Are Your Goals too Small? His 84th day online...$8K day, $13K week, $4K residual

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

I truly believe low goals keep most people from succeeding in internet marketing, so when I see a success story like this I want to share it to encourage others and show you what's possible and how a “real person” succeeded online.

I just got off the phone with “SMM” (one of my students—he asked me not to use his name here if I used his exact figures.) Here are the facts:

• He started his online business on June 10.
• On Wednesday, September 2 (84 days later), he had an $8,000.00 day on a zero advertising budget.
• He's made $13,000.00 this week—and it's not over yet.
• He has 91 members in his $47/month membership site creating a $4,277.00 monthly residual income.

Now at this point you need to understand some things about “SMM”:

He didn't have any special connections. He didn't know how to do HTML. He didn't have any technical skills whatsoever. He had never had an internet business before. He started with zero subscribers in his Aweber account just like everyone else.

So how did he do it? Here are the broad strokes:

He believed he would succeed and succeed quickly.

In June “SMM” quit his lucrative job/partnership to start working online. He told me at the beginning of June he planned to make $10,000.00 in June. I told him it wasn't likely, but he didn't care. He figured he NEEDED to make the money. Did he make $10,000.00 in June? Nope, he made a couple thousand. Not a bad start, but he also didn't get discouraged. He kept working and it paid off.

He believed he would succeed and now he has.

He stuck to his plan.

He didn't do one thing, then another, then a third. Instead, he stuck to his plan. He wanted to have his own product, his own membership site.

He created his own product.

He realized early on that the fastest way to profit was from his own product. He created a unique product that would appeal to his target market.

He created a workable sales funnel.

He knew in order to succeed he needed to capture email addresses of his visitors, give them compelling reasons to buy and offer them upsells.

He did it himself with advice from others.

While trusting in your own ability is important, “SMM” also realized he needed to listen to people who had succeeded before him. He constantly emailed me and others to get input every step of the way.

Most Important: He Got It Done.

One of the funniest conversations we had was when he was about to “launch” and was stressed about all the details. How would he get a membership site done on time? We created a path that allowed him to succeed and get things out there—even if they weren't perfect.

“SMM” is a good guy, a smart guy and he works hard. Has he succeeded well so far? You bet he has. But here is the take-away message for you: Everything he has done can be duplicated by you.

[BinderGang]

That monthly residual income is my goal.

What made him the rest?

[PCRoger]

Yes, but not everyone can just come up with a salable product (in a crappy economy) on demand. Preferably a product that has value other than padding the wallet of the person selling it.

Regards,
PCRoger.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

It's all part of the same sales funnel. He used some pretty vanilla marketing techniques to reach people with his message, then used some insider tips I gave him (one in particular) to supercharge the results.

Sorry to be so vague, I can't tell you the specifics without divulging personal information and tactics he uses in his business model.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by PCRoger

Yes, but not everyone can just come up with a salable product (in a crappy economy) on demand. Preferably a product that has value other than padding the wallet of the person selling it.

Regards,
PCRoger.

Not to be flippant PCRoger, but have you tried? Products--even products of quality--are pretty easy to source it's just most people assume (wrongly) that products are too hard so they never try.

They also never have $13K weeks.

Even if you have no special knowledge or skills you can contact and get FREE material from people who do if you ask. You can interview them and record it. You can compile articles from a bunch of experts in your market niche. There are many ways to produce a product in almost no time at all.

[PCRoger]

Ahh, but what niche?

My experience is that's where most people sit scratching their heads and staring at their computer screen...

Finding that hungry market that is not being satisfied who have money to spend is a bit of hurdle for the mere mortals among us!

Regards

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by PCRoger

Ahh, but what niche?

My experience is that's where most people sit scratching their heads and staring at their computer screen...

Finding that hungry market that is not being satisfied who have money to spend is a bit of hurdle for the mere mortals among us!

Regards

Biggest key to finding a market? Choose a huge one with lots of people who ALREADY have websites in an area. Those markets already have money and demand. That's where you want to sell your product.

If you want details on how to do that get the book in my sig--it's free.

[SteveJohnson]

I have to just shake my head when I see some of these responses, in this thread and others like it.

Kevin, you're not being flippant -you're giving more attention than it's worth to that kind of cynicism.

[Koos-K]

Yep, me too going for the residual income. I have already a full plan with all the expenses and saving money aspect for the future business. I thought I'd better start out good as a newbie :P

[SteveJohnson]

Originally Posted by PCRoger

Finding that hungry market that is not being satisfied who have money to spend is a bit of hurdle for the mere mortals among us!

You're only a mere mortal if you think you are. You're offering up a slew of excuses as to why the subject of Kevin's success story is someone special - probably the only thing special about him is he started doing something and didn't lift his head from the path until it was done.

There's more money out there waiting to be spent than you can possibly imagine - and once you realize that, you'll get excited about going after some of it...

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by PCRoger

Finding that hungry market that is not being satisfied who have money to spend is a bit of hurdle for the mere mortals among us!

Well, how hard is it to find one? Find a friend with money, and get him (or her) drunk. Then whinge about your own minor problems. In no time at all, your friend with the money will tell you all the biggest problems he has. Write it all down, and in the morning you have a list of potential niches.

Repeat with other friends. In a month, you'll have found a profitable niche that all your friends with money would jump on. They'll probably even give you testimonials!

Plus, you got to get drunk every night for a month.

Sorry, I'm Irish, that's a major plus for me.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by CDarklock

Well, how hard is it to find one? Find a friend with money, and get him (or her) drunk. Then whinge about your own minor problems. In no time at all, your friend with the money will tell you all the biggest problems he has. Write it all down, and in the morning you have a list of potential niches.

Repeat with other friends. In a month, you'll have found a profitable niche that all your friends with money would jump on. They'll probably even give you testimonials!

Plus, you got to get drunk every night for a month.

Sorry, I'm Irish, that's a major plus for me.

See, all it takes is a plan!

[Daniel Brock]

Man don't I feel like a newb. I thought my $3.5k/m after 4 months was good. This puts me to shame. I definitely need to take a look at this membership site crazy again.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

Kevin, you're not being flippant -you're giving more attention than it's worth to that kind of cynicism.

You never know...some people have been so beaten down by "internet marketing guru promises" that they look at everything with cynicism.

I had someone PM me last week asking for my help. I told them to get my free guide and it would answer their questions. Their response?

"Yeah, I saw that, but I saw the picture of Anik and figured it was just a plug for Affiliate Classroom so I didn't bother to leave my email."

I had a free seminar for people on Sept 1 offering to personally help them with their business. I sent out about 100 invitations and had 4 people come.

I helped my clients sell over $32 million online last year, but when I invite people who have yet to succeed and offer free help, they are so jaded by all the hype they can't figure out what is genuine and what is bull pucky.

But whose fault is that? Is it the people or is it the marketers who lie, mislead and provide half-truths to sell a product?

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by dbbrock1

Man don't I feel like a newb. I thought my $3.5k/m after 4 months was good. This puts me to shame. I definitely need to take a look at this membership site crazy again.

I'm pretty sure you were being sarcastic, but just in case and so you know--I've worked with THOUSANDS of people in online business in the last 10 years and very very few of them had the focus to stick with their plan for four months and be making $3,500.00 a month. Good for you.

And I strongly recommend membership sites.

[PCRoger]

Originally Posted by SteveJohnson

You're only a mere mortal if you think you are. You're offering up a slew of excuses as to why the subject of Kevin's success story is someone special - probably the only thing special about him is he started doing something and didn't lift his head from the path until it was done.

There's more money out there waiting to be spent than you can possibly imagine - and once you realize that, you'll get excited about going after some of it...

Not trying to be overly cynical, just a healthy skepticism, partly brought on by seeing what so many of these "products" amount to. Some are good, but many times those people have a unique background that allowed them the possibility.

I won't argue that a bunch of us are working too hard and not working enough smart, but we are trying to follow the advice we have paid for/and/or accumulated from forums like this.

I've seen a lot of people say "create your own product", but that is easier said than done. And while you are creating it, chances are there is very little if any $$ coming in. So we slog it out trying make sales of other people's products and quite honestly, August was pretty tough month for myself and some others I work with.

Regards,
Roger.

[PCRoger]

Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter

You never know...some people have been so beaten down by "internet marketing guru promises" that they look at everything with cynicism.

I had someone PM me last week asking for my help. I told them to get my free guide and it would answer their questions. Their response?

"Yeah, I saw that, but I saw the picture of Anik and figured it was just a plug for Affiliate Classroom so I didn't bother to leave my email."

I had a free seminar for people on Sept 1 offering to personally help them with their business. I sent out about 100 invitations and had 4 people come.

You hit the nail on the head in my case.

I watch some of these "free" videos and webinars from time to time, but if there is any value in them, it's hidden amongst an hour of the presenter just bragging about how cool he is. I just don't have time for that.

Not judging yours, of course, because I had not come across your name before.

A 4th of July video from Yanik Silver, and most of what Frank Kern does comes to mind, though.

Oh, and I use to think John Reese had a good name until I saw him promoting Affiliate Jump. I might change my handle from PCRoger to JadedRoger!

thanks,
Roger.

[gentlerainman]

I'm a big believer in positive thinking but what really struck me about your example is that he STUCK WITH IT. No matter how many times we preach that it's all about implementation, I'm amazed at the percentage of people who just give up.

I've been doing this full time since 1992 (back when it was direct mail/not internet marketing). I've used all sorts of methods for marketing information products and the one that I've finally settled on and works real well for me is one page squeeze pages that offer a 7 or 10 part mini-course on a particular topic. Once they sign up for that there is immediately an offer of a $17 product and then two upsells at $73 & $173. I've got 8 sites set up, each generates about $200 a day. Certainly not Frank Kern numbers but it's doing ok.

The point is that when you cut through the hype it is possible to actually make decent (not mega-riches) money in this business. The key is find a model that works for you.

If anyone wants to see templates for the model I use, shoot me an email and I'll send you the link (I don't think we're suppose to do that here.)
Mark Satterfield

[CDarklock]

Originally Posted by PCRoger

many times those people have a unique background that allowed them the possibility.

No, every time. With very few exceptions, only you could have created the product you create.

You have a unique background. We all do. Your unique background uniquely qualifies you to make some product, and that product is something many people out there would like to have, and they are perfectly willing to pay for it.

The single biggest mistake people make is to think that because they can only do a little, they are better off doing nothing.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by PCRoger

You hit the nail on the head in my case.

I watch some of these "free" videos and webinars from time to time, but if there is any value in them, it's hidden amongst an hour of the presenter just bragging about how cool he is. I just don't have time for that.

Not judging yours, of course, because I had not come across your name before.

A 4th of July video from Yanik Silver, and most of what Frank Kern does comes to mind, though.

thanks,
Roger.

At the risk of offending some here, I think there is a real problem with many people who want help starting their internet business then look to Yanik or Frank or whoever to help them, then get disappointed when the free seminar is a pitch. Here's how I see it:

There are people here who are willing to help--maybe even give free help--but that help is always going to be severely limited. The question I ask when someone wants free or low cost help is this: Why should I work for them for free or for below a market rate?

I help two kinds of people for free:

1. I help people for free who I expect to eventually become a high dollar customer - and -
2. I help people for free who have already gotten to a measure of success and can open doors for my business with their testimonials, referrals, etc.

How is it fair for me to rob my family of the financial benefit of the years I have spent learning in order to help someone who is a stranger?

While I hope this doesn't offend, I think you will realize it makes good sense.

[GuerrillaIM]

Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter

I had a free seminar for people on Sept 1 offering to personally help them with their business. I sent out about 100 invitations and had 4 people come.

I saw the email after the event had happened, otherwise you would have had 5

Have you thought about sending the email a day or two before you do the tele seminar? All my autoresponders go into same email account and I only check it every few days, I think a lot of people do this also.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by GuerrillaIM

I saw the email after the event had happened, otherwise you would have had 5

Have you thought about sending the email a day or two before you do the tele seminar? All my autoresponders go into same email account and I only check it every few days, I think a lot of people do this also.

Last week was pretty busy and I'll admit I sent it out late. I'll be sending out the recording here in a minute so you can pick that up (and anybody who is already on my list will get it as well.)

I promise to be better in the future. Cross my heart.

[PCRoger]

Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter

At the risk of offending some here, I think there is a real problem with many people who want help starting their internet business then look to Yanik or Frank or whoever to help them, then get disappointed when the free seminar is a pitch. Here's how I see it:

There are people here who are willing to help--maybe even give free help--but that help is always going to be severely limited. The question I ask when someone wants free or low cost help is this: Why should I work for them for free or for below a market rate?

I help two kinds of people for free:

1. I help people for free who I expect to eventually become a high dollar customer - and -
2. I help people for free who have already gotten to a measure of success and can open doors for my business with their testimonials, referrals, etc.

How is it fair for me to rob my family of the financial benefit of the years I have spent learning in order to help someone who is a stranger?

While I hope this doesn't offend, I think you will realize it makes good sense.

No, you're not offending me, and what you probably don't know is that my first effort (and mistake) online was creating FreeComputerConsultant.com. (too long of story for here)

I didn't explain enough.

I know what these guys are all about, but recently they have taken to sending emails that state "hey, this isn't just a product pitch, there is great free content in the video as my gift to you".

And you know what? I might even buy what they have to offer if it looks good enough and there is risk reversal included. But if they are selling me a 10 hour video set for $5000, or whatever, I want the 10 hours to be content, not 9 hours of wasting everyone's time and 1 hour of content.

Just like the 30 day challenge Ed Dale & others did. They had good content, but you had to sacrifice a lot of time dealing with the cutesie stuff. I'm not slamming them, I just can't afford that kind of time commitment for an unknown outcome. Been disappointed too many times (the jaded part).

I'm sure they have tested and found that adding cutesie stuff sells better, just not to me and the people I work with.

I would rather pay and get value in a short amount of time than not pay and get value in a much longer period of time.

Know what I mean?

Roger.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by PCRoger

But if they are selling me a 10 hour video set for $5000, or whatever, I want the 10 hours to be content, not 9 hours of wasting everyone's time and 1 hour of content.

Know what I mean?

Roger.

I do Roger, and I agree. Products should be about valuable content that obviously exceeds the price point.

[Success With Dany]

Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter

I'm pretty sure you were being sarcastic, but just in case and so you know--I've worked with THOUSANDS of people in online business in the last 10 years and very very few of them had the focus to stick with their plan for four months and be making $3,500.00 a month. Good for you.

And I strongly recommend membership sites.

Kevin, in 10 years of helping many people online, how much in % would you say is the rate of people actually sticking to the plan, taking action and finally making money?

Could it be (shudders) 1-3%?

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by Success With Dany

Kevin, in 10 years of helping many people online, how much in % would you say is the rate of people actually sticking to the plan, taking action and finally making money?

Could it be (shudders) 1-3%?

Probably something like that, but here's a better statistic: Of those who have taken consistent, singular action I have never seen anyone fail. Seriously.

Unlike trying to become an actor or a rock star, succeeding in online business is not based on chance--it's based on a procedure that can be duplicated again and again. Some people need to recognize that.

Some time when I am not running out for Friday evening I should share the stories of people I know who are now incredibly successful who were all ready to quit because they just lost the belief they would succeed. You'd be amazed at the people (whose names you know) who almost quit or almost didn't pursue their original goals because they didn't believe it was going to work.

[Sam Smith]

Kevin,

I was impressed with everything you said in this thread-- and the original post had a load of wisdom as well as being very inspirational.

Also, I like the respect you've shown to others in this thread, including (but not just) thanking people for their comments, including the formal button thing.


Having said that, when I went to download the free ebook you mentioned (I rarely do this), I was so put off by the sales stuff that I didn't download.

I dunno, no offence but the off-topic stuff kinda made this seem a little like a very well disguised pitch for the sig. I hope I am wrong. Just my impression, afraid a bit of honest feedback there.


Regardless, thanks for this excellent, inspirational thread.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by Sam Smith

Kevin,

I was impressed with everything you said in this thread-- and the original post had a load of wisdom as well as being very inspirational.

Also, I like the respect you've shown to others in this thread, including (but not just) thanking people for their comments, including the formal button thing.


Having said that, when I went to download the free ebook you mentioned (I rarely do this), I was so put off by the sales stuff that I didn't download.

I dunno, no offence but the off-topic stuff kinda made this seem a little like a very well disguised pitch for the sig. I hope I am wrong. Just my impression, afraid a bit of honest feedback there.


Regardless, thanks for this excellent, inspirational thread.

Hi Sam,

Sorry if sales information turns you off. It does some people. For many people they need the information to make a good decision.

But it's all cool.

Is this thread designed to get people to download my book? At some level, all of my posts are designed to get people to download my book (or take some other action to move them toward doing business with me.)

Everything I do in my business is designed around one principle: I am in business to make a profit by helping others achieve their goals. This thread is hopefully going to get people to eventually do business with me.

I hope one of those people is eventually you.

[Darrel Hawes]

Kevin,

I checked out your ebook, and liked it immediately. It is one of the better ebooks of its type that I've seen.

Low hype, high content.

Well done!

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by Darrel Hawes

Kevin,

I checked out your ebook, and liked it immediately. It is one of the better ebooks of its type that I've seen.

Low hype, high content.

Well done!

Thanks Darrel! I appreciate it.

[opportunites]

Having a big goals are very important... but sometimes it can impede you.
Because if the goal is to big it will drain you energy down. you may start with great motivation, but in the midle of the word you get dicouraged simply because your goal is to far to reach.

But you need to plan and set your goal carefully: not too small, not to big. it is why a solid formation is important.

[Darrel Hawes]

Kevin,

You're welcome. I've been thinking of putting together "get started online" plan for my teenage sons, and now I don't have to.

[jhongren]

Hi Kevin,

I managed to get your free report

excellent report which I am
going to print out and read again.

regarding big goals, yes, I totally
agree...goal settings is very important
and as internet marketers, we need
to know where we want to go and
by when....

it is a timeline we have to set for
ourselves in order to make sure
we are progressing....

i have also learnt that if i open
up my mind to be receptive to
making $10,000 a month (compared
to $100 a month for example),
the action plan I am going to
take is going to be so much different
and Bigger steps.... =)

Thanks again!

P.S: this thread is also about such mindset
=> Quick Way To $50k This Month

John

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by threatlevelorange

I'd love to sign up, Kevin. Problem is, I have zero dollars left. Does your report include a membership? I would sign up regardless, but I actually have no money left.

The guide is free with opt-in. I'll also be doing more free teleseminars for people on my list.

There are membership options but they are certainly optional.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by jhongren

Hi Kevin,

I managed to get your free report

excellent report which I am
going to print out and read again.

regarding big goals, yes, I totally
agree...goal settings is very important
and as internet marketers, we need
to know where we want to go and
by when....

it is a timeline we have to set for
ourselves in order to make sure
we are progressing....

i have also learnt that if i open
up my mind to be receptive to
making $10,000 a month (compared
to $100 a month for example),
the action plan I am going to
take is going to be so much different
and Bigger steps.... =)

Thanks again!

P.S: this thread is also about such mindset
=> Quick Way To $50k This Month

John

Good points John.

I look at it this way: If you don't have a plan to take you to your goal then you don't really have a goal you have a wish.

And that thread is awesome.

[opportunites]

Thanks for the challenge...

I will read it

[PCRoger]

The ebook is pretty well done.

My only question after a first read is whether it's a big much to expect to pick a niche and do necessary research that quickly.

I'm sure you have details on how to find those JV partners quickly also - I wonder how many RESPOND to contact info quickly enough to make the timetable.

Naturally, I realize you are hoping for coaching clients.

PCRoger.

[charlesburke]

Hope this doesn't come off as cynical-sounding, but how hard is it to find the unsubscribe instructions/link in your membership site?

Reason I ask is, twice recently I've signed up for offers that seemed amazing, and which included a membership (didn't clearly disclose the fact till after signup) and had a devil of a time canceling them. So now anytime I see offers with any kind of membership "bonus" attached, my first reaction is to just say no.

I don't mind signing up, and I don't mind staying and paying if it's worth the fee. But if it's not, I'd like to know where the exit door is.

Cheers from warm and smiling Thailand,
Charles

[Learnanew]

Zero Advertising Budget?! Now I REALLY wanna know his source of traffic.

I also opted in to get your free report and was actually pretty impressed. I don't think I've actually gotten a report for free that shows you how to do Joint Ventures.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by opportunites

Thanks for the challenge...

I will read it

You are welcome.

[Black Hat Cat]

Originally Posted by PCRoger

I've seen a lot of people say "create your own product", but that is easier said than done. And while you are creating it, chances are there is very little if any $$ coming in.
Regards,
Roger.

Funny, that's the same amount that will be coming in while you aren't creating it too.

Excuses, excuses, excuses. If you want easy, fill out an application and go to work for someone else.

[Judge Groovyman]

This is a cool thread. Thanks for the good motivational story.
Quote by W. Clement Stone: "Aim for the moon. If you miss, you may hit a star."

Originally Posted by dbbrock1

Man don't I feel like a newb. I thought my $3.5k/m after 4 months was good. This puts me to shame. I definitely need to take a look at this membership site crazy again.

No shame whatsoever in 3.5k/m after any timeframe IMHO. I'm actually impressed and inspired.

Originally Posted by Success With Dany

Kevin, in 10 years of helping many people online, how much in % would you say is the rate of people actually sticking to the plan, taking action and finally making money?

Could it be (shudders) 1-3%?

I've heard in other circles that only 3% of people ever reach their goals. You probably hit the nail on the head.
is right.

Is it only 3% because the other 97% don't define and visualize clear exciting goals? Sometimes easy attainable goals (even getting up to get a soda from the fridge) don't get done ... why? Perhaps because the pleasure associated doesn't outweigh the pain. If we got totally STOKED and crank up the perceived pleasure perhaps that will pull us and help us get off our butt and really stick to the plan.

Any other theories why the percentage is so small?

The OPs Main point stands tall and we really can't get too stoked about a small not that exciting goal.

[LegitBlogger]

Very revealing post indeed. Thanks for sharing it.
I have always known it that the difference between
those who succeed and those who fail isn't in
"knowledge". It's in "action". He took "action" on
the same "knowledge" that MOST of others won't
take action on.

I am confident that if we all take the same "action"
that should be taken on the "knowledge" we are
exposed to, we will surely succeed!
.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by PCRoger

The ebook is pretty well done.

My only question after a first read is whether it's a big much to expect to pick a niche and do necessary research that quickly.

I'm sure you have details on how to find those JV partners quickly also - I wonder how many RESPOND to contact info quickly enough to make the timetable.

Naturally, I realize you are hoping for coaching clients.

PCRoger.

Of course they will never respond until we take action, and the timeline is completely up to how much action we take. I have had JV's from one recruiting email that went out within 24 hours many times. Other times it has taken months to get someone to do a JV with me.

The key, however, is not how long it takes, it's how long we spend thinking about it before we go out and take action. The sooner we take action, the sooner we succeed.

Later this week I will be doing a teleconference free for people on my list discussing unusual ways to find/recruit JV partners. I would encourage you to look for the email and plan to attend. (If anyone wants to be notified just use the link in my signature below...)

[sahanull]

well said, our goals has be higher.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by charlesburke

Hope this doesn't come off as cynical-sounding, but how hard is it to find the unsubscribe instructions/link in your membership site?

Reason I ask is, twice recently I've signed up for offers that seemed amazing, and which included a membership (didn't clearly disclose the fact till after signup) and had a devil of a time canceling them. So now anytime I see offers with any kind of membership "bonus" attached, my first reaction is to just say no.

I don't mind signing up, and I don't mind staying and paying if it's worth the fee. But if it's not, I'd like to know where the exit door is.

Cheers from warm and smiling Thailand,
Charles

Hi Charles,

Good question. Since we are not yet offering a member "area"--just a download area and twice monthly seminars--there isn't a link in the member area. However each email has a cancellation link you can use any time.

[katiec]

Work smart, not hard. That's probably one of the best examples of that I've ever seen. Kudos.

[Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter]

Originally Posted by Learnanew

Zero Advertising Budget?! Now I REALLY wanna know his source of traffic.

I also opted in to get your free report and was actually pretty impressed. I don't think I've actually gotten a report for free that shows you how to do Joint Ventures.

Thanks.

Other than PPC, pretty much all the highest volume traffic producers are either free (like SEO) or pay for performance (like JV's and affiliate marketing.)

[Learnanew]

Originally Posted by Kevin-VirtualProfitCenter

Thanks.

Other than PPC, pretty much all the highest volume traffic producers are either free (like SEO) or pay for performance (like JV's and affiliate marketing.)

I always assumed Joint Ventures involved two people sending their lists to each others squeeze pages.

Which is why I'm kind of curious in how you can get people to send traffic to your squeeze page without doing anything on their behalf. Unless of course, he offered reccurring commisions to his membership site. That I can understand.

Sorry if I'm prying too much, I know you can't divulge more. I just really need to conquer or at least borderline understand this part.

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Originally Posted by Learnanew

I always assumed Joint Ventures involved two people sending their lists to each others squeeze pages.

Which is why I'm kind of curious in how you can get people to send traffic to your squeeze page without doing anything on their behalf. Unless of course, he offered reccurring commisions to his membership site. That I can understand.

Sorry if I'm prying too much, I know you can't divulge more. I just really need to conquer or at least borderline understand this part.

Thanks for the comment.

In most cases joint ventures do NOT require sharing of lists. (Most people I know would call something like that a list exchange--though some could certainly call it a JV.)

Typically a JV partner gets a commission in return for telling his list about a product or service. For details you can pick up the book in my signature.