Massive Posting Going On Watch These Folks!

[Craig Desorcy]

I've been a member here for a little while and have
learned a few things along the way.

One biggy is to keep an eye on people that come out
of no where and post "me too" posts, nonsense IM advice
and well, just plan crap.

Why watch them?

Not all of them but these are the same people that
run WSO's and head for the hills with your money. Got
sucked in so I know. Got a T-Shirt Too!

This place has made many loads of cash and if
you're new, you can get yours too but it ant gonna
happen over night and you're going to have to work
for it.


-Craig

[Jose Delgado]

[AverageGuy]

that's what has been happening on digital forum. now, df is full of scamers.

i think wf should be very strict with rules for spamers. that's one of the most important reason why craigslist is so successful.


david

[Bev Clement]

Craig you so right.

There are people who are posting like madmen getting their post count up, and not making any sense. They are also running wso's as well. Be interesting to see if they are still around in a month's time

[Jose Delgado]

I agree Craig!

I'll try to be as helpful as I can next time.

Be interesting to see if they are still around in a month's time

I hope I am.

[Tirmizi]

well that is exactly true.... and i guess most of the guys over the warrior forum and other places are trying to do just that ... the scammers are a fact but ... i guess its just one time thing and like i rememberd "George Bush 'funny clip] you can fool me once , you can't fool me again ;-)

[Jean Morgan]

A useful reminder Craig. Thank you.

I put some of it down to the forum being 'new' and overexuberance and excitement but history has shown that this is indeed a pattern to be wary of.

[Amino Zawawi]

We can start a whole new line Mr. Tiger. I'm a new member myself, and I could safely say that some members get a bit intimidated, wanting to participate without sounding inexperienced, dumb, or naive. So we've got to give them the benefit of the doubt.

[JayXtreme]

Yeah...

errr.. me too

Jay

p.s. Great advice here..

[Jon Alexander]

so what you are saying is that a big post count shouldn't be taken as as easy way of verifying how 'reliable' someone is?

That's possibly true for another reason too - the longer a forum runs, the more posts almost EVERYONE will have! I mean, there are guys on WF with THOUSANDS of posts...


btw Craig, how are you finding it in Japan? Speak the language? managing to fit in?

[Vince Runza Online]

Originally Posted by Jon Alexander

so what you are saying is that a big post count shouldn't be taken as as easy way of verifying how 'reliable' someone is?

Not in and of itself. Look at how long someone's been around here. If you like, check their profile: average number of posts per day that person made over time; who their friends are; did they fill in their profile; do hot chicks from Romania decide to be their fan over at Digg: A 20 year-old female from Romania. Bucuresti (RO) who joined Digg on August 7th, 2008.

No, really!

[Craig Desorcy]

Originally Posted by Jon Alexander

so what you are saying is that a big post count shouldn't be taken as as easy way of verifying how 'reliable' someone is?

That's possibly true for another reason too - the longer a forum runs, the more posts almost EVERYONE will have! I mean, there are guys on WF with THOUSANDS of posts...


btw Craig, how are you finding it in Japan? Speak the language? managing to fit in?

It's just a good thing before doing biz with someone here
to check out many of their past posts and do a little digging
to gauge if you want to get involved. Read up on them
and a patten will reveal itself.

EXAMPLE

Someone wrote a WSO offering service. I didn't look into
their past posts and just trusted them... They ran with
the money. My bad.

I looked into their past posts after the fact and what I found
was many "Me Too" posts weaving in a message in each one,
positioning them self as an expert in the WSO service they
offered but never delivered.

I did file a claim with paypal and got my money back.

Here is the kicker for the person, if they came through, I would
of bragged about them in the main forum and turned them on to
others I'm friends with that have a budget for the service offered.
(Yes, some of us get off on helping others that produce the goods...
Sick and twisted I know. )

JAPAN

I love this place. 13 years here and it's made me a real stand up
guy that over deliverers every chance I get. One BIG thing I've
learned here is your word is all you have.

Not following through on something you said here is a very
shameful, Unacceptable action. And a reflection of how you
deal with other things. It's the kind of stuff you should jump in
front of a train over... And people do.

If I was to sum up the biggest lesson I've learned here,
it's accountability for every aspect of my life.
Japan will make you or break you.


Craig

[Eric Johnson]

Amino, how do you do that shirt thing...that is too cool

[mindvalley]

True true. I am impressed that this forum works so well. I have tried to launch 3 forums in the past 3 years and had to shut them all down. Either they got over-run by spammers or they turned into hate forums where people just complained. I hope we can keep this forum thriving for the benefit of all of us.

[Chipt]

Hey, Craig -

"One BIG thing I've learned here is your word is all you have.

Not following through on something you said here is a very
shameful, Unacceptable action. And a reflection of how you
deal with other things. It's the kind of stuff you should jump in
front of a train over... And people do."

Amen...

When they plant us in the ground at our end of days, all we'll ever really take with us is our 'word' ... our name ... and what we did for others...

IMHO, the incessant plethora of "Me, Too! add-absolutely-no-value-but-try-to-get-noticed-somehow" posts just suck up electrons, bandwith, disk space, and time...

I wonder why anyone thinks all those "Me, Too!" posts add anything to their credibility, rep, or add any real value to the Warriors here.

Of course, everyone is new here at some point, but getting started posting with the 'rad and cool and me too" posts Allen referred to elsewhere here is IMO the totally WRONG way to get started.... and ...

... If a noob here is so totally inexperienced that he or she knows absolutely nothing, they have surely come to the right place. But use those two eyes more and those 10 fingers less.

Learn first. Type second.

{Yes I am excepting the 'Introduce yourself' initial post that everyone should make... using their real name and not some silly alias... and asking for help where it is sincerely needed.}

But as Cheech and Chong said in their classic piece "Sister Mary Elephant"... "Class, CLASS... SHUT UP!"

Just teasing there -

Chip Tarver

[macchiavelli]

I could care less about my post count...I usually lurk anyways lol!

[Alan Petersen]

I've always believed that should be a rule for posting. Your post should contribute to the community not just serve to add to your post count.

Sure we've had all posted "great resource, thanks" type of posts as appreciation but the "me too", "I agree" do not contribute to the community. Those fake posts can be spotted a mile away. I hate to be militant but if that is the majority of someones posts then they are spamming not posting-especially if they have a WSO running. At the very least they should get an infraction so they start contributing or get booted for spamming.

So far I haven't had any issues with any WSO's I've bought but a common thread I see when people get ripped off is when the WSO is offering services. PR campaigns, writing, etc. So folks should be extra cautious with those type of WSOs

[Simplweb]

Originally Posted by Craig Desorcy

One biggy is to keep an eye on people that come out
of no where and post "me too" posts, nonsense IM advice
and well, just plan crap.
Why watch them?
Not all of them but these are the same people that
run WSO's and head for the hills with your money.

So there are two point here? But I am not sure I completely agree with both.

If you are going to participate, be respectful enough to post something thoughtful. Note this ISN'T about only posting if you meet some post "bar" but rather not posting 2-second-to-compose posts. I don't think there is a connection between IM beginners and being allowed to post. Someone new to the forum can post a very thoughtful question with their first post and spur a great conversation.

Don't just look at post count... that's short sighted. Look at the content of the post....

Second seems to be relating quality of posts abd post counts to quality of any WSO. Again, I am not sure there is a causation. Correlation, maybe. I have got quite a few products off "famous" (read visible in forums) marketers to find they have been overhyped.

[Colin Evans]

Been here since 2003 - seen them come and seen them go... There are only a few people who have stood the test of time...

I sit quietly in the corner of a room observing, same in a forum. If I have nothing to say I'd rather keep quiet and not add to the noise...

And since I'm not saying anything worthwhile I'll go back to quietly observing.

[lakshaybehl]

I think we need to rethink a thing here!

Lets just get inside the mindset of a person that who been introduced to WF by a "guru" or an "expert" has told them go get traffic from forums and they end up at WF!

And you know what they are trying to do?

Make a mark ASAP!

They want to be known as an expert as fast as they can and be accepted by the community without realizing that they are doing the exact opposite when they blatantly spamming.

Heck! Some of them don't even know they are spamming!

And while theydo have some knowledge about IM, they find that almost all posts where they cxould reply have been replied to by other warriors! And they are left with just one thing to say- "Yes, Me Too"

Now I am not saying throw your money at their WSO's, but their postings at WF are just going to be one ine kind! They are just trying to position themselves as someone here.

So what do you do?

Well what I doo is that I check out their "OTHER" presence on the internet! I check out their FB and MS and Twitter and their freebie which gives me a fair amount of idea about what they are up to.

Hope this helps.

But we all need to bear this in mind... We all begin somewhere! And there will be people 10 years from now who will make their first post on WF and yet become internet millionaires leaving me and other warriors behind!

Just my way of looking at things. Probably because I am myself new to this whole IM thing especially if 3 years is counted as new!

And know this- WF is not the first place that people go to when they start with IM. They end up at WF sometimwe, somehow!

[BIG Mike]

Me too

[TimS]

Aw, you beat me too it. I was going to say I agree so it would have been a little different.

[Premium Web Content]

Stone Evans is offering $25 for PIP members who reach 500 posts in the Warrior Forum.

http://www.warriorforum.com/plug-pro...rum-posts.html

This can be one of the reasons for the proliferation of the posts so mentioned.

- Johnny

[Kay King]

I agree - yet I expect Stone is telling those PIPs members to post in "forums", not just in the WF. But I think that may be adding to the static here the past few days.

EDIT: Just saw Stone's post again - and it was for WF posts. He seems to be appealing to those who have already achieved that number - but it may be viewed differently by newbies.

It's just a good thing before doing biz with someone here
to check out many of their past posts and do a little digging
to gauge if you want to get involved. Read up on them
and a patten will relieve itself.

It's very easy to look at a person's posts to see what they've contributed over time here. It's not about count (and, yes, I can say that) - it's about content. Do they post helpful info and answer questions?

If the person has posted about not earning money - how is he selling a make money product?

If the person has done nothing but agree or add useless kiss-up posts, is this someone you want to listen to?

Do a search for their name in the forum (maybe in both forums at the moment) to see if anyone has posted about them in a positive or negative way.

If it's a WSO, go to warriorplusDOTcom and look up their previous WSO's and read the comments members made there. Most (not all) past WSOs are posted there.

Fifteen minutes of research can help you decide whether you are buying a good product or whether you should take a "wait and see" pass on it.

kay

[bauger]

I think the great success of WF is the members and moderators. From what I've seen that its self policed than most other forums. I think the members take pride here on what WF is and represents.
I know you'll always get those spammers just looking for a quick buck and do get it. They never last though because we point them out to other members publicly which I find great.

Wellthats my 2cents

Bruno

[TimS]

I have to add...

The new format of the forum has really encouraged me to get involved in more conversations. I have a vbulletin forum myself and have used it in the past. It's very comfortable to use if you have used it for a while.

That being said, I agree with the I agree posts, although at times, they are genuine.

Tim

[myob]

Enough said.

[Paul Buckley]

Originally Posted by BIG Mike

Me too

Ditto for me too :P

[Amino Zawawi]

Originally Posted by Eric Johnson

Amino, how do you do that shirt thing...that is too cool

Got an empty stock photo of a shirt, used photoshop to add the text. Piece of cake

Originally Posted by Chipt

... If a noob here is so totally inexperienced that he or she knows absolutely nothing, they have surely come to the right place. But use those two eyes more and those 10 fingers less.

Learn first. Type second.

{Yes I am excepting the 'Introduce yourself' initial post that everyone should make... using their real name and not some silly alias... and asking for help where it is sincerely needed.}

Chip Tarver

I second that. However, many may get the urge to sulk in the background forever feeling they're not up to par with the rest of those submitting.

I've used many forums before, only to realize that many experienced members will ignore a legit response from a newbie in favor of a conversation with their old buddies (not that it's bad) however, we should cut them some slack.

Originally Posted by TimS

I have to add...

The new format of the forum has really encouraged me to get involved in more conversations. I have a vbulletin forum myself and have used it in the past. It's very comfortable to use if you have used it for a while.


Tim

VB's always a post inducer, I've used many forums with different interfaces, but VB's the best when it comes to user-friendliness and functionality. I'm in love with the embed video feature, would make our life much easier.

Originally Posted by Colin Evans

Been here since 2003 - seen them come and seen them go... There are only a few people who have stood the test of time...

I sit quietly in the corner of a room observing, same in a forum. If I have nothing to say I'd rather keep quiet and not add to the noise...

And since I'm not saying anything worthwhile I'll go back to quietly observing.

Nicely put, true colors show sooner or later. Whatever someone's up to, they can't keep up "me too" posts forever.

[Stallion]

I'm new, as in 5 months, but I still consider myself new. I don't have that much posts because there is no reason for me to post. There really isn't. Everything has been said before. I have posted some threads for things I didn't know of, but for the most part new people don't need to post. I've learned far more by learning and applying. If you're new and posting to much, than you're probably not getting much done.

All I have to say.

[Jose Delgado]

Originally Posted by Eric Johnson

Amino, how do you do that shirt thing...that is too cool

I think its called Photoshop.

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[pwebbiz]

Uggh, just wrote out a nice long reply, went to edit something with the [BACKSPACE] and went back a page....

Anyway let me see if I can't rewrite it:

What irks me the most is when people CONSISTENTLY do not worry about the grammar, spelling or punctuation of their post.

Now, I'm not saying this to be a Nazi, you don't have to aim to be a perfectionist and an accidental slip up can be expected. However, when you see someone constantly posting replies with ZERO grammar it becomes irritating knowing that they're looking to boost their post count and aren't really putting effort into a contribution.

Again, I'm not saying anyone's perfect and you don't have to be...but, this is a professional environment and you should at least make an effort to at least CAPITALIZE your words.

There is one warrior in particular that is driving me insane because none of his/her posts have ANY effort put into it. And moreover, I feel this person has a WSO coming on.

At DP one thing you can report / infraction is something like 'submitting low quality post for the benefit of raising post count.' I'd love to see that infraction added!

[mmurtha]

Craig,

Lol I don't think you're going to see mush of those types of posts much longer. Not with the new system in place where everyone is a moderator.

Allen's already posted something about these types of posts and how thay don't add to the forum. Of course I hope we don't.

As far as WSOs and doing business with anyone it's important to check them out before a purchase. A $7 report isn't a lot of money to lose, but when spending a couple hundred and up it sure as heck is.

I always check people out anymore, and if I don't care for what I see from posts here in the forum by them, I don't buy. I also check with people I know and ask them if they know them.

Anyway, people will learn one of these days to check things out before they lose their shirt.


Mary

[myob]

The most successful marketers are just naturally obnoxious. That's how they earn the big bucks. Don't begrudge anyone for posting here. That is the moderators job, and I think they are doing a lot that we don't even see. I've noticed a number of postings disappear without a trace! I would buy a WSO anyway if it is good enough no matter how "annoying" the marketer might be.

[Amino Zawawi]

Originally Posted by mmurtha

I always check people out anymore, and if I don't care for what I see from posts here in the forum by them, I don't buy. I also check with people I know and ask them if they know them.

Anyway, people will learn one of these days to check things out before they lose their shirt.


Mary

Mary, you've got a valid point here. Also, WSOs that look unprofessional, do not provide a money back guarantee, or documented testiomonials are usually trouble. Been scammed a couple of time before I've learned to check background info. Glad didn't lost my shirt though

[Steven Fullman]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hope

pwebbiz u r so rit i just h8t thoz streem uv conshusnes threds lik their riten by jamz joyce or samul beket or some1 lik that an they hav no gramr or nythng

So it's YOU who's been spam-texting my cell phone.

BUSTED!



Steve

[mmurtha]

Originally Posted by Jeff Hope

pwebbiz u r so rit i just h8t thoz streem uv conshusnes threds lik their riten by jamz joyce or samul beket or some1 lik that an they hav no gramr or nythng

ROTFLMBO!

Umm ... what was that Jff? I didn't quite understand what you were sayin!