Can I have a "review copy"?

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Im starting to see alot of these in the WSO section, I know it shouldn't but it's kinda getting on my nerves abit now.

I know lots of have been burnt before hence the request for a review copy but I'm sure most of not all WSO threads offer refunds?

Ask if they offer refund then buy, this is not DP!

If no review copies are availiable then move on, the WSO section is not a charity unless its a free WSO.

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  • Profile picture of the author gacott
    Originally Posted by michael_nguyen View Post

    Im starting to see alot of these in the WSO section, I know it shouldn't but it's kinda getting on my nerves abit now.

    I know lots of have been burnt before hence the request for a review copy but I'm sure most of not all WSO threads offer refunds?

    Ask if they offer refund then buy, this is not DP!

    If no review copies are availiable then move on, the WSO section is not a charity unless its a free WSO.

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    I can certainly appreciate what you have to say and agree that it should not be a charity. On the other hand, I think a good review can do wonders for sales, if by the right reviewer.

    So for me it's a case of review copies being made available to help the OP and sales, rather than somebody wanting to get a free ride.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Deja Vous. We had this discussion here about a week ago.

      One interesting answer was along the lines of:

      "Sure, you can have a review copy. I'll give it to you for $17 through the payment button below"


      Here is what can make it not an issue. Just get some reviews first on your product! It's not that hard!

      Are you really that greedy that you want everyone to pay for it? I just don't get it.

      Either post up that you are looking for some reviewers, or look for some people who have done reviews in the past and engage in conversation with them to see if they would have the time.

      I got several messages this week to review some materials. One person (not important who) has a graphics site and they were wanting to give me a credit somewhere on the site. So, I went to take a look to see what kind of service they were offering, and the images were quite lovely, but honestly I could not give a review unless this person had actually done something for me. I have no idea if they could deliver, how long it would take, how satisfied would I be with the service if I was a paying customer. So, if you are offering a specific service you should consider actually doing the service for a few people first.

      Other things I got, and I sent back my thoughts and criticisms and that was it.

      To get a review, you can request certain requirements of the reviewer.

      1. Be clear on what type of thing you want reviewed - ebook or service - and if it is an ebook provide what area of expertise it is about and how long it is. Sometimes I have 5 minutes for a 10 page report. Sometimes I have several hours for a book (had two of those this last week).

      2. Be clear on the requirements you are looking for from the reviewer. Do you want only newbies? Are you looking for someone with a lot of experience? You can say "looking for someone with over 100 posts who can actually send back some commentary or fill out a questionaire or who actually has a blog or a website" or what ever.

      3. Be clear on the time frame you are looking to have it done by. Do you need it done immediately or is this going to take someone a week to review?

      4. Consider providing actual case studies. You want to say $1,000 guaranteed in 24 hours? Go out, find someone who wants to try your plan, and get them to do it! Help them if you must - but show proof that what you are selling was not just a one time fluke and could be replicated by someone other than yourself. Do you think this might help you sell just a few more WSO's? Think this might really kick up your credibility? Think others will buy from you over and over again? So what if you have to give up a little time up front - it will pay for itself a million times over in the end.

      If I go to a WSO and I don't know the seller but I see some reviews done it does help me. I can go look up those member names and judge for myself if the review is valid.

      Yes, people have been burned, and a lot of people need to be very careful on what they decide to spend on. Are your real intentions to help people and improve your own product?
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      • Profile picture of the author gacott
        Originally Posted by avenuegirl View Post

        Deja Vous. We had this discussion here about a week ago.

        One interesting answer was along the lines of:

        "Sure, you can have a review copy. I'll give it to you for $17 through the payment button below"


        Here is what can make it not an issue. Just get some reviews first on your product! It's not that hard!

        Are you really that greedy that you want everyone to pay for it? I just don't get it.

        Either post up that you are looking for some reviewers, or look for some people who have done reviews in the past and engage in conversation with them to see if they would have the time.

        I got several messages this week to review some materials. One person (not important who) has a graphics site and they were wanting to give me a credit somewhere on the site. So, I went to take a look to see what kind of service they were offering, and the images were quite lovely, but honestly I could not give a review unless this person had actually done something for me. I have no idea if they could deliver, how long it would take, how satisfied would I be with the service if I was a paying customer. So, if you are offering a specific service you should consider actually doing the service for a few people first.

        Other things I got, and I sent back my thoughts and criticisms and that was it.

        To get a review, you can request certain requirements of the reviewer.

        1. Be clear on what type of thing you want reviewed - ebook or service - and if it is an ebook provide what area of expertise it is about and how long it is. Sometimes I have 5 minutes for a 10 page report. Sometimes I have several hours for a book (had two of those this last week).

        2. Be clear on the requirements you are looking for from the reviewer. Do you want only newbies? Are you looking for someone with a lot of experience? You can say "looking for someone with over 100 posts who can actually send back some commentary or fill out a questionaire or who actually has a blog or a website" or what ever.

        3. Be clear on the time frame you are looking to have it done by. Do you need it done immediately or is this going to take someone a week to review?

        4. Consider providing actual case studies. You want to say $1,000 guaranteed in 24 hours? Go out, find someone who wants to try your plan, and get them to do it! Help them if you must - but show proof that what you are selling was not just a one time fluke and could be replicated by someone other than yourself. Do you think this might help you sell just a few more WSO's? Think this might really kick up your credibility? Think others will buy from you over and over again? So what if you have to give up a little time up front - it will pay for itself a million times over in the end.

        If I go to a WSO and I don't know the seller but I see some reviews done it does help me. I can go look up those member names and judge for myself if the review is valid.

        Yes, people have been burned, and a lot of people need to be very careful on what they decide to spend on. Are your real intentions to help people and improve your own product?
        I completely agree.

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      • Profile picture of the author Kay King
        This was just discussed about a week ago.

        The point isn't about whether or not sellers should or should not ask for reviews. That's up to the seller and many do request reviews BEFORE placing their product up for sale.

        Recently we have people jumping into WSO threads (that the seller has PAID for) - and posting "can I have a review copy".

        It's up to the SELLER to state whether he offers review copies and if he wants reviews that should be separate from the WSO in my opinion. If the seller chooses to offer "XX review copies" in the wSO, then he should expect a lot of begging to go on.

        The OP is pointing out those (new) people who jump in asking for free copies to "review" when the WSO clearly is "product for sale".

        It's rude, and a review from someone you've never heard of is worthless.

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        • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
          Originally Posted by Kay King View Post

          This was just discussed about a week ago.

          The point isn't about whether or not sellers should or should not ask for reviews. That's up to the seller and many do request reviews BEFORE placing their product up for sale.

          Recently we have people jumping into WSO threads (that the seller has PAID for) - and posting "can I have a review copy".

          It's up to the SELLER to state whether he offers review copies and if he wants reviews that should be separate from the WSO in my opinion. If the seller chooses to offer "XX review copies" in the wSO, then he should expect a lot of begging to go on.

          The OP is pointing out those (new) people who jump in asking for free copies to "review" when the WSO clearly is "product for sale".

          It's rude, and a review from someone you've never heard of is worthless.

          kay
          I completely agree. Obviously, these folks have seen how it is on DP. Over there, if you offer anything for sale, you get a whole thread of people asking for "review" copies. I fell for that one time. I got one whole review out of the deal. One. All the others got my product for free. I don't like this practice at all. Do people ask computer stores if they can have a "review computer"? Or do they go to a high dollar clothing store and ask if they can have some "review clothes"? Does anyone get a "review car" from the car lot?

          Unless we're recruited by the seller to review his or her product, then in my opinion it's rude to ask for a "review copy".
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          • Profile picture of the author gacott
            Originally Posted by Angela V. Edwards View Post

            I completely agree. Obviously, these folks have seen how it is on DP. Over there, if you offer anything for sale, you get a whole thread of people asking for "review" copies. I fell for that one time. I got one whole review out of the deal. One. All the others got my product for free. I don't like this practice at all. Do people ask computer stores if they can have a "review computer"? Or do they go to a high dollar clothing store and ask if they can have some "review clothes"? Does anyone get a "review car" from the car lot?

            Unless we're recruited by the seller to review his or her product, then in my opinion it's rude to ask for a "review copy".
            Not that I am disagreeing, but I have seen this line of logic before and I just don't think it applies.

            1. Yes, I do get to review cloths from the store, they allow me to try them on and see how they fit and look.

            2. Yes, I get to review the computer at the retail store. I can virtually play with it to my hearts content.

            3. Yep, I got to review the car too. Just test drove one last week.

            So, I don't think the problem here is the review. I haven't heard anybody say "that dirty rotten so and so reviewed my product". The problem is the people who are asking for reviews and NOT reviewing.

            If we are going to look for a solution, maybe we should start looking in that direction and we might be able to find a common ground for everybody. Just an idea.

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              • Profile picture of the author gacott
                Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                The other consideration is that I don't buy WSO's or let my list know about them when all I see are a bunch of reviews from one post wonders I've never heard of. I think in this respect, the review can have a negative affect on a WSO. My gut reaction (and probably other members as well) is that they got some buddies together to post them.
                I agree.

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            • Profile picture of the author Angela V. Edwards
              Originally Posted by gacott View Post

              Not that I am disagreeing, but I have seen this line of logic before and I just don't think it applies.

              1. Yes, I do get to review cloths from the store, they allow me to try them on and see how they fit and look.

              2. Yes, I get to review the computer at the retail store. I can virtually play with it to my hearts content.

              3. Yep, I got to review the car too. Just test drove one last week.

              So, I don't think the problem here is the review. I haven't heard anybody say "that dirty rotten so and so reviewed my product". The problem is the people who are asking for reviews and NOT reviewing.

              If we are going to look for a solution, maybe we should start looking in that direction and we might be able to find a common ground for everybody. Just an idea.

              Garret
              In these cases, you're actually trying something out but cannot have possession of it until you pay for it. With Digital items, once people have a "review copy" they have it and there is no need to pay for it. It's theirs and they can keep it as well as give it away to others and on and on.

              If I could "test drive" a car and that means I would not have to return the car to the dealer, then it would be the same thing as this "review copy". Same thing with clothes and computers. Sure, we can try them out at the store, but we can't keep them until we pay for them. It is not this way with the "review copy" fiasco.

              I didn't see Big Mike's answer until after I posted this.
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    • Profile picture of the author misterwrecker
      Originally Posted by gacott View Post

      I can certainly appreciate what you have to say and agree that it should not be a charity. On the other hand, I think a good review can do wonders for sales, if by the right reviewer.

      So for me it's a case of review copies being made available to help the OP and sales, rather than somebody wanting to get a free ride.

      Garret

      I think the OP is talking about people just asking for review copies from the seller to obtain a free product. If a seller wants reviews he will ask for it either in the main forum or PM.

      I do agree that reviews definitely increase sales though.



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  • Profile picture of the author Mike Anthony
    To me if you want a review copy you should Pm the seller. I agree with Michael. Alot of the cases you get the sense someone is just looking something for nothing and the thread gets bogged down in Review requests.
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    • Profile picture of the author gacott
      Originally Posted by Mike Anthony View Post

      To me if you want a review copy you should Pm the seller. I agree with Michael. Alot of the cases you get the sense someone is just looking something for nothing and the thread gets bogged down in Review requests.
      I agree, it should generally be handled through PM.

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        yep should be handled through PM
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  • Profile picture of the author Karen Connell
    There was a WSO that was offered for $1 not long ago.

    Two people asked for a review copy! How cheap is that!

    I think some people don't actually read the sales page but ask for a freebie as a matter of course.

    If there are review copies on offer then the person who is selling will say so.

    If the vendor doesn't offer any, then there are none to be had.

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    • Profile picture of the author gacott
      Originally Posted by Karen Connell View Post

      There was a WSO that was offered for $1 not long ago.

      Two people asked for a review copy! How cheap is that!

      I think some people don't actually read the sales page but ask for a freebie as a matter of course.

      If there are review copies on offer then the person who is selling will say so.

      If the vendor doesn't offer any, then there are none to be had.

      Kareb
      I agree in spirit, but not always in practice. Many WSO authors are so focused on getting their offer out the door that they don't really think the whole process through.

      For every one request of a review copy on these forums I see at least two people asking to see reviews by respected warriors. A couple of review can be more powerful than many of the sales pages I see around here. :-)

      Again, I am not disagreeing, at all as a matter of fact. I think asking for a review copy just to get it for free is horrible. I just think that there are a lot of dynamics involved with it all.

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      • Profile picture of the author tomw
        Originally Posted by gacott View Post

        I agree in spirit, but not always in practice. Many WSO authors are so focused on getting their offer out the door that they don't really think the whole process through.

        For every one request of a review copy on these forums I see at least two people asking to see reviews by respected warriors. A couple of review can be more powerful than many of the sales pages I see around here. :-)

        Again, I am not disagreeing, at all as a matter of fact. I think asking for a review copy just to get it for free is horrible. I just think that there are a lot of dynamics involved with it all.

        Garret
        "Respected Warriors" are approached all the time by WSO sellers to give reviews and testimonials. They do not seek out freebies and then agree to provide feedback as payment.

        All the testimonials in the world would not stop the review copy requests.

        Ironically, it is mostly the case that those seeking review copies are not those who have contributed to the forum and/or demonstrated sufficient proficiency in the game. As such, their ability to provide a balanced and informative review of someone else's greater understanding of a subject is questionable. To put it simply, what makes them think that their opinion is either valuable or indeed, desired?

        This, of course, is assuming they actually provide a review and don't simply run off with the product, cackling.

        Furthermore, I doubt very much that anyone here in a position of knowledge or authority enough to be considered a "respected Warrior," who's opinion others would like to hear and that would have an impact on conversion, would quibble over a ten or twenty dollar purchase.

        Want to review someone's product?

        Either,

        provide value to the forum and pretty soon the likelihood is you too will be approached to provide feedback on a courtesy copy.

        Or do it the old fashioned way,

        Buy it.
        Consume it.
        Apply it.
        (If there's something genuinely wrong with it *only*...)
        Return it.

        Then make your feelings known about it.

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    • Profile picture of the author yourreviewer
      Originally Posted by Karen Connell View Post

      There was a WSO that was offered for $1 not long ago.

      Two people asked for a review copy! How cheap is that!

      I think some people don't actually read the sales page but ask for a freebie as a matter of course.

      If there are review copies on offer then the person who is selling will say so.

      If the vendor doesn't offer any, then there are none to be had.

      Kareb

      You think that's cheap? How about this. A few weeks ago, I stumbled upon a WSO where the seller gave the option of choosing your own price. There was a person who asked if he could get a review copy.
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      • Profile picture of the author gacott
        Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

        You think that's cheap? How about this. A few weeks ago, I stumbled upon a WSO where the seller gave the option of choosing your own price. There was a person who asked if he could get a review copy.
        LOL, I saw that and was laughing like crazy. I have also see a couple now that were free offers and people asked for review copies.

        Obviously there are people here who are here just to take advantage, it IS up to the WSO author to make sure who is ever getting the copies are really going to do a review.

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      • Profile picture of the author George Wright
        Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

        You think that's cheap? How about this. A few weeks ago, I stumbled upon a WSO where the seller gave the option of choosing your own price. There was a person who asked if he could get a review copy.
        LOL LOL LOL
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        • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
          Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

          You think that's cheap? How about this. A few weeks ago, I stumbled upon a WSO where the seller gave the option of choosing your own price. There was a person who asked if he could get a review copy.

          Originally Posted by George Wright View Post

          LOL LOL LOL

          Ya, that was my WSO...I got a good laugh out of it!



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          And if we're on the same page here there was another who actually donated a single, red hot cent.

          LOL

          Its amazing, isn't it?
          Oh there were quite a few people who donated 1 cent, and of course paypal takes that cent and leaves me with nothing. LOL!

          I hope they go on to make thousands of dollars and have an overwhelming feeling of guilt about it.
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        Originally Posted by yourreviewer View Post

        You think that's cheap? How about this. A few weeks ago, I stumbled upon a WSO where the seller gave the option of choosing your own price. There was a person who asked if he could get a review copy.
        And if we're on the same page here there was another who actually donated a single, red hot cent.

        LOL

        Its amazing, isn't it?
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    • Profile picture of the author LegitIncomes
      Originally Posted by Karen Connell View Post

      There was a WSO that was offered for $1 not long ago.

      Two people asked for a review copy! How cheap is that!

      I think some people don't actually read the sales page but ask for a freebie as a matter of course.

      If there are review copies on offer then the person who is selling will say so.

      If the vendor doesn't offer any, then there are none to be had.

      Kareb
      True. One of my WSOs a couple weeks ago was "set your own price", so those who wanted could have got it for as little as 1 cent. Of course, there were still some requests for review copies. LOL! :rolleyes:
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      • Profile picture of the author Christophe Young
        I'm going to have to be more strict about giving out copies of my product for a "review" after being burned a few times. A while back, I gave out five copies to some guys on my list and never received a review from them. Potential affiliates will also request a copy for review then eventually disappear.

        Just have to be careful when giving away your product. Lots of people out there want something for nothing. It's human nature.
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        • Profile picture of the author mikeyman120
          I haven't done a WSO yet but I have launched my products via forums and get requests for review copies. Lately I am selling Camtasia video courses and they usually come with PLR, MRR or Resale Rights so I am not to thrilled to be giving them away unless I know the person is a serious affiliate who can bring in orders. So I found a way to solve this. I make another download page for reviewers and disable the download links and the bonus product links. This way all they can basically do is watch the videos online and not download them and the reseller site. Works good so far.

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          • Profile picture of the author Robyn8243
            I agree with those who have stated that requests for review copies should be made via PM and not as a post, except where there is an originating thread offering review copies.

            Like many others here, I find it somewhat annoying when a WSO thread or even a War Room thread starts looking like a beg-fest.

            That said, the Warrior Forum is comprised of individuals...and I think that whether or not someone chooses to give out review copies is a matter of individual choice.

            If you personally do not want to give any review copies, then don't. You are entitled to run your business however you choose. And you should not have to justify your choice. You can ignore any requests for review copies or send a simple "sorry, but no review copies are being provided."

            However, I think it is wrong to tell people that it is wrong to ask for a review copy from anyone, except for reasons that you personally find acceptable.

            There are some marketers who are more than happy to provide review copies when asked, and a well written review can benefit the person running the WSO. Many people want to see multiple reviews before buying, so providing review copies can be mutually beneficial.

            And while many "review copy seekers" may in fact be nothing more than freebie seekers who will never provide a review or take action....again the choice is up to the individual being asked.

            As much as I find the beg-fests to be annoying, I personally find it far more annoying when
            one marketer or group of marketers attempt to speak for everyone when telling other marketers not to ask anyone for help, whether that help consists of asking for a review copy Or asking for any other type of assistance. (Not to mention that there are multiple reasons for asking for review copies)

            Being unafraid to ask for what you want whether that is a review copy of a product, a joint venture with someone who has a bigger list, an interview with a successful marketer when you are totally unknown, or reviews of your own product from well respected Warriors, is probably one of the biggest predictors of success.

            People should just be honest and polite and upfront about what they are asking, offer some benefit in exchange for any benefit you are receiving (well thought out review in exchange for a review copy). And respect and accept that nobody owes you anything, so if you don't get the response you are looking for, don't be offended. And of course, if someone makes it clear that they do not wish to provide review copies, respect that, and don't bother asking.

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            • Profile picture of the author gacott
              Originally Posted by Robyn8243 View Post

              I agree with those who have stated that requests for review copies should be made via PM and not as a post, except where there is an originating thread offering review copies.

              Like many others here, I find it somewhat annoying when a WSO thread or even a War Room thread starts looking like a beg-fest.

              That said, the Warrior Forum is comprised of individuals...and I think that whether or not someone chooses to give out review copies is a matter of individual choice.

              If you personally do not want to give any review copies, then don't. You are entitled to run your business however you choose. And you should not have to justify your choice. You can ignore any requests for review copies or send a simple "sorry, but no review copies are being provided."

              However, I think it is wrong to tell people that it is wrong to ask for a review copy from anyone, except for reasons that you personally find acceptable.

              There are some marketers who are more than happy to provide review copies when asked, and a well written review can benefit the person running the WSO. Many people want to see multiple reviews before buying, so providing review copies can be mutually beneficial.

              And while many "review copy seekers" may in fact be nothing more than freebie seekers who will never provide a review or take action....again the choice is up to the individual being asked.

              As much as I find the beg-fests to be annoying, I personally find it far more annoying when
              one marketer or group of marketers attempt to speak for everyone when telling other marketers not to ask anyone for help, whether that help consists of asking for a review copy Or asking for any other type of assistance. (Not to mention that there are multiple reasons for asking for review copies)

              Being unafraid to ask for what you want whether that is a review copy of a product, a joint venture with someone who has a bigger list, an interview with a successful marketer when you are totally unknown, or reviews of your own product from well respected Warriors, is probably one of the biggest predictors of success.

              People should just be honest and polite and upfront about what they are asking, offer some benefit in exchange for any benefit you are receiving (well thought out review in exchange for a review copy). And respect and accept that nobody owes you anything, so if you don't get the response you are looking for, don't be offended. And of course, if someone makes it clear that they do not wish to provide review copies, respect that, and don't bother asking.

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  • Profile picture of the author michael_nguyen
    How many asked for review copies and took action and made money!? Close to nothing I reckon.
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    • Profile picture of the author gacott
      Originally Posted by michael_nguyen View Post

      How many asked for review copies and took action and made money!? Close to nothing I reckon.
      LOL, that could be said about 98% of the people who purchase the WSOs also. And, if that's truly the case, then how would giving them a review copy cause any harm? Heck, I could give 100 review copies away in an easily saturated market and if nobody did anything with the copy no harm has been done at all.

      Anyway, I am not arguing the point, I also get tired of seeing people beg for review copies,

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    I don't give them out to anyone who asks for it now. I gave out 3 and got 1 review out of it. The other two were just freeloaders.
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    • Profile picture of the author gacott
      Originally Posted by sbucciarel View Post

      I don't give them out to anyone who asks for it now. I gave out 3 and got 1 review out of it. The other two were just freeloaders.
      To me this is the thing that makes me more angry than anything else, people asking for review copies and then not doing them, or doing a half-ass job with them. There is only one reason to give a review copy, and that is to help sales. If it doesn't help sales it's a total waste of time.

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  • Profile picture of the author Lance K
    If a vendor is looking for feedback, they'll seek out reviewers.

    The ONLY other way you should EVER expect to MAYBE get a review copy is if you're looking to promote the vendors product as an affiliate.

    Even at that, you better be prepared to demonstrate exactly how you getting a review copy will benefit the vendor. And realize that even if you do, it's very possible that they will say no.





    But if you're asking simply as a consumer (beginner, broke, or otherwise), don't waste your breath.

    If you still don't understand WHY someone wouldn't give you a review copy, try this...

    Go down to your nearest department store today and ask them if you could get a review pair of jeans to take home and try out.
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  • Profile picture of the author Troy_Phillips
    I don't give out review copies . I feel that for a $10 or lower WSO price with a 100% money back guarantee, it is pretty much a no brainer .

    If all else fails ... test my ethics , buy it and see if I am as good as my word if it is not what you were looking for .

    I have given away several copies of my WSO. These were to people that did not ask for them. I told each one I was not looking for a testimonial, I wanted to help them if I could .

    One ask if I could hold them a copy until next week (this is when they get paid ) .

    I felt that this was someone who needed my product .

    Those of us that understand on a higher level than those just beginning , need to help if our gut feelings are telling us ... this is someone who wants to learn but just doesn't have the money .

    Im is all about the money but sometimes it is not all about the money .
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    • Profile picture of the author Ken
      Paste it on the wall.

      Originally Posted by Troy_Phillips View Post

      Im is all about the money but sometimes it is not all about the money .
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  • Profile picture of the author Marhelper
    Originally Posted by michael_nguyen View Post

    Im starting to see alot of these in the WSO section, I know it shouldn't but it's kinda getting on my nerves abit now.

    I know lots of have been burnt before hence the request for a review copy but I'm sure most of not all WSO threads offer refunds?

    Ask if they offer refund then buy, this is not DP!

    If no review copies are availiable then move on, the WSO section is not a charity unless its a free WSO.

    Rant over
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  • Profile picture of the author James Campbell
    Put it this way:

    "Review Copy?"

    My Response:
    "Punch in the face?"

    Possibly rick rolled, but depends on how mischievous I'm feeling that day

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      I have no problem with people asking me for a review copy...just like I
      have no problem saying no.

      My personal policy on review copies is simple.

      1. Yes - For somebody who is an established marketer who I know will
      honestly review the product, good or bad and post feedback.

      2. No - For somebody who I don't know from Adam.

      Makes it real simple.
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    • Profile picture of the author Mark-Dickenson
      Originally Posted by James Campbell View Post

      Put it this way:

      "Review Copy?"

      My Response:
      "Punch in the face?"

      Possibly rick rolled, but depends on how mischievous I'm feeling that day

      James
      I like it

      How 'bout "Can I Have A Review Copy?" (from poster with 8 posts)

      "F NO You Can't Have A Review Copy!"
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        I just got one of these 5 minutes ago for a fricken $7 product.

        I mean how cheap can people be?

        Oh, and one other thing. If we get one of these PMs, are we supposed to
        report them to the help desk? I didn't see anything in this thread about
        that.
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        • Profile picture of the author gacott
          Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

          I just got one of these 5 minutes ago for a fricken $7 product.

          I mean how cheap can people be?

          Oh, and one other thing. If we get one of these PMs, are we supposed to
          report them to the help desk? I didn't see anything in this thread about
          that.
          I think it's fair to ask in a PM, but not so in the WSO thread generally.

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            • Profile picture of the author gacott
              Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

              I only disagree with this because I know what would happen - you'll get flooded with PM's then.
              Not sure how that would be the case Mike, people are already doing this and it isn't against the current rules. I'm not sure by how NOT changing the current rules it's going to add to your PMs.

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              • Profile picture of the author tomw
                Originally Posted by gacott View Post

                Not sure how that would be the case Mike, people are already doing this and it isn't against the current rules. I'm not sure by how NOT changing the current rules it's going to add to your PMs.

                Garret
                Try posting a WSO and adding, "PM me for a review copy" in the thread title.



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                • Profile picture of the author gacott
                  Originally Posted by tomw View Post

                  Try posting a WSO and adding, "PM me for a review copy" in the thread title.


                  Tom
                  Not sure I understand . . . I have that problem sometimes. My point was that I believe it's still fine for people to PM for a review copy. Not that you should have to advertise for it or anything, but I don't mind being PM's for a review copy and don't believe that should be against any rules.

                  For me the primary issue is that the begging in the thread disrupts the thread, a thread somebody paid money for. I think people should be able to PM just about anything about a WSO, including asking for a review copy.

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                  • Profile picture of the author BIG Mike
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                    • Profile picture of the author gacott
                      Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                      In the WSO forum, those freeloaders asking for review copies are on my dime and don't have a right to interrupt the thread and ask for something that wasn't advertised in the first place.

                      Again, this is a Dufus Point practice that really sucks because it cheapens the purpose of the WSO forum.

                      In any event, I would toss this suggestion out there - don't give out review copies to anyone with less than 750 or so posts and has been a member for less than one year.

                      If you're going to give out a freebie, give it to those who have made the time and effort to contribute to the overall quality of the Warrior Forum.
                      Well I agree with the negative impact it has on the thread. Not sure I agree that a person has to have been here for a year and have so many points to be considered a valid contributor.

                      I don't have 750 points and haven't been here for a year, I think I'm a decent contributor. While I am new (within a year) to IM I have a long history of starting and running successful companies. I have brought that experience with me into IM and have been able to do quite well for myself. So I have an issue with the blanket statement.

                      At the same time, I have great respect for you and what you have been able to accomplish in this marketplace also.

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                        • Profile picture of the author gacott
                          Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                          My point is simply to be sensitive to whom get's a review copy. If I were giving them out, I'd rather give a regular, contributing member rather than a newcomer with 20 posts.

                          I realize it sounds like a blanket statement, but with low post counts it's often difficult to see who is going to genuinely use it and who just wants a freebie to look at and most likely never act on. I do realize that's not always the case and was in no way singling you out

                          As Tom mentioned, it's a growing trend...organism that is disturbing. I've been at DP and I honestly hate the way they do things over there. I guess I've been spoiled here at the WF all these years
                          No worries Mike, I did not take it as though you were singling me out, I simply held myself out as an example. I agree with your statement.

                          Thanks
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                        • Profile picture of the author tomw
                          Originally Posted by BIG Mike View Post

                          I've been at DP and I honestly hate the way they do things over there.
                          I'm both shocked and disappointed, Mr. Kotzakolios.



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                  • Profile picture of the author tomw
                    Originally Posted by gacott View Post

                    Not sure I understand . . .
                    As is the case with most organisms either desirable or not, if you encourage growth rather than perform a humane cull, they will take up the space you make available to them, but more often than not and in reality, they spread way beyond the confines of your control.

                    But hey, I just made a quip in response to the conversation.

                    Mike said, "you'd get flooded with PMs."

                    You said, "not changing the current rules is (not) going to add to your PMs."

                    I believe we will soon get to a point where things become farcical.

                    Thing is, there has been a recent explosion of members. It wasn't that long ago when the very idea of cold calling for a review copy around here was almost unheard of. Now it sounds like such requests are getting out of hand. I'm not expressing a view on whether this is good or bad. Simply stating fact.

                    In light of recent events, the case for changing the "rule" is most likely justified. That's Allen's call. However, when the community was smaller we self regulated quite amicably based on consensus and "unwritten" rules. But now because of sheer volume, Allen (and the rest of us) seems to be encountering numerous issues related to an organism growing beyond it's predicted, expected or indeed tolerated realm.

                    Also your point, and the one both Mike and I responded to, was as you wrote it, not as you subsequently "clarified" it.

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                    • Profile picture of the author gacott
                      Originally Posted by tomw View Post

                      As is the case with most organisms either desirable or not, if you encourage growth rather than perform a humane cull, they will take up the space you make available to them, but more often than not and in reality, they spread way beyond the confines of your control.

                      But hey, I just made a quip in response to the conversation.

                      Mike said, "you'd get flooded with PMs."

                      You said, "not changing the current rules is (not) going to add to your PMs."

                      I believe we will soon get to a point where things become farcical.

                      Thing is, there has been a recent explosion of members. It wasn't that long ago when the very idea of cold calling for a review copy around here want almost unheard of. Now it sounds like such requests are getting out of hand. I'm not expressing a view on whether this is good or bad. Simply stating fact.

                      In light of recent events, the case for changing the "rule" is most likely justified. That's Allen's call. However, when the community was smaller we self regulated quite amicably based on consensus and "unwritten" rules. But now because of sheer volume, Allen(and the rest of us) seems to be encountering numerous issues related to an organism growing beyond it's predicted, expected or indeed tolerated realm.

                      Also your point, and the one both I and Mike responded to, was as you wrote it, not as you subsequently "clarified" it.

                      Tom
                      Fair enough, thanks.

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  • Profile picture of the author DAS_Matt
    Hmmm.. I'll likely eventually post an offer here.. might be an interesting idea of havign a "Trusted Warrior Reviewers" thread or section to help forum members know who they can reliably trust to give review copies to.
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    • Profile picture of the author George Wright
      Originally Posted by DAS_Matt View Post

      Hmmm.. I'll likely eventually post an offer here.. might be an interesting idea of havign a "Trusted Warrior Reviewers" thread or section to help forum members know who they can reliably trust to give review copies to.
      No list needed. You just need to hang here a while.

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    • Profile picture of the author seasoned
      Originally Posted by Razer Rage View Post

      Too bad we can't get a rule against asking for a undeserved refund. people will be people I guess.
      WOW, I'm not a person? What am I?

      Frankly, I don't even think I ever went into the WSO area! 8-/

      To ask for a "review copy" there seems pretty CRASS!

      And if you get a "review copy" to LEARN, is it REALLY right to call it a review copy, and get if for free? GRANTED it is nice to learn something. Perhaps you WILL! But to INTEND too seems just WRONG!

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    • Profile picture of the author Robyn8243
      Originally Posted by ccmusicman View Post

      I completely agree...

      I've had several pms and emails asking for review copies, or discounted prices.

      I'm not sure what is happening to the WF, but this is starting to look like DP.

      I agree with Big Mike, we need a rule against asking for review copies UNLESS the wso poster has specifically said he is giving out a few.

      What surprises me is you don't go to walmart asking for "review copies" or "discounted prices"...even if you have previously purchased there!

      If you would try that, you would get laughed at and told to get lost.

      By the time I've paid the 20 bucks to post my WSO, that means I have gathered what feedback I needed and I'm ready to sell. Please don't bother me with dumb requests, because they'll get ignored!

      Rob
      As individual entrepreneurs, I simply don't see the need for rules about what is and is not acceptable to ask. We are all adults and able to make our own decisions. If you don't want to give review copies, then don't. Feel free to ignore any requests you consider dumb. But do we really need a rule stating it is against the rules to ask?

      Coming from a family with a long history of retail store ownership, I would add that while asking for a discount or special deal at Walmart won't generally fly....nobody there has the authority to grant it....small business owners and service providers are asked for discounts and special deals all the time. Whether they choose to grant them is their personal decision. They get to decide whether the offered price is worth the sale.

      Some of the wealthiest people around ask for and get special deals all the time.

      While I do not want to see this forum become like DP, the concept of rules about what grown adults can ask, does not seem in line with the spirit of this forum.

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  • Profile picture of the author Christophe Young
    Ok George... I'll check out your WSO!!!
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  • Profile picture of the author tomw
    I think, fundamentally, what many aren't seeing here is that product owners are ALREADY demonstrating remarkable good will by offering their products, AS A COURTESY, to fellow Warriors at a DISCOUNT.

    Often for MUCH less than they are selling them or intend to sell them outside these "walls."

    That was the whole point of Allen setting up the WSO section and is a REQUIREMENT for merchant participation.

    Don't you think it's then a little rich to ask for a either a free copy or ADDITIONAL discounts?

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  • Profile picture of the author tomw
    Also, to George...

    That's a cool script. I've seen others use it around the forum today. I'd be interested to know how it works because when I signed up to this forum I only gave my permission for one person to make use of my IP address and/or any other available data for the purpose of marketing to me directly and that person was Allen.

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    • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
      Originally Posted by tomw View Post

      Also, to George...

      That's a cool script. I've seen others use it around the forum today. I'd be interested to know how it works because when I signed up to this forum I only gave my permission for one person to make use of my IP address and/or any other available data for the purpose of marketing to me directly and that person was Allen.

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      Tom, if you're talking about seeing your name in his signature, it's just a
      piece of code [ YOU ] but to get it to work, you have to switch to HTML
      mode when editing your sig. Oh, and leave out the spaces in the brackets
      before the Y and after the U.
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      • Profile picture of the author tomw
        Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

        Tom, if you're talking about seeing your name in his signature, it's just a piece of code [ YOU ] but to get it to work, you have to switch to HTML mode when editing your sig. Oh, and leave out the spaces in the brackets before the Y and after the U.
        Thanks for explaining that, Steve.

        However, if I want someone to address me by name and pitch products at me I'll sign up for their list. It's called permission marketing and, as I said, I only gave my consent for this to Allen.

        It isn't going to be long before everyone's at it and "illuminated" sig files are annoying enough already without the additional distraction. There are ample opportunities for merchants to gain exposure for their products here.

        However, I think the [name] tag is taking things too far.

        The focus of this forum should always be on the content (as well as the calibre) of the posts and not on the sig files.

        Just my opinion. I'm sure others will disagree.

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        • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
          Originally Posted by tomw View Post

          Thanks for explaining that, Steve.

          However, if I want someone to address me by name and pitch products at me I'll sign up for their list. It's called permission marketing and, as I said, I only gave my consent for this to Allen.

          It isn't going to be long before everyone's at it and "illuminated" sig files are annoying enough already without the additional distraction. There are ample opportunities for merchants to gain exposure for their products here.

          However, I think the [name] tag is taking things too far.

          The focus of this forum should always be on the content (as well as the calibre) of the posts and not on the sig files.

          Just my opinion. I'm sure others will disagree.

          Tom

          It's like with anything else. Enough people use it and eventually it won't
          be as effective. But whether or not it's effective on a wide scale in the
          early stages will all come down to testing...just like with anything else.

          Personally, seeing my name in sigs doesn't bother me, but it doesn't do
          anything for me either because I'm immune to marketing tactics...totally.

          Pretty sad when you think about it.
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          • Profile picture of the author tomw
            Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

            It's like with anything else. Enough people use it and eventually it won't be as effective. But whether or not it's effective on a wide scale in the early stages will all come down to testing...just like with anything else.
            The issue isn't effectiveness. This is a consideration for those using it to market their products here. My point of view is from the side of an unwilling prospect and that I don't want to see this forum transformed from somewhere allowing an acceptable (tolerable) level of promotion into a (absence of!) permission based, personalised pitchfest.

            [update] But like I said, it's simply my opinion.

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            • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
              Originally Posted by tomw View Post

              The issue isn't effectiveness. This is a consideration for those using it to market their products here. My point of view is from the side of an unwilling prospect and that I don't want to see this forum transformed from somewhere allowing an acceptable (tolerable) level of promotion into a (absence of!) permission based, personalised pitchfest.

              [update] But like I said, it's simply my opinion.

              Tom
              Tom, I respect your opinion, but if Allen didn't want people to be able to
              use it, it wouldn't be available. As it is, it was taken away from the actual
              forum posts because that caused a real nightmare.
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              • Profile picture of the author tomw
                Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim View Post

                Tom, I respect your opinion, but if Allen didn't want people to be able to use it, it wouldn't be available. As it is, it was taken away from the actual forum posts because that caused a real nightmare.


                Again, thanks for explaining that. As you know, I've been away for a while. I just feel that such things don't befit The Warrior Forum and personally I'd prefer not to be pitched at so directly when I spend time here.

                As you say, Allen makes the rules.

                To be fair, like I said in my original post, I was actually under the impression that it was some form of alien script introduced into individual sigs and not part of the forum mechanics or given the green light by Allen.

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    • Profile picture of the author Jill Carpenter
      Originally Posted by tomw View Post

      Also, to George...

      That's a cool script. I've seen others use it around the forum today. I'd be interested to know how it works because when I signed up to this forum I only gave my permission for one person to make use of my IP address and/or any other available data for the purpose of marketing to me directly and that person was Allen.

      Tom
      Ha ha, Catalin was using my name in his signature and I thought,"oh! how nice of him to give me some exposure" LOL, and then someone else was doing it again today and I was like "cool! they think I'm worth showing this thing to" - and then I really thought about it. Needless to say I wound up diving into source codes. And here I thought I was special. LOL, me and my big fat ego.

      Was wondering how long it would take people to start catching on.
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      • Profile picture of the author Steven Wagenheim
        Originally Posted by avenuegirl View Post

        Ha ha, Catalin was using my name in his signature and I thought,"oh! how nice of him to give me some exposure" LOL, and then someone else was doing it again today and I was like "cool! they think I'm worth showing this thing to" - and then I really thought about it. Needless to say I wound up diving into source codes. And here I thought I was special. LOL, me and my big fat ego.

        Was wondering how long it would take people to start catching on.
        Of course technically challenged me can't figure out how to get it to work
        right.

        Just as well...soon everybody will use it and I'll stand out like a sore thumb.
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  • Profile picture of the author Christophe Young
    AHHHHH Damn! And here I also thought I was special. It's just some sneaky little script!

    I spent hours trying to figure out how George knew me and if we had corresponded in a recent thread.

    Oh well, pretty cool idea.. until everyone starts doing it.
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    • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
      So whats up with the "can I have a review copy" spammers?

      Especially the "kleptomanic" repeat requesters...., you know, the one's whose every other post is "can I have a review copy"?

      Usually nobody knows them, their post count is 3-7..., and even maybe some of the ones that have 100-500-700, their reputation, proven ability to make a living on the Internet and/or skills are unknown or questionable, also.

      You even have guys include in their "SOLICITATION", ".......I promise to give you the best review ever...", or "......I'll give it the most best, thorough review ever..."

      These guys should be considered "review spammers", especially the repeat, multiple offenders...., like they have turrets syndrome or something..., they just 'a keep'a askin, and askin, and askin...., like some involuntary anatomical impulse or something.

      Serial Review Spammers..., .or Serial Review Stalkers........,...wow....,

      Can we solicit administration here for a "cease and desist" order or a "Warrior Special Offer Review Stalker Restraining Order"????

      We need the most senior, crankiest warrior here to be bench warrant officer or process server.

      Maybe give him a real gun, with real bullets and and honorary badge.

      I think a pool of warriors who are trusted, make real money and , at least for a while, online and/or off, should be notified in no certain order, and whatever amount of review copies are available, thats how many out of that pool will be picked, totally at random.

      Some like the Admin here or someone of that caliber should pick the names of that pool and all who want to participate will be notified, like, if a warrior ONLY wants to be notified 3 times in a month, then that is when and how many he will be notified.

      Most will not have the time because they are too busy managing their own businesses making real money.

      Also, only the NO B.S.'ers, no nonsense , no agenda, no axe to grind, balanced and impartial folks to be picked, and their compensation, maybe , for starters is a free wso, and maybe or other compensation worth their time.

      The review will classify if it is only good for newbs, intermediate or advanced can get some benefit out of it or its useless or stuff you can get for free or just plain garbage, or maybe some pm advice to make it presentable and legitimate.....

      .......of course this is for people without established reputations of putting out good products consistently.

      Maybe some don't need it, but it may have a similar effect as "Featured Warrior Special Offer" has.

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      • Profile picture of the author The 13th Warrior
        I don't know what y'alls definition of a review is, heres mine:

        !) marketer who recommends with impeccable reputation, consistent revenue generating ability, experience, integrity and honesty

        2) someone who ACTUALLY put the wso in action " as prescribed and instructed " in the course with some measurable results that can be quantified and reported.

        Some marketers here, their name IS their brand, like CraftsMan tools, they need say no more, 'nuff said.
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  • Profile picture of the author tecHead
    Simple Solution

    eBook EditPro = for ebooks, (obviously).. allows you to set a specific date or number of reads/days after initial open that the ebook will expire. You can cancel printing and copy and paste.

    Superb security settings; its just in .exe format. So, MAC users will be outta luck; but you can do the same type of thing for MAC users via your site.

    Software = too many different solutions for enabling self monitoring trial versions.

    No worries
    Less stress
    Might even turn one of 'em into a true customer

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  • Profile picture of the author dsmpublishing
    hi guys

    i can see both sides with this one.

    i have current wso's were i find people want something for nothing and sometimes you see it a lot where instead of pming if their is an issue i.e. cant download it etc they reply to thread making the person look bad. But when a product is good they dont even hit the thanks button which seems a real shame.

    But on the other side of the coin i too have been ripped off more than once with wso and it has left me feeling rather worried about them. Now i would never ask for a review copy but i would wait for a reply to the thread from someone i trust.

    kind regards


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  • Profile picture of the author Josiah
    This seems to have migrated from the DigitalPoint forums...

    You see this all the time at DP...

    It's basically the norm there...

    Maybe we should have a rule for it?

    In any case, I'm not a fan of it... if I want a review I get them myself


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  • Profile picture of the author Glyn
    I've always found, that when I give away a free review copy, that it just sits on someones computer along with all the other free reports and other free stuff that people don't value.

    It's sad... but people really don't know how to value information. This includes those of us who make our living selling it.

    If I really want someone to review something I'm working on I offer it to them at a discount. It's harder to impress a paying customer then someone without any investment in the game. Just the fact that they payed tells me that they want the outcome my product is promising. How can your product pass of fail if the reviewer is just a "collector" and not truly interested in achieving that particular outcome.

    Setting a good price on a review copy makes the reviewer work to get their value out of their investment. If there is no investment... what kind of reward is there?
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  • Profile picture of the author brettb
    I get a few of these requests for my software business. You know what, none of the wasters ever wrote me a review!
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  • Profile picture of the author mmcqueen
    I thought it was already decided by Allen that people weren't to ask for review copies. It is at the top of the WSO forum in a sticky.
    http://www.warriorforum.com/warrior-...ew-copies.html

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    • Profile picture of the author Tina Golden
      It is. This is very old thread that got bumped up for some reason.

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  • Profile picture of the author Caleb Spilchen
    Someone must have seen the word review copy and ran for the thread. I personally only email my list review copies to thank them for being on it -
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    • Profile picture of the author Kay King
      Maybe we should have a rule for it?
      There is a rule for it - this is an old thread and a rule was added to the WSO section.
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