Extremely Limited Offers Section

[waihon]

Allen, I believe it's a good idea.

I also like other members' ideas such as:

* Higher barrier to entry
* Fixed number of days, e.g. 5 days
* Last in first out (oldest entries appear at the top and then float off)

Just do it, please.

[Mark Hess]

If you've never listed a WSO, you don't have a dog in this fight. Also, A higher price to list won't do anything for the quality of products being listed it will just mean the person that posts the WSO has xxx money to throw around.

I hope the new sub forum will have higher standards to list a WSO not just a higher price. Things like you must have XXX amount of thanks, XXX amount of posts, etc...

Hopefully, we can resolve some of the guru garbage effect that's happening now and ruining the WSO forum.

Right now the only standard to listing a WSO is becoming a War Rom member.

[TimCastleman]

Allen -

Would this apply to Limited Amount Offers as well. Like my latest WSO offering a laptop with a limit of 20 buyers - would that fall into the limited offer section or is it just a limit on time?

Tim

[Nicholas Ho]

My wallet will bleed badly if this happens =)

[MizzCindy]

Originally Posted by MarkH45

If you've never listed a WSO, you don't have a dog in this fight. Also, A higher price to list won't do anything for the quality of products being listed it will just mean the person that posts the WSO has xxx money to throw around.

I hope the new sub forum will have higher standards to list a WSO not just a higher price. Things like you must have XXX amount of thanks, XXX amount of posts, etc...

Hopefully, we can resolve some of the guru garbage effect that's happening now and ruining the WSO forum.

Right now the only standard to listing a WSO is becoming a War Rom member.

I agree with many of your points. There seems to be an uptick in the number of members who 'drive-by' post just so they can take advantage of the WSO area. I'm thrilled Allen is addressing that (and always has). But...

Saying I 'don't have a dog in this fight' if I haven't yet posted a WSO doesn't wash.

First, I'm a consumer, so anything that affects overall quality of what's available in the WSO area is important to me.

Second, during my time here, I've watched the WSO section and I'm taking it all in. I'm not expert by any means, but I'd like to think I know one or two things about marketing at this point.

Just because I chose to create my own sites first to build my business and didn't jump right in and start selling things immediately here doesn't preclude my from expressing my opinions/observations.

I am currently working on my first WSO. Since these discussions will directly impact how/where/why I post that first WSO, I'm paying strict attention.

I love most of the points you made. I'm just not going to sit on the sidelines and be quiet based on not having my WSO up yet.

Cindy

[Jill Carpenter]

LOL, I just realized that admin does not get "war room member" title under his name.

Just a thought, can we add a subforum "I need a review" that is only available to war room members?

I enjoy being a guinea pig sometimes and to know where to look to try things in particular would be helpful. It would be nice to know as well if I wanted to submit something to get reviewed it would be reviewed by someone who takes their membership here seriously.

Just a thought.

[Jesus Perez]

I got tired of posting a WSO and watching it fly off the main page within 1 day. I feel this will help fragment the "really" good limited offers from the good, repeating offers we see all the time while allowing longer time on page 1.

But...as the best say...only testing can answer the question.

[Raydal]

Yes, I think this would separate the WSO offers from the Warrior Special Stores.

-Ray Edwards

[Mark Hess]

Originally Posted by MizzCindy

Saying I 'don't have a dog in this fight' if I haven't yet posted a WSO doesn't wash.

The decisions that are being made now will greatly impact the success of your WSO. I was just trying to say that those of us who have listed WSO's know of the current problems better than those who have never listed a WSO.

The amount of views greatly impacts your total number of sales and when you can't get those views because the WSO forum is moving so fast it hurts everyone. (including the buyers) Sure, everyone knows about the search function but how many people actually use it? Some people don't search, they browse.

I can't tell you how many times I went into the WSO forum looking for something specific and came out purchasing 2-3 courses from other warriors just from browsing the front page.

[MizzCindy]

Originally Posted by MarkH45

The decisions that are being made now will greatly impact the success of your WSO. I was just trying to say that those of us who have listed WSO's know of the current problems better than those who have never listed a WSO.

The amount of views greatly impacts your total number of sales and when you can't get those views because the WSO forum is moving so fast it hurts everyone. (including the buyers) Sure, everyone knows about the search function but how many people actually use it? Some people don't search, they browse.

I can't tell you how many times I went into the WSO forum looking for something specific and came out purchasing 2-3 courses from other warriors just from browsing the front page.

I can get on board with that.

Cindy

[Jermaine Tabor]

It would work well I think. Thumbs up for this new section.

[abhi1]

I second what MarkH45 pointed out. A higher price for listing is pretty much OKEY but then if you can find a way to have better quality, that would be best.

[Rod Cortez]

I think this is an idea with great potential. I disagree with a significantly higher price. This has become more of a global community and for some of the members here a higher price might leave them out. Remember, not everyone pays in US dollars here.

RoD

[Jesus Perez]

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

I think this is an idea with great potential. I disagree with a significantly higher price. This has become more of a global community and for some of the members here a higher price might leave them out. Remember, not everyone pays in US dollars here.

RoD

I suspect the sheer visibility this forum will receive will trump any extra fees and make it a very valuable investment.

Some people will have their eyes glued to the ELOS section for the next great deal.

[Rod Cortez]

Originally Posted by BlueSquares

I suspect the sheer visibility this forum will receive will trump any extra fees and make it a very valuable investment.

Some people will have their eyes glued to the ELOS section for the next great deal.

I suspect the same thing and I agree with you on that point; though we'll never truly know until it goes live. I think $25 - 40 would be a good base to start off with, then it could be adjusted from there based on market feedback. My point was that something like $97 or more would alienate some people. I realize that it's a limited time offer, but you've still only got 1 to 5 day window.

RoD

[Jesus Perez]

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

I agree with you on that point, though we'll never truly know until it goes live. I think $25 - 40 would be a good base to start off with. My point was that something like $97 or more would alienate some people. I realize that it's a limited time offer, but you've still only got 1 to 5 day

I hear ya. I do think the higher the price, the more it will slow down the front page movement. And offer more value in return. So bring on the alienation!

I'd gladly pay $97 if my front page listing remains there for 3-5 days.

[John Rogers]

YouTube - Do it! Do it! Do it!

[Steven Carl Kelly]

[Rod Cortez]

Originally Posted by BlueSquares

I hear ya. I do think the higher the price, the more it will slow down the front page movement. And offer more value in return. So bring on the alienation!

I'd gladly pay $97 if my front page listing remains there for 3-5 days.

So would I. I'm thinking about friends like my buddy Samir who barely makes $100 us per week in his country but he's a programmer who has a lot to offer. He's been eyeing the WSO forum and I'm going to help him launch a couple things.

RoD

[milkyway]

Allen,

I think it's a great idea. Some thoughts...

• I,too, liked Martin Avis' suggestion:
  

  Originally Posted by Martin.Avis

  Here is a thought: rather than complicate it by allowing different length offers all jumbled together, make them all a standard length (say 5 days) and put new listings at the bottom so they would rise to the top as they age. Then as each listing reaches its 5 day limit, it would float off the top.

  Like other people have pointed out, with the time differences a 1-day offer doesn't make much sense to me.

• Also, could we have some form of a timer prominently displayed ("this offer will last for another 6 hours 23 minutes"...)? Would save me a lot of hassles in figuring out time differences between my place, Eastern Time, Pacific whatever and the time on the moon.

• Another cool feature, besides an advance notification board, would be a subscription to certain keywords and/or sellers, as available for the WSO section.

• To cut down on the use of non-standard characters in WSO titles (yes, they make the WSO section extremely annyoing and hard to read, IMHO) would be the following rule: up to three of the standard punction marks (dots, exclamation marks, brackets, commas, questions marks, dashes, semicolons, colons) are free in a WSO title. E.g. a comma and two exclamation marks. Or two brackets and a question mark. Every other non-standard character costs ten bucks each. Should reduce the clutter pretty quickly...

A last thought, although I'm not sure if it's really a good idea -- it might end up even worse than the WSO section now...: A separate section for recruiting affiliates. The WSO section as it is is cool for sellers in the IM market who are looking for affiliates. However, if I had the coolest product on deep-sea fish breeding and were looking for affiliates, a WSO for that product probably wouldn't get me much attention. If I could offer that in a separate section where active affiliates would search for opportunities, though...

Just a thought -- might be complete nonsense.

Anyway, I like your idea!

milkyway

[J Elizabeth Dize]

Wonderful idea -- it seems like everyone is pretty excited about it. It definitely gets the marketing blood boiling thinking of the great offers that will be available, and that we can make available

[Lance K]

Hey Rod,

Half the caffine should eliminate the double posts.

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

I agree with you on that point, though we'll never truly know until it goes live. I think $25 - 40 would be a good base to start off with. My point was that something like $97 or more would alienate some people. I realize that it's a limited time offer, but you've still only got 1 to 5 day

Originally Posted by Rod Cortez

I suspect the same thing and I agree with you on that point; though we'll never truly know until it goes live. I think $25 - 40 would be a good base to start off with, then it could be adjusted from there based on market feedback. My point was that something like $97 or more would alienate some people. I realize that it's a limited time offer, but you've still only got 1 to 5 day window.

RoD

[Rod Cortez]

Too late Lance, I've already doubled my caffeine intake, and it's not even noon yet here in Cali.

[George Wright]

Hi,

You can always PM "selected" members with a review requese. Also, you can post a request for a review and ask only WR members "apply."

George Wright

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

LOL, I just realized that admin does not get "war room member" title under his name.

Just a thought, can we add a subforum "I need a review" that is only available to war room members?

I enjoy being a guinea pig sometimes and to know where to look to try things in particular would be helpful. It would be nice to know as well if I wanted to submit something to get reviewed it would be reviewed by someone who takes their membership here seriously.

Just a thought.

[Charles Washington]

Originally Posted by BlueSquares

I got tired of posting a WSO and watching it fly off the main page within 1 day. I feel this will help fragment the "really" good limited offers from the good, repeating offers we see all the time while allowing longer time on page 1.

But...as the best say...only testing can answer the question.

The only problem I see, would be the classic mistake of offering too many choices. Why do mini sites and squeeze pages work so well? There is only one place for the customer to go, your order page or your list.

Offering too many sub forums might confuse a lot of buyers and cause them to go elsewhere.

What good would it do if your WSO remained on top of a dead forum for three days?

We need to look at this from a consumer standpoint, not a marketer standpoint. Too many choices could potentially drive the consumer away.

[MizzCindy]

Originally Posted by Martin.Avis

...Here is a thought: rather than complicate it by allowing different length offers all jumbled together, make them all a standard length (say 5 days) and put new listings at the bottom so they would rise to the top as they age. Then as each listing reaches its 5 day limit, it would float off the top...

I like this idea!

One thing may be a challenge with it, though. If the new, more exclusive section becomes really popular, some offers may never make it to the front page (ie if there are more 5 day old offers than there are number of displayed posts on each page). Or they may only be there but briefly.

Allen could always increase the number of posts visible, but some offers may still not be anywhere near the top and then they may disappear in a large group. Or, maybe he could raise the price of admission to decrease the number of posts. That may make it out of reach for some members though.

Just brainstorming a bit. Any thoughts?

Cindy

[Charles Washington]

Originally Posted by MizzCindy

I like this idea!

One thing may be a challenge with it, though. If the new, more exclusive section becomes really popular, some offers may never make it to the front page (ie if there are more 5 day old offers than there are number of displayed posts on each page). Or they may only be there but briefly.

Allen could always increase the number of posts visible, but some offers may still not be anywhere near the top and then they may disappear in a large group. Or, maybe he could raise the price of admission to decrease the number of posts. That may make it out of reach for some members though.

Just brainstorming a bit. Any thoughts?

Cindy

This is my point above. Look how a group of marketers has taken a simple idea and turned it into a confusing concept like that. If it is going to be that confusing for the sellers, how confusing is it going t obe for the people looking for products/services?

For 10 years, people have become accustom to going to the WSO forum to look for products and services. Now, they go to the WSO forum and have to figure out if they should look in the classified section, the WSO section, the website for sale section, or the Warrior for hire section. Now we want to add even more forums to the WSO forum.

We are going to cause buyers to become paralyzed by the choices. And for sellers, what if you post your product/service in the "ELO" subforum, but buyers only go to the main WSO forum? Or what if you put an ad in the main WSO forum, but buyers only go to the "ELO" forum. Or, what if they go to your offer and want to buy, but they do a little more browsing only to get lost in one of the other subforums and forgetting where they saw your offer?

See how bad this is going to get for the consumer?

[Bill Farnham]

Originally Posted by MizzCindy

That may make it out of reach for some members though.

Just brainstorming a bit. Any thoughts?

Cindy

Taking everything down to the lowest common denominator is not always necessary. If some can, and some can't well, that would just be a reflection of real world dynamics.

Either way, it will be interesting to see how this all unfolds.

KJ

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery

For 10 years, people have become accustom to going to the WSO forum to look for products and services. Now, they go to the WSO forum and have to figure out if they should look in the classified section, the WSO section, the website for sale section, or the Warrior for hire section.

And for sellers, what if you post your product/service in the "ELO" subforum, but buyers only go to the main WSO forum? Or what if you put an ad in the main WSO forum, but buyers only go to the "ELO" forum.

That's why establishing yourself as a value providing member of the Warrior Forum and your ability to write compelling, laser targeted sig files is more important with every passing day. (<---without spamming threads for the sole purpose of getting your sig file seen)

On a side note...

It would be interesting to see where the most viewed WSOs get their traffic.

Are they direct clicks from within the WSO section? Sig file clicks? Clicks from other Warriors mentioning someone's WSO in a related thread in the main forum? Clicks from links in a broadcast to email lists? Something else?

[Alican Yenidogan]

You push very hard sometimes I still insist on a member limited/download limited section.. It is not always about the time period of the offer, it can also be the quantity..

Originally Posted by Lance K

That's why establishing yourself as a value providing member of the Warrior Forum and your ability to write compelling, laser targeted sig files is more important with every passing day. (<---without spamming threads for the sole purpose of getting your sig file seen)

On a side note...

It would be interesting to see where the most viewed WSOs get their traffic.

Are they direct clicks from within the WSO section? Sig file clicks? Clicks from other Warriors mentioning someone's WSO in a related thread in the main forum? Clicks from links in a broadcast to email lists? Something else?

[George Wright]

Well, You always get a top of the page spot on eBay at the ending time of your auction or BIN offer. It can be done.

George Wright

Originally Posted by MizzCindy

I like this idea!

One thing may be a challenge with it, though. If the new, more exclusive section becomes really popular, some offers may never make it to the front page (ie if there are more 5 day old offers than there are number of displayed posts on each page). Or they may only be there but briefly.

Allen could always increase the number of posts visible, but some offers may still not be anywhere near the top and then they may disappear in a large group. Or, maybe he could raise the price of admission to decrease the number of posts. That may make it out of reach for some members though.

Just brainstorming a bit. Any thoughts?

Cindy

[George Wright]

There is a very specific and targeted place where I got most my clicks from.

It's..... Oh, sorry it's the subject of my next WSO.

George Wright

Originally Posted by Lance K

That's why establishing yourself as a value providing member of the Warrior Forum and your ability to write compelling, laser targeted sig files is more important with every passing day. (<---without spamming threads for the sole purpose of getting your sig file seen)

On a side note...

It would be interesting to see where the most viewed WSOs get their traffic.

Are they direct clicks from within the WSO section? Sig file clicks? Clicks from other Warriors mentioning someone's WSO in a related thread in the main forum? Clicks from links in a broadcast to email lists? Something else?

[Andyhenry]

I love it. I'd love to see a combination of some points raised too:

1 - I love Martins 'float to the top' idea.

2 - Like Johns 'moderator approved' idea too - there's way too much crap getting thrown up as special to warriors which is just created solely to try and sell in the forum.

3 - Higher price sounds good too - for the same reason, if this literally just had like we used to have in the WSO section, where you knew everything offered was worth looking at, it would make me want to see what was there in case I missed a great offer. If you're running ads pointing people to that section, a higher price is warranted anyway.

4 - I agree about using one timeframe of 5 days too - 1 day isn't enough for people in different time-zones to see something.

I like the idea and my only concern with it would be that it didn't just become another wso section overflowing with very un-special special offers.

If you can do it in a way that is manageable for you - go for it.

And Kudos for address our wishes and even contemplating this.

Andy

[kf]

And to expand on this, listings could show time left ... 60 minutes, v. sunday, 5 pm est

And perhaps another page from ebay and let people 'watch' the listing - and they'll receive notice that the listing is about to expire.

One question though - does the offer stay the same in the final hours as when it was first posted? IOW, will sellers be inclined to pile on bonus or six to increase final hour sales, and buyers conditioned to wait for the final hour to see what else might be added?

~ Kate

Originally Posted by Martin.Avis

Sounds like an excellent idea to me.

Here is a thought: rather than complicate it by allowing different length offers all jumbled together, make them all a standard length (say 5 days) and put new listings at the bottom so they would rise to the top as they age. Then as each listing reaches its 5 day limit, it would float off the top.

That way the higher listings would have the greatest urgency.

I also agree that banning the use of non-standard characters in the main WSO forum would make that place a lot eaier to use.

Martin

[Charles Washington]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

I love it. I'd love to see a combination of some points raised too:

3 - Higher price sounds good too - for the same reason, if this literally just had like we used to have in the WSO section, where you knew everything offered was worth looking at, it would make me want to see what was there in case I missed a great offer. If you're running ads pointing people to that section, a higher price is warranted anyway.

Andy

I see a lot of Senior warriors wishing the price for posting a WSO would go up. I have seen a real emergence of class warfare here on Warrior Forum over the past couple of months. There have been a few threads and posts bashing newbies in the general forum.

I dont get the high price listing. If some one lists a WSO and bumps it 4 times, they just spent $100. Why is that not enough for the senior members? Raising the price is just a way to eliminate marketers with a lower marketing budget, and reduces the number of WSO's for the more senior warriors.

That is a great way to solidify the "in crowd" mentality that is trying to rear its head in the WF. Just because some one has a smaller marketing budget doesnt mean their product is in anyway inferior to marketers with a higher budget.

I dont care what changes are made, I am just voicing the opposition so we contemplate all sides to an argument.

[Andyhenry]

Originally Posted by Charles Montgomery

I see a lot of Senior warriors wishing the price for posting a WSO would go up. I have seen a real emergence of class warfare here on Warrior Forum over the past couple of months. There have been a few threads and posts bashing newbies in the general forum.

I dont get the high price listing. If some one lists a WSO and bumps it 4 times, they just spent $100. Why is that not enough for the senior members? Raising the price is just a way to eliminate marketers with a lower marketing budget, and reduces the number of WSO's for the more senior warriors.

That is a great way to solidify the "in crowd" mentality that is trying to rear its head in the WF. Just because some one has a smaller marketing budget doesnt mean their product is in anyway inferior to marketers with a higher budget.

I dont care what changes are made, I am just voicing the opposition so we contemplate all sides to an argument.

Ok - I'll bite.

I haven't noticed an "in crowd" or "class warfare" here, the comments I 'think' you're referring to are related to avoiding people that have been advised to come here and spam the forum with wsos, with affiliate links, with sig file links etc...

If you're seeing "senior warriors" doing it - it's probably just because they've been around long enough to see the most changes in the forum.

When some of us joined - the forum was almost secret and people would run around trying to find out what product to buy to find the forum and get access. The WSO section was awesome and there was about 1 offer a day, but you really paid attention to them and they were all top notch.

There are now so many members that have joined in the last couple of years having come from advice to treat it like a barrel of fish to shoot, there are hundreds of people taking old information and trying to sell it to warriors and special secret info.

The higher pricing suggestions are nothing to do with trying to price out newbies, they're actually the opposite - they're predicated on all of us wanting everyone to do better. If you have to think twice about the price, you're going to make damn sure that your product and offer are good.

It's the same rational behind making it $20 from when it was free.

More and more people come online and find this forum and it's the nature of the beast that Allen's looking for how to grow the forum to accommodate these changes.

We all want this forum to remain as good as it can. You think I or anyone else wants to pay $100 just to give people a special deal on our stuff?

The only WSO I'm running right now is not even to make me any money, so not only am I not looking to get my $20, but I'm not even keeping any of the money it makes, the price is not my focus. I know that doesn't apply to most WSOs but it makes my point even more, it's not about the price - the price is just one parameter which Allen has direct control over and that has proven in the past to help improve the signal to noise ratio - in the same way as the recent move to have people join the War Room - the War Room is like the normal forum used to be, but in some ways even better.

The exclusivity is not aimed at persecuting people but giving them a reason to raise their game and be more than average in their business efforts.

Everyone here wants everyone else to be happy, learn and make friends and money - there is no real segregation amongst Warriors who have that attitude.

Andy

[Liz-K]

This is a great idea.
Is the new section going to be exclusive to war room members only?

[George Wright]

Originally Posted by Andyhenry

Ok - I'll bite.

I haven't noticed an "in crowd" or "class warfare" here, the comments I 'think' you're referring to are related to avoiding people that have been advised to come here and spam the forum with wsos, with affiliate links, with sig file links etc...Andy

(and the rest of your post, just didn't want to "" it all)

Andy,

I certainly understand where you are coming from and I do enjoy and learn from your posts on the WF. This is not exactly in disagreement with what you are saying but, just a word to say I feel the "pain" of those who feel like Charles does.

I cringe every time someone makes the statement to Allen he should "charge more" for WSOs and other things like limited offers etc.

Sometimes we forget, what is chump change to some of us is a lot to others of us.

I know in some respects the "charge more" crowd are just telling Allen that he sure gives a LOT for a LITTLE and he does and KUDOs to him for that.

Fortunately for some $20, $40, $97, $197 is no big deal, a drop in the bucked, nothing, nada. Good for you. I'm happy for you.

Fortunately for others Allen has the kindness to keep his prices in line with what most if not all can pay and he doesn't create an exclusive good ol boys club by pricing anyone out. This probably isn't the case but it would seem, that is, appear to some, that there are those who do not want a level playing field. Too bad, so far the WF levels the playing field. PPC can go through the ceiling, adsense can lose it's value, Article Marketing can get more and more difficult to do, but, the WF keeps a spot on the Internet where even a newbie or old strugler can keep on truckin, learn a few things, test the IM waters and have a place to mingle with the best business minds on the net, even though some of us are figuratively selling oranges on the corner (you might have to live in sunny CA to understand this one) and could care less about someday having an entire grocery store.

ALL The greatness is still here. The new not so great things and people come and go. It's always been that way since I joined in the 90s.

Thank you Allen Says and what ever you charge for the Limited Offer section, please just get it started. It's a great Idea.

George Wright

[Andyhenry]

Hi George,

Agreed. I did say raise the price, but I don't say it lightly or because I don't appreciate how much harder it is to get for some than others, literally from the perspective of what seems to work as far as addressing the downsides that we see.

As you know yourself, so much value comes through this forum that it's amazing really that anyone would feel they need anything more than this forum to be successful.

So, however Allen addresses it - my personal perspective is that many people come here and get bogged down by the amount of information and anything we can do to focus people on the good stuff and start turning a few hopefuls into success stories - the better.

It's difficult to show so many people where to get the best stuff when the places they have contain so much detracting material.

A 'special' offer forum is a great idea and even better the fewer things that are there to stand out from the crowd.

Many people focus a lot on the money and the price of things and the limitations such things pose, but it should really only be a very temporary problem as long as they can find the right information here and choose how they want to create their success.

Andy

[mywebwork]

I think it would be a great feature!

Bill

[Paul Myers]

Some thoughts in general...

I love the idea. Especially with Martin's suggested modification, if that's not a tough tech issue. That adds a lot.

To the people suggesting that a higher price point will keep out some folks, I have a thought: Trying NOT to keep folks out is why the WSO forum has so many crap offers. You complain about the problem, and then the solution. You want ridiculous stuff like moderator review of products or whatever before approving a WSO, as if the few people who qualify have the time to do it, and/or the expertise in ALL those fields.

To the gentleman who suggested that this is all getting too complicated... Discussions are messy. That doesn't mean the result of them must also be so. Brainstorming always yields a ton of ideas that don't get used. It's the gems that do that make it worthwhile.

Wait and see the finished product before you decide about the process.

Personal opinions, which may (obviously) be ignored at will:

Limit the people who can post ELOs, based on time as a member, and number of posts. That doesn't create the incentive to make a bunch of nonsense posts, since they'll all get deleted before any reasonable time frame can be met. That should be pointed out in the rules for that forum.

Suggested numbers: 3 months, 150 posts.

Yes, I know. I'm being elitist. Damned skippy I am. There should be some perqs that are restricted to people who contribute, and this isn't particularly onerous.

My REAL preference would be 6 months, 300 posts, and 30 thank you's from established members. The latter would be a pain to check, though.

Price it at $47 or more. If someone is good enough to be posting in a forum for serious offers, that's not an outrageous fee. Nothing keeping them out of the regular WSO forum if that's too much.

Should be hosted on your own domain, which is NOT "privacy protected." Increases the odds that you are dealing with the person you think you're dealing with.

That's enough for now. It's Friday evening. Things to see and people to do.


Paul

[jhongren]

I love the idea...this is win-win-win for all Warriors... =)

John

[Antony103]

im all for the idea, sounds great

[The IM Prodigy]

I think that this has a ton of potential, a wonderful idea.

[Shannon Herod]

When it comes to being an "elitist" or trying to keep the small people out I disagree. Here is why...

If you are posting an offer on this forum, a Marketing Forum, you should have the money to pay the higher fee, or you should not be posting an offer here. If you can not afford $97 in advertising you do not have the right to teach marketing to other business owners and marketers.

OK, OK, I here your next objection and I have an answer...

What about the new person who does not make American dollars that is trying to start out by providing a service? Well, Allen as already addressed that issue and I believe it is free. It is the Work For Hire sub forum.

That person needs to bust their butt and put the work in to earn the extra cash. It is as simple as that.


Shannon

[Bev Clement]

The higher pricing isn't about stopping newbies posting their offer, it is being practical and following the norm of many other sites.

If you sell on eBay, you have your standard price, and then you pay more for a featured listing, and the list goes on. The clue is you pay for these added features.

Why should a new area not charge more for the extra benefits a warrior is going to get?

[Paul Myers]

Shannon,

If you can not afford $97 in advertising you do not have the right to teach marketing to other business owners and marketers.

There are lots of things people offer in WSOs that aren't teaching anyone to market. Site design, content development, graphics, programming, etc. And these are the folks who are least likely to be any good at sales copy, generally speaking.

Combine weak copy with the confusion and chaos that WSO subject lines have become, and you're looking at lower than deserved returns on some very good products and services. That is one of the biggest reasons for my objection to the littering of subject lines with nonsense and garbage to distract people.


Paul

[MarkR]

I think this has legs. I like it, especially if it slows down the WSO section.

My only concern is the one-time use thing. Not being able to offer the same product/service again would make this only usable for pre-launches, and very limited offers (which is the intent I know) but they are far and few between in the WSO section. This is great, but may not slow down the WSO section much. Offering copywriting services or a specific ebook, etc. for example could only happen one the ELO section. e.g. What if your limited run is 100 sales and you only do 50, you're done running that ELO.

Also, some sort of automated email service / subscription deal would help exposure, because the 1 or 2 day offers will blow right by without much of a notice by many.

Give it a shot, what's the harm? Jump in!

[Kurt]

Originally Posted by Shannon Herod

When it comes to being an "elitist" or trying to keep the small people out I disagree. Here is why...

If you are posting an offer on this forum, a Marketing Forum, you should have the money to pay the higher fee, or you should not be posting an offer here. If you can not afford $97 in advertising you do not have the right to teach marketing to other business owners and marketers.

OK, OK, I here your next objection and I have an answer...

What about the new person who does not make American dollars that is trying to start out by providing a service? Well, Allen as already addressed that issue and I believe it is free. It is the Work For Hire sub forum.

That person needs to bust their butt and put the work in to earn the extra cash. It is as simple as that.


Shannon

Hi Shannon,

I disagree with a few of your points.

Not all WSOs of value are about making money. There's scripts that automate, graphics packages, info on specific parts of marketing that aren't all-inclusive, and more.

Also, it's possible someone is busting their butt and making money...But they have relatives in trouble, health bills, been hacked, etc.

While Allen deserves a lot of credit for WSOs, a good WSO also benefits this forum and its members. Good WSOs bring traffic and offer members deals and ideas they won't get anywhere else. A good WSO is a win/win for both sides.

[George Wright]

Originally Posted by Shannon Herod

If you are posting an offer on this forum, a Marketing Forum, you should have the money to pay the higher fee, or you should not be posting an offer here. If you can not afford $97 in advertising you do not have the right to teach marketing to other business owners and marketers.

That sounds reasonable, however, there are marketers who could come in here and laugh at that $97 and say, "Hey you should charge $997 and even more."

I'm not objecting to anything Allen would charge, $20, $47, $97 or whatever for the exposure we get here will be a bargain. I'm just saying "our" reasons for what we would like to be charged will all differ depending on our personal circumstances.

There are Warriors who don't make a dime on IM and can afford any price charged because they have other sources, from a credit card or Mom and Dad or a full time job. Being able to pay $100 has no relationship at all to the value of their product. This is where buyer smarts kicks in. Whether the Limited Offer section is $20 or $200 the price we pay may or may not have anything to do with the value of our product.

And what Paul said EDIT: And what Kurt said

Originally Posted by Shannon Herod

OK, OK, I here your next objection and I have an answer...

What about the new person who does not make American dollars that is trying to start out by providing a service? Well, Allen as already addressed that issue and I believe it is free. It is the Work For Hire sub forum.

That person needs to bust their butt and put the work in to earn the extra cash. It is as simple as that.
Shannon

Minor point here but the Warrior for hire section is a very reasonable $20.

George Wright