Online SUCCESS ~ Just Copy the Pro's

by joshdn10 27 replies
You'll often hear people say that making money online is simple, but it's not easy...

I think this is very accurate. Tons of people start out hoping to make it BIG online but stop shortly after because they haven't seen results (after a ridiculously short time) and they don't know what to do and how to get traffic etc...

This is why I believe having a MENTOR is critical to your success online. Tony Robins says, 'find somebody who has the results that you want, and replicate what they do time after time. Then you will have what they have, time after time.'

I really believe this strongly. If you can find someone that you admire and has awesome success stories, then model them and take out all the ambiguity and stress and overthinking and just DO what they DO. Don't even think about it! This makes it simple AND easy...

Anyway, that's my rant for the day : ) Hope this gives somebody some ideas!

Josh
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  • Profile picture of the author Steve B
    Josh,

    Let's use your example of Tony Robbins. Let's say I want to have the success just like he has doing just what he is doing.

    How is having a mentor going to assure that I am going to be just like Tony Robbins?

    I want to be an NBA star, just like LeBron. Is a mentor going to get me there?

    Sometimes mentors can help in certain situations - I'm not saying that they are not appropriate for some people in some areas.

    But I have learned that just copying what someone does is no guarantee of success. You are not that person regardless of how closely you follow someone.

    Tony Robbins is charismatic and smart. LeBron has physical skills that only one in 100 million possess.

    How many millions of "copycats" are there in the world that could never be the original?

    You are the business. You bring a certain set of skills, abilities, work ethics, personality, resources, education, persistence and tolerance for pain that no one else possesses. You are unique and your business will be unique.

    A mentor can guide you and offer help - no doubt about that - but he/she can not "make" you successful - you must do that part - the hard part!

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    • Profile picture of the author discrat
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      Josh,



      But I have learned that just copying what someone does is no guarantee of success. You are not that person regardless of how closely you follow someone.

      Back in my Trading Days many years ago , I joined a Futures Trading Room. Where the Leader was a very adept and very successful Trader in Futures and Commodities.

      We paid a monthly fee and it seemed like s sure thing because we were Live Streaming and we just followed his Trading Calls in our own Accounts right when it happened. He would yell out Buy at a certain price and then Sell at a certain price.

      From the outside , it seemed like a sure easy way to make a lot of money.

      But it was not !!

      It was really hard because the Markets with the Futures is so fast moving. We he yelled get out , he was out but many of us were "stuck" in and couldn't get out the Trade at the precise moment he said too.

      So trying to emulate him was really futile. And people lost a lot of money.

      Bottom line is trying to COPY does NOT always guarantee or work out as Steve points out


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    • Profile picture of the author Sid Hale
      Originally Posted by Steve B View Post

      You are the business. You bring a certain set of skills, abilities, work ethics, personality, resources, education, persistence and tolerance for pain that no one else possesses. You are unique and your business will be unique.

      ...and it is that uniqueness that will set you apart from all the "wannabees".

      What sets you apart from everyone else?
      What makes your offer irresistable?

      A mentor can tell you very quickly what won't work, but only you know what makes you/your offer different from the competition. Once you figure out what that is, a mentor may very well be able to help you with strategies for getting the word out, and bringing attention to what YOU have to offer.
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    • Profile picture of the author joshdn10
      Well if your mentor is Tony Robbins, then that will ensure you become like him.

      If your mentor is LeBron, and you do what he does, then that will also ensure that.

      My point is just that if you replicate the practices of the people who have the results you want, you're most likely to get those results too.

      Of course you must do the hard part, I completely agree. I just mean if you're doing the same things as they are, it's the best chance you'll get the same results.
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        I am going to disagree with you. You may become a bit more like him, but you will not, necessarily, have the same success... or any success. Because him mentoring you is not the same as him turning you into himself.

        Tony can get you to think differently... Maybe...

        He has to mentor you; you have to learn. But you do not have his innate aptitudes/inclinations, etc.

        No matter how much Michael Jordan's going to train me, I'll forever be shorter than he is.

        No matter how much Einstein trains me, my IQ is lower than his, my intuition is different, my love for, and patience, with numbers and math are lower.

        Let's make it absurd, to make the point: No matter how much a Victoria's Secrets model will train LeBron on looking and walking like a petite sexy female model, she and he will forever fail. Yes, he'll copy somethings, but overall?

        Originally Posted by joshdn10 View Post

        Well if your mentor is Tony Robbins, then that will ensure you become like him.

        If your mentor is LeBron, and you do what he does, then that will also ensure that.

        My point is just that if you replicate the practices of the people who have the results you want, you're most likely to get those results too.

        Of course you must do the hard part, I completely agree. I just mean if you're doing the same things as they are, it's the best chance you'll get the same results.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by joshdn10 View Post

        Well if your mentor is Tony Robbins, then that will ensure you become like him.

        If your mentor is LeBron, and you do what he does, then that will also ensure that.

        My point is just that if you replicate the practices of the people who have the results you want, you're most likely to get those results too.

        Of course you must do the hard part, I completely agree. I just mean if you're doing the same things as they are, it's the best chance you'll get the same results.
        For the sake of my sanity I am going to assume that this post was made in jest. I say that because if you apply any logic or employ any business common-sense, you will see that this way of thinking can't be supported with any proof or evidence.

        It sounds great, but let's be honest. It's total malarky.

        Thank you.
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    • Profile picture of the author unifiedac
      Your cynicism and argumentative approach is not helpful.

      People who seek mentors are serious and at least mildly knowledgeable/capable in the space their trying to be successful.

      Mentors help guide others around common pitfalls and mistakes. Sometimes this alone is extremely valuable. I started in IM under the wings of a successful marketer. You've never heard of him, but he's still successful. Simply by showing me what not to do and what he was doing, and why, I was able to get a solid footing in the space. Since then, I've taken my own path, based on my own interests and knowledge. But that foot in the door was crucial for me.

      Mentors can share the principles of being active in a space:
      • Common mistakes to avoid.
      • Mental exercises to cope with failure.
      • Best practices for dealing with clients in your niche.
      • Understanding the mentality of your competition.
      • How to implement proven processes and approaches.
      • Time saving techniques.
      • etc.

      In the end, it's up to you to take the knowledge you've been given and make the best of it. You may never be Tony Robbins. You may never be Lebron. You may be Joe Shmoe your whole life, never be on Oprah. But that doesn't mean you can't be successful, and why not have a little help to get you there faster?
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      • Profile picture of the author DABK
        Not helpful? But they've helped me! Really.



        Originally Posted by unifiedac View Post

        Your cynicism and argumentative approach is not helpful.
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      • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
        Originally Posted by unifiedac View Post

        Mentors can share the principles of being active in a space:
        • Common mistakes to avoid.
        • Mental exercises to cope with failure.
        • Best practices for dealing with clients in your niche.
        • Understanding the mentality of your competition.
        • How to implement proven processes and approaches.
        • Time saving techniques.
        • etc.
        Nothing on that list that can't be achieved through dedicated research.

        You may never be Tony Robbins
        One would hope not.

        Thank you!
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  • Profile picture of the author Michael Meaney
    Originally Posted by joshdn10 View Post

    If you can find someone that you admire and has awesome success stories, then model them and take out all the ambiguity and stress and overthinking and just DO what they DO. Don't even think about it! This makes it simple AND easy...

    Anyway, that's my rant for the day : ) Hope this gives somebody some ideas!

    Josh
    Hold up a second.

    I understand why you say that, but think about this ok..

    Market leaders have completely different reasons for doing what they do, in comparison to what you or I might be doing.

    For example, they might use a particular approach to advertising..

    THEIR reasons for that might not have anything to do with YOUR reasons for advertising.

    Your concerns are probably simpler, you probably just want sales or subscribers - they might want good PR, to make shareholder happy, to make the board of directors happy.. who knows.

    ...They have reasons that are a million miles from yours.

    What happens if you copy them? You probably ain't gonna get the results you want, right?

    Don't blindly copy anything without understanding WHY.
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  • Profile picture of the author JohnMcCabe
    Let me throw another stone in the soup...

    The successful entrepreneurs I know don't just ape something perceive to be successful. They run tests.

    And many of those tests are losers.

    What do you get, following your premise, if you pick one of those losing tests to copy?

    Yep, you lose, too.

    That blade cuts both ways.
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    Man... tough crowd... lol
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    Very true a mentor give you a true value because he get all mistakes until he found succes .Its like a guide who knows the road .When you want to get somewhere where you dont know the destination you will get lose but a guide will present you the corect road
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  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    Hi Josh,

    Definitely.

    I'd add, be the energy or embody the energy of success to follow the path pros take.

    If you feel mired in fear, you may copy pro's actions but your energy will repel success. Which is why some IMers follow pro advice but struggle for years to make headway. Focus on being a pro IMer by diving in to your fears, by working mainly for fun, by spreading love, by serving, by promoting others and by befriending top folks from your niche.

    When you are being this person, you act inspired and allow in success.

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  • Profile picture of the author Connann
    No, no and no.

    You dont need ONLY a Mentor.
    or you dont need in SPECIFIC a mentor.

    Cause success is not a matter of copy and paste, as Steve B in the post under this one said.

    It's a misconcept carried out by PNL: if u copy thoughts and action made by someone you like, u will become the same.

    What a stupid bullshit.

    Copy Michael Jordan and check if u can jump like him.

    You have to find YOUR WAY and APPLY A SYSTEM: i mean a complex set of strategies which are suitable for your niche.

    As an example: build an email list. this is a strategy.
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    If you repeat the same lie long enough, it becomes the truth.
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    • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
      Originally Posted by yukon View Post

      If you repeat the same lie long enough, it becomes perceived as truth.
      Corrected for accuracy.

      Thank you.
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      • Profile picture of the author yukon
        Originally Posted by OptedIn View Post

        Corrected for accuracy.

        Thank you.

        No, it really becomes the truth.

        You're welcome.
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        • Profile picture of the author OptedIn
          Originally Posted by yukon View Post

          No, it really becomes the truth.

          You're welcome.
          Only if you are unable to stick to your own moral compass without being persuaded by what others think. No matter how many millions of times I hear BS, I never get used to the smell or change my opinion of how I regard it.

          Lies are lies, from day one until the end of time. If the facts change to affect the lie - well, that's a whole other ballgame, entirely.

          Lies never become the truth unless you change you own personal way of regarding them.

          Thank you, once again.
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    to make money online,i need a lot of patience
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  • Profile picture of the author Brent Stangel
    just DO what they DO. Don't even think about it!
    This is like following the taillights of the car ahead of you in a snowstorm. When they go in the ditch, you follow them in.

    Best to use their lights as a guide, but keep your eyes on the road.
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  • Profile picture of the author anayb
    If you have a genuine interest in basketball and you possess a standard physical then worshipping Jordan, following him closely can surely improve your gaming skills. Can you replicate his success? probably not, but he can positively influence your overall basketball career. What you need is a genuine interest.

    In tech industry, almost every ultra-successful people have had a mentor from time to time from Bill Gates to Jobs to Elon Musk.

    Just like every cricket, football team needs a manager, you may need a mentor in IM if you want to stay ahead in your race. There's nothing wrong with that. As Steve suggested YOU ARE THE BUSINESS, and just like hiring the finest football manager doesn't guarantee that you'd net three goals, you may or may not find success by simply having a good mentor. It ultimately will depend on your specific skill sets.

    I have seen many startups who never have raised any outside funds and crossed $100 million valuation mark, while many as much as 65 million dollar in funding under belt filed bankruptcy and was later sold for a couple millions.

    So, it varies person to person. You can become Tonny Robbins or more, if have a knack and genuine interest. Blindly following something, even a simple algebra will not be of any help.
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    • Profile picture of the author quadagon
      Sports are a great to highlight this first point:

      Diego Maradona and Pele were two of the best footballers in the history of the game and absolutely god awful coaches and managers.

      Wenger, Mourinho and Sir Alex were either non players or below average (at best) but became some of the greatest coaches and managers in history.

      There is no correlation between being good at doing something and being able to successfully teach or coach. What people often fail to realize is that its a different set of set of skills.

      I've spent time around really successful entrepreneurs and a surprising revelation is that they are often instinctive or gut lead.

      Obviously its not that simple and its a result of knowledge, experience and wisdom but if you ask them 'why did you make that decision?' few would be able to articulate an accurate answer. Let alone teach you how to replicate it

      If you are copying though you don't see that you only see a small snippet of whats happening and draw your own conclusions.

      I read once that the average millionaire declares bankruptcy 3 times, do you really want to be copying that?

      but lets take this argument to the extreme

      Why aren't tribute bands as successful as the original bands?

      Why aren't lookalikes as famous as their doppelgangers?

      Why aren't forgers held in the same regard as those they impersonate?
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  • Profile picture of the author John Leyo
    Imitate. Assimilate. Innovate.
    I think that this is the key or the cycle to learn a new skill and become successful, Finding an ideal person or a pro is great and it's the first step to start and getting ideas, but just copying them without thinking to accomplish the cycle is not the healthy way to success.

    John Leyo
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