I need help with Micro Niche Finder, any MNF experts here?

[Success With Dany]

I did some research for a real estate-related longtail keyword.

Local search count was 4400, global was 3600, exact phrase count was a massive 22 600 000.

But strength of competition was green at 49!

Does it mean that w/ enough backlinks, that longtail keyword can be on top of Google, even with 22 million competing websites??????

Also, is it true that "strength of competition" is the most important factor when using MNF? If so, why?

I read countless times where I was told to shoot for keywords with 10000 and less competing websites?

Still, 22 million competing websites and STILL green 49 for soc, I'm really confused. Unconfuse me please.

[Allurre]

Go for it. It's always good to get that "EXTRA" traffic when you can.

You never, since that "EXTRA" traffic could just be the targeted-qualified buying leads you need

[digidoodles]

MNF is telling you that the sites aren't optimized for that keyword (seo onsite and offsite). That, although, there's a ton of competing sites, they aren't doing anything with that keyword.

IMO, the only drawback to things like that is that the site is already up and it's easy to start optimizing for it (backlinking, etc.) Whereas, if you have a totally untapped market, it's much harder to 1. buy a domain 2. get a website up 3. start optimizing. In your example, they've done 1 & 2, all they have left is 3. Much less barrier to getting started.

Having said that, however, I've done sites that are like the example you have given and have ranked fairly quickly for them. In the back of my mind, however, I always know that if sites start a backlinking campaign then I could be overtaken.

Of course, not every site is going to start optimizing at the same rate..sooo.... go with your gut. It's $10 for a domain name. Wordpress is free. So is hosting. You've wasted more on less before, right?

[Daniel Molano]

Originally Posted by Success With Dany

I did some research for a real estate-related longtail keyword.

Local search count was 4400, global was 3600, exact phrase count was a massive 22 600 000.

But strength of competition was green at 49!

Does it mean that w/ enough backlinks, that longtail keyword can be on top of Google, even with 22 million competing websites??????

Also, is it true that "strength of competition" is the most important factor when using MNF? If so, why?

I read countless times where I was told to shoot for keywords with 10000 and less competing websites?

Still, 22 million competing websites and STILL green 49 for soc, I'm really confused. Unconfuse me please.

Stop asking questions, go for it immediately. If MNF gives you a green light then it's an easy term.

1. Grab an EzineArticle and optimize it around that keyword. Add it in title, excerpt, keyword field, first sentence and every 100 words.

2. Use an RSS distribution software such as RSSBot to distribute your EZA feed (that means about 25 instant backlinks per article published).

3. 50-100 Angela type backlinks (make sure they stick) and you will be on first page of Google guaranteed.

Why not with a site? Because doing it with a site will take about 3 months until it's trusted by Google. Whereas EzineArticles already has that and they will jump start your ranking with a PR6 home page backlink.

[Marty S]

Originally Posted by digidoodles

MNF is telling you that the sites aren't optimized for that keyword (seo onsite and offsite). That, although, there's a ton of competing sites, they aren't doing anything with that keyword.

As a user of MNF and Market Samurai, this is where MS is better at its job because you get to look at those factors in depth. Its never usually as a easy as green light-red light because there is some competitive intuition required for your final decision.

[Daniel Molano]

Originally Posted by Marty S

As a user of MNF and Market Samurai, this is where MS is better at its job because you get to look at those factors in depth. Its never usually as a easy as green light-red light because there is some competitive intuition required for your final decision.

Hey Marty,

Someone just said the exact same thing on my blog the other day, and I'll reply with the same answer.

The SoC variables are much better and reliable than the SEOTCR variables.

SEOTCR Definition (From Market Samurai Glossary):

"SEOTCR is the ratio of SEOTC to SEOC – the ratio of the number of times the words in the keyword appear in title tags vs the number of times the keyword phrase appears on a web-site."

Whereas the SoC measures much more important variables to SEO such as the incoming links (AKA backlinks) of the competition. Micro Niche Finder is still unmatched due to that.

Best of luck,

- Dan

P.S: If MS ever matches that then it will become a better tool overall. But that single feature alone makes MNF superior, at least for SEO.

[Marty S]

Oh I second that as well. I still cant get my head around the SEOTCR. However that was not what I was referring to as having a deeper look at the competition. I use MS to the SEO competition module where it shows the back links data for all the top returns.

[capone2009]

I think he meant that you can have the top 10 sites listed in MS and you can see the on page and off page optimization. seo competition feature. I also think this is better than the soc of mnf because when i find a green light in mnf and i have a look at the results on google there are sometimes only authority sites with high pr there. it is hard to trust the green light if you get something like that.

[Marty S]

Originally Posted by capone2009

I think he meant that you can have the top 10 sites listed in MS and you can see the on page and off page optimization. seo competition feature. I also think this is better than the soc of mnf because when i find a green light in mnf and i have a look at the results on google there are sometimes only authority sites with high pr there. it is hard to trust the green light if you get something like that.

Exactly! I usually use both tools to bounce off data against one another.

[Daniel Molano]

Originally Posted by capone2009

I think he meant that you can have the top 10 sites listed in MS and you can see the on page and off page optimization. seo competition feature. I also think this is better than the soc of mnf because when i find a green light in mnf and i have a look at the results on google there are sometimes only authority sites with high pr there. it is hard to trust the green light if you get something like that.

I see, from that perspective I guess it makes sense.

But thanks to my model I pretty much ignore authority sites of high PR, they are irrelevant to me. And I also ignore red lights of "impossible" SoC.

Which is precisely why I only need the SoC to measure how long it will take.

For example, Google: "business consulting"

Red light SoC of over 40,000, over 40,000,000 competing sites (more than 4,000,000 under quotes) and I am beating titans like IBM (20+ year old domain/site with PR8), Wikipedia, and in several datacenters I'm also outranking Entrepreneur.

All done with an 8 month old site/domain of PR4, I've been in the top 5 since month 3 when I was PR2.

Now, I'm not saying that MS is a bad tool, it's great. But it has several unnecessary "fancy" features that will only get you confused.

MNF is just more practical.

Anyway, from experience, don't let the authorities scare you.

[Marty S]

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

I see, from that perspective I guess it makes sense.

But thanks to my model I pretty much ignore authority sites of high PR, they are irrelevant to me. And I also ignore red lights of "impossible" SoC.

Ok, I am always open to other views... would you care to elaborate? PM would be appreciated as well.

[capone2009]

Yes I also think MNF with the seo competition feature of MS would be the perfect tool.
Researching with MNF is just much quicker and easier (for me and my notebook..) but MS has the nice seo feature. Perhaps James will update MNF with a feature like that, I think I will send him an email, hehe.

[warfore]

Originally Posted by Daniel Molano

I see, from that perspective I guess it makes sense.

But thanks to my model I pretty much ignore authority sites of high PR, they are irrelevant to me. And I also ignore red lights of "impossible" SoC.

Which is precisely why I only need the SoC to measure how long it will take.

For example, Google: "business consulting"

Red light SoC of over 40,000, over 40,000,000 competing sites (more than 4,000,000 under quotes) and I am beating titans like IBM (20+ year old domain/site with PR8), Wikipedia, and in several datacenters I'm also outranking Entrepreneur.

All done with an 8 month old site/domain of PR4, I've been in the top 5 since month 3 when I was PR2.

Now, I'm not saying that MS is a bad tool, it's great. But it has several unnecessary "fancy" features that will only get you confused.

MNF is just more practical.

Anyway, from experience, don't let the authorities scare you.

Daniel, I like your tactics but to confirm, did your approach get you this ranking by leading the way with EZ articles and multiple LTKWs? If so, how many articles did it take?

[tyson4]

Nice one, go get it!

[Zeus66]

Here's what I do with pretty consistent success:

1. Run MNF and check SOC simply as a means of eliminating phrases.

2. Run a basic search at Google of each keyword still on my list.

3. Analyze the Top 10 and see if any patterns emerge that indicate "conquerability."

When you get right down to it, why do you care if there are 1 million or 100 million "competing" pages? That number alone tells you virtually nothing. It's all about how optimized and tough those Top 10 are. If they're all TLD's, high PR, and have a ton of backlinks, good luck ever knocking them off, especially with your brand new site. Won't happen anytime soon.

So look for other article pages, video pages, and long URLs strings to inner pages of non-authority sites. If those populate the Top 10 at Google, THAT is your real "Green Light" SOC score.

John