Are Female Marketers Smarter Than Male Marketers?

[giveusallfreedom]

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY
(at least it was until Paul Myers showed up. )

So I was reading the comments on Tiffany Dow's post A Perk IM Ghostwriters Have Above Other Marketers and it occurred to me that majority of the replies were from female ghostwriters. Thinking back it occurs to me that most of the ghostwriters I've ever hired were female. So if you combine that with Tiffany's post about the great perk of being a ghostwriter, it made me wonder.

If most ghostwriters are women...

and

Ghostwriters have access to insider/paid training...

Would that mean that female marketers are better trained/smarter marketers than male marketers?

Just a Thought

[Andrew Maule]

Eh. Dangerous generalization. Plus I don't see too many IM guru's that are female, but what do I know? I ghostwrite!

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by giveusallfreedom

So I was reading the comments on Tiffany Dow's post A Perk IM Ghostwriters Have Above Other Marketers and it occurred to me that majority of the replies were from female ghostwriters. Thinking back it occurs to me that most of the ghostwriters I've ever hired were female. So if you combine that with Tiffany's post about the great perk of being a ghostwriter, it made me wonder.

If most ghostwriters are women...

and

Ghostwriters have access to insider/paid training...

Would that mean that female marketers are better trained/smarter marketers than male marketers?

Just a Thought

LOL

There is no way I'm getting into this one.

I will say that I am a ghostwriter. I was going to respond to the thread in question, but decided not to because it would have been nothing more than a "me too" response.

Out if curiosity, are you serious? Or are you just trying to stir things up?

~Michael

[KarlWarren]

I wouldn't touch this topic with yours...

[giveusallfreedom]

Originally Posted by Michael Oksa

LOL

There is no way I'm getting into this one.

I will say that I am a ghostwriter. I was going to respond to the thread in question, but decided not to because it would have been nothing more than a "me too" response.

Out if curiosity, are you serious? Or are you just trying to stir things up?

~Michael

SERIOUS?

Oh heck no. I agree with Mr. Sleep and the whole not to many female gurus. That thought had occurred to me.

But really I just thought it would be a fun discussion.

I really expected the first posts to be from the women's side saying heck we're smarter.

Would I say one or the other is smarter? NO I've met all kinds of stupid and smart people in my life and sex had nothing to do with either.

[Tim_Carter]

LOL.

To put it bluntly - me neither.

Originally Posted by KarlWarren

I wouldn't touch this topic with yours...

[giveusallfreedom]

Originally Posted by KarlWarren

I wouldn't touch this topic with yours...

LOL wow I will say this...the women must carry bigger sticks around here, because you guys really seem nervous.

OK time to edit my post and include a heading that this is for Entertainment Purposes Only

[Steven Wagenheim]

Female marketers are not even smarter...they're prettier too.

That's why my wife is REALLY the brains behind THIS man's success.

[giveusallfreedom]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

Female marketers are not even smarter...they're prettier too.

That's why my wife is REALLY the brains behind THIS man's success.

See now that's what I like to see. A man that's not afraid to throw out an opinion. Thanks Steve.

[KarlWarren]

Dude,

I have the balls to discuss anything and everything - of importance...
but, this discussion doesn't have a conclusion...

It's the same as:

Are men better cooks? There are more male chefs
Are men better drivers? There are more male F1 drivers (all of them)

Is an answer going to help anyone?

Methinks not...

Originally Posted by giveusallfreedom

LOL wow I will say this...the women must carry bigger sticks around here, because you guys really seem nervous.

OK time to edit my post and include a heading that this is for Entertainment Purposes Only

[TiffanyDow]

One weird thing I know is that most female marketers making it big moneywise don't promote their names like the gurus we see today. I know of a few, of course, but I've talked to many women marketers who either dont feel the need to have the fame and glory or are too intimidated by it.

tiff

[nursewriter]

Tiff,

You are right....I have no desire to be famous and have my name plastered all over the Internet but I do want to insanely wealthy.

So I am content to sit quietly at my keyboard and make money.


Lucinda

[Steven Fullman]

Originally Posted by KarlWarren

Dude,

I have the balls to discuss anything and everything - of importance...
but, this discussion doesn't have a conclusion...

It's the same as:

Are men better cooks? There are more male chefs
Are men better drivers? There are more male F1 drivers (all of them)

Is an answer going to help anyone?

Methinks not...

OT...but Karl...

Did your eponymously named thread inspire you to get a professionally photographed avatar?

"The camera loves you, Karl. <snap> Smile...think sexy...<snap> That's it. <snap>"



Steve

[Michael Oksa]

Originally Posted by giveusallfreedom

SERIOUS?

Oh heck no. I agree with Mr. Sleep and the whole not to many female gurus. That thought had occurred to me.

But really I just thought it would be a fun discussion.

I really expected the first posts to be from the women's side saying heck we're smarter.

Would I say one or the other is smarter? NO I've met all kinds of stupid and smart people in my life and sex had nothing to do with either.

No problem, that's what I was hoping.

In that case...

As to who's smarter, women or men, marketingwise? I will give an unqualified YES!

Hope that clears up my position.



~Michael

p.s. Karl, I was kind of thinking the same thing, though. I don't see the value of a post like this. BUT maybe some insights will be gleaned from everyone's different styles. Just a thought.

[KarlWarren]

Steve F - lol, that's all my girlfriend's work, I needed a decent photo for a caricature I'm having done and came across that one that she took of me... and thought, oooooh, I know, I'll look a bit happier in WF.

Michael O - I'm pretty sure there will be some interesting views on the matter expressed

[mmurtha]

giveusallfreedom,

Oh boy ... you know Karl is right about there not being any conclusion right?

This being said umm ... I would say as a female I do things different than some men. It's not that either sex is smarter or does better at things. It's simply that we do things differently.

Titff is right, most women don't find a need for fame and glory.

Now I don't know about being intimidated because I've never felt that way around the men. But, I'm sure some do, but I also see the flip side in this sistuation where some men may feel intimidated or insecure if they are around successful women.

The same is true around women that speak with authority. It seems to be easier to hear a man do so, and not a women. But then again, society has dictated this for centuries. Women have only been let out of the box in the last hundred years or so, but mainly here in the last few decades. This isn't to say that there haven't been women in business or anything else over the centuries because there have been very famous women in every century.

Lol we just do things differently.

I know I'm one that doesn't look for fame, but quietly make my fill. I consider myself successful offline, and on.

Do I ever feel left out of the "good ole boy's" club? Na, not at all.

Having stated some of these things, I would also say we do a ton of things that are the same too.


For you guys that were smart enough not to jump in with both feet here, I commend you. To me that's smart thinking.

Btw, something just occured to me while writing this post.

People have always said that behind every good man is a great women.

Well, women know too that behind every good women there is a great man.

It's all about perspective, and where you see yourself and others in the scope of things. Prejudices play a huge part in what we see as reality.

All the best ...


Mary

[Steven Fullman]

Originally Posted by KarlWarren

Steve F - lol, that's all my girlfriend's work, I needed a decent photo for a caricature I'm having done and came across that one that she took of me... and thought, oooooh, I know, I'll look a bit happier in WF

Well, it worked.

BTW, I can't answer the OP's question until my wife gets home...

...she makes all the decisions.

Cheers,
Steve

[Peter Bestel]

If it's perceived that a female marketer is smarter, maybe that's a good enough reason to create a female pen name when purporting to be an expert in IM?

Just a thought!

Peter

[KarlWarren]

I will say something in response to Mary's post...

My girlfriend is part of my motivation in regard to earnings and quality of life. While she has no interest in IM or design, she is certainly interested in being able to spend time with me without the financial burden of debt or minimum wages.

Despite that, there are times that the poor lass has to put up with me putting in some LOOOOOOONG hours.

[edit]

In response to Peter... how about:

Michelle Filsaime
Joanne Reese
Alanis Says

[mmurtha]

Hey Peter,

I can't see why not? Women often use a man's penname.


Hey Karl,

Originally Posted by KarlWarren

I will say something in response to Mary's post...

My girlfriend is part of my motivation in regard to earnings and quality of life. While she has no interest in IM or design, she is certainly interested in being able to spend time with me without the financial burden of debt or minimum wages.

Despite that, there are times that the poor lass has to put up with me putting in some LOOOOOOONG hours.

[edit]

In response to Peter... how about:

Michelle Filsaime
Joanne Reese
Alanis Says

Aw... that's sweet Karl.

To tell you the truth, my bf is the same way. To me, it's a two way street. I know when I'm tied up for hrs, he seems to be left out in the cold. The same is true when he is working offline for hrs at a time.

Lol, to me I don't understand how each side put ups with it. I guess there's always a balance with everything.


Mary

[Shannon Herod]

Originally Posted by giveusallfreedom

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY

So I was reading the comments on Tiffany Dow's post A Perk IM Ghostwriters Have Above Other Marketers and it occurred to me that majority of the replies were from female ghostwriters. Thinking back it occurs to me that most of the ghostwriters I've ever hired were female. So if you combine that with Tiffany's post about the great perk of being a ghostwriter, it made me wonder.

If most ghostwriters are women...

and

Ghostwriters have access to insider/paid training...

Would that mean that female marketers are better trained/smarter marketers than male marketers?

Just a Thought

Yes and that is why I have a Girls name


Shannon (the smart guy because of the girls name) Herod

[giveusallfreedom]

Originally Posted by Shannon Herod

Yes and that is why I have a Girls name


Shannon (the smart guy because of the girls name) Herod

LMAO!!!!! and that's why I make posts like this!

[kenj]

My wife tells me that I am a very good internet marketer and has given me permission to pass this critical info on to you all

Hey Girls - you are the business!!

[Paul Myers]

Depends.

I realize that the post was for entertainment, but there are real answers to it. Keep in mind that they're generalizations. There are plenty of exceptions, some of them extreme.

If you're talking emotional intelligence... Hell yeah. They average way smarter on that scale than men. They are also substantially more likely to maintain balance between work and family/social activities.

On the linear intelligence scale, meaning logic and analysis, men tend to have an advantage. We also tend to be better at understanding "structures" in non-social systems.

As for why men seem to be more visible as 'gurus,' that's easy. And it's not imagined: The drive for status. That's also why men are more likely to be empire builders.

Mind you, these differences are more a function of preference and execution than of capability.


Paul

[Rupps]

Janet Switzer

- enough said

[giveusallfreedom]

Originally Posted by webrunner

Janet Switzer

- enough said

My first response was huh?

I was going to leave it at that and then decided...that's what Google's for.

Found this

Janet Switzer helps experts build empires

Works form me.

[mmurtha]

Hey webrunner,

I don't think Paul meant that only men build empires.

He said

That's also why men are more likely to be empire builders.

Or did you mean something else?

I know there are women who built empires - Not just in this age, but throughout history. They are few and far between though compared to the men.


Paul

Mind you, these differences are more a function of preference and execution than of capability.

Glad you wrote this statement.

Shannon,

ROTFLMBO!


Mary

[rapidscc]

Wha hehehehe!

Yups it was entertainment until paul showed up :-)

Anyway, I beg to disagree. Men are smarter than women. Men are better!

We are the best COPYWAITERS! in WOLD! :-)

[Kim Standerline]

It's a venus = mars thingy

It's a well known fact women can multitask and blokes can't. that gives us a big advantage over you before we even start lol

[KarlWarren]

Oh no... now you've got me going Kim...

I have to retract my earlier statement about not touching this thread.

[tongue in cheek]

Talking on the phone, while hoovering and holding a baby on your hip does not constitute multitasking.

[removes tongue from cheek before it gets chopped off due to the impact of a right uppercut from every lady warrior]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

It's a venus = mars thingy

It's a well known fact women can multitask and blokes can't. that gives us a big advantage over you before we even start lol

[Paul Myers]

Kim,

It's a venus = mars thingy

Hah!

Men are from Texas. Women are from Connecticut.


Paul

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by KarlWarren

Oh no... now you've got me going Kim...

I have to retract my earlier statement about not touching this thread.

[tongue in cheek]

Talking on the phone, while hoovering and holding a baby on your hip does not constitute multitasking.

[removes tongue from cheek before it gets chopped off due to the impact of a right uppercut from every lady warrior]

Ahh the thing is tho

Can men

hoover, hold the baby, speak on the phone, cook the lunch and answer their emails all at the same time lol

[Rob D]

Dare I respond?

I haven't read Tiff's original thread, but as a Male copywriter I can imagine what it is about. I have seen some of the biggest names in the industry's non-IM niches from the inside through my copywriting work and it's been enormously educational.

As this thread seems to be about baiting the opposite sex let me have a go: If a male, copywriter or no, discovers an edge he will exploit it to it's fullest potential. Whereas if a women finds the secret to online success she will be completely unable to keep her mouth shut about it.

**ducks for cover**

[Peter Bestel]

Originally Posted by Kim Standerline

It's a venus = mars thingy

It's a well known fact women can multitask and blokes can't. that gives us a big advantage over you before we even start lol

Got to disagree with you there Kim.

Blokes can multi-task just as well as...

...damn! The phone's ringing...

...just as well as wom...

...what was I saying?

[SusanUSA]

I wonder what Oprah, Martha Stewart, Susie Orman, Mary Kay Ash, Coco Chanel, Gloria Vanderbelt, Elizabeth Ardin, Debbie Fields, Kathanie Graham, Estee Lauder, or other female marketers would have to say about "not too many female gurus?"

Maybe they would be too busy polishing the glass ceiling . . .

[Paul Myers]

Kim,

hoover

Roomba.

hold the baby

Roller seat.

speak on the phone

Speaker phone.

cook the lunch

Microwave.

and answer their emails all at the same time lol

Virtual assistant. In the mean time, we're out playing golf or watching the game.

SNAP!


Paul

[Rupps]

giveusallfreedom and mmurtha,

All I meant was to give an example of one of the most successful persons in Internet marketing is a female.

I realized many do not know Janet, but you should as she is behind some of the greatest empires in marketing history. Ever hear of "Chicken Soup for the Soul".

She is a heavyweight. When she talks I listen.

Originally Posted by giveusallfreedom

My first response was huh?

I was going to leave it at that and then decided...that's what Google's for.

Found this

Janet Switzer helps experts build empires

Works form me.

[J Elizabeth Dize]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Kim,Roomba.Roller seat.Speaker phone.Microwave.Virtual assistant. In the mean time, we're out playing golf or watching the game.

SNAP!


Paul

Good answer, lol

[valerieSONORA]

Well of course

Most of the stuff is still behind the scenes, but wait till we take over the planet

[Steven Fullman]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Kim,Roomba.Roller seat.Speaker phone.Microwave.Virtual assistant. In the mean time, we're out playing golf or watching the game.

SNAP!


Paul

Lucky bastard. You divorced, Paul?

Steve

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by Paul Myers

Kim,Roomba.Roller seat.Speaker phone.Microwave.Virtual assistant. In the mean time, we're out playing golf or watching the game.

SNAP!


Paul

lol

I bow to your superiority

[Kim Standerline]

Originally Posted by Rob D

Whereas if a women finds the secret to online success she will be completely unable to keep her mouth shut about it.

**ducks for cover**

You are a brave man, wait till I tell the girls lol

[Steven Wagenheim]

Women have to be smarter because somehow they get us to marry them

And before you say anything, my wife is the greatest.

"Yes dear, I'll take out the trash after dinner."

[Paul Myers]

Steve,

Lucky bastard. You divorced, Paul?

Nope. Confirmed bachelor.

No luck to it.


Paul

[Kay King]

wait till we take over the planet

I thought we did that last week?

May be another good old generalization - but men seem to need to have others noticing what they are doing. Often women are happy just to cash the checks with a smile and avoid the spotlight.

Talking to my one brother a while ago we were joking about things we did as kids. One of the things that came up in conversation was that he always wanted someone watching what he did. At the swimming pool he'd stand on the low diving board shouting "look, Mom", "look at me", "watch me".

When I said "I never did that" - he pointed out (correctly) that I was usually on the high diving board intent on jumping before someone noticed and told me to get down

It's true there are more male names identified with the word "guru" - but also usually male names posting "my challenge - watch me go from $0-5000 a day in 30 days".... (watch me, Mom)

kay

[Paul Myers]

Kay,

May be another good old generalization - but men seem to need to have others noticing what they are doing.

That's part of the status thing.

What a lot of people call 'male ego' is just the desire for status. All of these tendencies arise from genetic programming associated with the drive for reproductive success, and the roles that gender plays in that.

Wait. Did I just take the fun out of the thread again?


Paul

[Elmer Hurlstone]

Would that mean that female marketers are better trained/smarter marketers than male marketers?

In response:

My momma didn't raise no fools!

Elmer

[Paul Myers]

Elmer,

My momma didn't raise no fools!

Apparently, judging from my comments in this thread, mine raised at least one.


Paul

[reapr]

I don't know I have a different take on it. We are a patriarchal society. That has not always been the case with all cultures and empires.

Women still make the majority of the family spending decisions and usually decides what gets spent on what. They seem to be tuned in to what needs to be bought. Men are the hunters they go out and get the prize. Women are the shoppers they decide what should be on the plate.

Then there is the ol' saying it takes a great woman to make a great man. If any of you actually follow history there seems to be truth to that.

That being said if there were as many women as men in IM there would probably be more women IM gurus!

It is not about smarts it is about roles that the genders have taken on over since the beginning of time.

Yes in some ways it is a generalization but I still refer to the majority.

[Glenn Newsome]

Originally Posted by giveusallfreedom

DISCLAIMER: THIS IS FOR ENTERTAINMENT PURPOSES ONLY
(at least it was until Paul Myers showed up. )

So I was reading the comments on Tiffany Dow's post

If most ghostwriters are women...

and

Ghostwriters have access to insider/paid training...

Would that mean that female marketers are better trained/smarter marketers than male marketers?

Just a Thought

It's because they have more personalities than us!-- A different job for each one--
That's why they just call themselves ghostwriters--they can't decide which name to use

Ducking now!