussion.

If you say females are smarter, you would be accused of being sexist.

If you say males are smarter, you would be accused of being sexist.

I once read a report that 75% of millionaires in the world are male, so does that tell something? Maybe, maybe not. The reality is that society is still 'sexist' and still give women less opportunities to shine than men although it is getting better.

On the other hand, girls are doing better in schools these days.

Fabian

[ExRat]

Hi,

as each person is individual

I'm not!


(ref - The Life Of Brian)

[lakshaybehl]

Every voice has a face behind it.

I don't!

How does that make any sense? idk...

these thoughts...

... they just... just... Mysteriously came to my mind...

Who knows if its a "ghost" writer behind it....

[Kate Anderson]

I don't think the gender is what makes either of us smarter, but the fact that being a ghostwriter simply means that you are constantly learning, researching and developing, and for the sake of your "job", you need to be on top of things and on your toes.

Our minds are always being challenged, and in a world such as online business, where things are consistently evolving and changing, being trained in a way that lets us digest the information quickly, (because after all, our time truly is money in ghostwriting), it gives us a bit of an edge I suppose.

[Chris W. Sutton]

Hah!

Men are from Texas. Women are from Connecticut.


Paul

Now THERE is a man who knows what he is talking about! I have no clue about the Connecticut part but I DO know that men are from Texas. Need proof? Just take a gander at me... nothing more be said!

[MaskedMarketer]

I think if most women are ghostwriters, maybe they wouldn't be good marketers? Don't ghostwriters just write for other people and the person that hires them does the marketing?

Maybe im confused, but I don't follow how the majority of female writers could mean females are better at marketing when writing is only a small fraction of the marketing process?

Just because you can create content doesn't mean you are a good marketer. Maybe this is just too much of a generalization?

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by RetireVerySoon

Quality over quanity my friend. Would you rather do 3 things poorly or one thing very well?

ahh but we do everything well, that's the whole point of multitasking

[MaskedMarketer]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

ahh but we do everything well, that's the whole point of multitasking

I've think i've read a study or research that indicates that multi-tasking can actually be less productive at times. They say focusing on one specific topic at a time can create better results. I personally don't like multi-tasking.. Its waaay more efficient to outsource the work.

[IMChick]

Chicks Rule!

I think it's an ego thing. I am happy to sit quietly in the background and make the real decisions (financial in my household and in my businesses) while the men are in the front lines and visible.

Male gurus have a necessary support system at home--significant other, child care, household help, etc--or they know how to outsource it. This immediately puts similarly placed women at a disadvantage. Because of dissimilar responsibilities in the same environment, the playing field is skewed in the male's favor. I learned this lesson the hard way while in law school-- while I was running around looking for the iron, ironing board and something clean to iron before breakfast, my male counterparts were already at school, fed and clothed appropriately, without the daily responsibility waiting for them outside of the classroom because it was taken care of elsewhere or by others. A great advantage, I must say.

A big thrill to find the women warriors here--I thought we were invisible!

She who has the most marbles at the end of the game, wins.

[ExRat]

Hi IMChick,

Male gurus have a necessary support system at home--significant other, child care, household help, etc--or they know how to outsource it. This immediately puts similarly placed women at a disadvantage.

Because of dissimilar responsibilities in the same environment, the playing field is skewed in the male's favor. I learned this lesson the hard way while in law school-- while I was running around looking for the iron, ironing board and something clean to iron before breakfast, my male counterparts were already at school, fed and clothed appropriately, without the daily responsibility waiting for them outside of the classroom because it was taken care of elsewhere or by others. A great advantage, I must say.

I hope this doesn't come across as too deep and serious (it's not meant to be, and I'd hate to be a fun thread-killer!) but I am confused.

Why do 'similarly placed women' have a disadvantage? Do they not have similar access to 'significant other, childcare and household help?' even if they happen to be a guru

or they know how to outsource it.

Don't you know how to outsource it? If not, who's fault is that?

She who has the most marbles at the end of the game, wins.

Now that I agree with. But from what I have seen, whether we're male OR female, by 'the end of the game' most of us will be a few marbles short of the full set. I think I left all of mine in the maternity ward a very long time ago...

[Chris W. Sutton]

She who has the most marbles at the end of the game, wins.

This may be true but what if they have LOST their marbles? Does the game go on?

[BobbyWalker]

I'm sure there are many female marketers
that could blow the doors off male marketers
but they must be in hiding...

I can only name a handful that I know of
that are doing serious money.

Bobby

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton

This may be true but what if they have LOST their marbles? Does the game go on?

You know Chris, you can be real profound lol

Ok lets look at this discussion from a female point of view, (and see who is the most sneaky)

I have an idea, (a good idea), and I want hubby on board with it. Thing is I'm not sure how he will receive it.

So I start planting ideas etc in his head, (ever so casually), and the next thing we know he's telling me he's had this fabulous idea, and what do I think about it.

I tell him how wonderful he is etc, and we're all happy (I got my whatever it was I wanted, who cares who's idea it was in the first place). Been doin it for 30+ years, and he still doesn't realise (bless him).

I didn't realise how much I did it, till my previous partner cottoned on to me doing it to him, (Took him a while, and he found it amusing thank goodness).

I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this, but I guess the point of the story is, there just could be a number of "male" guru's out there who might just be getting prodded by their better half, and don't even realise it

Kim

[warner444]

of course, I thought everybody knew that

[Alice Seba]

Originally Posted by reapr

That being said if there were as many women as men in IM there would probably be more women IM gurus!

Just like a guy to think that there are more men in "IM". ;-)

The Warrior Forum is certainly male-dominated, but I believe there are statistics showing that women start their own businesses / home businesses more frequently than men. I've never located statistics about online business specifically, but I'm thinking you could draw some conclusions given the accessibility of creating an online presence.

But why there aren't there a bunch of female gurus as you noted? I'd refer to Tiffany and Paul's comments on that. In addition, we DO have women that are our teachers/gurus if you will. They just don't engage in all this puffery, hype, etc. as readily so men may not take notice. JMHO, of course.

Disclaimer: I guess I don't really know if you're a man or woman from your username, but just guessing.

To Kay That's very interesting. I only have one sister, so I couldn't compare how I was treated with a male sibling, but very telling. WOW!

Alice

P.S. I appreciated the humor in this post, but wanted to address something I see often (i.e. "more men in IM" likely myth).

[Alice Seba]

Originally Posted by Chris W. Sutton

Now THERE is a man who knows what he is talking about! I have no clue about the Connecticut part but I DO know that men are from Texas. Need proof? Just take a gander at me... nothing more be said!

And you are pleased with being from a state with nothing, but men? Hmmm...the plot thickens.

Not that there's anything wrong with it! ;-)

Alice

[giveusallfreedom]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

You know Chris, you can be real profound lol

Ok lets look at this discussion from a female point of view, (and see who is the most sneaky)

I have an idea, (a good idea), and I want hubby on board with it. Thing is I'm not sure how he will receive it.

So I start planting ideas etc in his head, (ever so casually), and the next thing we know he's telling me he's had this fabulous idea, and what do I think about it.

I tell him how wonderful he is etc, and we're all happy (I got my whatever it was I wanted, who cares who's idea it was in the first place). Been doin it for 30+ years, and he still doesn't realise (bless him).

I didn't realise how much I did it, till my previous partner cottoned on to me doing it to him, (Took him a while, and he found it amusing thank goodness).

I'm not quite sure where I'm going with this, but I guess the point of the story is, there just could be a number of "male" guru's out there who might just be getting prodded by their better half, and don't even realise it

Kim

LMAO. Great story Kim!

I would have to agree that most men are much more blatant in their efforts whether they be marketing or otherwise.

This thread has really made me start thinking, which is ironic considering I meant it completely as joke.

I'd like to see a product created by a bunch of female marketers. Not purely for the female point of view, because I think we've established that it doesn't really matter if you male or female as long as you're ideas are good.

However, I think based on this discussion that a group of women working together could put together a really great course that offered a completely alternative way of marketing from most of the products out there. Kim your story is just one example. There could be a whole section on planting the idea in the prospect head before even making the offer. The same could be done for JVs.

Just a thought.

[Najat Engineer]

Even if Male marketers were smarter!!

AT THE END OF THE DAY WE WILL SPEND ALL THEIR HARD MONEY IN COLD BLOOD

God bless my husband =)

[ExRat]

Hi G.U.A.F,

However, I think based on this discussion that a group of women working together could put together a really great course that offered a completely alternative way of marketing from most of the products out there.

Ahem, did you really say -

a group of women working together

Back to the drawing board...

[giveusallfreedom]

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi G.U.A.F,

Back to the drawing board...

LMAO

OK I maybe I was asking a bit much...

You know though, that's a good point. I see a lot of men getting involved in the JV bonanza, but I rarely if ever see any women. Hmmm...

I'm not really sure what to make of that if anything, except that maybe I should get on more female's mailing list, so that I can get something other than 1,000 JV offers in my email box.

[Darrell Hagan]

I'd have to say that most marketers, male or female, are probably smarter than I am. But its fact that alot of my good ideas really come from my lovely wife and I give her due credit too .

[Christopher R Everson]

Whew boy, I'm going to try my luck, and probably upset quite a few people.

I'm not sexist. I'm also not very old (21). I haven't been married, although some consider me a bit of a ladies man. I'm a momma's boy, and raised by a single mom. I know several female marketers, but a lot more guys.

From what I've experienced in life in general:

Women are SLIGHTLY better multi taskers, on average from what I've seen. The margin is relatively slim in my opinion.

Men are more motivated by competition, and like John said earlier, status. Men I think are more likely to try and out do someone, or achieve something purely for display to others in the same field. Go to a real competitive sales floor, and see how the guys interact, or just a sports bar on monday night. I rarely see that kind of behavior between women.

Women are more likely to finish one thing, and then move on. As much as common media portrays women as giving up something quickly, I haven't seen it as much in IM. A lot of coaching programs i've been involved with generally notice that the women as a whole are more step by step, and likely to see things to the end. They may move slower because of it, but they are more thorough.

Men seem more extreme with the risk taking. In my experience, men will either take pretty big risks, or none. A lot of guys won't do something that might net them an extra $10 a week, when they could be risking more on something that would add $100 a week. It seems women are more willing to take those smaller payouts, but in my experiences, not those huge risks.

Women are usually more patient, and understanding. They don't have that "cold business" side that a lot of guys have. I learned that in my stint with telephone sales. I'd much rather talk to a woman if she's the decision maker, they are usually more open to ideas, more patient, and often, easier to sell to. You can take that as a good or a bad thing.

I know lots of girls that have developed small lists, and continue to market to them, even though they don't grow quickly. I know a ton more guys, and am myself like this, in that I would rather just ditch the damn thing and try something that would move faster.

Women in my opinion are more likely to break down from stress or emotions. It's just science, they respond differently to emotions and hormones than guys do. They do seem to aquire more resolve when they get back up though.

I'm starting to ramble.

I think of it like this: imagine both sex's built a house from scratch. Odd's are the guy's house would be bigger, have more gadgets in side it, and would be there to prove to the neighbor that he's better. The women, simply put, would build a house that would be suited to other people. You'd probably want to hang out there more, it'd be more comfortable and inviting.

And smell better.

[ExRat]

Hi Christopher,

I'm nearly twice your age. I don't disagree with most of your analysis, but there are a few things that I probably would have agreed with you about, twenty years ago. And then I learnt different.

Men are more motivated by competition, and like John said earlier, status. Men I think are more likely to try and out do someone, or achieve something purely for display to others in the same field. Go to a real competitive sales floor, and see how the guys interact, or just a sports bar on monday night. I rarely see that kind of behavior between women.

In this area, women are smarter. That's why you don't always see it - but believe me, it's there.

The difference is that they don't make a show of it, therefore it's much more effective.

Also, when you observe the the male sales floor, it's just a jostling for position in the pecking order, which often has no real merit - just 'bragging rights'.

Again, this is where females are smarter and more effective. They won't waste time competing over trivialities. But when they set their sights on the target, you'd better get out of the way - those nails are sharp.

Women in my opinion are more likely to break down from stress or emotions.

Yes, in terms of 'breaking down' - IE - visibly sobbing. But it's not always entirely genuine and usually doesn't have long lasting effects. When it comes to actually crippling yourself through stress and emotions long term, then men are the masters.

They don't have that "cold business" side that a lot of guys have.

On the surface, perhaps they don't. But where it matters, they most definitely do. If we gave them the slightest chance, they would take over the world and put us all to the sword and replace us with subservient robots without flinching.

Don't believe me? You'll find out my friend, all in good time.

Our strength comes from being aware of our weaknesses, understanding 'the game' and adopting a life strategy that is built around those strengths and weaknesses.

At 21, you are not required to know these things and do these things. But don't rest on your laurels. Time passes quickly and the lessons come quick and fast. And women learn quicky because they have to - they have the ability to bear children at a young age.

Men always have an egotistical reason. Women always have a plan, and often have an alterior motive. This is not to say that they are bad - but I think it's fair to say that they are not as prone to 'not seeing the wood for the trees' - where the trees are the ego and the wood is the goal.

Just my opinion, using a few generalizations through necessity.

[ExRat]

Hi Davebo,

Exrat, you used to be somewhat of a maverick....now you're just a butt-kisser. So sad. The sign of someone who relies on the WF for business.

Thanks

I'd love to know of any business that I have gained through the WF. Care to elaborate?

I often change my viewpoint, my approach and my attitude - especially when I feel that it needs improvement and that I'm capable of doing that - it's called progression.

But I still speak my mind, believe in what I say and try to be honest.

Perhaps the nature of some of my recent posts doesn't agree with you? If so, perhaps it would be more productive to engage in some kind of debate where you can prove me to be incorrect, or anything else you'd like to prove?

What I see is that I was nice to some people that helped me in a small way and at least one of them was someone who you attack at any opportunity. I don't know the reasons for that and don't care to know.

But I'm up for the discussion.

But as for the accusations, they're water off a duck's back. As I said, at this time I earn nothing from being here.

And as for butt kissing, well just because I dared to say a few things that suggest that women have more ability than men, you appear to be proving my point about ego.

But the edge is still there and I see no butt kissing.

Prove me wrong. If not, good day to you my friend

[Christopher R Everson]

Sigh the few things I was hoping to lord over the women folk as I got older aren't true.

I'm surprised that I didn't mention the ability to hide emotions and intentions as well (if not better) than their ability to express it.

I suspect maybe Davebo thought you were going to systemically tear my opinions apart, which, I guess only proves one of my points, because I was totally ready to get in a heated argument

[Paul Myers]

Christopher,

If you don't think women are as bloodily competitive as men, you're in for a nasty surprise. They just go about it differently, and for different end results.

Note, for those who're looking for an argument: Different does not mean better or worse. It means different. Both sides of each example given below make perfect sense.

Rather than addressing each point one at a time, let me give you some observations I've made over the years, and ask you to consider them. They're nearly universally true, at least in the US, Mexico and Canada, which means they carry significant messages for people in those cultures.

They're also very important to understand.

The first: The thing women like most about men is that we all tend to be 17 at heart. The thing women dislike most about men is that we all tend to be 17 at heart.

That one's pretty straight forward. This next one has a lot more implications than you'd think on the surface.

Whenever a woman tells me that women are more mature than men, I offer this thought:

If two guys get into a fight in a bar, the outcome is predictable, as long as they both play by the rules. Regardless of who "wins," they're going to pick each other up, buy each other beers, and be friends ever after.

If two women get into an argument and one of them slaps the other, or uses one of the deadly female insults, it will likely be years before they speak to each other again, if ever.

Why?

Think about it.


Paul

[Paul Myers]

now you're just a butt-kisser.

ROGER? A butt-kisser?

Now THAT is funny.


Paul

[ExRat]

Hi Paul,

If two women get into an argument and one of them slaps the other, or uses one of the deadly female insults, it will likely be years before they speak to each other again, if ever.

Because they broke 'the code', in front of the common 'enemy'?

[Christopher R Everson]

I gotta tell you Paul I have a couple of theories but none of them seem to strong.

Tell us

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by davebo

Exrat, you used to be somewhat of a maverick....now you're just a butt-kisser. So sad. The sign of someone who relies on the WF for business.

Hey Dave, you ever have anything nice to say?

As for Roger being a butt kisser, that's a laugh.

Roger will say something nice to me one minute for something I said and
tell me I'm flat out wrong the next for something else I said. He does NOT
mince his words, and I appreciate him for that because I know I'm always
going to get it straight from him.

As for earning his living off the WF, for crying out loud, the guy's got goofy
David Lee Roth quotes in his sig. I mean, how's THAT going to earn him
anything other than a lot of dudes like me poking fun at him?

Sorry Rog. Couldn't resist.

Yeah, Roger makes his living off the WF. That's a real joke.

Oh, and in case you're thinking of coming back at me with some of your
venom, don't waste your time. I've stopped listening to your insults of me
a long time ago.

[Kim Standerline]

I'm loving this thread lol

I like the points, Chris, Roger and Paul made, and I think you're all right to a more or lesser degree.

Christopher you are very astute for one so young, (and I don't mean that in a patronising way)

Even tho I'm as sharp as a tack (even tho I do say it myself) I don't have a problem playing the silly woman when it suits me. I've wriggled out of speeding tickets and all sorts of stuff using that tactic, A trembling lip and tearful eyes works wonders on most blokes.

In my offline job I hate writing reports, so I just need to bat a couple of eyelashes at my (male) colleague, sigh how hard they are and there they are all neatly done for me!

Guys I hate to tell you this, we've been pulling you around by your dangly bits since Adam and Eve (you just don't realise it)

Kim

[Steven Wagenheim]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

I'm loving this thread lol

I like the points, Chris, Roger and Paul made, and I think you're all right to a more or lesser degree.

Christopher you are very astute for one so young, (and I don't mean that in a patronising way)

Even tho I'm as sharp as a tack (even tho I do say it myself) I don't have a problem playing the silly woman when it suits me. I've wriggled out of speeding tickets and all sorts of stuff using that tactic, A trembling lip and tearful eyes works wonders on most blokes.

In my offline job I hate writing reports, so I just need to bat a couple of eyelashes at my (male) colleague, sigh how hard they are and there they are all neatly done for me!

Guys I hate to tell you this, we've been pulling you around by your dangly bits since Adam and Eve (you just don't realise it)

Kim

Kim, you're my kind of gal.

[mmurtha]

Hi Roger,

Or is it butt kisser now lol???

Originally Posted by ExRat

Hi Davebo,

Thanks

I'd love to know of any business that I have gained through the WF. Care to elaborate?

I often change my viewpoint, my approach and my attitude - especially when I feel that it needs improvement and that I'm capable of doing that - it's called progression.

But I still speak my mind, believe in what I say and try to be honest.

Perhaps the nature of some of my recent posts doesn't agree with you? If so, perhaps it would be more productive to engage in some kind of debate where you can prove me to be incorrect, or anything else you'd like to prove?

What I see is that I was nice to some people that helped me in a small way and at least one of them was someone who you attack at any opportunity. I don't know the reasons for that and don't care to know.

But I'm up for the discussion.

But as for the accusations, they're water off a duck's back. As I said, at this time I earn nothing from being here.

And as for butt kissing, well just because I dared to say a few things that suggest that women have more ability than men, you appear to be proving my point about ego.

But the edge is still there and I see no butt kissing.

Prove me wrong. If not, good day to you my friend

I thought your response was right on the money buddy!

I find that you always speak your mind. But then again, you don't know how to do otherwise!

The really problem with people like Davebo is that they can't figure out that time often improves wisdom. Not always mind you, but with people like you, that learn to grow and adjust.

As far as this comment goes ...

Roger wrote:

Mary,

Ooh, I say!

Lol, better watch it!

Yeah I know, some digress too.

This turned out to be a good thread guys!


Paul,

If two guys get into a fight in a bar, the outcome is predictable, as long as they both play by the rules. Regardless of who "wins," they're going to pick each other up, buy each other beers, and be friends ever after.

If two women get into an argument and one of them slaps the other, or uses one of the deadly female insults, it will likely be years before they speak to each other again, if ever.

Why?

Think about it.


Paul

That's because women know how to hold a grudge.

But then again, they also cut off valueable relationships, dismissing all future dealings with people they begrudge.


Mary

[Elmer Hurlstone]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Kim, you're my kind of gal.

Firstly, I concur with Steven.

Secondly, Yes, Kim, I--and most other guys if they're honest with themselves--realize it.

WE LIKE IT!

It must be working as the human race--even our minute marketing part of it--continues to grow.

Elmer

[grumpyjacksa]

they say it takes a man to admit.......

but us guys have this tendency to get lost first and then ask for directions........

so while i was chasing my tail for almost two years, most normal women would have done back then what i am doing now. and probably established a good online presence by now.......

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by Elmer Hurlstone

Firstly, I concur with Steven.

Secondly, Yes, Kim, I--and most other guys if they're honest with themselves--realize it.

WE LIKE IT!

It must be working as the human race--even our minute marketing part of it--continues to grow.

Elmer

lol nothing wrong with a gal using a few feminine wiles to get what she wants.