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Unread 8th October 2009, 09:50 AM   #1
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It seems like everyone wants to not have a "job" - Get away from the rat race and be independent and free...YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET, right?

Well, about a year and a half ago, I was able to do just that. I quit my job and would never again have a JOB - Or so I thought...

Fast forward 18 months and it appears that I'm RUNNING right back to what I left lol

I've been working for home as has my partner Don and we have done very well for ourselves. Enough so that our online income supports a total of 12 people directly.

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It appears that we are going to have to get a bit more organized which means an office in New York as well as an office here in Delaware as well with at least one employee in each office - DOH!

I was thinking about it...and isn't that exactly what I was trying to get away from?

What is YOUR take on that?

If given the choice will you grow your business to the point of HAVING to have employees or would you be content to just get to a certain point and call it a day?

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Ha, ha, ha...

That's IS the IRONY!

We get into Internet Marketing so that we can get out of the office.

Then, in order to grow the IM business, we need to get an office!

Did someone say that Internet Marketing is just another model of business?

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All you would be doing is adding another expense which you may not need to. I can understand it though because it makes you look more credible and you'll be able to do more things offline. But if you have the income to back yourself up I see no problem with it, you'll be able to have seminars locally or even travel around the country doing it once people see you have a brick mortar business they can see. What do you think?

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I'm kind of in the same boat Jeremy. I have been working at home full time for seven years now and am going absolutely stir crazy as a result. I miss the daily interaction with staff and all the hustle and activity that goes along with running an office with employees. Sigh...I just want to feel needed again.
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Gee I wish I had your problem Jeremy.

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I've always been my own boss for the most part - At least for the last 8 years or so anyway...

I've always been in commissioned sales which basically meant as long as I was doing numbers, I got to do whatever the hell I wanted

We have several VA's etc that do various tasks for us, but as the tasks get more important and the projects get larger, we don't really want to rely on someone thousands of miles away. With some of the things we are into now and some things that we are getting into it is our reputation on the line. So, the only way to be 100% certain that things get done the way we want is to either do them ourselves or to be able to have direct interaction with someone else who does it.

We don't really care about the "expenses" for employees or office space. For me, it is just a "game changer" in the sense that I won't be able to watch Entourage and the news all day lol I will actually have to get up, unlock and office, and make sure someone is on task.

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It's a bit ironic, because you run away from an office and now you it's strange getting back in there.

However, being your own boss is going to make all of the difference in my opinion.

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Mr. Kelsall,
I guess it's really how you look at it. I admire your business acumen and courage. I believe what the real difference is that when you had your job 1-1/2 years ago you were not in control of that situation. Now you have the chose not only to improve your salary, improve other peoples lives thru employment, but you also have the luxury of showing up to the office when you get ready to. That's what make America great. After having working for someone else for over twenty years this recession has taught me that the only things you can rely on is God and yourself not someone else's money making endeavor.


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Jeremy, if you dont mind me asking mate, I have two questions.

1. What business model do you follow? Selling infoproducts? Consulting? Marketing?
2. How many years passed before you started seeing any real sort of income materialise from your efforts?

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So does this means you're going to incorporate?

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Jeremy, if you dont mind me asking mate, I have two questions.

1. What business model do you follow? Selling infoproducts? Consulting? Marketing?
2. How many years passed before you started seeing any real sort of income materialise from your efforts?

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When I first started out my only business model was Article Marketing (some would say that isn't a model) Now, we sell info products in at least 5 different niches, do some coaching, some offline stuff, SEO work, some small consulting jobs with a few local companies etc...

Many would say that I got "lucky" I was actually making 2K a month within 45 days of even hearing about internet Marketing.

After I made my first dollar online - I knew I could make as much money as I wanted. All I had to do is see the first sale and it was game over for me.

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So does this means you're going to incorporate?
We will actually have 3 separate organized companies.

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Thanks Jeremy. I appreciate your response.

One last question If I may - do you focus on higher end products as opposed to $17 ebooks now, and if so, was that your intial strategy when first starting out?

As for the office - be sure to put a pinball machine and a table tennis table in there - will make it more fun

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Thanks Jeremy. I appreciate your response.

One last question If I may - do you focus on higher end products as opposed to $17 ebooks now, and if so, was that your intial strategy when first starting out?

As for the office - be sure to put a pinball machine and a table tennis table in there - will make it more fun
Other than our own "services" I would say that most of the other products that we sell are on the low/medium end of the price spectrum. Your typical e-book/software type products with average payouts etc...

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I don't think I would want to be "big" enough to need an outside office. I don't miss the interaction with staff, etc. I like wandering from my bedroom and plopping down in my computer chair and starting to work when I want to and leaving it when I want to. I don't really think I want other people depending on my success either, such as staff. I can outsource what I need to outsource without having to pay them and keep them productive forever.

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Maybe in reality what you really hated about the "JOB" wasn't the "RAT RACE"
but you hated the part of "Answering To Someone Else".

I think there are certain "negative" aspects of the concept of a JOB:
1. Working 40 + hours per week
2. Lack of Free Time
3. Answering To Someone else

When you have your own business, or even start one, there is the misconception (that everyone tries to sell) that it's going to be easy, and you will have freedom & you can work when you want too.

Well, it's the biggest BS that is pushed on to entrepreneurs. It's important to know that entrepreneurs MUST work harder, more ingenious, more creatively than they were at their own company. Also, to many, WORKING for yourself, after leaving their "JOB" is probably the first time they actually REALLY did some work. We all know that on the "JOB" it's not like you are always focused on just the job......c'mon get real.

When you work for yourself, and you allow yourself to have a certain vision, the only thing you can do is achieve that. Once that first vision is achieved, you create another one, & another one. This is why most entrepreneurs usually end up becoming serial entrepreneurs because it's NOT about the Hours, it's really about the fact that you can generate income & don't have to "Answer To Anyone."

Just think, on the job, someone is always asking & saying, "Why you late?", "Why wasn't this done on time?", "I was expecting better from you,", "You report to me",
"Have you met the deadlines?", "We have a meeting on this date," etc etc.

In owning your own business, it's not about the hours.......it's about answering to no one.

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We don't really care about the "expenses" for employees or office space. For me, it is just a "game changer" in the sense that I won't be able to watch Entourage and the news all day lol I will actually have to get up, unlock and office, and make sure someone is on task.
Dude, put a lazy boy and a flat screen in your office and a lock on the door. Hit the intercom every so often for updates.

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I don't think I would want to be "big" enough to need an outside office. I don't miss the interaction with staff, etc. I like wandering from my bedroom and plopping down in my computer chair and starting to work when I want to and leaving it when I want to. I don't really think I want other people depending on my success either, such as staff. I can outsource what I need to outsource without having to pay them and keep them productive forever.
YUP!

I love being at home. I get to play with my 4 year old all day long, watch entourage, maury, and Jerry Springer!

For us, it is kind of decision time though...

When I first started, I thought I would be more than happy just to make one sale a day. Then, I would be happy to make 30K a year - 6 months later, I would have been happy to make 100K a year...But, now it has kind of taken a life of its own, which means that we have 2 choices.

1. Be happy with our current level of income
2. Or grow

In the end, I have to grow. I have the opportunity to have something to leave to my children. If everything goes right...who knows, maybe they will never have a boss?

So, I've come to the conclusion that it would be selfish of me to be content and stay still.

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It seems like everyone wants to not have a "job" - Get away from the rat race and be independent and free...YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET, right?

Well, about a year and a half ago, I was able to do just that. I quit my job and would never again have a JOB - Or so I thought...

Fast forward 18 months and it appears that I'm RUNNING right back to what I left lol

I've been working for home as has my partner Don and we have done very well for ourselves. Enough so that our online income supports a total of 12 people directly.

BUT

It appears that we are going to have to get a bit more organized which means an office in New York as well as an office here in Delaware as well with at least one employee in each office - DOH!

I was thinking about it...and isn't that exactly what I was trying to get away from?

What is YOUR take on that?

If given the choice will you grow your business to the point of HAVING to have employees or would you be content to just get to a certain point and call it a day?
Sounds like the dichotomy of IM'ers to me, Jeremy - you are one of the top producers here in this forum -I look to you and others to lead and if you think that having an office is a good thing well always remember that you built your way out of a job and into an empire

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If your doing what you want to do, and gather fulfillment from how you spend the hours of the day, then who cares what you call it.
Though if your gut is telling you that your work is dragging you into a confinement that your not comfortable, then heed your gut. Take it from me..... your gut is there for a reason.

I've learned that the whole "work from home" thing is not all its made out to be. Sometimes its nice to be out and about amongst the mortals (though having a boss sucks!)

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One thing that I found valuable is the simple fact that being around others have sometimes sparked great ideas from things that they say without realizing. For example you can find out a lot of why things are selling or not selling by listening to your sales staff when they are on the phone. Collect all the good and bad things heard. Correct the flaws and promote the positive stuff. You'd be amazed as how minor corrections will increase profits and residual income. In another example a fellow co-worker and I were talking about something way off topic but he mentioned something completely unrelated but would work very well as an option for my business. Without that conversation/interaction I would have never thought of the idea. I'm sure you get what I'm talking about.

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YUP!

I love being at home. I get to play with my 4 year old all day long, watch entourage, maury, and Jerry Springer!

For us, it is kind of decision time though...

When I first started, I thought I would be more than happy just to make one sale a day. Then, I would be happy to make 30K a year - 6 months later, I would have been happy to make 100K a year...But, now it has kind of taken a life of its own, which means that we have 2 choices.

1. Be happy with our current level of income
2. Or grow

In the end, I have to grow. I have the opportunity to have something to leave to my children. If everything goes right...who knows, maybe they will never have a boss?

So, I've come to the conclusion that it would be selfish of me to be content and stay still.
Option #3:
3. Be happy and Grow

Where there is a will - there is a way, right?
Surely, there is someone who'd be HAPPY to go unlock the doors and supervise the 'lesser' chores....time to find a trustworthy manager to manage the required 'mortar' biz (which has your LZBoy and flatscreen of course) and you can be the Omni-present "Charlie" on the phone, let them deliver reports to you and only go in a day or two a week once you know they are doing things and taking care of biz.

I feel myself turning green....so excuse me a moment..
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It seems like everyone wants to not have a "job" - Get away from the rat race and be independent and free...YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET, right?

Well, about a year and a half ago, I was able to do just that. I quit my job and would never again have a JOB - Or so I thought...

Fast forward 18 months and it appears that I'm RUNNING right back to what I left lol

I've been working for home as has my partner Don and we have done very well for ourselves. Enough so that our online income supports a total of 12 people directly.

BUT

It appears that we are going to have to get a bit more organized which means an office in New York as well as an office here in Delaware as well with at least one employee in each office - DOH!

I was thinking about it...and isn't that exactly what I was trying to get away from?

What is YOUR take on that?

If given the choice will you grow your business to the point of HAVING to have employees or would you be content to just get to a certain point and call it a day?
I feel this way E V E R Y D A Y!! ...and I'm not even operating on a large scale as more popular IM gurus.

This is exactly why I'll never buy into the concept of a "4 hour work week." :rolleyes: Working from home requires just as much discipline, time management, and customer service as any brick and mortar job. The only difference is you're not tired to a desk or a nagging boss. (Unless of course you're beating yourself up for not getting something done... )

Despite its highs and lows, I don't wish to go back to the 9-5 grind, and neither do I wish to get to a point where my operations are so large that I'll need to staff tons of employees/freelancers/etc.

Instead, I work because I enjoy what I do, and in the meantime, I'm setting up multiple passive income streams so that I can completely remove myself from working altogether. That seems more appealing that a large-scale operation.
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It's far different to be the boss than it is to be the employee, Jeremy. You still get to set your own schedule and there is nothing saying you can't continue to work mostly from home and let your employee(s) handle the office.

Isn't having a boss what we were all trying to get away from?

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Jeremy,

The biggest difference is you call the shots this time and you and Don are at the top of the heap

Plus... you can go as far as you want to take it. Personally, I'm trying to make as much for my business as possible until I get to a certain income goal (money saved in the bank) before I'll consider slowing down.

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Stop your girly whining, Kelsall! Butch up and do it. Grow a pair. I bet Don isn't "conflicted" about this at all, is he? Nope. I bet right now he's standing behind you mouthing the word "pu**y" at the back of your head.

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Stop your girly whining, Kelsall! Butch up and do it. Grow a pair. I bet Don isn't "conflicted" about this at all, is he? Nope. I bet right now he's standing behind you mouthing the word "pu**y" at the back of your head.

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Here's a little input from the Mom point of view...

If you sacrifice time with your kids to make a bunch of money then are you really serving them? If you can grow your business and still carve out chunks of Dad time, and Husband time, then I would say you are one lucky guy.

If you start spending 60 hours a week in an office away from home, I would say you are a d**che bag.

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Yea, you're a dumb ass.

But that aside, I think you'll still be OK. As long as you hire a qualified person with a good work ethic, you should be fine, dude.

Go relax! Then come back with some more of those killer WSOs.

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Jeremy surely you just need to go back to the real reasons you wanted to be 'financially free' and quit your 'JOB'?

Then analyze those original reasons and see if you have got them and see if they are still there and achieved if you get an office and an employee!

If they arn't then its a bad move as you are then back tracking when you have come so far forward.

Plus Jeremy i know you work hard but i never hear about you actually enjoying life.... do you even go outside lol!

For example ive decided to go and enjoy life more so as soon as i decided that i went and hired 2 full time workers and now since then have a 9 day holiday booked with a friend, a hot air balloon trip booked for me and my mummy on tuesday, another trip to england for a week before i go on proper holiday so i can try and get my driving license again. Also going partying in a city near me on the 17th for the weekend and generally trying to enjoy life and my money as much as possible.

People think im crazy when i pull out $200 for a normal day out with them and then get home at the end and realize i only have some small change left. But that's what i call living life!

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Tom,

What is this "outside" of which you speak? It sounds like a wondrous and happy place. Can you give me directions?
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Nah, you're no dumb ass Darth Kelsall. One cannot grow their business beyond a certain size without contractor help and/or employees. The great thing about most businesses is that you can train others to run the whole thing for you, IF that's what you want.

So right now you're at the cross roads. You can choose to one day be a business owner versus being a business owner - worker. I had a hands free business for awhile and had four employees run the whole thing. But I missed the action. I missed the product creation, finding new ways to promote and market, and satisifying my competitive nature.

Besides, I missed hitting on my employees and having them talk about me behind my back at the water cooler. So it's good to be back!

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It won't be as bad as you think - you can actually do a hell of a lot remotely, if you hire the right people.

I've got offices here in town and in Lima, Peru...real offices, multiple employees, and I don't do much hands on management wise.

Put your system in place and don't be a micromanager and you'll find very little changes.

I prefer to keep working primarily from home and just make the rounds as needed.
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Jeremy,

You need to read Work The System.

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Jeremy, this is why when people tell me I could be doing better, I tell them
that I don't want to do better. I am happy with my life the way it is. I work
when I want, don't have to worry about "employees" or even "outsourcers"
complicating my life. I did try the outsource thing for a while, mostly on the
suggestions of people here, but after a while, it was just too much of a
hassle. And having employees? Never in a million years.

It's not for everybody. Some people just want to make a decent income
doing what they do, by themselves, and they're cool with that.

Today, I spend most of my time in the recording studio or playing video games.

That's the life I want.

And it works for me.

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I think I would do the same thing as you Jeremy. I would imagine at first I might find myself in the office quite a bit, but when you find the right people, and train them correctly, you won't need to be in the office so much. Just set goals and deadlines for your employees and keep all communication lines open. When things are running smoothly you probably won't need to actually physically be in the office more than once or twice a week, if that. Good luck!

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Nah, you got out of it because you wanted to be your own boss right?

Not really because you hated your job, but because you want to get paid what you think you are worth. This is what you are working for now.

In the future I want a stable normal job, it's not all about money, it's just about doing what you want.
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Hi Jeremy,

have you thought of letting others do all the heavy lifting and you concentrate on the marketing part of the business. This seem to be a great model (one I will be adapting myself).

I seem to totally eliminate the feeling of having a JOB.

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You must grow, Jeremy. Somebody needs to be penalized for being successful. It may as well be you. Besides, we need people like you to pay for the health insurance of the deadbeats who don't want to pay for it themselves.
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We all know that on the "JOB" it's not like you are always focused on just the job......c'mon get real.
Not to address anything else in your post but... this isn't true for everyone-- maybe you.

When I went to work in corporate America, I was always focused on my job unless I was on a break.

I am old school. I believe in going to work to work, not to socialize. I never had friends at work because they weren't the type of people I would befriend outside of work... I wasn't going to be friends with them simply because we worked at the same place. Talk about a shallow relationship.

But yes, some of us were focused on working. I give people what I would want people to give me AND what I give myself as I work for myself. Frankly, I probably give myself LESS... as I check foxnews.com way too much

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Alright Jeremy

Wow man I did not realise you were doing that well so quick into your IM adventure.

I made my first ever sale because of you guys, I have since moved forward and made a small amount online and am trying to build a business.

I am always going to keep a lookout to what you two come up with next.

Thanks Jeremy and Don.

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Jeremy - I see it as the STEP UP! You can make more money and you will still be IN CHARGE, this is the key!!

This isn't going back to a JOB this is running YOUR BUSINESS!

Good luck with the decision!

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Jeremy

You guys rock!!

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Jeremy,

Just my two cents for you as someone who has been down that same road (many, many times with different businesses)...

If you are able to be productive from home (and it sounds like you have been) you will most likely have one of the TWO things occur...

1. You'll get tired of going to an office (driving back and forth, minor maintenance stuff, etc.) and you'll find yourself eventually no longer going into the office and continue to work from home like you always have.

2. You'll continue to work from the office but your productivity will suffer. You'll have more distractions from being readily accessible (i.e. employees will bug you often whether you want them to or not) and ultimately you won't grow as fast as you could have if you were personally more productive.

Most entrepreneurs make HORRIBLE MANAGERS. We're creative IDEA people. Managing people (at all; even if it's just a little bit) is taking away from our gifts of being creative and thinking of new ideas and strategies to grow the business.

I know this firsthand. I've had an office before with a bunch of employees and quickly came to realize that I sucked as a manager. Well, okay, it wasn't quickly. It was probably after I lost a few million dollars in potential because I became a lot less productive.

You also have to consider your HAPPINESS. It sounds like you're really happy being around your family and having that 'be at home' lifestyle. Working from an office will probably not make you as happy, and that's something to really think about.

So I would strongly consider NOT opening an office. Personally, I think it's just a waste time, energy, and CASH. If you actually have team members that need to be supervised then you have the WRONG PEOPLE. A-players can kick ass and work from home on their own without supervision. Now certainly you may have the need for a team of people to work together on a regular basis to collaborate on projects - if that's the case, then 'maybe' get an office for them to work together. This could be the case for a software development team or possible an Operations center for support people and/or a sales group like a call center. BUT even if that's the case just get a Manager that will manage the group of people in the office.

GREAT EXAMPLE: Look at Eben Pagan. He has about 80 members on his team and they have NO OFFICE. Everyone works virtually. Yet they do over $20MM/year in revenue.

YOU are NOT a manager. That's not what is making you money. If you want to make more money you simply do more of what makes you money -- and that hasn't been managing people in an office. ;-)

Stay focused on that fact and it will help you make a lot more money and continue to grow.

Just my two cents. Hope some of that may have helped.

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Thanks for all the words everyone

You are honestly making the decision more difficult though lol

I really don't care to be in "charge" of anyone, really.

The need for an office is almost growing out of necessity.

If any of you have been a part of any of our training more than likely you have heard my "other" partner aka my 4 year old that already thinks he is an internet marketer lol

If he sees my headset go on...He is at his little desk in my home set up with his netbook "making videos" too. I think he has made an appearance in just about every video that i've ever done lol

Also, I would much rather jump on the trampoline with him or take him on the go-kart than pretty much anything else that needs to be done

Add into the mix the fact that I've recently been offered a couple of opportunities that I just didn't think were possible a year or so ago...This has made me realize that I have some somewhat difficult decisions to make.

I think in the end, I will hire one or two people here with me and my partner Don will do the same. Train them personally and then let the kind of man the office and only go there when I need to for productivity reasons.

Again, thanks for all the input.

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LMAO - Sounded like you were talking about Don when you mentioned your 4 year old.

Good luck, brother!

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I'm not there yet my ideal goal is to have a virtual office. It wouldn't matter to me if staff, assistants etc are 1000 miles away or 10' away if they're competent and their job is defined.

I know of online assistants now who live far away from their employer. They have assigned work and get it done.

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Jeremy,
I know the feeling, as my life has done much the same and I know once my business expands to a certain point (and should be at that point by the new year) I have no choice but to hire on employees (already have one in mind in fact). My plan....get a new house that has it's own seperate office. So I am still home, but I can still check into the "office" when I need. I started working from home because of my kids too, and I will never give that part up, and even now that I work "full time" I still make time to go out for lunch, play at the park, go on field trips with them etc, I will never expand my own business to a point I can no longer do that, otherwise I am right back where I was before, except this time I am the boss...

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Hey Jeremy,

Sylvia's post got me thinking - why don't you build an office onto your houe - then have your employees come there to work each day?

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p.s. Great job Sylvia - happiness with your family trumps just about anything dudnit?!

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I don't think I stated "everyone", but yes, you do have a point, it's not true for everyone, however, I guarantee a extremely high majority of people across multiple industries.

And YES, absolutely, I can admit & attest that I was one of them.

HOWEVER,
I used to be like you in corporate America, working my ass off, getting their early, staying late, ensuring ALL my work was on time.
But let me tell you something for all that hard work......
I did what was expected & overachieved, got unbelievable performance reviews.....
What was the result? Slow promotions, increases in pay that was less than the yearly U.S. inflation rate, working for people who had less leadership & managerial skills than myself, working for people with less education than myself.....
So, once I personally realized that the Work Hard, Focus On Work, Do A Great Job & You will receive success mentality was a bunch of B.S.... Why? Because I started researching a certain trend & my analysis came out correct.
Therefore, I started doing less, caring less, doing things the way I wanted to do them....
Suddenly, in "corporate America", I was advanced faster, was getting $10,000 style raises, at one point twice a year, being asked by executives to work for them, etc, was given what was "construed as more responsibility" -- but to me was easy & mind numbing work, & I took it all on & kept with a new look on corporate America.

Then it comes to a point where what you realize, what you are doing, you can do for yourself, all the skills you have, you can triple what your value is. And if you can package all that up & provide it as a service & product, you can instantly become successful.....

So, this may all be relative, I don't know, but in my experience that's what I saw & felt.

By The Way --- FoxNews can be extremely depressing & so negative.
Try CNN, & HLN, or even Lifetime.....You may then want to give "MORE" to yourself aftewards......


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Not to address anything else in your post but... this isn't true for everyone-- maybe you.

When I went to work in corporate America, I was always focused on my job unless I was on a break.

I am old school. I believe in going to work to work, not to socialize. I never had friends at work because they weren't the type of people I would befriend outside of work... I wasn't going to be friends with them simply because we worked at the same place. Talk about a shallow relationship.

But yes, some of us were focused on working. I give people what I would want people to give me AND what I give myself as I work for myself. Frankly, I probably give myself LESS... as I check foxnews.com way too much

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