Old guy & total newbie - pointers, please ??

by smithnowt 36 replies
I am an almost retirement aged man with no extra money, barely able to live on what little I have - and with zero experience in selling and/or internet money-making.

I want to find something I can do using the internet that is pretty simple, doesn't have me going round in circles with all that social media stuff - and will somehow bring in several hundred every so often.
(I am not looking to go after millions here, just need to be able to keep a roof over my head !!)

I am not seeking advice as such, just pointers, please ??

I have been looking, and as an example see that there are a bazillion products on offer from Warrior+; all are presented as exciting & wonderful too, BUT:
I have already bought some stuff, and haven't found any that fit my situation.
(Being careful to ONLY buy stuff that comes with a good refund policy too...)

I think it is silly and a waste of time & energy to buy things over & over just to see they are not suitable & then ask for refunds because of that.
(It also seems like that would not be what sellers want users to do either ??)

Please help point me to something that will help me without my having to buy more & more stuff that I cannot use.

Thanks for any helpful replies !!
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    Firstly, please don't think it's going to be easy or that you will even succeed... There are too many people with vested interests who proclaim that MMO is easy peasy and anyone can do it, NOT SO...
    Just wanted to be honest with you because too many people fall into the trap and end up spending their last penny on "get rich quick" schemes...

    Now, if i had to punt a free course that is totally legit it's Affilorama:
    https://www.affilorama.com/
    Good Luck...
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    • Profile picture of the author smithnowt
      Thanks for replying so openly & candidly.
      Given that I've lived & worked alot since I was just a kid - and arrived at my age with next to nothing to show for all my efforts - yes, it is tru that NOTHING comes easy or with any definite success.
      That's OK.
      In years past I looked into many money making ideas before the internet & all of them had in common that a rather large investment was the starting point - for example - renting storage units.
      A great idea, as long as one can buy the land & parts, build the things & keep them up.
      Not for me - there was not even any way to borrow such a large chunk to start with - but if I could have it might have been a decent income for me.

      My thinking on this type of thing is that since most sellers are hawking get rich schemes with HUGE numbers to draw in the unwary to spend & fail, that there MUST also be much smaller, less desirable things that are little known & seldom seen just because they do not attract those who desire the mansion, big boats & fancy cars.

      If this takes some time & effort to get & do - great - work does not scare me off - so long as it is able to produce a reasonable result.

      As one who has been terribly ill & is mostly house-bound, my options are severely limited in terms of reach - so I'm hoping for some real pointers from others who may have found good stuff that was just not as profitable as they wanted - but may be perfect for someone with meager needs.

      Thanks.
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    • Profile picture of the author smithnowt
      Thanks for replying.
      My history & education until I hit my 40's is all in work types that are either mechanically oriented or plain old extinct; from my 40's on I worked as a PC tech - very busy field then, but dead or dying now.
      Illness took over long enough ago that by now my greatest skill has become that I've learned to live on next to nothing out of sheer necessity.

      I have spent months looking into the questions recommended above & really have reached a point of confusion in a state of info overload.

      Most often recommended in what I've seen are to make a site with either a WP blog and/or affiliate marketing - and/or have it aimed at reviewing stuff.

      I did go ahead & got a domain & site with WP installed - and here I've stopped pending when I am able to pin down what exactly I need to do next...?

      An example of what has confused me:
      One 'expert' says that domain name & suffix do not matter; another says it is critically important - and both these guys claim to know their stuff and having brought in millions with their amazing successes.

      I have a huge pile of info - much more than I can go through before I find myself totally broke - and lots of it that I have already gone into (and through) is contradictory as I said above.

      This is something that I either need to get some results with soon - or abandon altogether & hurry over to walmart to be the old guy smiling & greeting customers for a few hours a day...
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
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    Welcome smithnowt,

    There's a whole stack of information on the Warrior Forum already about how to make money online and how to make it sustainable.

    Given your experience with making money in the real world (non-virtually that is ), I'd say you probably already have a high density of knowledge in a specific field / niche / industry. Most of that knowledge would be rather valuable to those starting in those fields / niche / industries.

    With this assumption, we now transgress to the latter of what you can do with it online and some of the deeper questions are:

    - How do I monetise this knowledge
    - Where do I start
    - What's important now for me to make money online?
    - How do I make it sustainable over time

    I'd make some recommendations here, but self-research always has a greater influence. Feel free to open into the discussion more with what you've been working on (progress so far) and what you're working with (the aforementioned knowledge).
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  • Profile picture of the author Marcus W K Wong
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    Hi smithnowt,

    Looks like you're on a good track, it's just a matter of finding what works for you now.

    Here's some quick suggestions based on what you've told me so far as you've been a PC tech for the duration of your professional career. Don't treat them as gospel but do keep them for consideration.

    If you've branded the wordpress site as your personal authority site (this is going to sound counter-intuitive) = but consider selling / marketing less products. Only go for quality products that you've genuinely found value in and sell based on your value added experience. It's far better than quickly throwing up 100 wordpress sites with 100 slightly different reviews of the same product and affiliated link. It also ensures that you're building something sustainable and 'growing'.

    I'm not sure what you're affiliating or reviewing, but - given your PC tech background, have you considered building a Udemy course on basic computation skills and hyper target the course for a specific audience? Udemy courses are online courses composed of text, audio and/or video components. Really easy to make the courses and they don't take too dramatic of a cut of sales.

    Here's a couple of courses you could try making:

    - Computing 101 For Dummies
    - Building a PC From Scratch

    Would be two really simple examples and you could sell them for pretty cheap on Udemy. You've just got to make sure you're sending traffic to the course

    (and by traffic, I mean a targeted audience of a specific dynamic of your focus: demographic, age, industry, etc...). It's up to you how you want to send traffic to the courses, whether you're going down the route of paid ads, SEO with content on your website, or my personal favourite: local marketing (offline and online). There's nothing wrong with doing a little outreach to the local community, in fact I endorse that for most who are starting out and not able to connect to the next step of sustainability.

    At the end of the Udemy courses, give out the link to your website so that the 'learner' has the opportunity to contact you for your direct premium advice or consultancy.

    You'd be surprised, in the programming world, I've had fun trying to find some .NET developers with a very specific skill - that was a challenge already. I sure this applies to most if not - all industries.



    I did go ahead & got a domain & site with WP installed - and here I've stopped pending when I am able to pin down what exactly I need to do next...?

    I can totally relate to information overload. It happens to everyone so you're not alone there. I invested in a whiteboard and drew out my plan as a lifeline to when I started to get information overload. There's a point where you need to stop digging into information and come back to the surface of your business to see how it can be applied or if it's even relevant at times.


    An example of what has confused me:
    One 'expert' says that domain name & suffix do not matter; another says it is critically important - and both these guys claim to know their stuff and having brought in millions with their amazing successes.

    I have a huge pile of info - much more than I can go through before I find myself totally broke - and lots of it that I have already gone into (and through) is contradictory as I said above.

    lol it's always going to be the case

    If anything, they're both right and wrong.. it really depends on the other 90% of their marketing as a whole whether or not something like:

    walkingwithdogs.com/newyork/10-best-leashes
    or

    walkingwithdogs.wordpress.com/10-best-leashes-for-dog-owners-in-new-york

    Whilst SEO isn't my primary forte, I can say it does matter but it's also constantly changing. It's hard to keep up with the changes which is why I've always focused on good quality content. That's what the Google overlords want and always have wanted for Googlers.

    The next question here is: what are you trying to achieve that will bring you money? Are you trying to help the Internet Marketing world, are you providing a community with a dropship t-shirt business?

    Once you've identified who you're trying to help, it's a matter of finding them.

    Discovering who you're looking to help most and where your expertise lies. Then applying 'how to monetise it' after.
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  • Profile picture of the author amuro
    Originally Posted by smithnowt View Post

    I am an almost retirement aged man with no extra money, barely able to live on what little I have - and with zero experience in selling and/or internet money-making.

    I want to find something I can do using the internet that is pretty simple, doesn't have me going round in circles with all that social media stuff - and will somehow bring in several hundred every so often.
    (I am not looking to go after millions here, just need to be able to keep a roof over my head !!)

    I am not seeking advice as such, just pointers, please ??

    I have been looking, and as an example see that there are a bazillion products on offer from Warrior+; all are presented as exciting & wonderful too, BUT:
    I have already bought some stuff, and haven't found any that fit my situation.
    (Being careful to ONLY buy stuff that comes with a good refund policy too...)

    I think it is silly and a waste of time & energy to buy things over & over just to s
    Originally Posted by smithnowt View Post

    ee they are not suitable & then ask for refunds because of that.
    (It also seems like that would not be what sellers want users to do either ??)

    Please help point me to something that will help me without my having to buy more & more stuff that I cannot use.

    Thanks for any helpful replies !!
    Hi Smith,

    Sorry if I am blunt about what I am about to say.

    Before you start thinking about how to earn money from people, you need to start thinking about what you can GIVE to people.

    In order for them to give the money you want badly.

    People don't just buy from people.

    People buy from people they KNOW, LIKE and TRUST.

    Having been in this game for 7 years now, I realized that most people - including myself when I got started - only want to make money for themselves.

    Without considering what they can GIVE and how they can HELP one another -

    In order to earn the money they think they deserved.

    With that said, sales and marketing is not just about selling things.

    It is about connecting and understanding people before offering your products or services as solutions to their problems.

    In short, giving value to others as in treating them the way you like to be treated.

    There is one girl I know on this forum who is charging people $25 to set up an authority blog in their chosen niche.

    That is what I call giving value while earning at the same time.

    There is another guy who is giving away his free mini-course in the War Room section before offering his coaching service.

    That is also what I call giving value while earning at the same time.

    Hope this makes sense and answers your question.

    What I will suggest is try and get to know more like-minded people like yourself in the internet marketing community.

    Forums like here and blog commenting are the best ways for you to get started.

    You can also do classified ads or Facebook ads - if you have $5 to spare per day - to promote Amazon and Clickbank products.

    That was what I do when I got started.
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  • Profile picture of the author Connann
    Build an Email List around something you know, and it's also searched by people (just look at semrush and put keyword of the niche, see if it's at least more than 5000 volume) and has product to sell (see in clickbank, jvzoo).

    Give something valuable in exchange of the mail: even an audio of yourself explaining something important in that niche, or a pdf.

    Then build a list and market the products you found in markeplaces like clickbank, or jvzoo, while continuing giving infos.

    I suggest u jump in survival niche: if u are enough old you probably know something valuable to survive, and there are lot of products you may see and test or understand if they worth, that u can market to your list.

    You can also build your product (PDF, audio, video, or a membership), where u give that valuable infos.
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  • Profile picture of the author smithnowt
    Thanks for the replies folks.
    It is good to see some helpful thoughts arriving in reply & well appreciated by this old man.

    I will give these replies more attention tomorrow after recovering a bit from shoveling away the snow that blizzard Stella gifted us with.

    Between shoveling trips tonight I rested while wasting about an hour of my life listening to a 'life changing free webinar' made by a man who claimed to have made millions already.
    I wish I could have counted how many times the word 'dollars' was used in it - but I'm just not good at that.
    Ultimately (of course) it was just a hot air filled, long sales pitch aimed at folks who need money but do not wish to learn how to do internet stuff - yet another 'do it for you' thing for a mere $1000, but ACT NOW & we'll generously let you have it (indeed !!) for 1/2 price !!

    Yep. He's made a fortune already - but needs $500 chunks of chump change...meh.
    Better off with a shovel in me olde hands !!

    Personal twist to all this:
    I grew up with a very close view of salesmen & what always struck me most was their lack of any conscience & truthfulness and I even got to see with mine own eyes as 2 of them openly stole from their own mother - who was a living angel if ever there was one.

    My mantra as a young adult became the title of the Alan Parson's song=>
    'I don't care what you do, I wouldn't want to be like you.'...
    And as a result I am truthful, have a conscience and did not become like those horrid men.

    Now that I'm LOTS older:
    I will not relinquish my chosen values to make a buck either - have not 'till now and will not.

    When I look at all the hustles I am seeing with their bloated claims I ask all the time how & why these sellers could have gotten such HUGE results as they claim and STILL be selling stuff - unless:
    Perhaps compulsive selling is such a powerful drive that they simply are unable to stop after making their gigantic fortunes ?!?

    Nah, I'm not buying that even if I did say it !!

    Best Wishes to ALL and Good Night.
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    Everyone's an expert at something. What do people always ask you about because they know you'll have the answer? Start a website about that or even a YouTube channel (which is easy).

    And then don't get sucked into every offer that comes by. That leads people nowhere except for buying the next offer that comes around. Pick a course and then stay on it until it's working for you. Don't abandon it too early. Keep working even though no money is coming in. It most likely will later.
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    If you want to earn money without a huge learning curve - without buying a bunch of 'make money online' products....may I suggest....

    Sign up on freelance sites such as Upwork or Freelancer - fill out the profile in as detailed a manner as possible, highlight work experience, world experience, maturity, etc. (maturity counts a lot on those freelance sites - it means deadlines kept, work completed, etc to buyers).

    Spend some time with Mr Google - reading some of the great free blogs by freelance writers...loads of info there that doesn't cost a cent and will get you started. There are also several very inexpensive and very good ebooks on Amazon Kindle that will help (if you don't have kindle reader there's a free app so you can read on your computer.

    Start bidding on work by submitting individually written bids - and make submitting bids your JOB. You can write fairly well - and if you submit 50-100 bids a day on job offers you will have paying work within 2-3 weeks.

    It is work - you have to spend time doing it - people can occasionally be frustrating to work with but many are super nice and generous.

    You can transition that into writing for yourself - producing kindle books that focus on your personal experience in various fields or fiction from your imagination.

    Offering a service is the quickest way to earning some income. You won't make millions - but when I first started freelancing I had as much work as I could handle within 2 weeks and was earning into four figures the first month. In less than a year, I had left the freelance sites and was working directly with clients for twice the pay.

    I think it's a perfect path for a retired person - you can decide how much you want to work - and work enough to earn the extra money you need. Very flexible.
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  • Profile picture of the author GordonJ
    Originally Posted by smithnowt View Post

    I am an almost retirement aged man with no extra money, barely able to live on what little I have - and with zero experience in selling and/or internet money-making.

    I want to find something I can do using the internet that is pretty simple, doesn't have me going round in circles with all that social media stuff - and will somehow bring in several hundred every so often.
    (I am not looking to go after millions here, just need to be able to keep a roof over my head !!)

    I am not seeking advice as such, just pointers, please ??

    I have been looking, and as an example see that there are a bazillion products on offer from Warrior+; all are presented as exciting & wonderful too, BUT:
    I have already bought some stuff, and haven't found any that fit my situation.
    (Being careful to ONLY buy stuff that comes with a good refund policy too...)

    I think it is silly and a waste of time & energy to buy things over & over just to see they are not suitable & then ask for refunds because of that.
    (It also seems like that would not be what sellers want users to do either ??)

    Please help point me to something that will help me without my having to buy more & more stuff that I cannot use.

    Thanks for any helpful replies !!
    No affiliation:
    https://realwaystoearnmoneyonline.co...-paid-experts/

    Look over the site. Maybe you could answer questions about your illness to those recently diagnosed (for example) on what to expect. Or find an idea or two there.

    GordonJ
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    Here's a simple way to start:

    I did go ahead & got a domain & site with WP installed
    Setup one landing page. On this page put some presell info. for an affiliate product (provided affiliate tools are your friend) that visitors to this forum may need, like web hosting, autoresponders, analytics, etc. Something that doesn't require you to pretend to be an "expert."

    Setup your landing page and put a link to it in your signature. Be sure to read the rules on signatures first.

    You seem like the kind of guy who will be asking questions and participating in discussions. You will get some clicks to your page and probably about 30% will click-through to your affiliate site.

    You certainly won't get rich but you will have your hook in the water.

    Be sure to put some good analytics on your site so you can see what's going on. It's a whole lot easier to keep going if you are at least getting a little action.

    Analytics I use:

    http://clicky.com

    https://www.smartlook.com

    They both offer free options.

    Have Fun!

    Brent
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    • Profile picture of the author celente
      Originally Posted by Brent Stangel View Post

      Here's a simple way to start:



      Setup one landing page. On this page put some presell info. for an affiliate product (provided affiliate tools are your friend) that visitors to this forum may need, like web hosting, autoresponders, analytics, etc. Something that doesn't require you to pretend to be an "expert."

      Setup your landing page and put a link to it in your signature. Be sure to read the rules on signatures first.

      You seem like the kind of guy who will be asking questions and participating in discussions. You will get some clicks to your page and probably about 30% will click-through to your affiliate site.

      You certainly won't get rich but you will have your hook in the water.

      Be sure to put some good analytics on your site so you can see what's going on. It's a whole lot easier to keep going if you are at least getting a little action.

      Analytics I use:

      http://clicky.com

      https://www.smartlook.com

      They both offer free options.

      Have Fun!

      Brent

      Clicky is very good for new promotions too when you upgrade.

      The secret most people do not know is that you need to track and tweak stuff all the time.

      Most marketers, just do one thing, it fails and then they leave it and quit.

      Most of my most successful campaings have always failed at the start, then you tweak and test, and it make huge profits as you learn what people want. that is the key.

      Never give up.
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