Anybody know of a place on the internet where I can discuss specific keyword phrases?

[carlos123]

I am getting somewhat frustrated and am looking for input on where on the internet there might be a place with knowledgeable individuals who might be willing to discuss MY keyword phrase finds. At least some of them.

I am not so dumb as to give all of them away but I do want to give some away and discuss the relative merits of whether or not they would make good one's to focus on but it's been like pulling teeth to try and get any practical down to earth input from internet marketers on this.

I really don't get it and am just trying to find such a place.

If not this forum anybody know of any other one's I can go to? If need be can you PM me.

Thanks.

Carlos

[Matt Helphrey]

Hey Carlos,

I know how it is. Keyword research is frustrating to learn and apply. Usually I look for three things when doing keyword research:

1) Is there enough people searching for the exact phrase I am going after?
2) Is the competition low enough or weak enough so I can rank without too much back linking work? If not, how much work do I have to do to get the number one spot?
3) Is the keyword phrase laser targeting the people who will buy my product, sign up for my newsletter, or click on my links.

Googles keyword tool and Google itself can help you answer the first two questions. The latter should be easy enough to answer on your own.

Hope this helps,

Matt

[carlos123]

Hi Mark,

Yeah it's frustrating but not for the reasons you might think. It's frustrating because trying to get input from internet marketers on this is like pulling teeth.

Keyword selection is an absolute key. Everything else relies on this. Sure you can make a medicre keyword phrase into a paying one with a lot of work but even newbies can succeed in this if they pick red hot keywords.

I am trying to give away some keywords to get input and internet marketers don't even seem to want to discuss what I am giving away.

It's like are afraid of being sued or something. Like I will sue somebody if they take a keyword from me. Big deal if they use a keyword I give away. If I can figure out how to discern and pick winners through a public analysis of why a particular keyword phrase is good or not...I will walk away the true winner.

But...to date I have not been able to find anyone in internet marketing circles who really wants to get down to the nitty gritty with me and analyze some keywords together.

Beats me why not. Honestly.

I am branching out and looking other places on the internet trying to get more input.

Carlos

[radhika]

highrankings.com/forum

Excellent search engine forums.

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[entrepreneurjay]

You know if it's a good keyword phrase if its highly searched with low competition. Any phrase that relates to whatever your selling, that meets these criteria is a good keyword phrase. If you get to the top pages of google for that phrase that's what your shooting for anyways. Then that phrase is a good keyword phrase, because you ranked well for it, and can potentially make some money from it. I have never heard of any forums based around that..

[carlos123]

Thanks for the additional input entrepreneurjay but why is it so hard to get across to everyone that I am not looking for generic, general information about what makes a good keyword niche phrase.

I am looking to analyze specific keyword phrases that I will provide with a view to seeing whether or not they are one's worth building web sites around.

Carlos

[hjalte81]

Originally Posted by carlos123

Thanks for the additional input entrepreneurjay but why is it so hard to get across to everyone that I am not looking for generic, general information about what makes a good keyword niche phrase.

I am looking to analyze specific keyword phrases that I will provide with a view to seeing whether or not they are one's worth building web sites around.

Carlos

If you don't care about giving them away, why not post them here in WF?

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by hjalte81

If you don't care about giving them away, why not post them here in WF?

It's not that I don't care about giving them all away. It's that I don't mind giving a few away in order to learn.

Here are two that I posted on another thread here already for which I got very little input (mostly of the generic kind which is next to worthless to me at this point).

                          LSV      Competition  ECPC
koosh ball             18,100  41,800  $1.03
hugger ceiling fan   18,100  49,300  $3.53

LSV = Local Search Volume in Google Adwords Keyword tool.

Competition is what shows up in Google without quotes for the phrase in question.

ECPC is self-explanatory.

Now I know that some people search for competition with quotes and this number is not super accurate regarding competion, etc., etc., etc. but humor me. There is a reason to my seeming madness.

But getting back to what I am interested in knowing.

Take hugger ceiling fan. The first site that shows up under that phrase has 34,000 inbound links but only 10 of this links are from external web sites.

Hugger ceiling fans has a competition of 199,000.

Would you go for hugger ceiling fan? If so why? If not why not.

Koosh ball is interesting but how do you make a worthwhile Adsense site around koosh ball?? Lots of folks search for this phrase.

Same question. Would you make an Adsense site out of Koosh ball? Why or why not in view of what shows up in Google search pages (remember...no quotes or if you use quotes explain why since most people search without them).

Anybody?

That's the kind of info I am interested in. Not the usual this is how you find a niche site and this is what a niche is and this is how you can make money from niche sites and retire in the caribbean and so on and so on.

I am interested in specific info about particular keyphrases as to why you would or would not build an Adsense page around it.

Thanks.

Carlos

[hjalte81]

Hi Carlos.

Well, it really depends on what you plan on doing?
And how you plan on driving traffic.

My guess is that would use SEO to get organic traffic. Is that correct?
If that's the case, then the question is, how much time will you spend on each site?

Are you planning to make an authority niche site or just a mini page?
I think that the term "Kosher Ball" will be difficult to rank for. Not impossible, but difficult.

"hugger ceiling fan" shouldn't be that though. If you look at the results on google, you get 1 PR4 and a lot of 2's and a few 3's.

If you create a very optimized page/blog, and spended a few hours backlinking, I think it would be very possible.

I have no idea what that kosher ball thing is and I don't know if there's enough targeted ads on adsense to make it profitable?

Hope you could (at least) some of it

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by hjalte81

My guess is that would use SEO to get organic traffic. Is that correct?

Yes.

If that's the case, then the question is, how much time will you spend on each site?

That is immaterial at this point. Let's assume I will spend whatever time I need to spend but that I want to spend the least possible. Let's pretend time is not a factor.

Are you planning to make an authority niche site or just a mini page?

I am more interested in picking your brain than in saying that I will do this or that. I don't know what I would do...that is why I am asking and started this thread. In other words what would you do and why or why not?

I think that the term "Kosher Ball" will be difficult to rank for. Not impossible, but difficult.

Why? Can you elaborate?

"hugger ceiling fan" shouldn't be that though.

Why do you think it would not be that tough to rank for?

If you look at the results on google, you get 1 PR4 and a lot of 2's and a few 3's.

Okay...but what should that tell me? What is the significance of that? I am relatively new at this. PR4 or PR5 or PR1 or PR nothing...what does that mean to me with respect to determining whether I can beat other web sites that show up?

I have no idea what that kosher ball thing is and I don't know if there's enough targeted ads on adsense to make it profitable?

All ads on Adsense are targeted in the sense that Google will try and place relevant ads on all pages on which Adsense ads show up. The question is will those ads pay enough per click. Given that the CPC is quite good I would think the answer is yes. The traffic is quite good for that phrase too.

If the traffic stats and CPC are not good enough to determine to some degree the profitability...what is?

I really do appreciate your input but it still leaves me hanging with not much to go on. If you or anyone else can be more specific as to why this or that is so (if indeed it is so) that would be most helpful.

Carlos

[hjalte81]

Okay.. I'll try to let you pick my brain, even though I'm no master myself

So, you want organic traffic, this leaves out Adwords and other paid traffic sources. But what about article marketing, social bookmarking, links from profiles and forums?

Anyway, this is what I would do:

1) I would find a product to promote or decide to use adsense (I dont use adsense myself, because I find them to unstable...e.g. they can cancel your account if someone clicks your ads 20 times in a row).

2) Buy some domain names (huggerceilingfan.org and .net is available, so is Kosherball.com, .net and .org)

3) install wordpress on both domains

4) Create 3-5 posts at each domain (welcome, what is a ceailing fan etc. + some articles around related keywords)

5) Bookmark the sites at all the major places (don't go nuts, 10-20 bokkmarks)

6) Write 5 articles around your main keywords + 5 articles around 4 related keywords (do this for both sites). Submit to ezinearticles

7) Do some blog commenting, forum posting and profiles linking.

If you're promoting an actual product and not just adsense, then remember to make a post with a review or a presale and make that post sticky (or create a page and make that page sticky)

Hope that helped

About the PR, as a rule of thumb, the higher PR the sites taht you are competing against have, the harder it is to knock them out...

[hjalte81]

One more thing... don't over analyze. Just get going. Shoot first, then aim.
If you have no money to invest, go for a blogger blog or something related, it will be difficult to rank in the search engines, but you'll still get traffic from the articles.

[carlos123]

Thanks hjalte81! I very much appreciate your effort to help me out and let me pick your brain.

Although each of the things you mentioned are generally good to do I was kinda hoping that someone with more Adsense experience might have piped up to give me their input.

I do agree by the way that sometimes just do it is a good thing. That seems to be kinda a mantra around here. Just do it. Just do it. As if that is the key.

In my case I would rather spend extra time analyzing up front to pick the best keyword phrases that I can than pick some mediocre one's that will require more work to rank well.

The best paying keyword phrases with the most traffic and the least competition. I am sure creators of software programs like Micro Niche Finder (a real popular one around here) didn't just go out and "do it" LOL. I am absolutely confident that they took their sweet time, did all the analysis that was needed, to come up with the best program possible.

Well...I want to do no differently. My program is to pick keyword phrase winners and I will take whatever time I need to pick some good keyword phrases and to learn to do so before I touch a line of code to create web pages.

That's just me. Some others might want to just go do it, whatever the it, is

Carlos

[hjalte81]

Originally Posted by carlos123

Thanks hjalte81! I very much appreciate your effort to help me out and let me pick your brain.

Although each of the things you mentioned are generally good to do I was kinda hoping that someone with more Adsense experience might have piped up to give me their input.

I do agree by the way that sometimes just do it is a good thing. That seems to be kinda a mantra around here. Just do it. Just do it. As if that is the key.

In my case I would rather spend extra time analyzing up front to pick the best keyword phrases that I can than pick some mediocre one's that will require more work to rank well.

The best paying keyword phrases with the most traffic and the least competition. I am sure creators of software programs like Micro Niche Finder (a real popular one around here) didn't just go out and "do it" LOL. I am absolutely confident that they took their sweet time, did all the analysis that was needed, to come up with the best program possible.

Well...I want to do no differently. My program is to pick keyword phrase winners and I will take whatever time I need to pick some good keyword phrases and to learn to do so before I touch a line of code to create web pages.

That's just me. Some others might want to just go do it, whatever the it, is

Carlos

No problem

I understand where you are coming from. The big problem (and the reason for the do, do, do) is that way to many newbies spend all their time analyzing and as soon as they are ready to take action, something new and shiny comes up and all that time they used analyzing is more or less wasted.

The thing is, that the best way to learn is by doing. And I'm pretty sure this also applies to adsense blogging. But then again, it would be foolish to not use the knowledge you've already got from your former projects.

I believe that, if you want to suceed in this game, you need an action plan. And preferably a plan that goes a little longer than just the following week.

So, if I should give you one more advice (taken from personal experience) it would be to create a daily action plan, where you'll get closer to your goal each and every day... sorry, got carried away

[carlos123]

Good thoughts hjalte81. Thanks!

There are so many sayings in the marketing world that are taken to be more like laws you must do to succeed. Like that you have to have a business plan (I have none), like you must start doing quickly ahead of any further useful analysis (which I don't subscribe to at all), that you must write down your goals (which again I don't do and really feel no need for).

My plan is simple and it's all in my head.

Create 4 Adsense sites that will bring me $10 each per day. That means I need to find 8 niche markets (figuring half will succeed) and create web sites around each and aim to get 100 visitors per day (3000 per month) returning me 5% click throughs or 5 per day x $2 per click.

The actual numbers of visitors and CPC may vary. I mean 3000x5%=150xCPC of $2 may be instead...6000x5%=300xCPC of $1. That type of thing. But whatever the numbers the goal is to make 300 per month per web site.

That's all I need to live on. If I make it with four (out of eight) websites I can repeat that again. And again and again.

And then as soon as I can do so I will diversify into other things like affiliate marketing, my own software products, e-classes, you name it in case Google ends up not liking my Adsense stuff for some reason.

That's my plan. It's all in my head and that's where it will remain as far as I am concerned.

Oh...gosh...I guess I wrote it down after all LOL. Right here on the Warrior forum. Imagine that! I can now say I wrote it down somewhere to anybody who tells me in the future that I have GOT, GOT, GOT to write it down somewhere.

If I can remember this thread LOL.

Carlos

[723Media]

Hey Carlos,

This thread is kinda strange, I have to admit. It seems like you wanted to get some ideas on how to pick the right Adsense strategy but your last post was a full blown plan on what you were going to do.

Im not sure what you're really looking for.

Here's my take and some ideas on what I would do.

I would go for the "koosh ball" niche. This would take a little creative thinking and possibly some money but not much.

The koosh ball search has 2 listings at spots 1 and 2 on Google that are dead boring and could be taken away very easily.

When I think of the koosh ball, obviously, there is a little nostalgia being that it was created in 1986 (as result #2 will tell you), which is when I was a kid. Many people are likely to be searching for "koosh ball" out of nostalgia.

So, here is what I would do.

Find a freelance Flash programmer. Have him develop some kind of game that is super easy to play but addictive. Something like throwing the koosh ball through a hoop or at a monkey, whatever you want. Something that would make people play it for a few minutes.

If these people have fun playing your game, it could trigger the nostaliga of having the koosh ball and the desire to get a real one.

Underneath the viewer for the game, line up some Adsense ads.

The user will be more likely to click them on that style of site rather than an authority site or some massive "koosh ball" content site because it will be the only link they have to click to go get a "koosh ball".

With that being said, start your viral marketing campaign. Send this one site out to all of the time wasting sites you can think of. YouTube, KontraBand, etc.

Now you only have one site to focus on rather than the spider web of blogs that most people tell you to market.

That's my take.

Good Luck.

[723Media]

Oh, here's another tip. Grab a fun domain for the game. www.kooshballcraze.com, www.crazykooshball.com.

Something that sounds fun and has the keyword name in it.

Man, I should charge for this

[carlos123]

Thanks 723Media. That's exactly the kind of input I was looking for and that is so hard to find.

Specific..what would you do with a given keyword phrase that seems to have good numbers.

Not general Adsense strategy. I am not interested at this point primarily in refining my general strategy rather specific and concrete input on what people would do with specific keyword phrases I provide (assuming they think the numbers are any good).

Thanks again. You've given me some things to think about.

Carlos

[723Media]

No problem Carlos. I have been in the position many times where I am looking at a niche that I know could be capitalized on and I cant think of anything to do with it.

Let me know if that idea works or if you come up with another.

[carlos123]

Originally Posted by 723Media

Let me know if that idea works or if you come up with another.

Thanks but the keyword phrases that I disclosed in this thread were one's that I gave away for the purpose of learning what I could by any public analysis of them. So I won't be using them.

Feel free to use them yourself if you think they might be profitable.

I've got about 8 good one's so far and will spend several more hours today finding a few more. When I get up around 15 I will begin to analyze more aspects of them like PR rankings, inbound links, and a few other things to determine which one's I want to go with and then will begin building sites around them.

Thanks again for your input. Much appreciated.

Carlos