Why you'll fail at clickbank.....Shocking true!!!!

[MaryT]

Hi warriors,

time to give back and to kick the biggest Clickbank Myth

Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"

so, i have done something useful for newbie and even that advanced marketers will appreciate

I registered to premimum spying services like keywordspy and spyfu and collected information on top clickbank products on "Health and Fitness".
I also used some secrets source, that i can not reveal for copyright issues.

I will give you a summary that is really enough to take the right action

here is what i found for the health information products:
--you will get one sale for each 200 prospects you sent to their salespage

so if you know anything about conversion, that Suck Big Time.
and if you do PPC, this became a high stress game as the cost for 200 prospects can became prohibitive

from the products i checked the best case was 1 sale for each 140 visitors; and the worst was 1 sale for 320 visitors.

I am talking about product with graaity much higher than 100, i don't mention the name of the product to avoid any conflict with the owners

note, that i refer about the "health & fitness" category, some others categories perform better

the most interresting information from this spy session,
in fact you can not assume that a product with high gravity is the product to promote

all these rubbish affiliate ebooks recommending that youy get a product with gravity higher than 100 are written by people who never promoted clickbank products. Usually it's a PLR product repackaged by their favorite writer.

here is what you can take from me, the best converting information products i promote are not on clickbank and they have their own affiliate program.
the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

my 22 cents
Mary

[mikeyman120]

Where in the world is Clickbank Myth #2? Anyway what about the counter on the clickbank homepage of how much they have paid out, thats not a counter of people failing.

Mike

[Kevin Williams]

Actually Mary is right ... if you can manage to read that. Promoting products with 100+ gravity is a way to fail. In fact, anything over 50 probably won't do well. Look for lower gravity, I prefer 5-30 and find a good sales page.

Many of these sell WAY better than the high gravity products.

[Tony Dean]

One sale in 140 would bankrupt a marketer using Google Adwords, especially for costly keywords.

The market for Clickbank is very over crowded - time to promote other things not shown on there.

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by mikeyman120

Where in the world is Clickbank Myth #2? Anyway what about the counter on the clickbank homepage of how much they have paid affiliates, thats not a counter of people failing.

Mike

Good point, that's the money paid to affiliate and products owners

this is just about Myth#1, if you go deeper the affiliate who still promote these top products using PPC, have a system in place working with low margin, mean it's ok if you have deep pockets. So if you are a mster at PPC and can pay 200$ a day to get back 240$ you can do it, if you have the cash. As the clickbank payment come later.

again, some products have better conversion but i can tell you that the ones i mention are those in "health and fitness" top sellers

Some others niches perform much better at 1 sale for 40 to 80 visitors.

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

Actually Mary is right ... if you can manage to read that. Promoting products with 100+ gravity is a way to fail. In fact, anything over 50 probably won't do well. Look for lower gravity, I prefer 5-30 and find a good sales page.

Many of these sell WAY better than the high gravity products.

You are right Kevin, i had better conversion with product with gravity in the range 20-50

somethings to consider is
it's much more about the salesleter and the funnel process.
Did they capture emails, exit popup, ...etc; but also the competition also play a big role.

also the high gravity, is high competition and the visiotrs had more chance to being cookie stuffed during their search

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Tony Dean

One sale in 140 would bankrupt a marketer using Google Adwords, especially for costly keywords.

The market for Clickbank is very over crowded - time to promote other things not shown on there.

Tony tons of marketers have lost their shirt on PPC promoting clickbank products

the thing i discovered is tha outside of clickbank you find products to promte that give you hundreths of dollars per sale. You can find tons of high ticket items to promote outside of clickbank when you dig a little bit

[James401]

Originally Posted by MaryT

Tony tons of marketers have lost their shirt on PPC promoting clickbank products

the thing i discovered is tha outside of clickbank you find products to promte that give you hundreths of dollars per sale. You can find tons of high ticket items to promote outside of clickbank when you dig a little bit

Would you like to share??

[Kevin Williams]

Was going to ask the same thing. Which websites have affiliate programs for high ticket items, I'm interested.

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by mikeyman120

Where in the world is Clickbank Myth #2? Anyway what about the counter on the clickbank homepage of how much they have paid affiliates, thats not a counter of people failing.

Mike

Mike
Myth#2 is for the next episode

Just to clarify as some newbie don't undestand everything(i don't say you are a newbie)

if you pay 7,000$ in PPC to drive traffic to clickbank products and you generate 4,000$ sales , you have lost more than 3,000$. And you have reduced your cashflow in the process, cashflow is the lifeblood of any business. The 4,000$ will add up to the counter clickbank put on their sales page.

The counter show the sales generated, not the PPC Costs of the affiliates.

Again, for newbie the advice is to avoid PPC as an affiliate.
And if possible go for a product creation, this increase drastically your chance of success.

[iplusgold]

I too have noticed the terrible conversion in some niches with clickbank and have often wondered why. It's left me wondering if alot of the sales and hops are not being counted due to browser issues or tracking issues or just maybe people were removing the hoplink affilitate code (before the encrypted links came out).

I'm really not sure what the deal is but i recently ran a sales campaign using clickbank and the conversion was pretty bad and when I swapped out clickbank for a standard 2co payment process the conversion increased noticeably.

So overall im not sure what the deal is but there is a noticeable diference (in the niche I was operating in anyway).

Hope that helps

[MaryT]

Ok guys as people are asking, the best way is to use Yahoo and Google search

so if you have developped a website around "business advertising"

i will make a search of
"advertising" + "small business" + "Affiliate program"
"advertising" + "small business" + "join affiliate program"
"advertising" + "small business" + "Affiliates program"
"advertising" + "small business" + "join affiliates program"
etc.... you get the picture
I always check Google and Yahoo

But first, i will recommend your expand beyond clickbank by doing a basic
"affiliate program directory"

there are others directories that provide good converting program

my favorite directory to find products is CJ .com ; I promote more and more physical products and services and do quite well with CJ.
the biggest advantage of CJ is that by chosing the right program you really promote for the long run

when you find a program outside of the "affiliates directories", i recommend you conatct the owner before promoting, as payment can be an issue.
If you perform well with a gem you have found,
come back to the owner and negotiate a higher comiission, no businessman will turn you down

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

Was going to ask the same thing. Which websites have affiliate programs for high ticket items, I'm interested.

for the high ticket item, you have to find doing an extensive search using google/yahoo.

ok, i give you some that don't compete with me.
if you go to the Amazon affiliate program, Amazon is a killer place for that as they have high priced products to sell.
Killer tips of the day: go to the best sellers section and browse by section, you will find what people buy in amazon. now build a blog promoting these products, amazon provide you with all the widgets and there are some nice amazon plugin to star promoting these products.

so getting 7 to 15% on a 1K-5K$ product is more rewarding.

hope this help
Mary

[sdcast]

Hi everyone,

i'm not trying to get off the subject of clickbank.

but speaking of affiliate programs that pay $100 per sale.
how about programs that pay $100 per lead!

yes, i've found one at shareasale.com it's in the forex market.

and i'm about to promote the heck out of it, once i get my website and marketing system set up.

to apply at shareasale they require you to have your own site and site email address. they will verify this.


just passing this info, along. plenty of room for everyone to make money.

much success

sdcast

[Francois du_Toit]

Originally Posted by MaryT

Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"

Ageed.

However, I don't agree that your test results can be used as any form of proof that lower gravity products convert better...

Fact of the matter is that a high gravity is an indication that a product has been converting for many different affiliates during the last 8 weeks. Most affiliates will not continue to promote a product that does not convert well.

the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

This is a very generalized statement that I can't agree with.

All the best,

Francois

[Richlion]

Those with high gravity means that there are a lot of people promoting it. here's a clue, look for those that are moving from page 3 or 4 up to page 2 or 1. that means a trend is showing and time to jump on it.
richlion

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Francois du_Toit

Ageed.

However, I don't agree that your test results can be used as any form of proof that lower gravity products convert better...

Fact of the matter is that a high gravity is an indication that a product has been converting for many different affiliates during the last 8 weeks. Most affiliates will not continue to promote a product that does not convert well.



This is a very generalized statement that I can't agree with.

All the best,

Francois

Some people are very good at promoting their affiliate program

but a conversion of 1 for 200 doesn't motivate me that much

in fact i am buring to posts some links, if it was not this damn copyrights issue

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I never say that lower gravity convert better

I just say that Myth#1 is misguiding the newbies and even some advanced marketers

when i read an ebook and the guy say take the higher gravity product and start to promote, i say probably he does not know much or worse he never had done it before

promote an ebook product that convert at 1sales for each 20 visitors i send them. it has more to do with the sales process and how they are very good at capturiing the email address. the gravity is just part of the equation

you have to use brain power when selecting the product you promote

fact of the matter is that some products will not convert well becuase their sales page sucks

--------------Here is what i know fo a fact:

--You can trick the gravity number, so it is not as accurate; especially when it come to "make money online". The worst converting was a "Maverick BS maker" that put a lot of energy to inflate the gravity, i can tell you even how they have done it.

---having a high gravity can be done without any other trick than having a good promotion of yor affiliate program. This does not mean nothing regarding your conversion process.

The conversion of the sales process and the Gravity and Popularity are just two differetn things

that's my take on clickbank

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why I love CJ, because you have a much more reliabel way to know what to expect from a promotion before even starting the promotion. Their numbers are much more accurates.

You say:
" Most affiliates will not continue to promote a product that does not convert well."
Yes you will lose PPC affiliates, But you can still maintian a high gravity by tricking the system, and people who don't know beter will still promote your products. And if you are good at promoting your affiliate program you can rstill recruit more PPC affilaites.

the only one that is guaranteed to not lose his shirt is the owner of his product, that's what i say. yes people make money with affiliate, but this post is a warning about the danger of not knowing the trciks of the trades.

check the super affiliate "Ewen Chia", how much products he put on the market per year.

I have been succesfully promoting a niche product outside of clickbank, and will launch my onw product in this niche next month to increase my profits.

I walk the walk, so my Big Warning is keep aware that some people make money selling "how to make yadi yada with clickbank" ...
..when they never made a penny of what they preach

my 22cents
Mary

[Karen Connell]

Originally Posted by MaryT

Tony tons of marketers have lost their shirt on PPC promoting clickbank products

the thing i discovered is tha outside of clickbank you find products to promte that give you hundreths of dollars per sale. You can find tons of high ticket items to promote outside of clickbank when you dig a little bit

This is a thread that was on here not too long ago about high ticket affiliate programs.

Click Here

This should give you some ideas.

Karen

[Hyaku_Man]

I never understood why people recommend high gravity products. Why compete with tons of affiliates? But a low-medium gravity product shows that it's at lest saleable, but not high competition.

lol @ "my 22 cents" Now that's some confidence!

[CBSnooper]

I've always gone for products with a gravity of less than 30. The market is way too saturated to promote anything above 100 imho, (unless you have a website in that niche that has hundreds of visitors a day with no promotion or ppc)

[Steven Rayne]

I have a product with a gravity of 10. I have had more than 300 people to the sales page (more like 400 I think)

I made my first sale on the first day of having my affiliate link on my sales page (I was already driving some article traffic to it.

The problem is that I've only made that one sale. I thought I'd have another one by now!

Why am I failing at clickbank?

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Hyaku_Man

I never understood why people recommend high gravity products. Why compete with tons of affiliates? But a low-medium gravity product shows that it's at lest saleable, but not high competition.

lol @ "my 22 cents" Now that's some confidence!

I think thos who recommend high gravity are the "make money online while seling products to make money online to the hungry crowd to make money online by telling them to repackage PLR report as they did in the first place"

ususally when a marketer tell me to promote high gravity , it's a sign that he probably make moeny from just his product and not what pretend to have been done

there are just too much people selling expertise they just don't have, the worst example i saw was a fake website flipper selling a 97$ product teaching something that he never really did.

Mary

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Steven Rayne

I have a product with a gravity of 10. I have had more than 300 people to the sales page (more like 400 I think)

I made my first sale on the first day of having my affiliate link on my sales page (I was already driving some article traffic to it.

The problem is that I've only made that one sale. I thought I'd have another one by now!

Why am I failing at clickbank?

How many emails did you captured from these 300?
did you know the size of your market in term of search volume?

300 is just a too low number to start with.
you can try to buy some traffic to see if this is related to your salespage, find some adwords/Yahoo/Facebook coupons for free PPC; it's usually enough to start testing your conversion.

you have to learn how to cature emails and probably to redo the sales page. Try to emulate others succesful products or hire a good copywriter. A professional salespage can make a huge difference. Check your stats, how much time people spend on your site, if they spend less than 10sec you have not done a good job.

you can pm me, i can review your salespage and give you some tips to increase the conversion.

Mary

[MaryT]

MYTH#2 = you just have to put a blog with a review template comparing 3 top high gravity products to retire in Hawaii next month.

these review templates perform really badly, i tried the most nicely designed and they sucks in conversion(I mean 1sale in 400 visits, and very low clickthrough rate).
They smell "I AM SELLING YOU SOMETHING", the best way to presell a product is to make a real review of the product as a customer, say what you like and what you don't like. You can add a bonus if it make sense to increase the conversion.


so the Rule is to have one page focusing on one call to action,
a confused mind = death prospects.
Don't confuse your prospects by telling them the features/benfits of 3 products when they reach your page by searching on one product

Mary

[dndoseller]

I compelety agree - on a overall revenue per click nothing including click bank beats adsense and a few CPA offers. On a per click basis CB has paid the worst. But that is just my experience. However having my own ebook on CB has gone very well.

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by dndoseller

I compelety agree - on a overall revenue per click nothing including click bank beats adsense and a few CPA offers. On a per click basis CB has paid the worst. But that is just my experience. However having my own ebook on CB has gone very well.

Yes, and now you can expand on your ebook customers to offer moe products to these customers. The backend is where the big donuts piles up

Mary

[Snow_Predator]

I've sent many hundreds of visitors to 2 clickbank weight loss products with gravity >200, and NOT A SINGLE SALE! Whereas some of the lower gravity ones who I myself deemed to have good solid salespages, HAVE made me a few sales.

I should also mention that one of these high gravity products is probably the best thing I've read on weight loss, it just has an absolutely CRAP sales page. A shame to be honest.

[John11]

Higher gravity shows more people are selling that product and the product has more sales? So is the answer is to go with a product with lower gravity?

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by John11

Higher gravity shows more people are selling that product and the product has more sales? So is the answer is to go with a product with lower gravity?

Nope, you have to promote a product that convert well.

My point is that high gravity does not equal high conversions. That's what people confuse, and low gravity or any number does not equal good conversion

when chosing a product you must not rely only on gravity as most "clickbank affiliates BS blueprint" mention, you have to use your common sense.

a conversion of 1sales for 200 targeted visitors is a really bad thing when you promote products that have maximum payout in the range of 50$

again for me the best converting products are not on the clickbank marketplace for my niches. and i prefer to rely on CJ.com stats and tools that are much more reliable for a promotion.

if you are promoting clickbank products with seo blog.

matter of fact is that the top products i tracked in the "Health and fitness" category in clickbank have horrible conversion

i also spend some energy promoting some "make money online" products that have gravity higher than 100 and the conversions were just too low. the worst being the "Maverick BS makers"

so, you have to check the market a little more to find out if the product really worth it.

don't rely on gravity only for your product selection.

I am writing an extensive report in my spare time, and will provide it for free next week.

Mary

[MaryT]

Originally Posted by Snow_Predator

I've sent many hundreds of visitors to 2 clickbank weight loss products with gravity >200, and NOT A SINGLE SALE! Whereas some of the lower gravity ones who I myself deemed to have good solid salespages, HAVE made me a few sales.

I should also mention that one of these high gravity products is probably the best thing I've read on weight loss, it just has an absolutely CRAP sales page. A shame to be honest.

there is a way around, but you need some geek skills

you can create a video to promote the crappy sales page, by integrating the direct payment link inside your own page. it's a little technical, but it's a technique some top affiliate use when they spot a good product with porr copy. You even have an edge as not so much people will promote a non converting sales page, so more sales for you

Mary

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by Francois du_Toit

Fact of the matter is that a high gravity is an indication that a product has been converting for many different affiliates during the last 8 weeks. Most affiliates will not continue to promote a product that does not convert well.

Indeed ... but if they've promoted it and made a sale during the last 8 weeks, they're included in the gravity figure even if they've now stopped promoting it, as many will have done, because of poor conversion-rates, while many others (knowing no better) are "attracted in" by the high gravity figure.

Mary's figures are actually not evidence of lower-gravity products having higher conversion-rates or being better to promote. For myself, though, I do find lower gravity products better to promote, and since stopping promoting higher gravity products, am doing very much better on Clickbank.

There's no correlation between gravity figures and conversion-rates at all. This isn't what gravity measures at all. Nor does it even pretend to. Most affiliates assume that high gravity products have higher conversion rates. And most affiliates are wrong, in my opinion.

I've done very much better with products with much lower gravities, myself. So I agree with Mary's conclusions anyway, in a sense, but I don't actually accept that her research substantiates them.

Originally Posted by MaryT

the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

And like Francois, I simply can't agree with this part at all. I know many people making very good money from Clickbank without their own product. I'm not even doing badly myself, now I've worked out how to ignore misinformation and test things for myself.

Originally Posted by John11

Higher gravity shows more people are selling that product and the product has more sales?

No, John, it doesn't show that the product has more sales at all. It shows that "more people have made one or more sale of the product". This is often the case with products that have fewer sales. To take an extreme example, just to illustrate a common point: a small handful of superaffiliates making 1,000 sales each adds up to a lot more than 300 people struggling to make 1 or 2 sales each. That's "Clickbank arithmetic" for you.

[Robyn8243]

Gravity is an indicator that sales are being made, but especially in make money niche, it does not necessarily mean that tons of affiliates are making sales.

When there is a huge launch and everyone starts promoting to their list, high gravity can indicate that many affiliates are simply buying through their own links. Gravity would probably be a better indicator if the number only included affiliates who made minimum of 2 sales. Probably a good indication of a decent sales page....without that, even affiliates would not buy...but does not mean that there are a ton of independent sales at asking price.

Even in unrelated niches, with so many Clickbank product owners adding HUGE OBVIOUS "affilates" or "earn money" links to their sales pages, even people who just discovered Clickbank 30 seconds ago end up buying from themselves.

Robyn

[The 13th Warrior]

Originally Posted by MaryT

I think thos who recommend high gravity are the "make money online while seling products to make money online to the hungry crowd to make money online by telling them to repackage PLR report as they did in the first place"

ususally when a marketer tell me to promote high gravity , it's a sign that he probably make moeny from just his product and not what pretend to have been done

there are just too much people selling expertise they just don't have, the worst example i saw was a fake website flipper selling a 97$ product teaching something that he never really did.

Mary

Yeah, what she said.

Probably some of the best points, to date.

Really, really very important stuff to keep in mind and watch out for.

A most excellent heads-up reality check.

The 13 th Warrior

[bbenson19]

Clickbank is a great way to learn how to market in affiliate marketing, but be wary of "online millionaires" who claims that this should be this and this should be that. You should always put yourself in the prospective of the buyer, if you are not convinced with the sales page , your clients wont be either.

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by MaryT

by integrating the direct payment link inside your own page.

Note that you must agree this with the vendor first

Harvey



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[MaryT]

here is a product used to trick the gravity CBCentrifuge dot com ; this explain you how to have a high gravity real fast. And i know for sure top sellers products using this method to have a high gravity.

in fact you can have a high gravity with zero affiliate if you use this method.

a hint to spot the fakers is to check how much "PPC affilaites" promote the product and for how long. A high gravity with very few "PPC" campaigns running smell like a rat

[MaryT]

in the "make money online" and "affiliate marketing" niche you find most of the gravity fraud.
In fact Clickbank should find a way to sort this out, they will get more trust from the affiliates. for me , i prefer to promote CJ or others affiliates network product and it proved more profitable so far.

some people have their own affiliate program and convert at a much higer rate.

figure out, you promote a product that get 1 sale for 200 visitors; when there is another product that can get you 1 sale for each 25 visitors. do you see how much money you just lost promoting the wrong one.

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@ Harvey,
I agree, you should contact the vendor before doing that

[Alexa Smith]

Originally Posted by MaryT

a hint to spot the fakers is to check how much "PPC affilaites" promote the product and for how long. A high gravity with very few "PPC" campaigns running smell like a rat

Yes, I agree - I've found my impression of this a reliable indicator.

Originally Posted by MaryT

in the "make money online" and "affiliate marketing" niche you find most of the gravity fraud.

I've never seen proof of this, but I do believe it.

I also suspect that the weight-loss niche may not be immune to this, too.

Originally Posted by MaryT

In fact Clickbank should find a way to sort this out, they will get more trust from the affiliates.

In my opinion, the main things Clickbank could do, to gain more trust from the affiliates, are responding to their email, providing something that at least passes for "customer service", not pretending to be perfect and having the attitude that nothing is ever their fault or their responsibility, and giving affiliates the information they need, in order to make informed decisions, instead of "gravity" and "popularity", one of which is hugely misunderstood and the other intrinsically secretive and not too informative.

To me, the big problem appears to be that everything about their behaviour suggests that they don't want to gain more trust from affiliates. In my opinion, they're either "bad people" or possibly "good people contriving through persistent carelessness to behave like bad people": the effect is similarly off-putting, unpleasant and frustrating in either case. In my opinion, their idea of "public relations and image management" is frankly akin to a sick joke.

[mmurtha]

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

Actually Mary is right ... if you can manage to read that. Promoting products with 100+ gravity is a way to fail. In fact, anything over 50 probably won't do well. Look for lower gravity, I prefer 5-30 and find a good sales page.

Many of these sell WAY better than the high gravity products.

Mary and Kevin,

I agree with you both. I've been doing better with products with much lower gravity then 100 or above.

Lol I don't put much faith in CB's gravity system because it's too easy to game that system, and that's been tr5ied and proven especially in the IM arena.

To be honest with everyone, I do better outside of CB using independent affiliate programs in IM and other niches. It's like anything else, people need to do their own research and testing.

[carlo_sim]

Originally Posted by mmurtha

Mary and Kevin,

I agree with you both. I've been doing better with products with much lower gravity then 100 or above.

Lol I don't put much faith in CB's gravity system because it's too easy to game that system, and that's been tr5ied and proven especially in the IM arena.

To be honest with everyone, I do better outside of CB using independent affiliate programs in IM and other niches. It's like anything else, people need to do their own research and testing.

I second that. I have been in the internet marketing game for almost 3 - 4 months now. Started promoting clickbank and cpa products but didnt have much success on both of them rather i started making much sales promoting physical products. market health also has a good affiliate program on health products. CJ is also one. Think outside of the box. The only way to earn big from this game is to discovera high converting niche where there is less competition. Rinse then repeat. Scale it up.

[graham41]

Mary,

I agree-I'll give clicbank a miss -over-rated

[mikeyman120]

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

if you can manage to read that.

Yes, I can. dank you sirs!

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

Promoting products with 100+ gravity is a way to fail.

For some people sure. Not for everyone!

Originally Posted by Kevin Williams

In fact, anything over 50 probably won't do well.

Not if you have a big list. You can promote anything with any gravity and still make a killing. Unless your talking about on adwords.

Mike

[TommyBussey]

So, I think that part of what you're saying is true. However, I have an e-mail list in the Health and Fitness niche that I promote to using solely CB products. And, I can't complain about the results

I think that promoting CB products is effective when you have a list who loves you and trusts what you say.

Also, I wanted to add a quick fact about CB gravity. The definition of Clickbank gravity is basically this:

The number in the gravity column refers to the lowest number of affiliates promoting that product in a given time period.

So, if a product has a gravity of 100, that means that 100 affiliates were the least amount of affiliate promoting the product recently.

My advice, take a look at sales pages your self! Screw the gravity levels haha They really only tell me that the market is mass saturated with affiliates promoting those products.

Originally Posted by MaryT

Hi warriors,

time to give back and to kick the biggest Clickbank Myth

Clickbank Myth#1= "You just have to promote a Clickbank product with gravity higher than 100 to make a fortune as an affiliate"

so, i have done something useful for newbie and even that advanced marketers will appreciate

I registered to premimum spying services like keywordspy and spyfu and collected information on top clickbank products on "Health and Fitness".
I also used some secrets source, that i can not reveal for copyright issues.

I will give you a summary that is really enough to take the right action

here is what i found for the health information products:
--you will get one sale for each 200 prospects you sent to their salespage

so if you know anything about conversion, that Suck Big Time.
and if you do PPC, this became a high stress game as the cost for 200 prospects can became prohibitive

from the products i checked the best case was 1 sale for each 140 visitors; and the worst was 1 sale for 320 visitors.

I am talking about product with graaity much higher than 100, i don't mention the name of the product to avoid any conflict with the owners

note, that i refer about the "health & fitness" category, some others categories perform better

the most interresting information from this spy session,
in fact you can not assume that a product with high gravity is the product to promote

all these rubbish affiliate ebooks recommending that youy get a product with gravity higher than 100 are written by people who never promoted clickbank products. Usually it's a PLR product repackaged by their favorite writer.

here is what you can take from me, the best converting information products i promote are not on clickbank and they have their own affiliate program.
the only way to make good money from clickbank is to develop your own product.

my 22 cents
Mary

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by TommyBussey

Also, I wanted to add a quick fact about CB gravity. The definition of Clickbank gravity is basically this:

The number in the gravity column refers to the lowest number of affiliates promoting that product in a given time period.

So, if a product has a gravity of 100, that means that 100 affiliates were the least amount of affiliate promoting the product recently.

This is incorrect for two reasons

1) It's not affiliates 'promoting' but affiliates 'making sales'

2) The gravity figure does not represent a minimum. It is just a relative figure.

Harvey


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[JR Rich]

All,
Selling directly to unknown customers is one of the most difficult of tasks. You don't know them, they don't know you and they have no reason to trust what you're advocating.

In today's online world, people are bombarded constantly with "Can't Fail" offers of one sort or another. It's all getting to be one, huge fog to everybody!

That's why you Must embrace a more relationship-based marketing approach. In other words, our focus should be to get prospects on an email list and then to build a strong trusting relationship with them.

Once your subscribers begin to like and trust you, selling them a related offer becomes much more likely and your conversion ratio will be considerably higher than PPC.

Regards,
--JR

[Lance K]

IMO, ClickBank should do away with gravity and instead make each vendor post their conversion rate and refund rate (lifetime and current month).

I'm trying to think of an instance where gravity would be relevant. The number of people who make a sale doesn't matter. There are all sorts of real estate agents who make 1 sale every 8 weeks. But I wouldn't consider them a shining example of success when it comes to selling real estate.

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Lance K

IMO, ClickBank should do away with gravity and instead make each vendor post their conversion rate and refund rate (lifetime and current month).

How would you make them ?

How would you know the figures are true ?

Where would vendors get the figures from ? (I'll explain more depending on your reply)

Harvey


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[Lance K]

Originally Posted by Harvey.Segal

How would you make them ?

How would you know the figures are true ?

Where would vendors get the figures from ? (I'll explain more depending on your reply)

Harvey

I get your point, Harvey. It would be a huge undertaking and a giant PITA. And ClickBank exists to serve vendors. So I realize it won't happen. Just dreaming out loud.

[Harvey Segal]

Originally Posted by Lance K

And ClickBank exists to serve vendors.

Well . . . you might be interested to know what ClickBank said to us
at the ClickBank European Client Meetings

Their first words "Without our affiliates we are nothing"

Harvey

[LilBlackDress]

Great post Mary!

So what do you think of FatLoss4Idiots

"The only way to earn big from this game is to discovera high converting niche where there is less competition. Rinse then repeat. Scale it up."
And how do you find it Giansim?