How will Google Wave impact your website?

[Preneuraholic]

BTW I'm not new here but I couldn't log in and needed to re-register. I used to be Bizdev...

I've been trying to figure out how Google Wave can be used as a marketing tool or as an add on to a website. Hard to do that when it's not up and running yet. Anyone out there with any early insight?

I'll be launching a new website (Preneuraholics.com) in a few weeks and hope to make use of Google's latest offering.

From what I've read it seems that it could make forums like this one obsolete by allowing real time conversations to take place on your own website.

Thoughts?

[BradCarroll]

Originally Posted by Preneuraholic

From what I've read it seems that it could make forums like this one obsolete by allowing real time conversations to take place on your own website.

Thoughts?

Chat rooms have been around since well before Warrior Forum. Until the singularity hits, my bet is that we'll still have Warrior Forum and plenty of other forums around for a while.

[Preneuraholic]

I haven't seen much discussion here about Google Wave. I would think warriors would be all over this. For those not familiar with the concept:

A wave is equal parts conversation and document. People can communicate and work together with richly formatted text, photos, videos, maps, and more.
A wave is shared. Any participant can reply anywhere in the message, edit the content and add participants at any point in the process. Then playback lets anyone rewind the wave to see who said what and when.
A wave is live. With live transmission as you type, participants on a wave can have faster conversations, see edits and interact with extensions in real-time.

You will also be able to embed a "wave" in any website. It's scheduled to be available to the public early 2010.

I'm interested to hear Warriors' thoughts on this.

[kevinpotts]

For the video that I saw you can post a comment in someones blog and if that person is online and replays a conversation will begin in the blog... it looks great but as you said, we can't really know untill we have it in our hands... or our computers.

Kevin

[Preneuraholic]

Google also claims that Wave will replace email, saying today's email is snail mail on computers. At least with current email systems it's not instantaneous, as Wave is. Viewers can read as you're typing (if I understand correctly) in Wave so there's no deleting and taking your time to be sure you're not being offensive. I have to stop and edit myself constantly (and still manage to get in trouble). Sometimes faster isn't necessarily better.

[scarfeet]

Anyone has any google wave invitations to offer?

[Josh Gould]

Originally Posted by Preneuraholic

Viewers can read as you're typing (if I understand correctly) in Wave so there's no deleting and taking your time to be sure you're not being offensive. I have to stop and edit myself constantly (and still manage to get in trouble). Sometimes faster isn't necessarily better.

I haven't watched the Google I/O presentation in awhile but if I remember right there was a box you could check (or uncheck) that would stop them from seeing what you're typing, while you're typing.

[avenuegirl]

Originally Posted by Preneuraholic

Google also claims that Wave will replace email, saying today's email is snail mail on computers. At least with current email systems it's not instantaneous, as Wave is. Viewers can read as you're typing (if I understand correctly) in Wave so there's no deleting and taking your time to be sure you're not being offensive. I have to stop and edit myself constantly (and still manage to get in trouble). Sometimes faster isn't necessarily better.

I don't think I'd like not being able to hit the backspace before I send. I get a bit goofy at times (like you still manage to get into trouble) and need to delete things and rewrite them.

If I need live fast conversation I have skype video chat for that - or a phone of course.

[ppcpimp]

Invites are out so we will see relatively soon.

[Preneuraholic]

I hear they're auctioning invitations on ebay.

[Mike Anthony]

Originally Posted by scarfeet

Anyone has any google wave invitations to offer?

I'm in line but haven't received one yet. I'm just hoping Google doesn't think they can put the wave in the sidewiki.

[kendrickyi]

About Google Wave

This is an extremely looooooooong video about what wave is about. QUite impressive really, but I find it hard to keep up with technology. @_@

I think wave would be a good tool when it comes to communicating with JV partners but not so much for something like, say, generating traffic for your website?

I could be wrong though. I know that people are developing apps for wave.

[5starAffiliatePrograms]

I admit I haven't tuned in too much to the Wave buzz yet, so maybe I don't quite get it.

HOWEVER as someone who runs a forum and blog, I already spend much of my day dealing with spam and self promotion. I have to wonder if Wave will create the need for us all to be in constant moderation mode on our sites???

[sbucciarel]

Originally Posted by 5starAffiliatePrograms

I admit I haven't tuned in too much to the Wave buzz yet, so maybe I don't quite get it.

HOWEVER as someone who runs a forum and blog, I already spend much of my day dealing with spam and self promotion. I have to wonder if Wave will create the need for us all to be in constant moderation mode on our sites???

Of course we will or constant blocking of Google's presence on our websites. Just the question raised here about what Warrior's think of the possibilities means that people will spam it to death, like they spam Craig's List, Twitter, Hub Pages, Squidoo, Facebook, Myspace ... any place they can.

[5starAffiliatePrograms]

Ya, that's what I was afraid of.

[Ralf Skirr]

Originally Posted by scarfeet

Anyone has any google wave invitations to offer?

They seem to be rare.

I signed up with several emails and did not get any yet.
:-)

Ralf

[Eric Graudins]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Just the question raised here about what Warrior's think of the possibilities means that people will spam it to death, like they spam Craig's List, Twitter, Hub Pages, Squidoo, Facebook, Myspace ... any place they can.

Of course it will be spammed to death.
Just like any new technology that holds the remotest possibility of being used to generate a few cents somehow. Anyhow.

[tecHead]

Personally, I kinna like the idea of gWave for its inherent possibilities regarding the proliferation of customized communications. Kinna goes along with the Smart Site Optimization idea and Event Based Marketing.

I can immediately see enhancements to the traditional customer service channels; such as FAQ's and Support Tickets. You could enhance the old FAQ model with FAQaves; live and ever expanding wikipedia style FAQ's with videos, PDFs and other rich media attached.

For those in the service(s) industry; keeping track of individual customer projects would be a breeze and manageable.

For those off-shore buffs; I can definitely see poker sites being expanded upon. Not to mention the ever vigilant sex industry; private orgy wave, anyone? LOL

With the ability to create and add bots to waves; I'm sure there will be attempts at spam, but since each wave is primarily started and maintained by an individual who can control who has access... spamming is gonna prove kinna hard.

Although the viral implications are interesting; beach balls.

All-in-all, even though I've never been a Google fan, I'm pretty excited about gWave.

PLP,
tecHead

[jshosho]

I think that the wave will be a lot of help to webmasters right at the beginning but after about 6-12 months it will be considered useless because people just spam spam spam all over the place. Just like twitter, if you don't have loyal followers then nobody will click on your link.

[netkid]

From what I saw on the WAVE intro video, it is a total collaboration tool which can simultaneously operate on all operating systems and send and receive emails, live chat, send photos in real time, access slide shows, word docs, connect live into all social media sites, etc. I was exhausted by the time the video ended.

In the end, I think it completes all of the functions of an operating system with internet connectivity and could very well replace any third party operating system (i.e Microsoft) and accessories.

All you would need is a Linux computer with internet access with no third party programs for word processing, spreadsheet, etc. It would all be accessable through Google.

Bruce

[James Pateman]

I've read a few 1000 words about Wave (some from the creator of Wave), and from what I've leaned from the conversation is there is nothing to fear. The purpose of wave is more connectivity, and that is the point. The www puts everyone in contact with everyone. Only those with an established (and protected) channel of communication need be concerned. If you are really adding value, and valuable content, then you need not worry. Although, if you are just an aggregator, or a facilitator of the value that others bring, then you might well be concerned. With Wave, the low hanging fruit might have just got a little higher, and pigging-backing off the genuine contributors might just be a little harder. All looks good to me.

regards,
James Pateman

[designfuschion]

Originally Posted by netkid

All you would need is a Linux computer with internet access with no third party programs for word processing, spreadsheet, etc. It would all be accessable through Google.

Bruce

That is exactly what i'm afraid of. It's just another step in google's plan to accumulate every piece of data on everyone possible.

I for one won't be using it.

From the looks of things, there is this evolution of trying to centralise all data on the internet. Maybe,just maybe the future of the internet might be..people /developers will eventually set up private networks outside of google. Whether its facebook and the like developing more comprehensive functions similar to wave to compete..but possibly smaller operations.
I know there are vpn's..and possibly it will work along those lines..

..It's just a thought.

I wonder if one day our kids will wake up and think "I wonder what it was like to access anything i wanted?".

The scary thing with letting 1 company know too much about us,is the freedom to choose products will be limited to a few. The chosen products by google becuase ads will be so highly targeted that it's not really choice. (lets face it,alot of things marketed, a need or want is generated to get people to purchase,or to accept that becuase everyone else has the product you need it too)
...then again if that comes to pass..our kids won't be thinking "where did choice go?".
Then, what is stopping google selling this info to other big corporates willing to pay for this highly targeted demographic information?

Sure as im'ers we need this info as well..but its not just customers getting targeted..IM'ers aren't the exception.

Not sure how quickly wave/sidewiki will catch on..and become mainstream but i will be ensuring that what products i deliver will be the best i can offer. Not only that but building investments (a real estate portfolio mainly) so that IM won't be the only source of income whilst still achieving financial sucess.


my 2cents worth.
apologies if my thoughts are not clear enough.

[tracelemental]

Google Wave

If the Warrior Forum was run using Google Wave it would be
- private hosted and therefore member based
- allow for collaboration within a conversation / wave including full "playback" when others entered the wave.
- allow for moderation

As a Google Wave user, you could have your Warrior Forum wave inside your own console along with all the other wave's you are involved in. You'd see immediate changes to any Waves that you where involved in.

Private waves are not accessible by Google.

I've been keeping my ears open since it was announced and have connected with a developer so I'm expecting my Wave invite any day soon.

I've also been looking into monetization of Google Wave and have put into place a number of things as part of a long term plan. Once I get Google Wave I'll be aiming to create some informational products for sale.

I'll post more on the forum over the next few weeks especially relating to potential products and impacts on the internet marketing world

[mayapearl]

Originally Posted by sbucciarel

Of course we will or constant blocking of Google's presence on our websites. Just the question raised here about what Warrior's think of the possibilities means that people will spam it to death, like they spam Craig's List, Twitter, Hub Pages, Squidoo, Facebook, Myspace ... any place they can.

Hey, I agree, spammers can and will make it unpleasant.
Another thing to get my head around, don't want to knock it yet it could be awesome!
Maya

[designfuschion]

Originally Posted by tracelemental

Private waves are not accessible by Google.

ok,interesting. I didn't know this.

Thing is, I don't see what's wrong with forums. The only thing with a wave is the speed. I'd like to be able to delete things and edit. unless i'm wrong on this too.


Will the wave surpass and replace forums?

[tracelemental]

I'm pretty sure you can write in "private" mode ... ie make it visible to others in the wave at your discretion. Because it provides full document mark up functionality your changes could be traced but I'm thinking, like word mark ups, you could remove previous edits.

One of the best articles I read was from a journo who explained how his work would benefit from it. It was based on the publication - I think it was Chicago Sun Times, hosting the Wave app/server side that allowed him to create his articles, when he was ready, drop his editor into the post giving him access to the info - once the editor was happy, they drop the Publishing Robot into the wave and it published directly onto the Website. He saw it reducing alot of to'ing and fro'ing etc.

We've probably over engineered some other applications around us to cater for lack of true collaborative tools.

The other side of this is BUSINESS / CORPORATE ... which for some is where Google is aiming next, to get more into this avenue and make sales for addons/robots etc.

Google Wave thru your current Google Account will be public and accessible by Google. But many privately hosted waves will not.

[designfuschion]

Originally Posted by tracelemental

Google Wave thru your current Google Account will be public and accessible by Google. But many privately hosted waves will not.

Thanks!

I'm now intrigued as to the type of applications that could be developed from this.

[Becuase while i ranted earlier(I have got to stop posting at 1am! lol)..at the end of the day there are just some things that can't or won't change. Might as well adapt and profit off it. So long as it doesn't involve sidewiki. LOL]

[Smokey_Joe]

Oh the notorious sidewiki

I still believe it's still pretty early to make any conclusions or draw perspectives - as soon as we have at least seen Wave out in beta (you know what beta is to google, after all). I seriously wouldn't like to give in to the hype of what Wave might be. I do welcome effort directed at making the web a better place, but I'll only start using Wave as soon as it is out and functioning.

[netkid]

What I am going to like about WAVE is the expansion of the "Friend Connect" feature which is expected to blow away Twitter and Facebook, etc., as the dominant social network site. The possibility to monetize it by tactful introduction of your product or service is going to be huge.

I agree that we cannot make any prejudgements against what Sidewiki and WAVE is going to end up, but be open to the possibilities.

I am not endorsing Google in any way other than being open to the possiblities.

Regards,

Bruce

[tracelemental]

It looks like Google are beginning to implement some tweeks to Google Friends Connect which will be part of the integration with Google Wave.

There is alot of hype about Google Wave invites going on at the moment. My source, who has had developer access since May says that Google has yet to send out any other non-developer invites/access at this stage.

The hype out there is growing with some sites purporting to have 3,000+ invites available. hmmm ...

My intention with beta access is to begin developing some products for building subscriber lists, which is very tricky without having access to the product.

watch this space

[magentawave]

Originally Posted by tracelemental

It looks like Google are beginning to implement some tweeks to Google Friends Connect which will be part of the integration with Google Wave.

There is alot of hype about Google Wave invites going on at the moment. My source, who has had developer access since May says that Google has yet to send out any other non-developer invites/access at this stage.

The hype out there is growing with some sites purporting to have 3,000+ invites available. hmmm ...

My intention with beta access is to begin developing some products for building subscriber lists, which is very tricky without having access to the product.

watch this space

Any updates with what you're doing with Google Wave?

Steve

[MJGrae]

I could see the wave as being used as a sort of teaching tool. Obviously it's meant for clear, clean, descriptive chatting. I'm sure a few coaches out there will find some odd use for it.

[allthesp]

I am more scared of Google Wave then anything.

The freedom and power, jeez oh my.

[TommyBussey]

Haha I actually used the Google Lab on my Gmail that lets you "Undo" a "Send E-mail" because I def screw up to many times for people to be seeing what I'm typing as I'm typing it! That's just a scary thought for the good of the general public

Google Video/Chat and my cell are good enough real time for me.

Originally Posted by avenuegirl

I don't think I'd like not being able to hit the backspace before I send. I get a bit goofy at times (like you still manage to get into trouble) and need to delete things and rewrite them.

If I need live fast conversation I have skype video chat for that - or a phone of course.

[MarshallWayne]

I agree about the seeing the typing as I'm typing it. Too often I'll write something, realize it's not the direction I want the conversation to go, and then I backspace to write something different.

[kurtlehmann]

Its interesting. Maybe moving email to real time conversation would be a good thing? How much time do we waste rethinking - retyping our emails? Conversations are much quicker. I think the fear with an email is that they read it and are confused and you dont get to explain - in a real time email conversation they could ask you to explain. Food for thought

[kurtlehmann]

PS. Is anyone a member that can invite me? I am really looking forward to trying it out.

[troy23]

As a developer I don't think it will have much use in the internet marketing world.

[Pat Ordenes]

let me know if anyone needs invites...
I think I should share.
It's pretty boring when there's not many peeps on!

[BigRedNotebook]

If you have an invite to spare, I'd love one.
Hate to be a beggar, but I thought it might be worth dropping you a line.

Carson Brackney

[MizzCindy]

I 'get it' - in a big picture sort of way - but I'm having a tough time wrapping my head around how this will really work. I think the success/failure of google wave will depend almost entirely upon ease of use.

If, once users log on, it's fairly straight-forward and at least as easy as existing applications, then it could take off. If it has an onerous learning curve, then I can see people giving it a pass.

Another thing is integration. If google wave can be integrated into already familiar concepts/properties/sites/etc., then it's more likely to take off.

If lots of folks start using it, you can bet your bippy marketers will figure out a way to exploit it, too.

Cindy

[JNFerree]

Originally Posted by scarfeet

Anyone has any google wave invitations to offer?

Hey scarfeet,

I sent a few gWave invites to a couple of WF ppl (yesterday) but for some reason, they've not yet received them yet?

I inquired how long this process take on the gWave help Forum but haven't heard back yet.

I posted a brief gWave entry on my Blog where you can get an invite.

-Neil

[JNFerree]

The Complete Guide to Google Wave

If you're as interested in gWave as I am, you will find this site very useful.

DisclaimerThis is an unofficial guide to Wave written by a community of contributors and edited by Gina Trapani with Adam Pash. This guide is not published by or affiliated with Google, Inc.—we're regular users, just like you are. (But Google Wave is a trademark of Google)

[justinw]

Not really convinced by it at the moment. I can certainly see the potential for collaborating on documents and the like but cant figure out how I might be able to monetize it.

Anyway if anyone wants to wave and discuss it further feel free to add me: justinw1970 at googlewave.com

[asianlunatic]

Originally Posted by hotcash

Honestly I had no idea about it- from what i hear and read it sucks. Communication needs to be bounded like anything else. I feel that forums provide the best, safest and a great moderated community where people can interact. This wave thing is already overwhelming me - its a bit too much. We need some space to breath and forums are great on this scale!

No, Google Wave is just plain AWESOME !! Just got in, and like WOW !!

Suthan M
p/s- If you're in there-- add me at suthan@googlewave.com and lets talk real time !!

[JNFerree]

Originally Posted by 5starAffiliatePrograms

I admit I haven't tuned in too much to the Wave buzz yet, so maybe I don't quite get it.

HOWEVER as someone who runs a forum and blog, I already spend much of my day dealing with spam and self promotion. I have to wonder if Wave will create the need for us all to be in constant moderation mode on our sites???

Great point Linda! I've been reading the Complete Guide to gWave to find out if there's an existing Extension that gives the Wave creator the ability to approve access to a Wave so as to keep the riff raff from corrupting the flow of useful info in the Wave, but I've not come across it just yet?

I'm sure this feature/function will show up on my radar soon, but if you happen to come across it, sure would appreciate a pointer.

~ Neil

[JNFerree]

Originally Posted by asianlunatic

No, Google Wave is just plain AWESOME !! Just got in, and like WOW !!

Suthan M
p/s- If you're in there-- add me at suthan@googlewave.com and lets talk real time !!

Hey Suthan,

I've been kinda stingy with sending out gWave invites and adding new ppl to my Wavelets, but I suspect you're profile would be a good addition.

I'll add you to my Wave and you can reciprocate if you're up for it.
neil.ferree@googlewave.com

PS: I've only added a couple of extensions, some have been slow to process - are you finding the same thing? Also, which source do you reference to get the latest news on gWave (besides Mashable)

[Fabian Tan]

Been learning more about this...basically it's Wikipedia for software, tools, apps, email and everything else. Insane.

On the one hand, there's technological progress. But on the other hand, it's another potential distraction. As the Internet gets more complicated, customers start becoming less loyal and become more impulsive. More choices might not be a good thing.

In the future, it may be more beneficial to spread thinner into different niches, marketing methods and spawn more different businesses rather than go too deep into any one niche, marketing method or business.

If everyone's having their mind in 100 places at the same time, a good marketer will want to be in those 100 places. Only the big Fortune 500 companies can stay in one place.

Adapt or die, as they say.

Fabian