My friend doesn't have a clue but wants help.

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Hey Guys,

I have a friend who runs a small clothes store specialising in hip hop fashions. It hasn't really taken off yet and I think the reason is that he hasn't advertised outside of the hardcore music scene that he is known in (he also produces music dvd's and mixtapes so people know him through this).

He has come around to thinking that he wants to advertise and get some business in but I am finding it tricky working with him. I don't take money from friends so everything I am doing for him is gratis but it is such hard work trying to show him how to make money.

He is stuck in the mode of thinking that his industry is different from everyone elses, I am sure anyone who has done any consulting knows exactly what I am talking about.

He is talking about getting his site in the search engines for keywords. He has decided what keywords are best for him without any research and after running them through adwords and doing some research I can see that they won't be bringing him any business.

I have also researched some good keywords but he doesn't like them for some reason, he seems to want to market on keywords that people SHOULD be searching on, not on what they actually ARE seaching on.

He has had some adverts made up which without sugar coating are crap and are money in the bin. I felt that maybe going down the route of being cruel to be kind was the best way to go so I told him he needed to start at the beginning, define who he is going after, build some guarantees, develop a USP and start collecting peoples details. I couldn't in all conscience recommend him to spend money on advertising until he had the basics covered well.

He is very resistant to this again and cuts me off mid sentance as I am trying to explain things. It got to the point where I told him to shut up and listen lol.

This is pretty much one of my oldest mates who I grew up with so I think that it may be that he will never listen to me properly so I may need him to refer him somewhere else. I really want to help him make his business a success but I do not know what to do.

I don't want to refer him to someone who will charge him a fortune. I think if someone could do the basics like work on his usp, benefits, guarantees etc.. with him then I can take it from there and do the technical stuff and advertising with him.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what I should do?
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  • Profile picture of the author Killer Joe
    Perhaps if you just tell him that you'd like an affiliate commission for anything you sell off your website, and build and market a website selling only his stuff he may come around.

    That way you get paid for your efforts, he gets more sales, and you'll look like you knew what you were talking about all along...

    What could go wrong...

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  • Profile picture of the author Paul Myers
    "This is what I do. I'm trying to help you, and I'm doing it free. You seem to think my skills are worth what I'm charging, so you won't listen. I'm not going to spend my time and your money on something the data says won't work.

    "I know someone who will be happy to take your ideas and your money. You'll be happy knowing that he's doing what you want. It's not going to bring in customers, but that seems secondary to being in charge.

    "Here's his email and phone number."


    Relationships that start as business and develop into friendships can end up working even better in the business end of things. If they start as friendships and develop into business, there are all sorts of potential problems just waiting to screw up both.

    This is especially true of people who've seen you with the lampshade on your head at a party. They like you, but they don't respect you as a businessperson. (This is why family so often has problems treating your business ideas seriously, by the way...)


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    • Profile picture of the author KenJ
      I had exactly this situation last year with my snooker partner. The only way to get things working for his business was to demonstrate for a few months that his way was not going to work.

      Then I asked for 6 months to do things my way - after all, what did he have to lose? He allowed this and of course he started getting visitors and sales.

      Now he is trying to pay me. I've just asked for hosting and registration costs for now.
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      • Profile picture of the author GuerrillaIM
        Originally Posted by Killer Joe View Post

        Perhaps if you just tell him that you'd like an affiliate commission for anything you sell off your website, and build and market a website selling only his stuff he may come around.
        I offered to sell his items if he drop shipped them. He isn't familiar with the concept so I had to explain it. I asked him for a price list, will see if anything comes of it but I think he is worried that I will end up in direct competition with him.

        Originally Posted by Jason Moffatt View Post

        Losing proposition dude. I'd can it unless you enjoy working for free and potentially ruining your friendship.
        Yeah, he is trying to pay me but taking money from him seems wrong as he is more like family to me. I do want to get something sorted for him as I don't want him to go somewhere else and get ripped off. He paid £4k for a joomla site without telling me and the person took 3 months to finish it. I don't want anything like that to happen to him with a marketing company.

        Originally Posted by Paul Myers View Post

        This is especially true of people who've seen you with the lampshade on your head at a party
        I think this is spot on (and made me laugh). I don't talk shop with my old friends, if we meet up its to drink beer and get stupid.

        Originally Posted by kenj View Post

        I had exactly this situation last year with my snooker partner. The only way to get things working for his business was to demonstrate for a few months that his way was not going to work.

        Then I asked for 6 months to do things my way - after all, what did he have to lose? He allowed this and of course he started getting visitors and sales.

        Now he is trying to pay me. I've just asked for hosting and registration costs for now.
        I think if I could kick him out of his business for 3 months and implement a nice system he would double his profits easily. He has talked about me taking a percentage of profits etc.. but I don't feel comfortable with this, I'll just be happy if he is making money and doing well.
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  • Profile picture of the author TristanPerry
    You just have to be honest. Ask him if he wants your free help (since this is what you do for a living, I assume), or if he wants you to find him a paid-for business consultant - in a nice/diplomatic way, of course.
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