Anyone Still Making Lots Of $$$$$ With Clickbank?

[MIB Mastermind]

Hey Warriors

Just wanted to find out if there is still a good number of people on this forum making good money promoting clickbank products?

I am not wanting to no exactly what you guys are making, but I am curious to no if there are still people making hundreds to thousands daily on clickbank?

The reason I ask is because I have never done very well with clickbank where as with CPA I make decent amounts of money mostly through PPC.

I usually find with cb that the ebooks etc are mostly poor quality and don't convert that well, anyone else think the same? should I give up on cb or are there still good profits to be made?

Would appreciate your thoughts folks.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by MIB Mastermind

Just wanted to find out if there is still a good number of people on this forum making good money promoting clickbank products?

There will be, I'm sure; but I suspect that the ones earning the most are perhaps, collectively, the ones least likely to see the thread and reply.

[doctfeelgood]

Hi, I have heard that clickbank is still making alot of people money (friends of mine) but i do not use as of this juncture but it is something that i am researching into. As one of the things i have been told is make sure you sell the good stuff and how to find out what is good and what isn't. If you sell the good stuff then there is money to be made.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by MIB Mastermind

I usually find with cb that the ebooks etc are mostly poor quality and don't convert that well

These are two very different points, really? Their failure to convert well is primarily a function of their sales pages, rather than of the products themselves.

Originally Posted by MIB Mastermind

should I give up on cb or are there still good profits to be made?

In my opinion, there are very good profits to be made among the low gravity items without fierce competition, as long as their sales pages convert adequately. (And don't let anyone tell you that if their sales pages converted well they'd have higher gravity, because it isn't necessarily true!).

[Marhelper]

There are three niches in which I have made very good money and still do but I am looking to develop my own products more and more as well as starting to look into CPA.

[Adam Carn]

I love CB and I've been with them for a very long time. I've never had problems with them, my earnings have always been reliable. When I slacked they went down, when I worked they went up.

Thanks,
Adam

[MIB Mastermind]

Yeah Alexa

In my short experience with cb I would have to say that 90% of there sales pages suck, I usually ask the product owner what there sales page converts at and you no the number they give me is poles apart from the number I get.

[MIB Mastermind]

Originally Posted by Marhelper

There are three niches in which I have made very good money and still do but I am looking to develop my own products more and more as well as starting to look into CPA.

Yes well CPA has been good for me, Just the last few months I have been making very good money through adwords mostly, but have so far failed to bring that success over to cb.

[Alex Williams]

The problem is not in ClickBank, the problem is in a product you promote. If it`s something people need, and converts well, then you can make lots of money on CB. The thing is, so many people lately put just any product out there...

[MIB Mastermind]

Originally Posted by Alex Williams

The problem is not in ClickBank, the problem is in a product you promote. If it`s something people need, and converts well, then you can make lots of money on CB. The thing is, so many people lately put just any product out there...

I tend to look for products with a gravity of around 100 and a low refund rate, any other suggestions for picking a product to promote?

[willyboy104]

Originally Posted by MIB Mastermind

I tend to look for products with a gravity of around 100 and a low refund rate, any other suggestions for picking a product to promote?

Personally I find as both a vendor and an affiliate asking the vendor for the conversion rate should be taken with a pinch of salt. I say this because a conversion rate is only tried and tested on that specific persons abilities to market the product and each area of marketing can effect the conversion rate.

For example if person 1 promotes the product through article marketing they may get a large amount of people clicking through out of curiosity, not yet in the state of mind needed for a sale.

However if person 2 promotes through SEO and targets specific buying words then the conversion rate is most likely going to be better.

What I mean is by you saying the conversion rates are generally poles apart well this should be obvious from the start unless you're using the identical methods of marketing.

Overall I find its quite useless to ask a Vendor the conversion rates unless you follow that up with how have you marketed the product e.t.c

I have found affiliates of my product converting at 1 in 5 then others converting at 1 in 50 and others yet to convert.

Originally Posted by MIB Mastermind

I tend to look for products with a gravity of around 100 and a low refund rate, any other suggestions for picking a product to promote?

If 90% of the sales pages suck then it should make choosing you're decision to find a product to promote much easier.

You want to target a product tht you're either interested in or willing to promote. You want to read the product sales page, put yourself in the shoes of a potential customer and see whether the sales page makes you want to buy the product.

You want to ask for a review of the product, you want to read it and see if its what it says it is on the tin. You want to see if the product is worth the price. If the price is right in that market. You want to check for competition. You want to check the page loads good, it has good navigation that they have affiliate resources that everything works.


And so on...

[quantikev]

I think the way people most commonly make 'hundreds to thousands daily' on Clickbank is by owning the product and letting their affiliates do the marketing.

Then again, if you have a busy website on the topic you are promoting affiliate products for, any network with good affiliate products on the market has potential.

[MIB Mastermind]

Great points willboy I will take what you said on board.

Thanks

[katiec]

CB is working pretty well for me. It's nothing to write home about, it's better than 0$ and less than I'd like, but all in all, not a bad source.

[nicholasb]

If I were to drop all of my other income steams and just collect my clickbank check every other saturday, I would still have plenty of money to pay all my bills with extra to spare.

but clickbank does account for a large share of my income still, and I dont see it slowing down any time soon

[kelvin yeo]

Originally Posted by MIB Mastermind

I tend to look for products with a gravity of around 100 and a low refund rate, any other suggestions for picking a product to promote?

Could you share how you go about establishing the refund rate? Do you ask the product owner directly?

[hyperlite]

It's really easy to make CB sales. Just shoot for products with lower gravity and less competition but with a good sales page. Don't try to sell in weight loss or internet marketing, you'll get owned. Focus on the low hanging fruit.

[islander1]

Originally Posted by Alex Williams

The problem is not in ClickBank, the problem is in a product you promote. If it`s something people need, and converts well, then you can make lots of money on CB. The thing is, so many people lately put just any product out there...

I agree with this. It's the product that matters, not the payment processor. There is ALOT of junk on CB that most likely doesn't sell, but there are some products in hungry markets that actually help people, and those still sell pretty well.

[Zach Booker]

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Don't buy these. Look at the Clickbank numbers. You can't have fake screenshots if you're promoting your product through Clickbank.

'nuff said.

Zach

P.S- If all else fails just go stare at the monies counter at Digital Products Retailer: Affiliate Program & Sell Online - ClickBank

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by MIB Mastermind

I tend to look for products with a gravity of around 100 and a low refund rate, any other suggestions for picking a product to promote?

Yes.

Either stop using gravity as a criterion for product selection at all, or look at products with a gravity more like 5 - 30. Don't imagine that there's necessarily a correlation between gravity and conversion-rate; nor that there's necessarily a correlation between gravity and numbers of sales. The alleged easy rewards of promoting products with a gravity around 100 are, in my opinion, a myth propagated by two large groups of people: (i) vendors with high-gravity products wanting to replace the affiliates they're frequently turning over because the product's conversion-rate isn't that great (gravity is partly self-perpetuating because gravity attracts affiliates and affiliates create gravity), and (ii) people who firmly but mistakenly believe that there's a correlation between gravity and sales numbers and/or between gravity and conversion-rates. Learning this and acting on it was what eventually turned me into a profitable affiliate.

Look for good products with sales pages which you think ought to convert reasonably well, which you can easily write about and review. Avoid anything with "sales page leaks" (such as any sort of opt-in on the sales page, exit pop-up or whatever). This can make an enormous difference to one's profitability as an affiliate. Build your own list(s) from your own pre-selling pages - don't let vendors build their lists with potential customers found from your work, time, experience, effort, energy and money. If you can make five sales per day paying $30 each (across however many niches/products it takes to do that), your Clickbank income will be $4,500 per month, as long as you genuinely get paid on all the sales you produce.

[inmyneed]

im still making plenty of money with click bank but that's thanks to a different system I use which pretty much does all the work for me.. So I cant take the credit for my success =D

[Thomas Smale]

The best way to make money with Clickbank is to have your own product and promote it through there. You can still make decent money promoting other peoples products, but hey, why do all the hardwork for them when they can be making money for you

[blase40]

I have pretty good success with Clickbank considering how little I focus on it. I have found that I can make a decent amount with CB products and press releases.

[MoneyPlus]

I make money with Clickbank. Not the $100s/day like the big shots.
But then I don't use PPC, just SEO so my expenses are close to zero.
And I'm still learning.

So to answer your question, YES you still can make money with Clickbank.
(Keith Wellman has an excellent product about making money with Clickbank
by adding video to the salesletter).

[jazbo]

Never used CB. The fees and the stupid rules about not getting paid until you have a payment in Albanian Kroner or something, put me off. I use paydotcom.com instead and it working very nicely in terms of lower fees and plenty of affiliates wanting to sell stuff for me.

[scrofford]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Yes.

Either stop using gravity as a criterion for product selection at all, or look at products with a gravity more like 5 - 30. Don't imagine that there's necessarily a correlation between gravity and conversion-rate; nor that there's necessarily a correlation between gravity and numbers of sales. The alleged easy rewards of promoting products with a gravity around 100 are, in my opinion, a myth propagated by two large groups of people: (i) vendors with high-gravity products wanting to replace the affiliates they're frequently turning over because the product's conversion-rate isn't that great (gravity is partly self-perpetuating because gravity attracts affiliates and affiliates create gravity), and (ii) people who firmly but mistakenly believe that there's a correlation between gravity and sales numbers and/or between gravity and conversion-rates. Learning this and acting on it was what eventually turned me into a profitable affiliate.

Look for good products with sales pages which you think ought to convert reasonably well, which you can easily write about and review. Avoid anything with "sales page leaks" (such as any sort of opt-in on the sales page, exit pop-up or whatever). This can make an enormous difference to one's profitability as an affiliate. Build your own list(s) from your own pre-selling pages - don't let vendors build their lists with potential customers found from your work, time, experience, effort, energy and money. If you can make five sales per day paying $30 each (across however many niches/products it takes to do that), your Clickbank income will be $4,500 per month, as long as you genuinely get paid on all the sales you produce.

Excellent advice! Thanks Alexa...I seem to have a tough time with clickbank at times. I really don't know why Click bank uses the "gravity" anyway.

[keivn2]

It is good to hear that earning money from clickbank is not impossible or myth after all

because I, myself isn't doing well with clickbank and it had been a years...

it turned out that it is my problem and fault instead of blaming the products in Clickbank for being over saturated.

[frans240]

MM..clickbank was the first I signed up for as an affiliate.. not much luck there yet...however I made my first sale there ..so I guess it still has big potential..(if I can do it anyone can hehe)

Just wondering if there is any chance an experienced (affiliate) marketer who would like to give some tips after reviewing my articles and related blogs/websites

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by keivn2

it turned out that it is my problem and fault instead of blaming the products in Clickbank

That's my position, too. It took me nearly 6 months to get started profitably with Clickbank. I found that although there's nothing particularly difficult or complicated about it, it was a tricky learning-curve because I started off (as I'm sure many people do) with a tendency to believe and try to be guided by "majority opinions" expressed in forums. It was only when I eventually learned to judge who's worth listening to, and that the majority are often horribly wrong, that it all started falling into place for me. There's a lot of valuable information about "making money by being a Clickbank affiliate" available online ... and a huge amount of misinformation, too.

[Christophe Young]

There are TONS of products on Clickbank. I think how successful a person is really depends on their ability to choose the right product and their skills at marketing it.

I have a lot of affiliates who have made NO sales because they aren't putting my product in front of targeted prospects or they aren't really trying hard at the marketing. (I'm surprised at how many people think sticking a product on a blog with their affiliate link on it and then forgetting about it, will make them easy money.) On the other hand, I have affiliates who are making sales because they already have a list of targeted leads in a related niche.

Those are the affiliates who will make money more quickly in this case.

Lots of variables involved.

[Poglia]

I'm currently making $400-500 per month with Clickbank. I think that the best thing is creating your own product on a niche without competition (definitely NOT "how to make money online"). I would love to create my product, but I haven't good ideas right now.

[MisterMunch]

Originally Posted by kelvin yeo

Could you share how you go about establishing the refund rate? Do you ask the product owner directly?

To find the refund rate, you have to look at the reward clickbank/vendor gives you on average per sale (the number to the left) and compare it to how much you should get.

If a product sells for 100 bucks and you get 75% the average commision should be like 73 or something (clickbank do take something)

If the average commision is 65, then something is wrong. They have a lot of refunds.

This methods have some errors thoug, many vendors use an exit popup with a discount. This will give a lower average commission. The page might also have increased their price lately, or increased their aff. commision. This will also give a lower average number, since the stats is also from the time with lower price or commission.

If you ask the vendor you probably get 0 % refund rates, and 10 % conversion. You can not trust their data. They may be based on the best day, or their hopes.

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by MisterMunch

If a product sells for 100 bucks and you get 75% the average commision should be like 73 or something

If a product sells for $100, on 75% commission, then the affiliate actually gets $68.62 per sale.

Originally Posted by MisterMunch

many vendors use an exit popup with a discount. This will give a lower average commission. The page might also have increased their price lately, or increased their aff. commision. This will also give a lower average number, since the stats is also from the time with lower price or commission.

True enough. And if they use an exit pop-up that collects your prospect's email address, you may not actually get any commission at all, shock horror!

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by MisterMunch

If a product sells for 100 bucks and you get 75% the average commision should be like 73 or something (clickbank do take something)

68.63 to be precise

I used my calculator ==>ClickBank Calculator

Originally Posted by MisterMunch

This methods have some errors thoug, many vendors use an exit popup with a discount. This will give a lower average commission. The page might also have increased their price lately, or increased their aff. commision. This will also give a lower average number, since the stats is also from the time with lower price or commission.

You missed the main factor which upsets any calculation - multiple
products in an account.

Harvey

[mikeyman120]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

I used my calculator ==>ClickBank Calculator

Thanks for that Harvey. On my sites I say the commission is 70% so they get $25.90 minus clickbank fees. Now I can tell them exactely how much they get.

Mike

[alexanderberson]

Yes sir.

Clickbank has been amazing to me.

[DAS_Matt]

Clickbank is like everything else. You put smart research with good sales tactics and you'll make money.

Now, that said, avenues of profitability, especially on the web, generally have their easy entry with big profits rapid growth period that peaks followed by abit of a slump that reults in a long period of steadiness and then a declining period as other avenues rise up and take market share away and it's not near the player in the areana it once was but still makes smart people goo money. I'd say the easy rush and peak of Clickbank is over and the steady period is here. Still profitabel to be ure but it's a bit harder to stand out and get a successful product but most certainly still can be done.

[Vaan]

Wow, I think I'm the ones with the low income

I just make $ 77 tommorow but before that I don't generate any..

English is not my primary language that make me can't make a good products, yeah... but I do will keep my work in front of anything..

Someday I will make at least $ 10,000, yeah someday
I'm set up the held limit to $ 10,000

Vaan

[whateverpedia]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

... and a huge amount of misinformation, too.

Very politely put. I would've said plain bull***t.

[Ryan700]

Originally Posted by althseeeker

Hi, I here a lot of guys are apparently making a decent amount promoting cb (myself not included unfortunately), would like to know through what systems they use other than the obvious, adwords, ppc, seo?

This is quite funny. Where you admit you aren't making money (a decent amount) you are selling a product on a page that has clickbank sales graphics all over it and your link says "make $10,000 a week"
BTW, you should read the TOS about signature files and adjust accordingly. I'm just saying........

[KenSilver]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

...Look for good products with sales pages which you think ought to convert reasonably well, which you can easily write about and review. Avoid anything with "sales page leaks" (such as any sort of opt-in on the sales page, exit pop-up or whatever). This can make an enormous difference to one's profitability as an affiliate. Build your own list(s) from your own pre-selling pages - don't let vendors build their lists with potential customers found from your work, time, experience, effort, energy and money...

Hey Alexa,

What you say is true in some cases, but don't forget that a seller's opt-in newsletter can be gold for affiliates, because it presents a proven selling opportunity to the prospect many times while the ClickBank affiliate link is still fresh. In my case, my prospects get up to 40 newsletters before the link expires in 60 days. That accounts for 90% of my sales... the other 10% comes direct from the first visit to my websites.

In my experience, newsletters written by the affiliate rarely have the oomph needed for top power sales conversions.

[David Snape]

I wonder if anyone else has noticed something like this: There are days when all affiliate programs and direct sales go well and then there are other days when across the board - their are few sales.... Yet at the same time, it seems that on both types of days your adwords spend can be exactly the same...

Does anyone else 1. experience that? 2. Understand why it is like that?

[Adeel_Chowdhry]

Originally Posted by MIB Mastermind

Hey Warriors

Just wanted to find out if there is still a good number of people on this forum making good money promoting clickbank products?

I am not wanting to no exactly what you guys are making, but I am curious to no if there are still people making hundreds to thousands daily on clickbank?

The reason I ask is because I have never done very well with clickbank where as with CPA I make decent amounts of money mostly through PPC.

I usually find with cb that the ebooks etc are mostly poor quality and don't convert that well, anyone else think the same? should I give up on cb or are there still good profits to be made?

Would appreciate your thoughts folks.

If you want to become very rich fast as an affiliate marketer then you need to become a product vendor first.

Build that list up.

Then affiliate marketing will come naturally right after.. and bring you great income.

This is the secret.

-- Adeel

[cscarpero]

Clickbank is still working great for me!

[Margaret Arumugam]

September was pretty bleak for me in CB. October too is barely alive.

I feel my sales like a sputtering, crackling phone. Doesn't look good or consistent enough for the efforts I put into it.