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Giving Out Product 'Secrets' - Controversial!

by Tom Brite
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Hey Warriors,

It just came to me while reading another topic that i often buy WSO's and other products online and then i feel like i can't share what they say in them anymore even if i already knew that exact same thing.

What i mean is....

I have information 'a' in my head already but it could be further back and not at the front of my mind, i then buy a product and that same information 'a' is inside the product.

For some reason i feel compelled not to reveal information 'a' anymore until someone else does as respect to that product creator.

Now its not always the main substance to their product but sometimes it is too.

My question for all of you is do you get this same thing?

And also would you give the information away (free or sell) or not and why?

Maybe its just because ive created products before and still do and hate it when people give out the same or very similar information, especially in the same place when i have a product giving that information for sale. It makes me almost feel as though they brought my product and then are sharing when i know that they actually probably haven't.

Tom Brite
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  • Profile picture of the author Zeus66
    Comes with the territory, Tom. Yes, I feel that way sometimes too, but this is a huge marketing forum with a lot of bright minds. If you buy as many WSO's as I do (I need help, seriously), then you know that a lot of them just contain info you could get here for free if you spent a few hours digging around. I look at it this way: if I can spend $7-$27 on a WSO and it gives me a great idea that it might take me 3-4 hours to find here on my own, plodding through post after post, then hey, I'm happy to pay it. If I eventually discover what amounts to the same info on a post here somewhere, sometime, so be it. I have, in fact. But I didn't feel 'gypped' or fooled at all. I got the info in one place and didn't have to spend my valuable time searching high and low for it.

    Anyway, I think you gotta keep that same perspective if/when someone divulges something that's in one of your own WSO's. Unless it's something proprietary that you own some kind of legal right to (and only you), I think it's all fair game. I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the old shed, so I don't sweat it when someone else hits on the same ideas I had.

    John
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
      Originally Posted by Zeus66 View Post

      Comes with the territory, Tom. Yes, I feel that way sometimes too, but this is a huge marketing forum with a lot of bright minds. If you buy as many WSO's as I do (I need help, seriously), then you know that a lot of them just contain info you could get here for free if you spent a few hours digging around. I look at it this way: if I can spend $7-$27 on a WSO and it gives me a great idea that it might take me 3-4 hours to find here on my own, plodding through post after post, then hey, I'm happy to pay it. If I eventually discover what amounts to the same info on a post here somewhere, sometime, so be it. I have, in fact. But I didn't feel 'gypped' or fooled at all. I got the info in one place and didn't have to spend my valuable time searching high and low for it.

      Anyway, I think you gotta keep that same perspective if/when someone divulges something that's in one of your own WSO's. Unless it's something proprietary that you own some kind of legal right to (and only you), I think it's all fair game. I know I'm not the sharpest tool in the old shed, so I don't sweat it when someone else hits on the same ideas I had.

      John
      Phew! Im glad im not the only one then at least.

      Not sure how many WSO's you buy but i seem to be scanning that section more and more everyday and hate it when i work out just how much ive spent their each month (normally in the 1000's) but then worst of all i never seem to remember what i spent the money on exactly!

      Thanks for your input anyhow John i really appreciate it

      Tom Brite
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  • Profile picture of the author impact-productions
    99% of information on this forum and in WSOs is recycled, maybe more.

    Essentially, you pay for the convenience of it all being collected in one place and being carefully arranged, plus the extra examples which come with it.

    Sometimes you pay for the convenience of having it in a different format. For instance, a sector of people will pay to get information in video form rather than having to read about it.

    I think it's a poor show to deliberately recycle information at the same time as a WSO is running, but to use a small part of it, in conjunction with other ideas is perfectly reasonable. I can't imagine that anyone would object to that.
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
      Originally Posted by impact-productions View Post

      99% of information on this forum and in WSOs is recycled, maybe more.

      Essentially, you pay for the convenience of it all being collected in one place and being carefully arranged, plus the extra examples which come with it.

      Sometimes you pay for the convenience of having it in a different format. For instance, a sector of people will pay to get information in video form rather than having to read about it.

      I think it's a poor show to deliberately recycle information at the same time as a WSO is running, but to use a small part of it, in conjunction with other ideas is perfectly reasonable. I can't imagine that anyone would object to that.
      Yeah in my case that's what happened and it was only a small part of it and the resource they gave was actually the worst one possible however still the principle method was the same, but as you said im almost guaranteed that it will have already been spoken about elsewhere unless it really is brand new!

      Maybe im just making a fuss over nothing but i can still see myself being compelled not to give any information away thats in the wso's ive brought unless it's everywhere and no different in the wso! It's those things ive only seen a few times that are the worst though.

      Or maybe i should just stop buying wso's... heck i realy don't need half of them but for some reason i seem to actually enjoy buying them and reading them most of the time.

      Tom Brite
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      • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
        I personally think that if you give out info that was just recently released by someone else - You should be prepared to prove that you "practiced" it.

        I personally know that I would call someone out if I knew someone bought one of my product and then started spouting the same info...
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
          Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

          I personally think that if you give out info that was just recently released by someone else - You should be prepared to prove that you "practiced" it.

          I personally know that I would call someone out if I knew someone bought one of my product and then started spouting the same info...
          Finding out if they brought your product is usually kinda hard when alot of people here don't use their name in the warrior username but i suppose with some detective work you could!

          Plus i agree with the whole 'practiced it' part however on the most part alot of information given out is what people have heard or read and they don't in-fact practice it before they preach! Not a good way to go but it still happens... alot!

          Tom Brite
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          • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
            Everything you said is true enough...

            But, if you have been marketing for a short period of time and then suddenly claim that you know the secrets to the universe, you should be prepared to get called out.

            If a marketer that has been in the game for 5 years claims that he knows something in particular, it's kind of hard to prove that he doesn't. However, if Joe Marketer who you can only trace back a couple months online claims to know the earth, moon, and stars - chances are good he/she is a sham.

            Same thing with the marketer that has a new product every 3 days that can show you how to make $1000 a day online GUARANTEED.

            To me, they are in the same boat and for the most part simply taking advantage of people with an "info addiction".
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  • Profile picture of the author George Wright
    That is also the downside of answering posts, "review my new product."

    More than once I've already created a product or I'm in the process of creating a product that is similar to the one being reviewed."

    Now I ask myself, should I put mine on hold for a while.

    I actually have broken a resolve to myself several times to stop reviewing products. .

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    • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
      Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

      That is also the downside of answering posts, "review my new product."
      You know what is even worse?

      I once asked for reviews - sent it out to 15 people - and before I knew it a WSO was being run with my product and someone elses name on the cover

      Lesson learned.

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      • Profile picture of the author adamv
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        You know what is even worse?

        I once asked for reviews - sent it out to 15 people - and before I knew it a WSO was being run with my product and someone elses name on the cover

        Lesson learned.

        Jeremy
        I would never do that to you Jeremy. If you have anything you want to give out early I'll be first in line. But then I'll be begging and pleading with you NOT to realease it so I can be one of the few to use and profit from it with as little competition as possible.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by adamv View Post

          I would never do that to you Jeremy. If you have anything you want to give out early I'll be first in line. But then I'll be begging and pleading with you NOT to realease it so I can be one of the few to use and profit from it with as little competition as possible.
          You guys usually get it first anyway
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          • Profile picture of the author adamv
            Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

            You guys usually get it first anyway
            Yeah, but then you go and release it to the general public. I want those little gold nuggets all to myself.

            At least I can rest assured that even if 1000 people buy a wso there's a pretty good chance that only about 12 will do anything with it. That does make it a little easier.
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            • Profile picture of the author adamv
              Tom,
              The main reason I've never released a WSO for some how to product is because I've never "invented" any particular technique. So I know what you're talking about.

              I have some strategies that work and work very well but at least 75% of those strategies that are making money for me came from Don and Jeremy so I'd hate to come out with a WSO that was a complete rip off of their stuff.
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              • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
                Remember this....

                Products are not always purely about information - Sometimes, a process alone is enough to make it "click" for people - This is true especially outside of the IM niche...

                Look at some of the most successful products on clickbank out of the MMO niche and you will see that most of them are "process' products with very little info.
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        • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
          Originally Posted by TMG Enterprises View Post

          Please tell me that they were banned for this theft, Jeremy! That is terrible.

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          Actually, I was told that you can't copyright Ideas

          I was still pretty "fresh" and got pissed off for a coupe hours - destroyed my computer monitor - unleashed a series of obscenities in the magnitude that my neighbors had never heard and let it go.

          Today, I would call a lawyer in a heart beat
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      • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        Everything you said is true enough...

        But, if you have been marketing for a short period of time and then suddenly claim that you know the secrets to the universe, you should be prepared to get called out.

        If a marketer that has been in the game for 5 years claims that he knows something in particular, it's kind of hard to prove that he doesn't. However, if Joe Marketer who you can only trace back a couple months online claims to know the earth, moon, and stars - chances are good he/she is a sham.

        Same thing with the marketer that has a new product every 3 days that can show you how to make $1000 a day online GUARANTEED.

        To me, they are in the same boat and for the most part simply taking advantage of people with an "info addiction".
        Damn Jeremy you seem to always do this and just cut me in my tracks when i think i bring up something that can't be resolved you resolve it.

        Oh and that 'info addiction' is probably including myself.... anyone know of a local rehab?

        Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

        That is also the downside of answering posts, "review my new product."

        More than once I've already created a product or I'm in the process of creating a product that is similar to the one being reviewed."

        Now I ask myself, should I put mine on hold for a while.

        I actually have broken a resolve to myself several times to stop reviewing products. .

        George Wright
        That's a good point... i was scounting round looking for hot product ideas and did some reviews and the same thing happened to me except i hadn't started the product on paper yet but it was at the forefront of my mind.

        Sometimes i think its just better not to know some things and continue with what your doing!

        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        You know what is even worse?

        I once asked for reviews - sent it out to 15 people - and before I knew it a WSO was being run with my product and someone elses name on the cover

        Lesson learned.

        Jeremy
        Damn thats a hard lesson!

        However they probably only sold a fraction of the number of copies you would have sold and in turn!

        Plus i hope you did something about it... right?

        Tom Brite

        Edit: Damn your all too quick for me! Jeremy that does suck really bad and when you were 'fresh' would probably have ment no one took you seriously if you had have called them out and made a fool of them! However in the end of it all look where you are now and i bet they are still trying to sell whatever they can to make some chump change.
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      • Profile picture of the author Dan C. Rinnert
        Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

        You know what is even worse?

        I once asked for reviews - sent it out to 15 people - and before I knew it a WSO was being run with my product and someone elses name on the cover

        Lesson learned.
        Fortunately, I've had somewhat of the opposite happen: A fellow Warrior declined to review a product I was working on when he found out it was similar to a product he was working on.
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        • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
          Originally Posted by Dan C. Rinnert View Post

          Fortunately, I've had somewhat of the opposite happen: A fellow Warrior declined to review a product I was working on when he found out it was similar to a product he was working on.
          Now that would be much better!

          You could say though that reviewing and buying similar wso's and products to the one you want to make gives you an idea on pricing and means you can also add some more things in to yours so you have absolutely everything, plus a higher price and value than all others out there.

          Maybe its just because the IM niche, especially when you actively participate is very close knit.

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  • Profile picture of the author Will Edwards
    Interesting question Tom. I think it's down to your own ethics what you choose to do in this situation. Recently I have seen a couple of posts appear in the main forum with tips which were also in current WSOs. Perhaps they were coincidences - they do happen after all - perhaps not.

    Will
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    • Profile picture of the author Tom Brite
      Originally Posted by Will Edwards View Post

      Interesting question Tom. I think it's down to your own ethics what you choose to do in this situation. Recently I have seen a couple of posts appear in the main forum with tips which were also in current WSOs. Perhaps they were coincidences - they do happen after all - perhaps not.

      Will
      Exactly Will,

      As the product owner it wont look like coincidence but it could just be that they read your sales page and posted some info about it that they already had.

      However then i always like to think as any 'competition' including information on my topics of choice for a product as aids and helps in making me more sales.

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