Overselling of PLR - What would you do?

Are you positive they have sold over their stated limit? Maybe they received a few refunds and are just cleaning up the last remaining copies...

Although it is hard to prove they have actually sold over the limit they stated Mike Filsaime once bought a product with Resell Rights and when it was evident there were more resellers than should have been Mike just gave the product away to everyone who wanted a copy.

BUT you do run the risk of alienating other purchasers of the product so I don't recommend that option entirely... On the flip side, a lot of people purchase resell rights to something and then never try to sell it.

Mike Hill

Hi Mike,

Now you're one of the good guys. I remember asking you (after it was sold out) whether you could sell me an extra copy to one of your PLR products and you stuck to your guns and said no. You rank high up there in my book in terms of principle and honesty.

Hmmm..let's just say the warrior mentioned that a certain amount of copies were left. Then about twice the amount of warriors came in posting that they made a purchase. I also made a purchase. And considering that PLR buyers tend to prefer to keep it low key, it's pretty logical that there will be a few other buyers who kept mum about their purchase.

Even with refunds, i think its pretty obvious that it's oversold.

Thanks for the story. Interesting, maybe I could just sell it for $1. =)

Alvin Huang

Were the PLR rights transferrable or non transferrable? If the former then everyone who bought it could sell PLR rights as well so that may give the appearance of lots of people with PLR rights to it.

You could contact said person and ask them if they have oversold it. It also dependso n how many people actually use the PLR too - if it is good you may find more than the normal amount of people are using it.

It may also be that some of the people who bought PLR are selling MRR to the unedited product (it happens to my PLR video sets all the time) in which case it isn't PLR.

I'd say make the product unique and still use it as a bonus - determine what it is missing, add that in and then you have an even better product!

Cheers

Jason

Alvin, putting your issue of overselling aside for a moment...

I'd still recommend that you take the PLR material and tweak it. If you edit it, give it a different name, make it look different, etc., it won't matter how many others bought the PLR.

And since you're using it as a bonus, even if the seller did only sell 50 licenses, that means there are potentially 50 others selling the exact same thing (if they don't edit). Which could lower the perceived value of your bonus.

PLR is PLR for a reason. If you're not going to "spin" it, you might as well just buy Resale Rights.

In my eyes, it just minimizes the credibility of the seller, and I might not buy from them next time...

Also, contacting the seller is good advice, especially if you're not 100% positive that they're overselling.

The love of money will turn a heart black, There are a lot of black hearts on the internet.

Tiptoeing around the perp will only allow them to continue.

Just my opinion.

Mike/bizaddy: The seller indirectly agreed that the limit has been hit. But because:

1) People are still requesting for it.
2) It's a great product and it'd benefit more people this
3) The warrior forum is but a small portion of the internet and it'd not affect the product much even if more PLR packages are sold

Hence he's continuing to sell it. And finds that it's not an issue.

Lance: Thanks for the tip. That's what I usually do. But due to time constrains for this, I couldn't do a revamp for this PLR straightaway and had to use it as it is.

Big Mike: Guess that's just how things works eh. Sure it happens, but to see a fellow warrior doing it, not even trying to hide it, but opening doing it with justifications that it's right is just a bit disappointing.

I agree that limits should be respected. Any limit is part of the value that is bought and sold.

But we also need to look at the exact wording...For example:

If you are one of the first 50 to order, you will also get my special report.

The way this is written really doesn't mean the offer for the special report is limited to the first 50 people. The only qualifier is the first 50 folks get the report, but buyer #75 could also get the report.

What Mike suggested is good. If it is confirmed that the product is oversold, approach the matter professionally. I am shocked to find out that many "respected" warriors looked very different from the outside (when they are in the public) but a totally different person when you deal with them privately (usually not as what they portray themselves to be).

Anyway, choose carefully whom you deal with and if the guy makes you lose your trust in him, stop dealing with him in the future.

I am one of those who bought the WSO but didn't post in that thread.

The exact wording of 25 limited licenses is correct and will not give rise to other interpretations.

While the product is good, I feel that limits should be respected because it is one of the reasons why some warriors bought it.

I have written to the seller asking for a refund and have removed the files from my harddisk.

Now awaiting for him to process my refund request...

Hmmmm, why can names not be named here?

OK, I'm an older guy, old school ethics (remember those?) and definately of the opinion that your reputation is the single most important assett you have in life.

It sounds as if there is no dispute that Warrior X has offered for sale a limited quantity of a product and then renaged on the deal by selling over that limit. According to posts in this thread he has admitted that he has.

Why should that Warrior receive the protection of anonimity in this case?

What he has done is at best - not in the spirit of the Warriors and at worst illegal.

I'm sure if I want to I can plough through WSO threads and find out for myself, but am I the only one here who feels that in a case like this it should be not only OK to name names but actualy a duty to do so.

I have also recently had some bad WSO experiences, I'm sure we all have, and I'm beginning to think that we should be sharing bad experiences as easily as we all share the good ones.

Warriors is a great resource and I'm voicing this constructively, simply because I want it to remain a great resource.

One other thing I find that is disturbing is that sometimes people will offer a wso for a plr product that "will only sell 50" and then have it re-posted a few months later. I have asked a seller once about that and they claimed it was for THAT wso posting and not for lifetime sales. I find that deceptive. Now I always check to assure they mean lifetime sales and not per wso listing.

Debbie

I have purchased a few PLR products that the seller
set a limited number but milked it for over one year,
right here on the WF.

I confronted the person and never got a response back
and they continued to sell it.

It's a good recipe to lose credibility and repeat business.

This happens all the time.

Most people don't say "Only x ever" and may just be making a small number available at the time the offer is running but intend to make more available later.

Some however say "only x ever" and mean it... others say that but don't really mean it.

Personally, I find it is not productive to worry about it at all...

Back when Joe Kumar offered only 30 PLR ever to his books I was one of the 30...

I was also the one who compiled a list of hundreds who he sold that too lying to us all.

I can tell you that if you intend to spend your life investigating overselling of licenses you are going to end up wasting away your years because there is no end to it...

Also it is not going to make you an ounce more money.

So these days though I do take note when people say "only x ever" and run the same WSO over and over and over for a year...

I spend less time worrying about it and more time making money off the license I purchased knowing that nearly every other person who purchased rights will not do a dang thing with the rights they purchased.

Its not the thing that makes you money its the marketing of the thing... being one of a limited group to own rights never made anyone money... selling the thing makes money.

Some of the best PLR I have ever purchased have been sold and resold claiming "only x ever" and though I think its not right to make such a claim if it is not meant... I don't obsess about it any more.

It don't make no one any more money to spend time obsessing about things that you cannot control... the only thing you can do is request a refund.

But if the PLR is good... it doesn't matter to me how many people buy it I will still make thousands off it and most of the rest will never get off their duffs and make a dime.

Heck even if PLR is offered unlimited... if its good quality I buy it and I can make a tone off it... I just don't use the copy and paste sales letter to do so.

There are warriors who offer limited quantities and mean it...

But I can also attest that very few who say that mean it. Also if you read deep enough most don't say "only x ever" most say something like "only x copies available in this wso" or "at this price." Most are not dumb enough to say such a thing like "only x ever" and sell you their sole.

Personally I think anyone who says "only x ever" needs to get their head checked... while I am greatful for the ones that do and mean it and I buy their offers... I think they are crazy to do so as its only short term money for them.

Back when I first got started online I purchased a few "only x ever" resale and PLR offers for $1k and higher. The numbers were limited to 30 or 50 or so.

The reason the high ticket price was worth it was the quality of the offer and the amount of money that could be made...

Now warriors are saying "only x ever" for so cheap that in order to make any money with that kind of business they need to constantly put out package after package.

My own rule of thumb these days is to ignore the claims "only x will be sold" and buy based on the quality and marketability.

Nothing else matters to me because I have no control over whether they actually stick to that or not.

There simply is no value at all in limited numbers... the value is in what you do with it.