Why you'll fail at clickbank.....Shocking true!!!!

[bscbscbsc]

This is great, so good to see the truth coming to light, at the end of the day I have found one simple question to ask would I buy this if not I will not recomend to my list as they have similar likes having built my list from my own passions.
How many more times are we going to buy how to make a million in two weeks, ebooks will always sell but clients love it better when you can find them real value for money products and that takes effort you owe it to your list

[monty119]

Jr,

I agree, relationships are the key to success in sales, online or offline. I'm pretty new to IM but that is one thing I have picked up, build your list, build the trust and offer only products that YOU have tried and tested. Too many times I get offered crap from the list that I have joined, canned emails with garbage product offerings, not how I want to run my business.

Thanks

[Learnanew]

I'll agree and disagree on different points but I agree with the gravity not having to be above 100 to convert.

First succesfull product I ever promoted on Clickbank had a gravity of 12.

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

Well . . . you might be interested to know what ClickBank said to us
at the ClickBank European Client Meetings

Their first words "Without our affiliates we are nothing"

I'm not surprised to hear that, Harvey. That's just what I'd expect CB and their vendors to say. But the truth is that without their vendors CB would be nothing too. Kind of a chicken or the egg type deal I suppose.

[Sheldon Slononazinski]

Hi Mary

You appear to have overlooked the fact that you actually discovered the real secret to successful internet marketing.

It's a numbers game.

That's rarely mentioned in Get Rich Quick products because you can't do it quickly. When it is mentioned, it is usually incorrect and based on conjecture and not experience.

Converting with a positive ROI is just part of the equation. The real hard part is then replicating it a thousand times a day.

[Adeel_Chowdhry]

Myth #3: You don't need a website or a list to become a super affiliate.

FALSE!

To be making the money super affiliates are, you need to have your own products and have an email list!!

This is the only way you can even consider making real money as an affiliate online.

Adeel

[JR Rich]

Originally Posted by Adeel_Chowdhry

Myth #3: You don't need a website or a list to become a super affiliate.

FALSE!

To be making the money super affiliates are, you need to have your own products and have an email list!!

This is the only way you can even consider making real money as an affiliate online.

Adeel

Adeel,
I definitely have to agree here - All those slick sales pages hyping that "You'll make thousands a day without website or list" drive me crazy!

I believe that the days of quick affiliate sales is pretty much in the past. These days, it's all about relationships (Hence the rise of social media) and building trust and mutual respect - in short, creating groups of 'clients' instead of simply buyers!

Regards,
--JR

[pcpupil]

I tried Floss4id and didnt make a thing.Squidoo lens so maybe i did it wrong.
I tried the greent thing[CB].,with a weebly website and articles,didnt make anything there either.My keyword,wich was my domain name,plus a blog,plus articles,3 weeks on 1st page of google for the keyword,number 3,5,and 9 position.
Beat out Eza as they where #4 article.
No sales.[probably the sales page].
So,im still trying,right now im trying MagicOMup.WP blog,plus articles,still no sales.
So,its basiclly a trial and error thing with me i guess.
Ill go look at some lower gravity items.
Matt

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by LilBlackDress

Great post Mary!

So what do you think of FatLoss4Idiots

"The only way to earn big from this game is to discovera high converting niche where there is less competition. Rinse then repeat. Scale it up."
And how do you find it Giansim?

What i think , is you can make a lot of money creating a similar product

but you need deep pocket to monetize it with PPC.

I am not talking about theory, i have gone through a high end PPC seminar and i know how the PPC guys think and how they kill their competition, but you need cash to compete with the big PPC guys

some peope say, that great i have an seo blog and my traffic is free. Yes, but what if you promote a product that convert 3 to 5 times better, you do that for the cash , so sometimes is better to not follow the crowd

there are others affiliates directories outside fo clickbank, so you may take some time to find a better converting offer

Mary

[MaryT]

i received quite a lot of pm for this post, and thanks for the support of all the people

Yes, the steady long term return is related to the relationship you establish with your customer list.
Will you recommend the products you promote to a friend or a relative? Will you use them for yourself? This is probably the first thing sales manager teach to the salesmen, you must have full trust in your product if you want to be succesful in your market.

You can not sell a Toyota car, if you think the best car is a BMW

if you promote a product the secret of the top affiliates is to add value, by providing a bonus that complement the product. The guys who win the battles are the ones who will do a little more than the others affiliates.
Puting a blog to promote a product is a good start, but why not turn the blog to his first main function, a communication tool where you engage your visitors and talk about their concern and main frustrations. the more you are inside the head of your prospects, the better you rely with them

My 22cents for today
Mary

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by MaryT

You can not sell a Toyota car, if you think the best car is a BMW

Do you think that most Toyota salesmen wouldn't swap their own car for a top-of-the-range BMW if invited to do so? I think they sell Toyotas pretty successfully and profitably knowing that they're not the "best car", myself.

You don't have to own or use something yourself, to sell it.

If you did, how would they sell Lear jets? And how would skinny girls like me sell weight-loss?

[TommyBussey]

Harvey, thanks for the clarification I had actually heard the definition I shared from a few "bigger name" marketers and naively thought it to be true. However, I appreciate you taking the time to correct me. Thanks.

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

This is incorrect for two reasons

1) It's not affiliates 'promoting' but affiliates 'making sales'

2) The gravity figure does not represent a minimum. It is just a relative figure.

Harvey


.

[abelacts]

Mary, I agree with you that some marketers do pump up their gravity to make their products attractive to affiliates. All in all, only testing can tell which are killer products.

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Alexa Smith

Do you think that most Toyota salesmen wouldn't swap their own car for a top-of-the-range BMW if invited to do so? I think they sell Toyotas pretty successfully and profitably knowing that they're not the "best car", myself.

You don't have to own or use something yourself, to sell it.

If you did, how would they sell Lear jets? And how would skinny girls like me sell weight-loss?

that's a quite broad question, and the answer depend fro everyone

if you have kids a BMW is not the dream car for yo

the best car for people is not the same if you are 20 or 50 years old

I have a wealthy Korean friend who sell Hyundai. And there is no way someone of his family drive anything else than a Hyundai.

by the way I drive a Peugeot 308 and that's the perfect car for me, i had a BMW320 in the past and it just not the good car when you live in a small city with kids; spent hours to find a place to park

your dream car today won't be the same in a few years

if you are selling a weight loss products even you don't need it, you won't be that proactive in the selling if you know the program you are selling just doesn't work or is quite inefficient.

the point was that you can not sell efficiently a product or service you don't believe in.

we are ll different and it all come down to what motivate you in the first place. some people are motivated by the money, some by the recognition, some are motivated to be able to help people, not everybody have the same motivation and some are motivated to make an impact in the life of the people they meet. They will all get dfferent results aligned with their own values

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by MaryT

the point was that you can not sell efficiently a product or service you don't believe in.

Well recovered: I don't disagree with that point nearly as much as I did with the very different one you originally made.

[djleon1]

The truth of Mary's original post had been staring me in the face for a few months now. I had been promoting several high-gravity products and have had around 1500 hops and ZERO conversions.

I refused to acknowledge that most of the "guru" advice was wrong and thought I was making some mistake in my approach (other then promoting the wrong products). These high-gravity products must be converting for someone so why not me was my thinking. Now this doesn't tell me low gravity products convert better but it certainly is worth a try.

I have been pleased with the ratio of traffic to my sites vs. the number of hops so at least I have been doing something right.

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by djleon1

The truth of Mary's original post had been staring me in the face for a few months now. I had been promoting several high-gravity products and have had around 1500 hops and ZERO conversions.

I refused to acknowledge that most of the "guru" advice was wrong and thought I was making some mistake in my approach (other then promoting the wrong products). These high-gravity products must be converting for someone so why not me was my thinking. Now this doesn't tell me low gravity products convert better but it certainly is worth a try.

I have been pleased with the ratio of traffic to my sites vs. the number of hops so at least I have been doing something right.

great work, but it si not all lost. you need to find offers that convert and split test them.

Do you collect emails address, you must if you have good targeted traffic, just grab some 10 EZA articles and compile a report tonight to collect emails address.

building a list make a huge difference

[mojojuju]

Originally Posted by Tony Dean

One sale in 140 would bankrupt a marketer using Google Adwords, especially for costly keywords.

Sure it would for costly keywords; whatever that means. Keywords are costly only to the extent that they don't produce positive cash flow. But a 1:140 conversion ratio won't necessarily bankrupt a marketer. I can think of one particular campaign I run that converts at about 1:200 and it's given me 200% ROI for the last 2 years. It isn't my biggest breadwinner, but it's profitable month after month.

[JR Rich]

Okay, here is yet another ill-informed and unsolicited opinion concerning clickBank and its 'popularity' index . . .

ClickBank is in business to make a profit - obviously. And, it's in their own best interests to push a products' popularity as much as possible so as to encourage other marketers to jump on the bandwagon.

It's a lot like the testimonials you see on every sales page written today - "This Worked For Me and I Think You Should Buy It!" kind of thing.

But, we need to ask ourselves where those popularity numbers that ClickBank is publishing really originate. I submit that they come from (mostly) marketers with large, responsive lists.

Before a major product is released, all the big players with lists are contacted and offered a JV deal to send promotions to their respective lists - that's why, when something new is released, you get multiple offers in your inbox for the same, exact product.

Those email 'blasts' represent the vast majority of ClickBank's popularity index. By the time that other affiliates get into the game, the "Crest of the wave" has passed and only the crumbs are left.

Yet another reason to concentrate on building a strong, responsive list, don't you think?

Regards,
--JR

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by mojojuju

Sure it would for costly keywords; whatever that means. Keywords are costly only to the extent that they don't produce positive cash flow. But a 1:140 conversion ratio won't necessarily bankrupt a marketer. I can think of one particular campaign I run that converts at about 1:200 and it's given me 200% ROI for the last 2 years. It isn't my biggest breadwinner, but it's profitable month after month.

You hit the nail, the recurring ones can be profitable even at 1for200. However they are profitable only people keep their memebership for several months. And that's something that you just discover by testing.
So you still need the cash for PPC in the first place

experienced PPC marketers can manage to get a good ROI, but you must admit that it's a nerve game.

[Mr Money Maker]

I don;t believe in using clickbank, there's no advantage to it at all.

[aboutalhah]

It's not about the gravity, it's about how you market the product, your target market and how you presell it.

Plus it depends on your niche. Do you use bonuses? What do you give to your potential buyers that others don't give to them?

is the product good? Is it a recurring product?

There are a lot of factors... and most importantly, how it does convert? what's your EPC? if you don't know your numbers, it will be very difficult to make a killing.

to your affiliate success,

Franck

[Amfire]

Mary,

What was your sample size?

"Premimum spying services" they offer you keywords some of the affiliates may be bidding on, Not necessarily keywords they are bidding on. Can these keywords convert for you?? do not tell me they convert and you are not bidding!!!

200 PPC clicks & no sale, such people should not do PPC, they are beginning to learn PPC.

Originally Posted by MaryT

Hi warriors,

time to give back and to kick the biggest Clickbank Myth

Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"

so, i have done something useful for newbie and even that advanced marketers will appreciate

I registered to premimum spying services like keywordspy and spyfu and collected information on top clickbank products on "Health and Fitness".
I also used some secrets source, that i can not reveal for copyright issues.

I will give you a summary that is really enough to take the right action

here is what i found for the health information products:
--you will get one sale for each 200 prospects you sent to their salespage

so if you know anything about conversion, that Suck Big Time.
and if you do PPC, this became a high stress game as the cost for 200 prospects can became prohibitive

from the products i checked the best case was 1 sale for each 140 visitors; and the worst was 1 sale for 320 visitors.

I am talking about product with graaity much higher than 100, i don't mention the name of the product to avoid any conflict with the owners

note, that i refer about the "health & fitness" category, some others categories perform better

the most interresting information from this spy session,
in fact you can not assume that a product with high gravity is the product to promote

all these rubbish affiliate ebooks recommending that youy get a product with gravity higher than 100 are written by people who never promoted clickbank products. Usually it's a PLR product repackaged by their favorite writer.

here is what you can take from me, the best converting information products i promote are not on clickbank and they have their own affiliate program.
the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

my 22 cents
Mary

[thomashoi]

It reallly depends on your target audience and how you will write in such a way
that will connect your audence to see the benefits of the product you recommend.

I ever promote a clickbank product with gravity > 200 and few hundered %
ROI using ppc.

Of course, the angle that i promote to my target audience is way off from
most affiliate marketers who are promoting the same product.

The key to suuccess in affiliate maketing is understanding your customer.

[MaryT]

@ Franck , when i refer to 1 sale in 200, it's the stats from clickbank

in fact with some the conversion was even worst in my case, as i mentioned i promoted a "Maveirck BS" that have right now a gravity of more than 200 and the converion suck big time for this one

I agree that there are differetns numbers when it come to conversion and a lot of factor.

So i am refering only to people who already have reached the salespage and didn't ordered.

-------
@ Amfire, each of these service provide differetn informations. And if u cross reference the differents sources. You have a serious edge in your niche.

If you have a membership in SPyfu+Keywordspy+Quancast+compete you can really have a really good picture of what the top affiliate are doing and how they perform.
you don't need these 4 services, just 2 will be enough.

You can find the buying keywords of PPC affilaites and that's priceless. that's how I find some little gems. these resources are fantastic when you have some experience in keywords research.

Mary

[Anonymous Affiliate]

Originally Posted by Lance K

IMO, ClickBank should do away with gravity and instead make each vendor post their conversion rate and refund rate (lifetime and current month).

I do agree, at least with the refund rate. There needs to be a way for affiliates to gauge an idea on the product refunds rate.

[Yahara]

Thx Mary 4 sharing. ;o)

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Anonymous Affiliate

I do agree, at least with the refund rate. There needs to be a way for affiliates to gauge an idea on the product refunds rate.

As per my previous reply:

How would you make vendors do this ?

and

How would you know the figures are true ?


But consider also this.

If I have a competitive product to yours

1. I can ruin your conversion rate by putting my
affiliate URL in a traffic site clocking up thousands of
useless hits


2. I can increase your refund rate by

a) getting lots of colleagues to purchase and refund

b) selling your product by bypassing your order form with
my own sales page where I falsify what the product can do

Harvey

[seasoned]

Originally Posted by MaryT

Hi warriors,

time to give back and to kick the biggest Clickbank Myth

Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"

so, i have done something useful for newbie and even that advanced marketers will appreciate

I registered to premimum spying services like keywordspy and spyfu and collected information on top clickbank products on "Health and Fitness".
I also used some secrets source, that i can not reveal for copyright issues.

I will give you a summary that is really enough to take the right action

here is what i found for the health information products:
--you will get one sale for each 200 prospects you sent to their salespage

so if you know anything about conversion, that Suck Big Time.
and if you do PPC, this became a high stress game as the cost for 200 prospects can became prohibitive

from the products i checked the best case was 1 sale for each 140 visitors; and the worst was 1 sale for 320 visitors.

I am talking about product with graaity much higher than 100, i don't mention the name of the product to avoid any conflict with the owners

note, that i refer about the "health & fitness" category, some others categories perform better

the most interresting information from this spy session,
in fact you can not assume that a product with high gravity is the product to promote

all these rubbish affiliate ebooks recommending that youy get a product with gravity higher than 100 are written by people who never promoted clickbank products. Usually it's a PLR product repackaged by their favorite writer.

here is what you can take from me, the best converting information products i promote are not on clickbank and they have their own affiliate program.
the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

my 22 cents
Mary

I'm not disputing what you say, but I will tell you another myth! One I see going around here a LOT and that I have seen EVERYWHERE, that is NOT TRUE! The myth? That all statistics are the SAME!

For example, let's say that the "BEST MARKETER IN THE WORLD" told you he is an affiliate for a site, and he makes 1 sale for every 1000 visitors. Maybe he DOES! Does that mean ANYTHING to you? NO WAY! Here are some things you have to consider:

1. HOW does he advertise?
2. HOW does he presell?
3. What does he give as bonuses?
4. HOW is he linking to the other site?
5. What are the chances of a session crash?
6. WHAT does he consider a visitor?
7. WHY did that visitor stay?
8. What's his sites navigation like?

BTW I may "visit" a site a dozen times before I buy something. I have seen some VERY misleading ads, enticing bonuses, had session crashes, Sometimes clicked to get information, etc... ALL of that would spoil your statistics! If you don't OWN the site, and count only YOUR sales, or soon go to the sites statistics are given on, HOW can you be sure?

Steve

[Dennis-White]

Ive noticed too, when I promote products with a gravity of over 100 It's taking me 100 hops and well over to make one sale... I have had better luck promoting CB products with gravity less then 15 or my own products. I can tend to make a sale every 50-60 hops... But even still it's a lot of work to keep consistent traffic flowing to keep making those daily sales

[FaJeeb]

Something else that I see a lot of, is people recommending that you make at least $20 or more per sale. I don't agree, any salesman could sell something for $40.00 before they can sell something for $100.00. I learned this selling cell phones for commission for an affiliate company of Verizon. People focus so much time and energy into high commission products and pay little to no attention to the actual price of the product to consumers.

For example, selling cell phones, there are those cheap phones you might get for a penny if you sign up to a monthly plan, the actual commission on those were like $25.00. Not much, right? But if you sold a high end PDA, you could earn $200 in commission, but they cost $800 to the consumer. Of course, every other employee was trying to sell these PDA's... and the people just didn't have the money for that. So, I could stand out and talk to people and tell why my cheapo phone is awesome, and I'd make at least 10 sales a day way easier, while my coworkers were busting their balls for this $200 commission they would be lucky if they even sold one a day, which was rare. Even if they did sell one, they would have to pray they didn't bring it back for a refund or get undercut by another person selling the same phone.

So for Clickbank, people are aiming for these high gravity high commission products and then having to deal with a lot of competition, and in the end, they could just be selling a similar product lower gravity, lower commission, with a lower overall price to the consumers which increases your chances of selling to more people, and you could end up making more money.

I'm currently doing this with a World of Warcraft eBook, instead of opting for the top eBook on Clickbank, I went with one of the lesser known ones with a decent sales page and I'm not doing too bad.

[jitterbug978]

Clickbank is definately saturated... I could promote the product with highest gravity and be successful... but why? That only makes things harder for me. I'm going to look for something that has an awesome sales page.. something new with low gravity. Then I could see twice the success and half the effort.. Me likey that.

[MaryT]

There are some thing that have been adressed by some advanced marketers here that are real eye opening

in fact some advanced marketers can acquire leads at a loss. Because they have a solid funnel; that is why it is MANDATORY to build a list even when you are promoting differetns niches.
Building a list and a solid backend for your niche is the way to go.

just promoting product for the direct sale without collecting emails is a very though road and where your chance to succedd lower quickly

Mary

[Amfire]

@ Amfire, each of these service provide differetn informations. And if u cross reference the differents sources. You have a serious edge in your niche.

I know what kind of edge i can have,

If you have a membership in SPyfu+Keywordspy+Quancast+compete you can really have a really good picture of what the top affiliate are doing and how they perform. you don't need these 4 services, just 2 will be enough.

All above keyword tool are good starting point, i have had paid membership with 2 of them, and I cancelled them long back, so I know little bit it. ( BTW these tools can easily be misled by anyone with small script)

You can find the buying keywords of PPC affilaites and that's priceless. that's how I find some little gems. these resources are fantastic when you have some experience in keywords research.

I can copy buying keywords from super affiliates, Will they convert for me? That is more important question to be answered i never denied you get fair enough understanding of nice, But can i compete with a Super affiliate? That is more critical to answer.

So, again if your OP is based on observation of keyword tools only, then that is your opinion not tested result.

[Ralf Skirr]

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

Was going to ask the same thing. Which websites have affiliate programs for high ticket items, I'm interested.

High ticket programs usually have their own affiliate program.

Their launches are much better controlled and micro-managed than just slapping up a clickbank sales letter.

Ralf

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Amfire

@ Amfire, each of these service provide differetn informations. And if u cross reference the differents sources. You have a serious edge in your niche.

I know what kind of edge i can have,

If you have a membership in SPyfu+Keywordspy+Quancast+compete you can really have a really good picture of what the top affiliate are doing and how they perform. you don't need these 4 services, just 2 will be enough.

All above keyword tool are good starting point, i have had paid membership with 2 of them, and I cancelled them long back, so I know little bit it. ( BTW these tools can easily be misled by anyone with small script)

You can find the buying keywords of PPC affilaites and that's priceless. that's how I find some little gems. these resources are fantastic when you have some experience in keywords research.

I can copy buying keywords from super affiliates, Will they convert for me? That is more important question to be answered i never denied you get fair enough understanding of nice, But can i compete with a Super affiliate? That is more critical to answer.

So, again if your OP is based on observation of keyword tools only, then that is your opinion not tested result.

@Amfire, I didn't post an opinion

It is a report from real stats,
Question:"how do you get these stats?"
Answer: I just can not copy this information for copyrights issue.

when i talk about the 1 sales for 200, i am talking about the top clickabnk product in "Health and fitness"

with some products from the business section i had even worse conversions from my affiliates blogs.

my advice is to search outside of clickbank, the best offers that work really well for me are not in clickbank. I will not post where they are, there are actually enough "affiliates directories providing" good program to promote; you have to find your nugget.

what i usually do with "buying keywords" from super affiliates is use them to promote others product than the one promoted by the owner. If the niche is big enough i will create a short report to collect the emails address

Mary

[Josef_Benjamin]

wooooow..very funny thread.

I like your sense of humor MaryT

So...when something doesn't work for YOU, that means it doesn't and can't work for anybody else...even other affiliate marketers who DID find a way to market clickbank products successfully and come out profitably?

I market with clickbank with no problemo and I make pretty good money.

It's all in the approach and HOW you do it. And I gaurantee you, it's rarely the product itself that fails to convert, it's the marketer promoting it.

I digress, I just hope there aren't many new marketers here reading this thread with any degree of seriousness and taking it for what it is...

a grain of salt.

back to work I go. cheers

[redicelander]

Do CPA instead. Higher conversions and you can talk to actual people (affiliate managers) who can tell you what's converting.

[culvers]

interesting posts. I saw some great products and sales pages on clickbank, but was hesitant to promote them because of all the email capture business, i think a large amount of traffic you refer will be made a sale at a later date, cutting you and your comission out

[JR Rich]

Originally Posted by MaryT

There are some thing that have been adressed by some advanced marketers here that are real eye opening

in fact some advanced marketers can acquire leads at a loss. Because they have a solid funnel; that is why it is MANDATORY to build a list even when you are promoting differetns niches.
Building a list and a solid backend for your niche is the way to go.

just promoting product for the direct sale without collecting emails is a very though road and where your chance to succedd lower quickly

Mary

Mary,

I once read about a prominent online marketer who stated "You can take away my websites, my bank accounts, my cars, and even my house, and as long as I have my list, I'll be back on top within 14 days!"

Money-making schemes come and go, but until somebody replaces email, having your own list is the golden road to wealth.

Gosh! That sounds like a pretty good sig!

--JR

[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

As per my previous reply:

How would you make vendors do this ?

and

How would you know the figures are true ?


But consider also this.

If I have a competitive product to yours

1. I can ruin your conversion rate by putting my
affiliate URL in a traffic site clocking up thousands of
useless hits


2. I can increase your refund rate by

a) getting lots of colleagues to purchase and refund

b) selling your product by bypassing your order form with
my own sales page where I falsify what the product can do

Harvey

You're a BAD MAN, Harvey! J/K

You point out some legitimate flaws. My mind just doesn't work like that, so I give others too much credit for being ethical.

Surely there are ways to combat those issues. Aren't there? It would probably be more hassle than it's worth though.

[Kiwigal]

Originally Posted by Josef_Benjamin

wooooow..very funny thread.

I like your sense of humor MaryT

So...when something doesn't work for YOU, that means it doesn't and can't work for anybody else...even other affiliate marketers who DID find a way to market clickbank products successfully and come out profitably?

I market with clickbank with no problemo and I make pretty good money.

It's all in the approach and HOW you do it. And I gaurantee you, it's rarely the product itself that fails to convert, it's the marketer promoting it.

I digress, I just hope there aren't many new marketers here reading this thread with any degree of seriousness and taking it for what it is...


a grain of salt.

back to work I go. cheers

I agree entirely, I promote both high and low gravity products on clickbank, it,s all the same to me, I soon discover which products are selling and which aren,t. I like clickbank and as far as saturation of some of there high gravity products, you just have to find your own space in that market.

[tools951]

Hey Mary T. I see you done alot of work to generate that sale with clickbank. Maybe you need to focus on targeting your audience that will definitely buy your product. These prospects are know as desperate buyers. You have to use atrractive keywords such as

Cure
Buy
help

These are only a few.
To learn more click my signature link below my post.
Any questions give me an email.

Good luck!

[SeanSupplee]

You know many of you fail at one important step. YOU DONT BUILD YOUR LIST! Why in the world are you paying for traffic and working your butt off to make 50% commission and out of 200 visitors if no one buys your left with nothing but an empty pocket and well you did not build you list. At least find a way to build your list instead of hard selling someone there is a reason why there are articles, autoresponder series etc in many affiliate areas for many of these products. At least come away with something. More then likely you will improve your conversions as well by giving some free tips away or products just for listing to your sales pitch. Plus since you went out of your way to give them something of value for free they may feel more inclined to buy from you.

[Frank Bruno]

Gravity should be used as an indicator only.

The actual product,offer,sales funnel, and the copy on the sales page would be a better indicator.

Unfortunately a lot of affiliate marketers still don't have the experience level to know whether a sales page or sales funnel they are driving traffic to would potentially have a good conversion rate or not for them.

Also there is a big risk using in-house affiliate programs. Often the tracking sucks because the site owner doesn't know what they are doing (or doesn't care) and you also may never get paid by them for the commissions you earned.


Frank Bruno

[Affiliate Portal]

Originally Posted by James401

Would you like to share??

Hey guys, the way to find programs like these are through brute force google searches. I have had much success like this. I love promoting outside the major networks. Less competition and more interesting products.

Try queries similar to these:
http://www.google.com/search?q="pays+%24100+per+lead"

This is EXACTLY what I have taught on various webinars I have done on aff mkt.

Good luck,
Corey Bornmann

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Kiwigal

I agree entirely, I promote both high and low gravity products on clickbank, it,s all the same to me, I soon discover which products are selling and which aren,t. I like clickbank and as far as saturation of some of there high gravity products, you just have to find your own space in that market.

You guys both didn't get it, but i'm not going all the length explain you why,
i will look like your Math teacher
you have to read all the thread, take some note and think about all the comments posted by experienced warriors, ther are a few gems
after that i suggest you read some reference book about conversion like "tiny changes big profits" and you may increase your profits by 2 or 5 next month.

my 22cents
Mary

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Affiliate Portal

Hey guys, the way to find programs like these are through brute force google searches. I have had much success like this. I love promoting outside the major networks. Less competition and more interesting products.

Try queries similar to these:
http://www.google.com/search?q="pays+%24100+per+lead"

This is EXACTLY what I have taught on various webinars I have done on aff mkt.

Good luck,
Corey Bornmann

I agree 100% with you Corey, just a little outside of the classic path search and you find some pure gems to promote.

just do a little more search when you start and you can increase your ROI

[JR Rich]

Originally Posted by Frank Bruno

Also there is a big risk using in-house affiliate programs. Often the tracking sucks because the site owner doesn't know what they are doing (or doesn't care) and you also may never get paid by them for the commissions you earned. Frank Bruno

Frank,
On the mark here. Private affiliate programs - unless they're from a large, reputable marketer - can be shaky at best.

This is where Clickbank and the other major affiliate distributors made their 'splash' in this business - absolute dependability with regards to affiliate payouts. If you can't trust that your commissions will be paid accurately and on time, you might have a tendency to stay away from the program!

Clickbank has their problems - granted - but their dependability as to commissions has always been top-notch.

Regards,
--JR Rich