I've Tried Everything I Know; Got Any Ideas?

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First of all, my kudos to all of the forum members who help others here. I'm amazed by the generosity shown.

Here's my situation: Last year I purchased an 18-year-old domain that is relevant to a Website I had already created. It is getting the SE traffic at https://middleage.org/definition/ and is getting about 2,300 visitors a month. Of course, the "definition of middle age" is not a "buying" search, but obviously everybody buys something.

According to Google Analytics, 76.5% of the visitors are under "middle age" (45), so I have no idea why they are searching this term. I put up a short survey to find out why people were coming to the site, and even offered a $50 coupon for my online store, and didn't get one survey completed.

I have tried about 7 offers in the past 3 months, all for digital products, and have not made one sale. Here's one I ran in January, hoping to catch people with New Year's resolutions: https://middleage.org/new-year-special/ A great offer, IMHO, with 12 courses, all with videos and audios. Not one sale.

Here are some ads I ran recently: https://middleage.org/ads4wf/ I even had them rotate so that I could see which ad pulled the best. I only got 1 click, no sale, so I am currently testing variations on that ad, but with no clicks so far.

I have more than 300 digital products in my online store, most of which are for things like weightloss, fitness, goal setting, etc., plus some IM stuff. My long-term goal is to build a list for the main site, but right now, I really need to generate some income, and with 2,000 plus visits a month, I should be able to sell something.

I've been doing IM for more that 20 years, but this one has me stumped. I would be most appreciative of any insightful suggestions.

Thanks in advance!
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    If you've been doing IM for more than twenty years, you understand the critical importance of focusing your efforts on gaining an audience of people targeted to what you have to offer.

    An extremely small list of interested and engaged followers in a small niche is infinitely better than all the traffic in the world made up of people not ready to buy anything and who are marketed to because someone had access to their email address.

    Personally, I would not give any more effort to this source of traffic and spend your time on gathering an audience of niche buyers.

    I'm sure this is not what you wanted to hear . . . but in all honesty, I wouldn't waste another minute on this activity. You've already proven the audience and their un-willingness to buy. Move on to something that has some potential.

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    • Profile picture of the author KnowOneKnows
      (Hopefully this goes to "Steve"; I am a total noob in the forum and how it works.)

      Thanks for your valuable feedback. )

      My original idea was exactly to build a list, and which is why I spent a year building my site. Unfortunately after being up for 3 months, I only had 10 subscribers. ( The main reason for that was low traffic, as I thought I was getting traffic from a link on my SE page, but a heatmap showed me I was wrong.

      Regarding "...who are marketed to because someone had access to their email address.", I would never waste my time on bulk emailing; all I am trying to do with this is to generate some income, although I'd also like to get some traffic to my main site.

      So, thanks again. You have helped me to get back to my main focus.

      BTW, would I be pushing my luck to ask you to take a look at my main site at middleage.org? ) I'm working on some intro videos for all pages of the site, but, other than that, I think it's ready to fly.

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  • Profile picture of the author DWolfe
    First off the site design is nice !

    Now for a suggestion
    I went from your home page, to you store page, only to read click on the category to see pictures of what is for sale. You will loose customers because they have to jump thru to many hoopes. You may want to try a side bar with products for sale, which match with each topic.

    Another thing, how do you sign up for your site for future updates or emails ? Their is nothing that stands out to join up for future updates.

    Just added the Newsletter page link was not working when clicking on the link.
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  • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
    Originally Posted by KnowOneKnows View Post

    It is getting the SE traffic and is getting about 2,300 visitors a month. Of course, the "definition of middle age" is not a "buying" search, but obviously everybody buys something.
    According to Google Analytics, 76.5% of the visitors are under "middle age" (45), so I have no idea why they are searching this term. I put up a short survey to find out why people were coming to the site, and even offered a $50 coupon for my online store, and didn't get one survey completed.
    What keywords are your visitors using to find the site? That would give you some idea of their expectations.

    I suspect that most people looking for a self-improvement course or business opportunity aren't typing the term "middle age" into a search engine, regardless of how old they are (or feel).
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    • Profile picture of the author KnowOneKnows
      Thanks for your feedback.

      People find the page with traffic through the search term "middle age definition" or similar. So I don't know what expectations they have. If I were to guess, I'd say some of them have some concern about their health (or that of another) will be expected to be in middle age, and therefore they want to know when it occurs and also perhaps what it entails.

      I agree that they're not "looking for" a self-improvement course, but I'd like to believe that in 2017 a good number of people have some interest therein, although that hasn't been borne out by my sales.

      Go figure... /
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  • Profile picture of the author salegurus
    I'll bet your problem lies with your keyword...
    "People find the page with traffic through the search term "middle age definition" or similar. "

    Slim chance those people are looking to buy anything...
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    • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
      Originally Posted by salegurus View Post

      I'll bet your problem lies with your keyword...
      "People find the page with traffic through the search term "middle age definition" or similar. "

      Slim chance those people are looking to buy anything...
      Elementary school kids.
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  • Profile picture of the author SARubin
    Hello my friend,

    I just visited your site (middleage. org) and I like it.


    You've already gotten some good advice, here on the forum, but so far no one's mentioned your page's copy.

    As a direct response copywriter, the weakest issue I see going on here is your page copy. (I guess when all you own is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail )


    Let me start by saying, I am your target market; 50 years old. Looking to extend my life. And more importantly, looking to maintain my health and well-being for a few more years.

    I arrived on your page and saw the header picture, along with the tagline "make the rest of your life... The best of your life" - and I thought "this could be worth looking at."


    So I scroll down a bit, and the first message I see says

    On this page youll learn about the step-by-step program Ive created, so you can
    have a great middle age and beyond, with
    ● Great Health ● More Happiness ● Better Relationships ● More Energy
    ● Easier Fitness ● Effective Weightloss ● Better Sleep ● Peace of Mind ● Sharper Thinking

    And I instantly hit a credibility speed bump, because now I'm thinking "wow, you've got a step-by-step program that's going to do all of those things? Will it also regrow my hair and make me 6 inches taller?" (At this point my BS filter is beginning to engage)

    I haven't clicked away yet, but now I'm looking for any excuse to completely disbelieve you, as just another site making hyped-up claims (while I'm still hoping I'll find a solution on this site, to make my life better). I'm assuming that's not the direction you want your visitors to go, right from the start?


    I continue reading your homepage copy, and it starts to get a little better (not powerful at all, but at least a bit more sincere) so I'm still with you, for the moment (but now I'm cautiously optimistic, still leaning towards skeptical).


    Then you start talking about how your program will cover all the aspects to make my life better. And you begin to tell me how you came about researching and developing your course. Unfortunately, you haven't yet told me who you are, and why I should believe you. (So we're really not getting over this "question of credibility" issue here)


    By this point, you've probably already lost most of your sales. And I'm not even half way down the page yet.


    On a side note; Your pictures are okay (I guess), but they're not really telling a story, on their own. So they should be treated as accessories, and not be more prominent than the sub headlines for each section of copy.


    Now, as painful as it was, I finally made it all the way to the bottom of your page. And what do I find? The best part of your entire page is down at the bottom!

    That last paragraph (the one that explains what your site is about, and what I'll find here) should be at the top of the page! Along with the pictures/links to all of your different offerings .

    It's the best part of the entire page. It tells me what your website is about... why it might be of benefit to me... and it gives me access / portals to everything that might be of interest to me.


    If I have any advice to give you, it would be this...

    Get rid of that first "hyped up" paragraph, altogether. Move that last paragraph to the top. And follow it immediately with the "portals of interest" section that allows me to find what I'm interested in, right away.

    Once you've done that... then, we can talk about the rest of your copy.

    Hope this gives you something to think about.

    All the best,
    SAR

    P.S. If you do make your page more credible / compelling, I may come back. Because I'm still in your target market. And I might be interested in what you're offering. (Unfortunately, right now your page is not selling me anything)
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Originally Posted by KnowOneKnows View Post

    People find the page with traffic through the search term "middle age definition" or similar. So I don't know what expectations they have.
    It's pretty simple. They're looking for a definition for the term "middle age".

    They land on your page, find a header that takes half the screen, and immediately get hit with an ad for what appears to anyone with a brain as just another Get Rich Quick scheme.

    If they have the patience to wade through your waffling, they find a definition so broad as to be totally useless. So they bounce.

    Looked at the ads page. Those ads might work well in one of those pulp biz-opp magazines, but not as the first thing one sees on a page about improving the quality of life once someone reaches the ripe old age of...25?

    I could go on, but it all adds up to this...

    You went into this with the idea of extracting money rather than actually serving people. No one in their right mind will believe you are the source they've been looking for in a dozen different areas of life. From the sound of your copy, and your conception of what "middle age" means, I'd peg you as someone maybe in their mid-thirties (and that only because you say you've been doing this for 20 years, otherwise I'd have said early twenties).

    Spend some time (days, not hours) on Quora or the AARP blogs and forums, and really listen to what middle-agers and up really think, not your current "infomercial before type", clumsy and clueless until they find the wonder widget.
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    • Profile picture of the author Frank Donovan
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post

      You went into this with the idea of extracting money rather than actually serving people.
      @ the OP; if you take only one thing from this whole exercise, let it be this. ^^

      Everything else is just detail.
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    • Profile picture of the author KnowOneKnows
      Thanks for taking your valuable time to provide me with your wise feedback. I do appreciate it, frank though it is.

      Perhaps I wasn't clear in my post. I have a main Website that I have created with the main purpose of helping people have better lives, and with the secondary goal of creating income for me through the main purpose. I spent more than a year creating this site, and it has more than 70,000 words, encapsulating the knowledge I have gathered over the past half-century, including the latest information.

      So, maybe "No one in their right mind will believe you are the source they've been looking for in a dozen different areas of life.", but I am indeed that person. I hope this doesn't sound arrogant, but university tests show my IQ being in the top 1% of the world. Take that factor and use it for over 50 years to study how to be happy and healthy, and you get..me! Read my content and see for yourself. Read the "about" page. I used to own 3 magazines about health and happiness, and more than 1/2 million readers thought I had something to say.

      That site is, however, going to take some time to be creating income for me. In the meantime, being transparent, I am struggling very hard financially.

      I am therefore trying to create income utilizing the free traffic I have to the definition page. While I know you believe that "You went into this with the idea of extracting money rather than actually serving people.", I have to deny this, as all of the products I have offered are good-quality digital products, for a low price and with a 60-day guarantee.

      I did create this site for "serving people"; the 70,000+ words on my site validate that. i have been told I should charge for it, but I won't because I want everyone to be able to access it.

      Regarding "From the sound of your copy, and your conception of what "middle age" means, I'd peg you as someone maybe in their mid-thirties (and that only because you say you've been doing this for 20 years, otherwise I'd have said early twenties)."
      1) The copy was written by the fellow I bought the domain name from, and he wrote it in hid mid-50's. I can't change it lest I damage my position in the SERP's.
      2) "Early twenties" is fairly close for my age, except it's off by a half-century. LOL!

      I appreciate your suggestions on going to AARP, but "middle age" is defined as being between 45-65, and since AARP is for retired folks, I am a bit skeptical that I'd get a good idea of what middle-aged people want. My experience has been that after even 55 or so, many people give up altogether, although I hope I can inspire them. I will check out Quora.

      Once again, thanks for sharing your candid opinion. I truly appreciate your efforts.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    That's a horrible website and those ads suck.

    It's all random spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author KnowOneKnows
      Thanks so much for taking the time to look at my materials and give me your feedback!
      I wish you many blessings in your life.
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  • Profile picture of the author earnme97
    I agree, maybe try a different source of traffic?

    Facebook, guest blog posts?
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  • Profile picture of the author TheKing
    On design perpestive, You definitely need a new design with proper structured layout. Even if you are getting targetted audience, I am pretty sure they are getting confused after landing on your page.

    Do you think anyone would buy a Gurranteed Life Channging Product from a website which is not built good ? If you are not perfect how would you make others life perfect ?
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  • Profile picture of the author faisalmaximus
    Select the products based on your traffic, otherwise you will not get expected sales. For example, if most of your traffic hate gardening and if your website is related to gardening tools, then you will not get sale.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Trust me, I understand the urge to monetize any page that gets traffic when times are tough.

    But operating under the idea that "everybody buys something" without knowing more about who is actually visiting that page will lead only to frustration.

    As for AARP, they open membership at age 50. The name may suggest that they are only for retired people, but it just isn't that exclusive. And having just celebrated the thirtieth anniversary of my twenty-ninth birthday, I can assure you that your notion that people just give up at age 55 is not accurate, at least not for enough people make a viable market.

    You aren't looking for the people who have given up, and they won't be looking for you. They're busy watching The Wheel and Waltons reruns, and complaining about how biased the mainstream media is (except for Fox News )

    I suggested the AARP forums because they tend to attract the rest of us codgers - people who are still alive and interested, involved and engaged. Heck most of us late Boomers have a hard time accepting what the calendar tells us is true - the odds are strong we're in the second half of the race.

    Don't look for "leads" or traffic - look for the issues important to the people who are still engaged, how they talk about those issues, the language they use. That can be far more useful than anything you get from a keyword tool.

    Where was I? Oh, yeah...

    I think your best shot at monetizing that page is going to be some kind of very broad CPA offer, like an app download, game or such. Maybe a healthy cookbook with general recipes, a guide to ex-pat retirement destinations, anything of very general interest. And something they may not buy, but will fill out a zip code, email address, etc.
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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by JohnMcCabe View Post


      As for AARP, they open membership at age 50. The name may suggest that they are only for retired people, but it just isn't that exclusive. And having just celebrated the thirtieth anniversary of my twenty-ninth birthday, I can assure you that your notion that people just give up at age 55 is not accurate, at least not for enough people make a viable market.

      Yes, I totally agree. What a flaw to view it as such. John, I will hit 50 this year and I know you are already there by a few years.

      You retiring soon? I bet you are like me and have absolutely no intention of doing
      so lol

      People do not realize how young ( as far as your heart and mentality) still is when you are 50 and 60 years old


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      • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
        Originally Posted by discrat View Post

        Yes, I totally agree. What a flaw to view it as such. John, I will hit 50 this year and I know you are already there by a few years.

        You retiring soon? I bet you are like me and have absolutely no intention of doing
        so lol

        People do not realize how young ( as far as your heart and mentality) still is when you are 50 and 60 years old


        - Robert Andrew
        There's a business up the road that located where they did specifically because the community had a lot of "seniors" who weren't ready for the rocking chair. They also weren't ready for another 40 for 50 job (40 hours a week for 50 weeks a year).

        It was a great match. the work the company does is compressed into four stretches of 5-6 weeks, and that leaves plenty of time off for a group of people who can't stand the thought of sitting around waiting to die, want something to do that engages them and makes some money, while allowing time to do what they want. Sound familiar?

        Oh, and a fair portion of these folks are well past their fifties and sixties. But you'd never know it to look at or listen to them.

        As for me? I do plan to retire soon - another 10-12 years should do it.

        Too many fish out there calling my name to settle for a rocking chair, an early bird special and an episode of the The Wheel...
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    Perhaps I wasn't clear in my post. I have a main Website that I have created with the main purpose of helping people have better lives, and with the secondary goal of creating income for me through the main purpose. I spent more than a year creating this site, and it has more than 70,000 words, encapsulating the knowledge I have gathered over the past half-century, including the latest information.

    So, maybe "No one in their right mind will believe you are the source they've been looking for in a dozen different areas of life.", but I am indeed that person. I hope this doesn't sound arrogant, but university tests show my IQ being in the top 1% of the world. Take that factor and use it for over 50 years to study how to be happy and healthy, and you get..me! Read my content and see for yourself. Read the "about" page. I used to own 3 magazines about health and happiness, and more than 1/2 million readers thought I had something to say.
    If you know this is what people want - and know you are highly qualified to give people what they want...why ask for advice from marketers here? I read a lot of your content - and I'm not impressed. Compelling web copy isn't about how smart you are - it's about whether you connect with your visitors. I'm Mensa qualified - but common sense has made more money online for me than a high IQ.

    If you want that site to be profitable - it needs work. You graciously acknowledge those who offer advice - but seem to be rationalizing the critiques. It's your site - but if it's not selling...something needs to change.

    I spent some time on the site and I found a wall of words (some of them quite repetitive), a lot of (very large) stock images, and loads of links to external sites and videos. Some of the text was repeated as if the text had been rearranged and not proofed after.

    On a diet page you reference (a couple times) a 2009 study...this is 2017!!!

    I would provide examples - but you seem to have disabled copy/paste and I'm not going to type it out. One example - you have TWELVE weight loss books for sale....pick one GOOD diet plan and promote it. The "buy these $5 ebooks" is reminiscent of 2003. This is not only a design issue - it's a content issue. Promoting a $5 ebook as a "this is one of the most valuable resources in the world when it comes to weight loss" - doesn't pass the hype test.

    The graphics/design reminds me of sites from a dozen years ago - big photos - huge headers - too much rambling text - too little organization/streamlining of the copy - and far too many generic looking "products" being pushed.

    You have a start of what could be a profitable site - but you need to bring the site into the present - do some surgical copywriting - and narrow down the products to a few good programs/books rather than a "buy this and this and this - because it's only $5".

    Sorry - but you did ask.
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  • Profile picture of the author yukon
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    After seeing that site there's no way you've been doing IM successfully for 20 years, not even remotely realistic.

    I can't believe folks are going into detail on how to improve the site, it's noob pie in the sky spam.
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    • Profile picture of the author KnowOneKnows
      While I appreciate honest and helpful feedback, I feel that calling someone a liar without backup info is inappropriate. What is your point in posting this? BTW, in 1996 I created a Website for Herbalife distributors which I successfully operated for a number of years and made a multiple 6-figure income with. So, please, feel free to give me any feedback, negative or not, that you feel leads to some action I can take which will improve my site. Thanks.
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        Originally Posted by KnowOneKnows View Post

        While I appreciate honest and helpful feedback, I feel that calling someone a liar without backup info is inappropriate. What is your point in posting this? BTW, in 1996 I created a Website for Herbalife distributors which I successfully operated for a number of years and made a multiple 6-figure income with. So, please, feel free to give me any feedback, negative or not, that you feel leads to some action I can take which will improve my site. Thanks.


        Cmon now, it's me.

        There's absolutely nothing on your site that suggest an experienced marketer. So... as an experienced marketer why would you abandoned all the things you've learned in 20 years?

        That site is an affiliate spamfest of random niches which is what a noob would do.

        Why spam and why now?
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  • Profile picture of the author Kay King
    BTW, in 1996 I created a Website for Herbalife distributors which I successfully operated for a number of years and made a multiple 6-figure income with. So, please, feel free to give me any feedback
    People have been giving you feedback - don't think you are ready for it. It's not easy to be told your website is outdated - but won't help you for people to say "that's great" - when it isn't.

    Something to consider:

    Twenty one years ago there was no...

    Paypal
    YouTube
    Facebook
    Twitter
    Google
    Adsense
    Wordpress - plugins/platforms/themes/etc
    eBay had just launched as 'auction web'
    ...and Amazon was an online bookstore competing with Barnes and Noble

    For Internet Marketing - 21 years is the equivalent of an industrial revolution.
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    • Profile picture of the author KnowOneKnows
      Thanks for your continued feedback! I am really appreciative that you took the time to actually read some of my materials, look in the store, etc.

      I have not yet given you feedback on your first post, as I knew it would take time, and I have been busy. Also, this morning, I noticed that a number of replies that I had posted, including a very-long one, had been deleted, although they were completely innocuous. I am therefore a bit concerned that I may spend a lot of time on a response, only to have it deleted by the admins.

      I will therefore send you a PM, if this system will allow it.
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  • Profile picture of the author hardworker2013
    To be successful in IM you have to copy the gurus. Most of them have made most of there money from building a sizeable email list to which they provide quality content or build up a good relationship. So you need to try that approach if you want to make good money online.
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    • Profile picture of the author KnowOneKnows
      Thanks so much for your advice, and you're right.

      Actually this has been my idea from the beginning, and why I created a Website with tons of free info. I'm still getting that finalized, but am trying to create some income in the meantime.

      Thanks again!
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