Am I A Dumb Ass...Or What?

Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall by Jeremy Kelsall Posted: 10/08/2009
It seems like everyone wants to not have a "job" - Get away from the rat race and be independent and free...YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET, right?

Well, about a year and a half ago, I was able to do just that. I quit my job and would never again have a JOB - Or so I thought...

Fast forward 18 months and it appears that I'm RUNNING right back to what I left lol

I've been working for home as has my partner Don and we have done very well for ourselves. Enough so that our online income supports a total of 12 people directly.

BUT

It appears that we are going to have to get a bit more organized which means an office in New York as well as an office here in Delaware as well with at least one employee in each office - DOH!

I was thinking about it...and isn't that exactly what I was trying to get away from?

What is YOUR take on that?

If given the choice will you grow your business to the point of HAVING to have employees or would you be content to just get to a certain point and call it a day?
#assor #dumb

  • Profile picture of the author Joseph Then
    Joseph Then
    Ha, ha, ha...

    That's IS the IRONY!

    We get into Internet Marketing so that we can get out of the office.

    Then, in order to grow the IM business, we need to get an office!

    Did someone say that Internet Marketing is just another model of business?
  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    pheonix44
    All you would be doing is adding another expense which you may not need to. I can understand it though because it makes you look more credible and you'll be able to do more things offline. But if you have the income to back yourself up I see no problem with it, you'll be able to have seminars locally or even travel around the country doing it once people see you have a brick mortar business they can see. What do you think?
  • Profile picture of the author mattlaclear
    mattlaclear
    I'm kind of in the same boat Jeremy. I have been working at home full time for seven years now and am going absolutely stir crazy as a result. I miss the daily interaction with staff and all the hustle and activity that goes along with running an office with employees. Sigh...I just want to feel needed again.
  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    John Romaine
    Gee I wish I had your problem Jeremy.
  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Jeremy Kelsall
    I've always been my own boss for the most part - At least for the last 8 years or so anyway...

    I've always been in commissioned sales which basically meant as long as I was doing numbers, I got to do whatever the hell I wanted

    We have several VA's etc that do various tasks for us, but as the tasks get more important and the projects get larger, we don't really want to rely on someone thousands of miles away. With some of the things we are into now and some things that we are getting into it is our reputation on the line. So, the only way to be 100% certain that things get done the way we want is to either do them ourselves or to be able to have direct interaction with someone else who does it.

    We don't really care about the "expenses" for employees or office space. For me, it is just a "game changer" in the sense that I won't be able to watch Entourage and the news all day lol I will actually have to get up, unlock and office, and make sure someone is on task.
  • Profile picture of the author kevinfar
    kevinfar
    It's a bit ironic, because you run away from an office and now you it's strange getting back in there.

    However, being your own boss is going to make all of the difference in my opinion.
  • Profile picture of the author cadoutsource
    cadoutsource
    Mr. Kelsall,
    I guess it's really how you look at it. I admire your business acumen and courage. I believe what the real difference is that when you had your job 1-1/2 years ago you were not in control of that situation. Now you have the chose not only to improve your salary, improve other peoples lives thru employment, but you also have the luxury of showing up to the office when you get ready to. That's what make America great. After having working for someone else for over twenty years this recession has taught me that the only things you can rely on is God and yourself not someone else's money making endeavor.


    Keep up the good work!
  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    John Romaine
    Jeremy, if you dont mind me asking mate, I have two questions.

    1. What business model do you follow? Selling infoproducts? Consulting? Marketing?
    2. How many years passed before you started seeing any real sort of income materialise from your efforts?

    Thanks.
  • Profile picture of the author pheonix44
    pheonix44
    So does this means you're going to incorporate?
  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Jeremy Kelsall
    Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

    Jeremy, if you dont mind me asking mate, I have two questions.

    1. What business model do you follow? Selling infoproducts? Consulting? Marketing?
    2. How many years passed before you started seeing any real sort of income materialise from your efforts?

    Thanks.

    When I first started out my only business model was Article Marketing (some would say that isn't a model) Now, we sell info products in at least 5 different niches, do some coaching, some offline stuff, SEO work, some small consulting jobs with a few local companies etc...

    Many would say that I got "lucky" I was actually making 2K a month within 45 days of even hearing about internet Marketing.

    After I made my first dollar online - I knew I could make as much money as I wanted. All I had to do is see the first sale and it was game over for me.
  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Jeremy Kelsall
    Originally Posted by pheonix44 View Post

    So does this means you're going to incorporate?
    We will actually have 3 separate organized companies.
  • Profile picture of the author John Romaine
    John Romaine
    Thanks Jeremy. I appreciate your response.

    One last question If I may - do you focus on higher end products as opposed to $17 ebooks now, and if so, was that your intial strategy when first starting out?

    As for the office - be sure to put a pinball machine and a table tennis table in there - will make it more fun
  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Jeremy Kelsall
    Originally Posted by ramone_johnny View Post

    Thanks Jeremy. I appreciate your response.

    One last question If I may - do you focus on higher end products as opposed to $17 ebooks now, and if so, was that your intial strategy when first starting out?

    As for the office - be sure to put a pinball machine and a table tennis table in there - will make it more fun
    Other than our own "services" I would say that most of the other products that we sell are on the low/medium end of the price spectrum. Your typical e-book/software type products with average payouts etc...
  • Profile picture of the author sbucciarel
    sbucciarel
    I don't think I would want to be "big" enough to need an outside office. I don't miss the interaction with staff, etc. I like wandering from my bedroom and plopping down in my computer chair and starting to work when I want to and leaving it when I want to. I don't really think I want other people depending on my success either, such as staff. I can outsource what I need to outsource without having to pay them and keep them productive forever.
  • Profile picture of the author darrin_cooper
    darrin_cooper
    Maybe in reality what you really hated about the "JOB" wasn't the "RAT RACE"
    but you hated the part of "Answering To Someone Else".

    I think there are certain "negative" aspects of the concept of a JOB:
    1. Working 40 + hours per week
    2. Lack of Free Time
    3. Answering To Someone else

    When you have your own business, or even start one, there is the misconception (that everyone tries to sell) that it's going to be easy, and you will have freedom & you can work when you want too.

    Well, it's the biggest BS that is pushed on to entrepreneurs. It's important to know that entrepreneurs MUST work harder, more ingenious, more creatively than they were at their own company. Also, to many, WORKING for yourself, after leaving their "JOB" is probably the first time they actually REALLY did some work. We all know that on the "JOB" it's not like you are always focused on just the job......c'mon get real.

    When you work for yourself, and you allow yourself to have a certain vision, the only thing you can do is achieve that. Once that first vision is achieved, you create another one, & another one. This is why most entrepreneurs usually end up becoming serial entrepreneurs because it's NOT about the Hours, it's really about the fact that you can generate income & don't have to "Answer To Anyone."

    Just think, on the job, someone is always asking & saying, "Why you late?", "Why wasn't this done on time?", "I was expecting better from you,", "You report to me",
    "Have you met the deadlines?", "We have a meeting on this date," etc etc.

    In owning your own business, it's not about the hours.......it's about answering to no one.
  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    Lance K
    Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

    We don't really care about the "expenses" for employees or office space. For me, it is just a "game changer" in the sense that I won't be able to watch Entourage and the news all day lol I will actually have to get up, unlock and office, and make sure someone is on task.
    Dude, put a lazy boy and a flat screen in your office and a lock on the door. Hit the intercom every so often for updates.
  • Profile picture of the author Jeremy Kelsall
    Jeremy Kelsall
    Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

    I don't think I would want to be "big" enough to need an outside office. I don't miss the interaction with staff, etc. I like wandering from my bedroom and plopping down in my computer chair and starting to work when I want to and leaving it when I want to. I don't really think I want other people depending on my success either, such as staff. I can outsource what I need to outsource without having to pay them and keep them productive forever.
    YUP!

    I love being at home. I get to play with my 4 year old all day long, watch entourage, maury, and Jerry Springer!

    For us, it is kind of decision time though...

    When I first started, I thought I would be more than happy just to make one sale a day. Then, I would be happy to make 30K a year - 6 months later, I would have been happy to make 100K a year...But, now it has kind of taken a life of its own, which means that we have 2 choices.

    1. Be happy with our current level of income
    2. Or grow

    In the end, I have to grow. I have the opportunity to have something to leave to my children. If everything goes right...who knows, maybe they will never have a boss?

    So, I've come to the conclusion that it would be selfish of me to be content and stay still.
  • Profile picture of the author Neromancer
    Neromancer
    Originally Posted by Jeremy Kelsall View Post

    It seems like everyone wants to not have a "job" - Get away from the rat race and be independent and free...YEAH, THAT'S THE TICKET, right?

    Well, about a year and a half ago, I was able to do just that. I quit my job and would never again have a JOB - Or so I thought...

    Fast forward 18 months and it appears that I'm RUNNING right back to what I left lol

    I've been working for home as has my partner Don and we have done very well for ourselves. Enough so that our online income supports a total of 12 people directly.

    BUT

    It appears that we are going to have to get a bit more organized which means an office in New York as well as an office here in Delaware as well with at least one employee in each office - DOH!

    I was thinking about it...and isn't that exactly what I was trying to get away from?

    What is YOUR take on that?

    If given the choice will you grow your business to the point of HAVING to have employees or would you be content to just get to a certain point and call it a day?
    Sounds like the dichotomy of IM'ers to me, Jeremy - you are one of the top producers here in this forum -I look to you and others to lead and if you think that having an office is a good thing well always remember that you built your way out of a job and into an empire
  • Profile picture of the author Vital Video
    Vital Video
    If your doing what you want to do, and gather fulfillment from how you spend the hours of the day, then who cares what you call it.
    Though if your gut is telling you that your work is dragging you into a confinement that your not comfortable, then heed your gut. Take it from me..... your gut is there for a reason.

    I've learned that the whole "work from home" thing is not all its made out to be. Sometimes its nice to be out and about amongst the mortals (though having a boss sucks!)
  • Profile picture of the author turbohips
    turbohips
    One thing that I found valuable is the simple fact that being around others have sometimes sparked great ideas from things that they say without realizing. For example you can find out a lot of why things are selling or not selling by listening to your sales staff when they are on the phone. Collect all the good and bad things heard. Correct the flaws and promote the positive stuff. You'd be amazed as how minor corrections will increase profits and residual income. In another example a fellow co-worker and I were talking about something way off topic but he mentioned something completely unrelated but would work very well as an option for my business. Without that conversation/interaction I would have never thought of the idea. I'm sure you get what I'm talking about.

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