PTC Sites Going The Way Of The Dinosaur?

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I know a lot of people don't like PTC (paid to click) sites. For those not familiar with the PTC industry, it's pretty big.

And, contrary to popular belief, there are a lot of people making quite a bit of money with them. I don't mean the folks who sit there and click ads for half a penny a piece. I mean the folks who know how to get thousands of referrals. I know several people who are making in excess of $1000 per month from these sites.

Now, another way people make money from these sites is buying massive amounts of cheap traffic, and using it to build a list. The conversion rates are horrible, as you would guess. I've used them in the past to achieve conversion rates of anywhere between 1% - 3%, depending on the landing page I'm using. However, when you buy 100,000 visitors at a time, a 2% conversion rate equals 2000 subscribers.

You can purchase 100,000 visitors on NeoBux for $550, or roughly $0.00550 per click. If you can convert at 2% and get 2000 leads, you pay around 27.5 cents per lead. That's pretty good. I can also tell you from experience that some of landing pages have achieved conversion rates of a little over 3%. 3000+ leads for $550 ain't too shabby.

A lot of people think that these subscribers are unresponsive and will never buy anything. I've found that to be untrue. In fact, these leads are absolutely awesome if you are in the "make money online" niche, because most of them are looking for a real way to earn a legitimate online income. If you are there to provide them with a real plan and you make yourself available to them and really help them, you WILL gain lifetime customers. I can't tell you how many people I now have on my buyers lists that came from PTC leads.

Another way that I've been able to leverage that industry is by giving away a course that teaches people how to get referrals and earn money the right way with PTC. I include a lot of videos and I really try to reach out and help people. You'd be surprised at how well you can do if you can show people that making an investment in your services is really going to work for them.

Anyway, I haven't used this type of advertising for a few years now, since I've been able to build my list up enough to where I'm able to afford to buy more effective paid traffic. The fact remains, however, that PTC is a viable method for a newbie just starting out in the MMO niche to jump start their list building. I might also mention that this method is one of the ways advocated in one of the best selling products of all time on Warrior Plus.

This morning I logged into Clixsense and was going to fool around with a new landing page I had created and I was shocked to find out that they were going to discontinue PTC advertising from their site starting tomorrow. I had always thought that was the bread and butter of that site, but they are claiming in their announcement that it's not. I actually don't really believe that, and I doubt most of the thousands of their other members do, either. Maybe things have changed since I've been away from it for a while, but I don't think so. PTC is, after all, synonymous with sites like ClixSense and NeoBux.

Here are some excerpts from the ClixSense announcement:

While our survey, task and offer business has grown significantly, the PTC side of our business has been on a downward slide for some time now and more so since the loss of Paypal back in February.

With the negatives out weighing the positives, and after 10 years in the PTC business, we have decided to move forward without PTC. Beginning July 15th, 2017 PTC ads will be removed from ClixSense. Along with the removal of PTC we have also decided to remove ClixGrid and the premium upgrades, including the corresponding 8-level commission structure. As of today, July 1st we will stop selling upgrades, PTC advertising and ClixGrid.
They go on to state:

We know with the removal of upgrades and the 8 tier affiliate program that this may have an impact on some members with a large downline. To compensate for this ClixSense will now pay an incredible 20% commission on all direct referral activities. We will offer a single level affiliate program only and this commission is the same for all members as we will no longer have 2 different membership types.
What's really surprising about that statement is they claim:

This new higher commission will generate more money for you than what the 8 tier affiliate program did. The reason is more members will do surveys, tasks and offers than those that would purchase an upgrade. In some cases this change can boost a members earnings significantly.
Umm... I don't think so! In what world does a person who has hundreds or thousands of people in their downline and who is earning commissions 8 levels deep going to make more money with a single level affiliate program? Certainly not in this world.

However, I don't really blame ClixSense and NeoBux. It's been my understanding that PayPal has pulled the plug on dealing with any and all sites that are even closely related with PTC.

I logged into my NeoBux account this morning and was greeted with another surprise:

2017/07/07 at 06:33

PayPal contacted us today to notify us they would be terminating our account.
I won't sugarcoat it, this news came as a total, shocking surprise.

To add insult to injury, they clarified there was nothing wrong on our end, but since they faced huge problems due to the practices of another known website, which theoretically belonged in the PTC vertical -even though they operated in a completely different way than our business model-, they were now forced to cancel every account belonging to a PTC website, regardless if there is a direct violation of their User Acceptance Policy or not.
So it seems that they have dropped the hammer on the two most popular PTC sites, and from the wording of the NeoBux announcement, the rest will follow.

Do I blame PayPal for doing this? Absolutely not. It's not their fault. Let's face facts. There is tons of fraud related to the PTC industry and I don't blame PP for wanting to distance themselves from it.

However, most of the other PTC sites have simply moved on and have begun accepting Payza, Skrill, STP, Payoneer, and others.

I set up a Payza account and it seems like it won't be big issue at all to conduct payments for advertising using them. I can transfer revenue to my bank account just the same, so I don't see the issue.

NeoBux is going to continue business as usual, and as far as I can tell, so are most of the other top PTC sites.

For the life of me, though, I cannot understand why ClixSense would eliminate it's PTC model. That doesn't make any sense at all to me. Yes, they claim that their "task completion" and "survey" features have overtaken their PTC revenue, but I just can't believe that.

Hey, maybe I'm wrong.

Now, I know a lot of you probably won't be affected by this or even care about it, but I bet there are quite a few of you who are using PTC sites to build your list. I'm not going to drop any names, but I know a couple of pretty successful marketers who use ClixSense and NeoBux regularly for traffic to pad their lists.

I would love to get your read on the situation. Specifically, do you think that this is the beginning of the end of PTC, or do you think that it will go on?

I'd really love to hear some different view points. And please, no one sentence replies like "that traffic is a joke," or "I'd never use that traffic," etc.

Add a little substance to your reply and tell us why or why not you think this is going to hurt the PTC industry as a whole.

Looking forward to your responses
#dinosaur #ptc #sites
  • Profile picture of the author ryanbiddulph
    I feel it should NB Only because we are evolving out of lower energy ways to make money online, toward higher energy ways of rendering useful service to make our bread/dough/cash.

    Hey; this is coming from a guy who was making around $4000 some months through paid guest posting, but I was placing guesties on lower energy, generic sites. Yep; the guest posting Google hated, and eventually outlawed from its search results.

    As it should have. All part of evolving. I never complained either because when I dove into that form of guest posting the articles I wrote were super helpful yet in the same regard, I was quite a different guy from the blogger I became a 2 years later, when Google penalized low quality guest posting.

    I let go that guest posting income stream - had to - 3 years ago and grew like a weed because of it, never looking back, rendering useful service.

    Cool post.
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    • Profile picture of the author nicheblogger75
      Originally Posted by ryanbiddulph View Post

      I feel it should NB Only because we are evolving out of lower energy ways to make money online, toward higher energy ways of rendering useful service to make our bread/dough/cash.

      Hey; this is coming from a guy who was making around $4000 some months through paid guest posting, but I was placing guesties on lower energy, generic sites. Yep; the guest posting Google hated, and eventually outlawed from its search results.

      As it should have. All part of evolving. I never complained either because when I dove into that form of guest posting the articles I wrote were super helpful yet in the same regard, I was quite a different guy from the blogger I became a 2 years later, when Google penalized low quality guest posting.

      I let go that guest posting income stream - had to - 3 years ago and grew like a weed because of it, never looking back, rendering useful service.

      Cool post.
      I don't really think guest posting is done, though. I do guest posts for a few different MMO blogs, and several of the posts I've made are ranked on page 1 for some pretty good keywords. In fact, I have a product review guest post that ranks #1 for the product name + review.

      I also have a few marketers who pay me to guest post on one of my blogs, and all of their posts are ranked.

      I agree with what you are saying about adapting, but Google can't really ever stop guest posting, because in reality they really have no way of knowing that it's a guest post. In other words, unless you actually label the post as "a guest post by such and such," they have no way of knowing. I guess that's what I mean by adapting.

      I guess what I'm really asking when it comes to PTC is whether or not the loss of PayPal as a payment processor will completely devastate the entire industry.

      I was surprised to see that even PPC sites such as Adhitz, which I've used to add thousands of subscribers to my list, is no longer accepting PayPal. I'm guessing that could be because Adhitz does a lot of advertising on PTC sites.

      After I wrote this post this morning I did some advertising on some PTC sites and bought some ads on Adhitz and used Payza and I achieved the same results I always used to get.

      I'm thinking now that the PTC business is just too big and will never stop working. I think the only result of this change is that processors like Payza and Solid Trust Pay are going to be picking up hundreds of thousands of dollars in new business.

      At any rate, I agree with you that the industry will need to adapt, but I'm​ of the opinion now that it won't be going anywhere anytime soon.

      It also makes me think that when a single company can make a decision that could potentially destroy an entire industry, that company probably has a little too much power.

      It's like Google and the guest posting thing. It makes me a little bit angry that one company can make a declaration and in doing so can destroy the income of thousands of people.

      This is definitely not what the original creators of the Internet ever intended. The Internet was meant to be an open forum for everybody to make it what they wanted it to be. I fear the day that a few companies can make decisions that affect the entire landscape of the Internet. The scary thing is if you think about it, that day has already arrived.

      It's too bad. You shouldn't ever have to "adapt or die" when it comes to the Internet. It should be a free space where everyone has their own autonomy. It should never be "owned" by a handful of large companies.

      While there have been many great improvements to the Internet in the last 20 years, there have also been a lot of detriments.
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  • Profile picture of the author ChrisBa
    I've never really dived into ptc sites as it just looks like it could lead to a fair bit of fraud and other nasty things. It's too bad about PayPal doing this, i guess this is another "adapt or die" situations or even evolutions.
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  • Profile picture of the author spartan14
    I am thinking to try this strategy .I found in a program this startegy where you can buy advertsiemnet very cheap and it converts because people are tired to work for pennies on ptc sites and this its targeted audienece
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  • Profile picture of the author discrat
    Hey Chris,
    As usual great insight and thanks for sharing.

    I think like anything the PTC industry is not over by a long shot. If there is money to be made in it ( and there seems to be) people will adapt to any new chnages and still exploit the heck out of it. Which is a good thing.




    Originally Posted by nicheblogger75 View Post


    It's too bad. You shouldn't ever have to "adapt or die" when it comes to the Internet. It should be a free space where everyone has their own autonomy. It should never be "owned" by a handful of large companies.
    Chris, I know what you mean. But in all honesty, this Notion transcend everything in life.
    Not jut the internet or business but the way we live life in general .

    It is said so much where it seems cliche now but the reason why is because it's the Truth.
    I was reading an article recently about one of those people who got acid thrown in their face in a crime and was horrifically disfigured. The interviewer asked the man how did he keep going. And he said it was either he adapt to his new face or lay in his bed and wither away and die.
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  • Profile picture of the author cjshu99
    As someone who had a ptc site, In my experience the people there are happy to click away for pennies and do not spend money. So if you have thousands of members who don't spend what good is that? I know of a few big players that went offline who were in this position.
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