Why you'll fail at clickbank.....Shocking true!!!!

One sale in 140 would bankrupt a marketer using Google Adwords, especially for costly keywords.

The market for Clickbank is very over crowded - time to promote other things not shown on there.

Good point, that's the money paid to affiliate and products owners

this is just about Myth#1, if you go deeper the affiliate who still promote these top products using PPC, have a system in place working with low margin, mean it's ok if you have deep pockets. So if you are a mster at PPC and can pay 200$ a day to get back 240$ you can do it, if you have the cash. As the clickbank payment come later.

again, some products have better conversion but i can tell you that the ones i mention are those in "health and fitness" top sellers

Some others niches perform much better at 1 sale for 40 to 80 visitors.

Mike
Myth#2 is for the next episode

Just to clarify as some newbie don't undestand everything(i don't say you are a newbie)

if you pay 7,000$ in PPC to drive traffic to clickbank products and you generate 4,000$ sales , you have lost more than 3,000$. And you have reduced your cashflow in the process, cashflow is the lifeblood of any business. The 4,000$ will add up to the counter clickbank put on their sales page.

The counter show the sales generated, not the PPC Costs of the affiliates.

Again, for newbie the advice is to avoid PPC as an affiliate.
And if possible go for a product creation, this increase drastically your chance of success.

You are right Kevin, i had better conversion with product with gravity in the range 20-50

somethings to consider is
it's much more about the salesleter and the funnel process.
Did they capture emails, exit popup, ...etc; but also the competition also play a big role.

also the high gravity, is high competition and the visiotrs had more chance to being cookie stuffed during their search

Mary and Kevin,

I agree with you both. I've been doing better with products with much lower gravity then 100 or above.

Lol I don't put much faith in CB's gravity system because it's too easy to game that system, and that's been tr5ied and proven especially in the IM arena.

To be honest with everyone, I do better outside of CB using independent affiliate programs in IM and other niches. It's like anything else, people need to do their own research and testing.

Yes, I can. dank you sirs!

For some people sure. Not for everyone!

Not if you have a big list. You can promote anything with any gravity and still make a killing. Unless your talking about on adwords.

Mike

for the high ticket item, you have to find doing an extensive search using google/yahoo.

ok, i give you some that don't compete with me.
if you go to the Amazon affiliate program, Amazon is a killer place for that as they have high priced products to sell.
Killer tips of the day: go to the best sellers section and browse by section, you will find what people buy in amazon. now build a blog promoting these products, amazon provide you with all the widgets and there are some nice amazon plugin to star promoting these products.

so getting 7 to 15% on a 1K-5K$ product is more rewarding.

hope this help
Mary

High ticket programs usually have their own affiliate program.

Their launches are much better controlled and micro-managed than just slapping up a clickbank sales letter.

Ralf

Hi everyone,

i'm not trying to get off the subject of clickbank.

but speaking of affiliate programs that pay $100 per sale.
how about programs that pay $100 per lead!

yes, i've found one at shareasale.com it's in the forex market.

and i'm about to promote the heck out of it, once i get my website and marketing system set up.

to apply at shareasale they require you to have your own site and site email address. they will verify this.


just passing this info, along. plenty of room for everyone to make money.

much success

sdcast

Some people are very good at promoting their affiliate program

but a conversion of 1 for 200 doesn't motivate me that much

in fact i am buring to posts some links, if it was not this damn copyrights issue

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I never say that lower gravity convert better

I just say that Myth#1 is misguiding the newbies and even some advanced marketers

when i read an ebook and the guy say take the higher gravity product and start to promote, i say probably he does not know much or worse he never had done it before

promote an ebook product that convert at 1sales for each 20 visitors i send them. it has more to do with the sales process and how they are very good at capturiing the email address. the gravity is just part of the equation

you have to use brain power when selecting the product you promote

fact of the matter is that some products will not convert well becuase their sales page sucks

--------------Here is what i know fo a fact:

--You can trick the gravity number, so it is not as accurate; especially when it come to "make money online". The worst converting was a "Maverick BS maker" that put a lot of energy to inflate the gravity, i can tell you even how they have done it.

---having a high gravity can be done without any other trick than having a good promotion of yor affiliate program. This does not mean nothing regarding your conversion process.

The conversion of the sales process and the Gravity and Popularity are just two differetn things

that's my take on clickbank

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why I love CJ, because you have a much more reliabel way to know what to expect from a promotion before even starting the promotion. Their numbers are much more accurates.

You say:
" Most affiliates will not continue to promote a product that does not convert well."
Yes you will lose PPC affiliates, But you can still maintian a high gravity by tricking the system, and people who don't know beter will still promote your products. And if you are good at promoting your affiliate program you can rstill recruit more PPC affilaites.

the only one that is guaranteed to not lose his shirt is the owner of his product, that's what i say. yes people make money with affiliate, but this post is a warning about the danger of not knowing the trciks of the trades.

check the super affiliate "Ewen Chia", how much products he put on the market per year.

I have been succesfully promoting a niche product outside of clickbank, and will launch my onw product in this niche next month to increase my profits.

I walk the walk, so my Big Warning is keep aware that some people make money selling "how to make yadi yada with clickbank" ...
..when they never made a penny of what they preach

my 22cents
Mary

How many emails did you captured from these 300?
did you know the size of your market in term of search volume?

300 is just a too low number to start with.
you can try to buy some traffic to see if this is related to your salespage, find some adwords/Yahoo/Facebook coupons for free PPC; it's usually enough to start testing your conversion.

you have to learn how to cature emails and probably to redo the sales page. Try to emulate others succesful products or hire a good copywriter. A professional salespage can make a huge difference. Check your stats, how much time people spend on your site, if they spend less than 10sec you have not done a good job.

you can pm me, i can review your salespage and give you some tips to increase the conversion.

Mary

Yes, and now you can expand on your ebook customers to offer moe products to these customers. The backend is where the big donuts piles up

Mary

there is a way around, but you need some geek skills

you can create a video to promote the crappy sales page, by integrating the direct payment link inside your own page. it's a little technical, but it's a technique some top affiliate use when they spot a good product with porr copy. You even have an edge as not so much people will promote a non converting sales page, so more sales for you

Mary

Nope, you have to promote a product that convert well.

My point is that high gravity does not equal high conversions. That's what people confuse, and low gravity or any number does not equal good conversion

when chosing a product you must not rely only on gravity as most "clickbank affiliates BS blueprint" mention, you have to use your common sense.

a conversion of 1sales for 200 targeted visitors is a really bad thing when you promote products that have maximum payout in the range of 50$

again for me the best converting products are not on the clickbank marketplace for my niches. and i prefer to rely on CJ.com stats and tools that are much more reliable for a promotion.

if you are promoting clickbank products with seo blog.

matter of fact is that the top products i tracked in the "Health and fitness" category in clickbank have horrible conversion

i also spend some energy promoting some "make money online" products that have gravity higher than 100 and the conversions were just too low. the worst being the "Maverick BS makers"

so, you have to check the market a little more to find out if the product really worth it.

don't rely on gravity only for your product selection.

I am writing an extensive report in my spare time, and will provide it for free next week.

Mary

Gravity is an indicator that sales are being made, but especially in make money niche, it does not necessarily mean that tons of affiliates are making sales.

When there is a huge launch and everyone starts promoting to their list, high gravity can indicate that many affiliates are simply buying through their own links. Gravity would probably be a better indicator if the number only included affiliates who made minimum of 2 sales. Probably a good indication of a decent sales page....without that, even affiliates would not buy...but does not mean that there are a ton of independent sales at asking price.

Even in unrelated niches, with so many Clickbank product owners adding HUGE OBVIOUS "affilates" or "earn money" links to their sales pages, even people who just discovered Clickbank 30 seconds ago end up buying from themselves.

Robyn

Note that you must agree this with the vendor first

Harvey



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This is incorrect for two reasons

1) It's not affiliates 'promoting' but affiliates 'making sales'

2) The gravity figure does not represent a minimum. It is just a relative figure.

Harvey


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Jr,

I agree, relationships are the key to success in sales, online or offline. I'm pretty new to IM but that is one thing I have picked up, build your list, build the trust and offer only products that YOU have tried and tested. Too many times I get offered crap from the list that I have joined, canned emails with garbage product offerings, not how I want to run my business.

Thanks

What i think , is you can make a lot of money creating a similar product

but you need deep pocket to monetize it with PPC.

I am not talking about theory, i have gone through a high end PPC seminar and i know how the PPC guys think and how they kill their competition, but you need cash to compete with the big PPC guys

some peope say, that great i have an seo blog and my traffic is free. Yes, but what if you promote a product that convert 3 to 5 times better, you do that for the cash , so sometimes is better to not follow the crowd

there are others affiliates directories outside fo clickbank, so you may take some time to find a better converting offer

Mary

Adeel,
I definitely have to agree here - All those slick sales pages hyping that "You'll make thousands a day without website or list" drive me crazy!

I believe that the days of quick affiliate sales is pretty much in the past. These days, it's all about relationships (Hence the rise of social media) and building trust and mutual respect - in short, creating groups of 'clients' instead of simply buyers!

Regards,
--JR

@ Amfire, each of these service provide differetn informations. And if u cross reference the differents sources. You have a serious edge in your niche.

I know what kind of edge i can have,

If you have a membership in SPyfu+Keywordspy+Quancast+compete you can really have a really good picture of what the top affiliate are doing and how they perform. you don't need these 4 services, just 2 will be enough.

All above keyword tool are good starting point, i have had paid membership with 2 of them, and I cancelled them long back, so I know little bit it. ( BTW these tools can easily be misled by anyone with small script)

You can find the buying keywords of PPC affilaites and that's priceless. that's how I find some little gems. these resources are fantastic when you have some experience in keywords research.

I can copy buying keywords from super affiliates, Will they convert for me? That is more important question to be answered i never denied you get fair enough understanding of nice, But can i compete with a Super affiliate? That is more critical to answer.

So, again if your OP is based on observation of keyword tools only, then that is your opinion not tested result.

Something else that I see a lot of, is people recommending that you make at least $20 or more per sale. I don't agree, any salesman could sell something for $40.00 before they can sell something for $100.00. I learned this selling cell phones for commission for an affiliate company of Verizon. People focus so much time and energy into high commission products and pay little to no attention to the actual price of the product to consumers.

For example, selling cell phones, there are those cheap phones you might get for a penny if you sign up to a monthly plan, the actual commission on those were like $25.00. Not much, right? But if you sold a high end PDA, you could earn $200 in commission, but they cost $800 to the consumer. Of course, every other employee was trying to sell these PDA's... and the people just didn't have the money for that. So, I could stand out and talk to people and tell why my cheapo phone is awesome, and I'd make at least 10 sales a day way easier, while my coworkers were busting their balls for this $200 commission they would be lucky if they even sold one a day, which was rare. Even if they did sell one, they would have to pray they didn't bring it back for a refund or get undercut by another person selling the same phone.

So for Clickbank, people are aiming for these high gravity high commission products and then having to deal with a lot of competition, and in the end, they could just be selling a similar product lower gravity, lower commission, with a lower overall price to the consumers which increases your chances of selling to more people, and you could end up making more money.

I'm currently doing this with a World of Warcraft eBook, instead of opting for the top eBook on Clickbank, I went with one of the lesser known ones with a decent sales page and I'm not doing too bad.

Mary,

I once read about a prominent online marketer who stated "You can take away my websites, my bank accounts, my cars, and even my house, and as long as I have my list, I'll be back on top within 14 days!"

Money-making schemes come and go, but until somebody replaces email, having your own list is the golden road to wealth.

Gosh! That sounds like a pretty good sig!

--JR

I agree entirely, I promote both high and low gravity products on clickbank, it,s all the same to me, I soon discover which products are selling and which aren,t. I like clickbank and as far as saturation of some of there high gravity products, you just have to find your own space in that market.

Frank,
On the mark here. Private affiliate programs - unless they're from a large, reputable marketer - can be shaky at best.

This is where Clickbank and the other major affiliate distributors made their 'splash' in this business - absolute dependability with regards to affiliate payouts. If you can't trust that your commissions will be paid accurately and on time, you might have a tendency to stay away from the program!

Clickbank has their problems - granted - but their dependability as to commissions has always been top-notch.

Regards,
--JR Rich