![]() | | ||||||||
| | #1 |
| Six-Figure Copywriter War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Blackpool, UK
Posts: 184
Thanks: 42
Thanked 38 Times in 24 Posts
|
Hi guys, I just came across a pretty distrubing discovery that will affect all Gmail users. I was talking to a marketing friend of mine over in the States a couple hours ago and we were discussing a product of mine that I've been dedicating a lot of my time to recently. It's a very specific niche site in an unexploited market for which I'm driving organic traffic using SEO. This morning, we were talking over Skype and have noticed recently that our search results in Google are differing dramatically. The problem seems to be Gmail. If you have a Google account (and this may also be applicable to toolbar users) then Google quite kindly takes it upon themselves to "improve your experience" by saving your web history and tailoring the search results to suit you! Great if you're an innocent bystander looking for information, potentially awful for us marketers. The problem is, you can wok months and months using effective and powerful SEO and traffic-generation strategies for it all to be ruined by Google. Here's how it affects us... While you're investing time and effort into various SEO techniques, you're probably visiting your site on average 2-3 times a day to tweak it and add content. The problem is, each of these visits is a valid inclusion in your Google web history. Awesome. Over the course of a few weeks you might be seeing your rankings rise. Little do you know that it's only applicable to YOUR search results! Test it now...
If possible, could you please spend 2-3 minutes to test the above and see what happens for you. I just came across this and thought instantly of WF members. If we can come to a conclusion about this, then perhaps this thread should be made a sticky or something to help people falling into this trap themselves! Just a thought... Connor |
| To Succeed Online You Need Top-Notch Sales Copy - My Easy Video Player Sales Letter Converted At 10% And Sold Over $100k In Just Under 13 Hours! Get In Touch Today For A FREE Critique Or To Hire Me... | |
| | |
| | #2 |
| Power-Writer/Programmer War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 515
Thanks: 78
Thanked 86 Times in 64 Posts
| I don't see this anywhere on Google. Maybe I'm doing something wrong >_>
|
| | |
| | |
| | #4 |
| Six-Figure Copywriter War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Blackpool, UK
Posts: 184
Thanks: 42
Thanked 38 Times in 24 Posts
|
Are you both logged in to your Google accounts?
|
| To Succeed Online You Need Top-Notch Sales Copy - My Easy Video Player Sales Letter Converted At 10% And Sold Over $100k In Just Under 13 Hours! Get In Touch Today For A FREE Critique Or To Hire Me... | |
| | |
| | #6 |
| Power-Writer/Programmer War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 515
Thanks: 78
Thanked 86 Times in 64 Posts
|
Of course I am, I'm not THAT dumb (checks again .... yup I'm logged in).
|
| | |
| | |
| | #7 |
| Entrepreneur From NYC Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: New York City
Posts: 332
Thanks: 279
Thanked 25 Times in 21 Posts
|
This is interesting. At my dad's house, the search results were different for his keywords. He has a gmail account and is always logged in.
|
| | |
| | #8 |
| Six-Figure Copywriter War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Blackpool, UK
Posts: 184
Thanks: 42
Thanked 38 Times in 24 Posts
|
I have to admit, this is really, REALLY strange. I've been having the same problem as you Steven for ages and finally worked out. What I can't work out, however, is how Gene and Spire don't have the same problem. I've not a clue what on earth is going on or why you guys are seeing this, but Google seem to have a massive problem with the size of their ego ![]() If it's worth anything, I was in Firefox 3.5 when I came across this... Any techie's offer any advice? |
| To Succeed Online You Need Top-Notch Sales Copy - My Easy Video Player Sales Letter Converted At 10% And Sold Over $100k In Just Under 13 Hours! Get In Touch Today For A FREE Critique Or To Hire Me... | |
| | |
| | #9 |
| DomainProfitsClub.com War Room Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oswego, NY USA
Posts: 2,991
Blog Entries: 1 Thanks: 946
Thanked 1,639 Times in 652 Posts
|
Very strange indeed. Can you give us a screen shot of what you're seeing ("Google saves web history to provide users with a better experience")? Maybe it's based on geographic data, or maybe it's just showing up randomly as a test? |
| | |
| | |
| | #10 | |
| Power-Writer/Programmer War Room Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Eugene, OR
Posts: 515
Thanks: 78
Thanked 86 Times in 64 Posts
| Quote:
| |
| | ||
| | |
| | #11 |
| HyperActive Warrior Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Watford, England
Posts: 268
Thanks: 4
Thanked 11 Times in 9 Posts
|
This is known as personalised search. Just log out of your account to check SERPs, or do it through a proxy server, or use this tool Scroogle Scraper |
|
The name is Bond.......Tom Bond
| |
| | |
| | #12 |
| Six-Figure Copywriter War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Blackpool, UK
Posts: 184
Thanks: 42
Thanked 38 Times in 24 Posts
| |
| To Succeed Online You Need Top-Notch Sales Copy - My Easy Video Player Sales Letter Converted At 10% And Sold Over $100k In Just Under 13 Hours! Get In Touch Today For A FREE Critique Or To Hire Me... | |
| | |
| | #13 |
| Info Philanthropist War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA
Posts: 1,789
Thanks: 383
Thanked 349 Times in 176 Posts
|
When you open your gMail account for the first time, they ask you if you want to participate in (can't think of the actual jargon right now)... that stuff (heh). You can opt-out. Ever since they bought double-click, (or whatever that ad network was called); the one that had a lawsuit against them for violating privacy laws; I tend to opt-out of everything where I'm asked if I wanna send them my "anonymous" data. Call me paranoid. Yet, as far as SEO is concerned.. IMHO, its (SEO) going to get more and more ambiguous as the rest of the Internet continues to embrace Social Media/Networking. More and more advances in "clique type" collective collaboration features are added to the social networks everyday. EGADS!! The Consumer is taking over the Internet! This generation that's coming into control uses email hardly, instant messaging less than before and the social networks more and more. Everything is moving mobile; which means they can take FB, Twitter, MySpace, Skype etc. with them on the go. Wi-fi is just about everywhere, now. (I'm stopping myself now from going on a rant). Bottom line is; IMHO, either stop counting on SEO techniques of old and concentrate on building your social rep OR bite the bullet and get ready for less customers. Gotta love technology PLP, tecHead |
| | |
| | #14 |
| HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: The Left Coast, USA
Posts: 477
Thanks: 250
Thanked 165 Times in 112 Posts
|
Isn't it common knowledge that Google's web history changes how results are displayed? I find it amusing when people show screenshots of their search position and I can tell they're logged in to their Google account.
|
| "Test fast, fail fast, adjust fast." Tom Peters | |
| | |
| | #15 |
| Six-Figure Copywriter War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Blackpool, UK
Posts: 184
Thanks: 42
Thanked 38 Times in 24 Posts
|
Bjorn, I hope you know that no-one will buy your WSO if you go around finding every opportunity you can to advertise your product in threads such as this? Idiot. In response to tecHead, SEO still works. I drive traffic using SEO myself and can say that I've never had a problem and up until a few weeks ago hadn't spent a cent on PPC! I get what you're saying about SEO being less effective now than it used to be and I would tend to agree, but anyone who says social media is more effective than SEO is living in dreamland. At least for now. The majority of people on Twitter in particular are there only to build their email list. Hence, you're building up your list with other people who just want to build their's. Get it? Is social media an effective way of getting traffic? Yeah! Is social media an effective way of getting TARGETED traffic? At the moment, not a chance. |
| To Succeed Online You Need Top-Notch Sales Copy - My Easy Video Player Sales Letter Converted At 10% And Sold Over $100k In Just Under 13 Hours! Get In Touch Today For A FREE Critique Or To Hire Me... | |
| | |
| | #16 |
| UltimateIMGraphics.com War Room Member | |
| | |
| | |
| | #17 |
| Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 89
Thanks: 4
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
|
I noticed this a few weeks ago. The searches on one machine were coming back higher than when I went to my other location. Clear out coockies and not logging into anything google brought them more in line. Another thing though I can't seem to go to google.com , it always redirects me to google.co.uk ?!!?!? |
| | |
| | |
| | #18 |
| Ghostwriter War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: U.K.
Posts: 962
Thanks: 67
Thanked 142 Times in 113 Posts
|
I think is just down to you not opting out of "Web History". That's the part that leads to a customised search. Nigel |
| | |
| | |
| | #19 | |
| Info Philanthropist War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA
Posts: 1,789
Thanks: 383
Thanked 349 Times in 176 Posts
| Quote:
![]() But, just for the record... I wasn't referring to "today". The shift hasn't completed, yet. Sure SEO; (in its various facets); still has some merit. Personally, I just think its more of an 'addition' than a solution. I was more so talking about "tomorrow"; which is always more important (to me) than today because today is easy. Stay strong PLP, tecHead | |
| Last edited by tecHead; 10-13-2009 at 11:05 AM. Reason: killin' sig | ||
| | |
| | #20 | |
| Ghostwriter War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: U.K.
Posts: 962
Thanks: 67
Thanked 142 Times in 113 Posts
| Quote:
This will get you to Google.com - http://www.google.com/webhp Nigel | |
| Last edited by Nigel Greaves; 10-13-2009 at 11:07 AM. Reason: So link could be seen | ||
| | |
| | #21 | |
| Ultimate Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Where The Heart Desires...
Posts: 502
Thanks: 21
Thanked 57 Times in 53 Posts
| Quote:
Just log out and you should be cleared of this preference. As for getting .co.uk, it's because it's where you're from (your ip). Click on the link at the google homepage that says "go to google.com" and you'll get to .com. And your searches will be US based as well.. | |
| | |
| | #22 |
| Six-Figure Copywriter War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Blackpool, UK
Posts: 184
Thanks: 42
Thanked 38 Times in 24 Posts
|
Shaun, In addition there's also a link on Google UK that says Go To Google.com ![]() tecHead, I apologise if I misunderstood what you were saying and agree that in marketing we have to think ahead. But with so many people catching on to the social media scam, won't it just be saturated in a few years time? |
| To Succeed Online You Need Top-Notch Sales Copy - My Easy Video Player Sales Letter Converted At 10% And Sold Over $100k In Just Under 13 Hours! Get In Touch Today For A FREE Critique Or To Hire Me... | |
| | |
| | #23 |
| Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 89
Thanks: 4
Thanked 5 Times in 5 Posts
|
thanks didn't notice the go to google.com !!!
|
| | |
| | |
| | #24 |
| HyperActive Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 358
Thanks: 1
Thanked 34 Times in 22 Posts
|
When I log out of Google everything goes back to normal and I can view search results as if it were my first time.
|
| | |
| | |
| | #25 |
| Warrior Member Join Date: Sep 2009
Posts: 28
Thanks: 1
Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts
|
This is exactly why you shouldn't put "all your eggs in one basket". We should always be working on SEO, but we should also have other ways of getting our sites traffic. All it takes is one simple "tweak" in the algorithm, and your site is off the first page.
|
| | |
| | |
| | #26 | |
| Info Philanthropist War Room Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: USA
Posts: 1,789
Thanks: 383
Thanked 349 Times in 176 Posts
| Quote:
Put it this way; I just got my gWave invite finalized and all I can say is "whoa; we ain't in Kansas anymore, Toto". The APIs are pretty much wide open. If you've been watching; just about every new app and social app is pushing their API; with Google leading the way. The college IT kids are in the labs mashing stuff up that's gonna change the entire face of social media in a few years... starting 2010. PayPal is popping out new APIs in 2010. Technorati, Bing, MySpace, Yahoo and of course Google... they're all leading the way. So.. the whole "scam/spam/HARD sale" aspect of social media will be an avoidable evil; just like looking both ways before crossing the street. People tend to adapt when they desire to be ensconced. Of course... IMHO PLP, tecHead | |
|
Automation is the primary conduit to successful relaxation OWN Your Local Market | Make Easy Residual Income | ||
| | |
| | #27 | |
| Personal hygiene coach Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Potemkin Village
Posts: 1,085
Thanks: 270
Thanked 379 Times in 255 Posts
| Quote:
| |
| | |
| | #28 |
| Active Warrior Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Vancouver, BC
Posts: 43
Thanks: 8
Thanked 4 Times in 4 Posts
|
I never use web history myself. I know how to disable it. Here it is: " Using Web History: Deleting You can delete Web History from your Google Account at any time. Just follow these steps:
Hope that helps ![]() PS: Sorry about the lack of links, I haven't achieved my 15 post mark yet.... |
| | |
| | #29 |
| Always Learning War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Texas
Posts: 577
Thanks: 0
Thanked 14 Times in 7 Posts
|
People were talking about this several months ago. Google is starting something new how they want to track peoples habits and try and make their search results gear more towards what they search for on a daily basis. I dont see this going far because if you searched lets say one thing a lot over time then are trying to find something in the same niche but different you would always get the same results. Check your cookies as well since google may have one for this purpose. I wouldnt worry about it since I have several sites ranking very well in serps and I still get great traffic from overseas and in the US. Jason |
|
Guest Posters needed for my Debt site. If interested msg me.
| |
| | |
| | #30 |
| Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Belfast, Ireland.
Posts: 851
Thanks: 22
Thanked 59 Times in 46 Posts
|
Yea. This is why I always open up Safari when doing reasearch and rank checking on google, but in daily browing and working I use Firefox.
|
| | |
| | |
| | #31 |
| Advanced Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Belfast, Ireland.
Posts: 851
Thanks: 22
Thanked 59 Times in 46 Posts
|
Edit: Duplicate post...
|
| | |
| | |
| | #32 |
| Active Warrior War Room Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Near NYC
Posts: 66
Thanks: 10
Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts
|
I thought EVERY body knew about this. FYI, I use the Rank checker from seobook.com, firefox plugin. It asks if you want to use your history. |
| | |
| | #33 |
| wamp wamp Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 50
Thanks: 1
Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post
|
This is why I try to use the Scroogle Scraper and stay logged out of Gmail when I'm not using it...
|
| | |
| | #34 |
| Watching you... War Room Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Waterdown, Ontario, Canada
Posts: 5,986
Blog Entries: 2 Thanks: 1,576
Thanked 2,726 Times in 1,656 Posts
|
Most sources say that this "search history" renamed "Web history" works only if you have the G. toolbar installed. Test. 1. In my FF there is no G. toolbar - no such option. 2. Opened an old IE, it has G. toolbar - the "Web History" link is up there next to Settings (where your login is) |
| In the first half of the year we are supposed to work for the taxman. I think that's a mistake. Help me to get rid of the taxman ASAP - thanks! (You, too, should make less mistakes!) | |
| | |
![]() |
|
| Tags |
| affect, discovery, gmail, google, major, optimization, rankings, search engine, seo, users |
| Thread Tools | |
| |
![]() |