Allen, Killer Idea For The Warrior Forum...

[Ron Douglas]

We all know that post count doesn't really mean much. I think what has a far more significant meaning is the number of Thank Yous you have. It's an indication of how much you've really helped people with your contributions to the forum.

I think there should be some type of special designation or reward for Warriors who reach 500 Thanks, 1,000 Thanks etc.

What do you think?

What should be the reward?

[Jack Bastide]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

We all know that post count doesn't really mean much. I think what has a far more significant meaning is the number of Thank Yous you have. It's an indication of how much you've really helped people with your contributions to the forum.

I think there should be some type of special designation or reward for Warriors who reach 500 Thanks, 1,000 Thanks etc.

What do you think?

What should be the reward?

Oh sure ...

You've been thanked 427 times so that why you want it

Jack

[Bill Farnham]

Ron,

As much as like seeing my name in posts I have to disagree on this one.

Imho, I have reason to believe that it would have the propensity to add a new level of gaming the system over time. This in turn could diminish the value of the thanks button.

But what do I know...

KJ

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

What do you think?

I think it wouldn't be too long before people started
getting their buddies to thank them every time they made a post.

[Jack Bastide]

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

Ron,

As much as like seeing my name in posts I have to disagree on this one.

Imho, I have reason to believe that it would have the propensity to add a new level of gaming the system over time. This in turn could diminish the value of the thanks button.

But what do I know...

KJ

yeah I could see people "Campaigning" for thanks :0

Jack

[Tom Brite]

People already ask their buddy's for thanks... ive seen loads of posts by newbies being thanked by other newbies when they didn't add anything.

Would be cool to turn them into stars or a coloured star or whatever as a 'prize'.

Then from a glance you could see peoples post count.

However i also am happy with the current system, it works!

Tom Brite

[Jack Bastide]

just gave you a thanks

would you like to thanks me for the thanks?

[Kay King]

I think it wouldn't be too long before people started
getting their buddies to thank them every time they made a post.

Right - and it's done now. There are also those who thank anyone who answers them, even if the answer is wrong.

Not everything has to be turned into a reward - some things like "thanks" are just showing good manners.

kay

[madison_avenue]

We'll get clogged up with too many OP threads which are there to "help" people but are really only there to glean thanks.

[Ron Douglas]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I think it wouldn't be too long before people started
getting their buddies to thank them every time they made a post.

Possibly. But were talking about a thousand Thanks. Your friends can only thank you once per post. Too much effort for the average scammer.

[dv8]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Right - and it's done now. There are also those who thank anyone who answers them, even if the answer is wrong.

Not everything has to be turned into a reward - some things like "thanks" are just showing good manners.

kay

EXACTLY.

It's already misused. I see people all of the time giving thanks for nothing.

[Marian Berghes]

You can do like some gaming forums I follow do.

Make achievements...like some medals or something, or some cool title that are different from the standard post-count ones...stuff like this.

[Ken Strong]

I don't think we need anything like this -- anyone who spends a bit of time here will make up their own minds about which Warriors they prefer to listen to. A codified awards system just makes things needlessly complicated and, as already noted, opens it up for all kinds of gaming.

[Ron Douglas]

Originally Posted by Marian Berghes

You can do like some gaming forums I follow do.

Make achievements...like some medals or something, or some cool title that are different from the standard post-count ones...stuff like this.

Yes, I agree - a cool title or designation. I think the benefit in terms of encouraging more helpful participation would far outweigh the downside from those gaming the system.

Hey, it's just an idea. If things are perfect the way they are then don't make any changes.

[Bill Farnham]

Originally Posted by Marian Berghes

You can do like some gaming forums I follow do.

Make achievements...like some medals or something, or some cool title that are different from the standard post-count ones...stuff like this.

How about something for the folks that hit the thanks button the most...




KJ

[George Wright]

Originally Posted by lgibbon

I think it wouldn't be too long before people started
getting their buddies to thank them every time they made a post.

Hey lgibbon,

As soon as I read the OP I said to myself, "Where's ligibbon when you need him?" LOL, And there you are. Next time I have a wish coming I'll say "Where is that million dollars I've been wanting?"

Good to see you,

George Wright

[Ron Douglas]

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

How about something for the folks that hit the thanks button the most...




KJ

LOL. There would only be a benefit to getting thanks not giving it.

[George Wright]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

Possibly. But were talking about a thousand Thanks. Your friends can only thank you once per post. Too much effort for the average scammer.

But not too much for the average spammer.

George Wright

[Martin Luxton]

Ron,

If you've been around for a while you know who to trust.

If you haven't, do some research and check out a person's posting history before handing over your credit card.

That is a far better system than a "Thanks Medal" because it's much harder to game. But, of course, research takes time and effort.

Martin

[Sumit Menon]

Well, hardly anyone ever hits the button. Most of them just say thanks in the post. So, its based on luck..

Sometimes you do, sometimes you don't. And I almost always check the no. of thanks before I take their say as authority. Like if George or you said something, I'm gonna believe it.

[Ron Douglas]

Ok, well maybe it's not a killer idea after all. No Thanks to you guys.

[Mukul Verma]

I think each person has to use there judgment, no matter what measure used, someone will find away around it (Example 30 posts, all you see is 'great idea', 'thanks' etc...)

I would like to see that instead of a thread having tonnes of people writing thanks (increasing posts) and not hitting the thanks button, that they hit the button.

[George Wright]

Originally Posted by Kay King

Right - and it's done now. There are also those who thank anyone who answers them, even if the answer is wrong.

Not everything has to be turned into a reward - some things like "thanks" are just showing good manners.

kay

Hi Kay,

I posted this before. But Pretty much say thanks to show manners. I have been "guilty" of thanking for posting an answer in my thread. Problem is when I ask a question I don't do it just for the sake of asking, I really don't know the answer so at the time I'm reaching a conclusion based on the cumulative answers and then my own research.

As I stated in another post,

I say thanks when you give me a good laugh, because I like to laugh.
I say thanks when you are helpful.
I say thanks when I see you helping someone else.

Among other reasons.

Thanks,

George Wright, P.S. To the OP, This is not a scientific study, however, in most cases, with the exception of Admin, Steven W, Paul Myers, etc. there is a direct formula between post count and thanks anyway. So in this case post count does matter. I'll stand corrected but I don't think there is one person with a high post count that doesn't have 5% to 10%+ thanks. Now here is another exception Someone who built a tremendous post count on the old forum where there was no thanks button and only has a relatively few posts on this new forum where the thanks button was started. For instance, Seasoned.

[Steven Wagenheim]

I don't know Ron...I've been thanked over 2,500 times and quite honestly,
I don't know what the hell for.

I've made posts with longwinded replies to complex questions that never
even got noticed and then turn around and get thanked for saying something
like, "I don't think that would be a good idea."

It's pretty meaningless if you ask me because the whole thing is so
subjective.

With some people, if you tell them something for their own good, even if it's
not popular, they're not going to want to hear it and the last thing you're
going to get is a thanks.

On the other hand, tell somebody what they want to hear, even if you
know that sugar coating it is not in their best interests and you'll get
thanked up the wazoo.

I personally put very little stock into the thanks system only because of
how I have seen it be abused and misused.

It's just not the accurate barometer that people think it is.

If you think I'm kidding, just look at some of the posts that get thanked.

It'll make you scratch your head in wonder.

[George Wright]

Sorry Steven,

I couldn't resist.

George Wright

[Mukul Verma]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

I don't know Ron...I've been thanked over 2,500 times and quite honestly,
I don't know what the hell for.

I've made posts with longwinded replies to complex questions that never
even got noticed and then turn around and get thanked for saying something
like, "I don't think that would be a good idea."

It's pretty meaningless if you ask me because the whole thing is so
subjective.

With some people, if you tell them something for their own good, even if it's
not popular, they're not going to want to hear it and the last thing you're
going to get is a thanks.

On the other hand, tell somebody what they want to hear, even if you
know that sugar coating it is not in their best interests and you'll get
thanked up the wazoo.

I personally put very little stock into the thanks system only because of
how I have seen it be abused and misused.

It's just not the accurate barometer that people think it is.

If you think I'm kidding, just look at some of the posts that get thanked.

It'll make you scratch your head in wonder.

Steve, I have thank you because you tell it bluntly and then back it up.

Is this a long winded reply?

[Martin Luxton]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

If you think I'm kidding, just look at some of the posts that get thanked.

It'll make you scratch your head in wonder.

A while back I was going to report a post for blatant self-promotion (a serial offender) but when I scrolled down I saw a load of "Thanks".

If that's what people want . . .

Martin

[Cryp]

Hmm what about moderated approved thank you's?

[dsmpublishing]

Hi guys i totally agree!!!

It is very important to look like you are contributing rather than having lots of posts. Look at the other make money online forums they just seem to post one line answers and have done with it and that is why me and many others love the warrior so much.

kind regards

sam
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[tomw]

Anyone that wants a pat on the back (or a lollipop!) every time they do a good deed should go call their mom.

The whole purpose of this place is altruistic reciprocity.

It's a business forum...not a kindergarten - coloured stars, indeed!

Tom

[Ron Douglas]

So let's get rid of the Thanks button all together. Nobody should want appreciation for helping others.

[TheWealthSquad]

I don't how hard it would be but I would to be able to quickly tell if I have thanked someone.

I do think any system that rewards people will quickly be gamed. Look at CPA networks and the ways to build links if you don't think people will develop systems to game the results.

There may already be a way but I would love to be able to mark someone as "Trusted" or "Verfied". Even if it is my own mark on them. Amazon provides "Real Name" if you have you real name associated with your profile.

I am sure it would take a lot of work on the admin's part to do that. So I depend on my own judgment and the advice that is given. Someone new to the Warrior's forum may be an expert at something but on their first post or even the first few months they may not have many posts or thank yous.

Experience and wisdom generally show through.

Just saw the comment on getting rid of the Thanks button. How about we use it to Thank someone for providing good information instead of posting a one line comment of "Thanks for the great information" Would make reading long posts much easier.

[Kirk Ward]

Originally Posted by tomw

Anyone that wants a pat on the back (or a lollipop!) every time they do a good deed should go call their mom.

The whole purpose of this place is altruistic reciprocity.

It's a business forum...not a kindergarten - coloured stars, indeed!

Tom

I have to agree totally Tom.

But then, I also have to say I really, really, want those thanks. Maybe I didn't get enough "strokes" when I was a kid, so as a really, really old coot, I need them now and it's too late to get any meaningful ones from my 91 y.o. mommy.

So, pooh on you.

Kirk
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[TheMagicShow]

Originally Posted by Ron Douglas

We all know that post count doesn't really mean much. I think what has a far more significant meaning is the number of Thank Yous you have. It's an indication of how much you've really helped people with your contributions to the forum.

I think there should be some type of special designation or reward for Warriors who reach 500 Thanks, 1,000 Thanks etc.

What do you think?

What should be the reward?

Hi Ron,

I have to disagree with this notion. Just because, someone has gazillion thanks doesn't mean... they are more worthy of anything, compared to warriors that don't have as many thanks.

The thank you system... is not always credible and tons of bias can play a role in it. There are tons of reputable warriors, that don't get as much thanks.

[Oscar D]

This is not a bad idea, but I would actually like to have a military ranking introduced instead.

Seeing that its called the Warrior Room don't you think we should have a War theme and have Military rankings? I know some other forums like the BlueHost forum did have Military rankings and I loved it.

Just my suggestion, what do you Warrior Members think of it?

[Bill Farnham]

Originally Posted by Oscar D

This is not a bad idea, but I would actually like to have a military ranking introduced instead.

Seeing that its called the Warrior Room don't you think we should have a War theme and have Military rankings? I know some other forums like the BlueHost forum did have Military rankings and I loved it.

Just my suggestion, what do you Warrior Members think of it?

OK, Oscar,

From now on you're officially a Space Cadet.

KJ

[Tsnyder]

Originally Posted by Jack Bastide

yeah I could see people "Campaigning" for thanks :0

Jack

Would something like this be too obnoxious?


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[Ron Douglas]

This thread is entertaining if nothing else LOL

[Kurt]

Hey Ron,

I agree. People bring up "gaming the system" like nothing can be done about it, or everyone will think "thanks" are the end-all measurement.

The truth is, I'll bet that a Warrior with 400 "thanks" has contributed more than someone with 30 thanks. This doesn't mean that the 400 Warrior is "better", only has made more of a contribution.

There's a lot that can be done to make gaming harder, like:
- You can only thank the same person every so often.
- You must thank ___ others before thanking the same person again.
- Thanks from "high thanked" Warriors count as more than 1 thank you.
- You only get a few thanks a day. Higher rated Warriors get more
- You must have 100 thanks from 100 different Warriors to qualify to get something

And to the argument about not needing to be "thanked"...This is kind of a selfish attitude, which seems to indicate it's all about "you" geting something...It can be about GIVING thanks, instead of receiving. Isn't this what "altruistic" really means? If someone helps me, I like being able to reward them is some small way.

[Oscar D]

Ha ha nice one, but if you don't mind I will prefer General Oscar D

Here are some ideas for Allen, now thats a lot of badges and they are so shiny

Now thats what I call rank!

Originally Posted by Killer Joe

OK, Oscar,

From now on you're officially a Space Cadet.

KJ

[LB]

The only problem I have with this is that a lot of "thanks" are given to "opinion posts".

There are often posts that are really nothing more than blog entries complaining about some evil "marketing" practice and everyone piles on the thanks. "Ya, I hate forced continuity!!!"

If everyone wants the system, I wouldn't care either way though.

[Martin Luxton]

Originally Posted by Kurt

There's a lot that can be done to make gaming harder, like:
- You can only thank the same person every so often.
- You must thank ___ others before thanking the same person again.
- Thanks from "high thanked" Warriors count as more than 1 thank you.
- You only get a few thanks a day. Higher rated Warriors get more
- You must have 100 thanks from 100 different Warriors to qualify to get something

Kurt,

That sounds a lot like Google's latest algorithm. Been doing a bit of reverse engineering?

Martin

[Matt Maiden]

I agree with George (Wright) that the thanks button is used for many other purposes not just recognizing when a post is very helpful.

Also agree with Martin (Luxton) that if you are going to use something here to help you figure out who to do business with then you should go into their profile and start reading their other posts.

I personally like seeing which of my posts people thought were helpful and it gives me a way of seeing where different groups are in the learning process.

Helps me see where I'm at too. "Was I on the wrong side of the fence on that one"? "I'm surprised that so many people agree with him".

When I have a certain view on something and then I see most of the people that I respect here all on the other side, then I reevaluate why I believe what I do and how I came up with my thinking on a subject.

Sometimes I see things their way and it helps to straighten me out and other times I have a deeper understanding of why I came to the conclusions that I did.

Kind of a compass to see if I'm with the marketing flow or not.

Matt

[lgibbon]

Originally Posted by Kurt

There's a lot that can be done to make gaming harder, like:
- You can only thank the same person every so often.
- You must thank ___ others before thanking the same person again.
- Thanks from "high thanked" Warriors count as more than 1 thank you.
- You only get a few thanks a day. Higher rated Warriors get more
- You must have 100 thanks from 100 different Warriors to qualify to get something

And there again, Allen could spend the time it would take to
put all that into effect, on something useful.