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16 years ago

You have to be really careful of how you word this because it can be misconstrued as manipulating and controlling marketshare through organization which is a federal crime.

However I understand what your trying to convey here.

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Steven Fullman

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Frank Bruno

You have to be really careful of how you word this because it can be misconstrued as manipulating and controlling marketshare which is a federal crime.

However I understand what your trying to convey here.

Frank Bruno

Blimey, Frank...that sounds serious!

I have no marketshare, and as for asking newbies to join me in becoming a collective IM-Force...please explain the criminality...I'm curious!

Steve

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Angela V. Edwards

16 years ago

A federal crime in the US...but Steve is in the UK. :p

Originally Posted by Frank Bruno

You have to be really careful of how you word this because it can be misconstrued as manipulating and controlling marketshare through organization which is a federal crime.

However I understand what your trying to convey here.

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John Ritz 16 years ago

Why don't you get together with some like-minded individuals who are at the same stage as you and form a mastermind group. You can learn from one-another, bounce ideas off each other, and yes, plan promotions together.

I've seen mastermind groups both flourish and crash and burn. The key is the people you invite into the group and that you're very clear from the start what your goals are as a group.

To your success,

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  Sent you a PM Steven. Love this idea, and it'd be cool to hear your thoughts in response to my message.
  
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zoulkifl

16 years ago

I think it'll be hard to do. I've thought about it myself. The trick here is that every single member of the new network you're talking about will want to promote his product.
So if you have a group of 20 people 8 will be promoting their stuff while the rest is confused and tries to do many things at once.
I think you should be careful how you setup this group.
Like I said earlier I too thought about it but I decided to concentrate on another aspect for now.

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kcgeorge

16 years ago

Don't see any form of crime in this.However,let know your proposal or how you intend to go about this.Maybe I'll say i am interested at this stage until i read and understand where you heading to...Feel free to PM me.

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zoulkifl

16 years ago

It is indeed a good idea as long as everyone is working towards the same goal.

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16 years ago

I like the idea. Let's do it.

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Neil Morgan 16 years ago

Great idea Steve.

I used to want to do something like that myself.

I look forward to reading about your High Court case!

But seriously now, good luck with your plans.

Cheers,

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Susan Hope

16 years ago

Hi Steve,

I like the idea, might be worth knocking around a little, oh and I am in the UK too, so that is handy - I realise it does not matter particularly where we are though.

Do you want us to pm you or will you gather some names, etc, etc

Sue

PS if you want help with that kind of thing then shout.

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Hackbridge

16 years ago

I'd be interested - I've got nothing to lose

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X

16 years ago

I should have created this product
a long time ago.

First, you don't want a group larger
than 6. That's true of mastermind's
too (IMO) - not sure why everyone
wants 20 people in a group because
too many valuable contributions go
unheard in the group that big and
unwieldy.

Six is a good number because everyone
promotes everyone else twice per year.

I've done this in 2 businesses and
worked for a nearly identical business
to one of those that REFUSED to
promote anyone else. DUMB.

The first business with partners grew
exponentially with an inferior product
over the business that refused to
partner.

So your concept is sound - and I can't
refute Frank because I don't know what
he means, unless he's talking about
collusion which I'm not sure would apply -

Another similar example here is the way
Agora Publishing seems to be organized
to this outsider - it's really like a number
of businesses or "cells" that are each
operating as independents but promoting
each other in the same way.

Go for it. Your biggest problem will be
selecting a high-quality core to work
with if you're limiting to newbies.

X

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Amy Bass 16 years ago

You could always join us over on The Niche Blogger. We have a great forum going with a lot of people going from part-time to full-time in their online businesses.
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16 years ago

Originally Posted by X

I should have created this product
a long time ago.

Go for it. Your biggest problem will be
selecting a high-quality core to work
with if you're limiting to newbies.

X

Guys if X says it, believe it. Six IS a good number, finding the right people will be difficult unless you could also conference on skpe or something, to work out a game plan. The big thing I see is perseverance. The longest journey begins with the first step, that's true, that doesn't mean there won't be difficulties along the way.

Budget your time, pool your resources, and go for it.

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16 years ago

"I've seen mastermind groups both flourish and crash and burn. The key is the people you invite into the group and that you're very clear from the start what your goals are as a group."

Surely the key to a mastermind group is to invite some "masterminds!"

I wish my fellow Brits every success in destroying the Kern, Pagan, Dale, Silver, Jenkins, Fallon, Carlson, Filsaime, Walker etc mastermind monopoly on IM.

Someone somewhere needs to stop them before we all enter one huge space time continuum OTO loop that would even confuse Mr. Data.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by tomw

"I've seen mastermind groups both flourish and crash and burn. The key is the people you invite into the group and that you're very clear from the start what your goals are as a group."

Surely the key to a mastermind group is to invite some "masterminds!"

I wish my fellow Brits every success in destroying the Kern, Pagan, Dale, Silver, Jenkins, Fallon, Carlson, Filsaime, Walker etc mastermind monopoly on IM.

Someone somewhere needs to stop them before we all enter one huge space time continuum OTO loop that would even confuse Mr. Data.

Thomas

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JayXtreme 16 years ago

Steve..

I'm full time dude...

But consider this:

"Our ships must all sail in ze same direction"...

Think about how many people are in that room in the Godfather (part 3)... don't let this group exceed that many in numbers...you WILL be a powerful force, but not if your goal becomes diluted by the numbers... keep it small and laser focused and I love the idea of what you are doing.

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rachel Goodchild

oooohhhhh can I be your mini me dr evil?

What?!? Just a small joke and sincere support...haven't you got a fashion show or something to go to?

Sensible advice as ever, Mike.

As you say, generally, when people decide to come together for mutually beneficial business relationships they each bring something valuable to the table. But I am interested to see how this "hive mind" experiment turns out...aren't you? This business is on the cusp of dramatic change as I'm sure you know. It will be interesting to see what these guys come up with to cope with this and even if it is addressed at all, as well as how well they compete with the those who are at the top of the game.

Lord knows this business needs some new blood and some new ideas.

But I guess, realistically I'm with you...we've all been down this path

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by tomw

What?!? Just a small joke and sincere support...haven't you got a fashion show or something to go to?

Sensible advice as ever, Mike.

As you say, generally, when people decide to come together for mutually beneficial business relationships they each bring something valuable to the table. But I am interested to see how this "hive mind" experiment turns out...aren't you? This business is on the cusp of dramatic change as I'm sure you know. It will be interesting to see what these guys come up with to cope with this and even if it is addressed at all, as well as how well they compete with the those who are at the top of the game.

Lord knows this business needs some new blood and some new ideas.

But I guess, realistically I'm with you...we've all been down this path

Thomas

Thomas,

The "hive mind" type groups have been tried - right here on this forum. So far, the success has been minimal.

In my own opinion, and my experience, I believe it's very difficult to have a good, thriving group partnership with a group of people you have not met in person. That's not to say I can't happen - but the odds are not in favor of it.

But heck - I also say there's no harm in trying provided you can get people on the same page. There's nothing like having someone to bounce ideas off, or having the resources available to get things done you may not be particularly good at and offer your own services for the the things you ARE good at.

If it doesn't work out in THIS environment, my suggestion for anyone would be to try meeting people in person to partner up with, mastermind with, etc. Meet for lunch from time to time, that kind of thing. That I KNOW works.

Mike

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by MikeAmbrosio

Thomas,

The "hive mind" type groups have been tried - right here on this forum. So far, the success has been minimal.

In my own opinion, and my experience, I believe it's very difficult to have a good, thriving group partnership with a group of people you have not met in person. That's not to say I can't happen - but the odds are not in favor of it.

But heck - I also say there's no harm in trying provided you can get people on the same page. There's nothing like having someone to bounce ideas off, or having the resources available to get things done you may not be particularly good at and offer your own services for the the things you ARE good at.

If it doesn't work out in THIS environment, my suggestion for enyone would be to try meeting people in person to partner up with, mastermind with, etc. Meet for lunch from time to time, that kind of thing. That I KNOW works.

Mike

As I said,

"But I guess, realistically I'm with you...we've all been down this path."

Thomas

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Rachel Goodchild 16 years ago

After all joking is aside...
This is my issue with the idea
I think good business partnerships such as the ones you are offering happen organically. It takes more than a thread to create it
It's like an internet romance.You would not likely date someone who repsonded on a thread for a date, but if you had buily up a level of intimacy through messages and interactions you may do so.

Focus on the types of people you want to work with- really pare it down to the types of skills, personality and drive- then go out and get it
Likeminds attract likeminds
Look for a small group of people who fit

I know I'm girling up the thread by comparing this to romance, but the more I dobusiness, the longer I see there are some great correlations between that initial date feeling, and a good business deal. It just has to sit right.
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Steven Fullman

16 years ago

Well...I'm judging the personal messages I've received as a success. Thanks.

I recknon there's strength in numbers, so let's go for it, no matter what anyone else says.

Thanks all,
Steve

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Kym Robinson

16 years ago

This sounds good to me Steve!
I would like to be involved.

Planning will be crucial as to setting goals and outcomes - but Im up for anything - and Im pretty sure there is no crime to this in Oz!

Do I need to PM you?
How are you going about gathering the group?
PM me with any details please.
Kym

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EndGame

16 years ago

Hey Steve,

Have you got a game plan in mind for this? If so I'd love to hear it. If not, I'd love to help out with it, I've got a few ideas.

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16 years ago

Okay, I realize that I don't qualify for this little group, BUT...I am going
to offer my services as a consultant.

You'll need to choose a spokesperson amongst the group (I would assume
that would be Steve). If there is anything you want to run by me for my
opinion, I will look it over and submit a critique with any suggestions I have
for improving it. If I think it's solid, I'll say that too.

I'm not looking for anything out of this other than to see this bunch succeed.

My only requirement is that I deal with ONE person and all notes be presented
to me together and in detail. If that's cool with you, I'm offering my 5 years
of busting my tail in this business to the mix.

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Chris Endres 16 years ago

I do not know if this applies,.. seems that it might though.

I recently was exposed to a system that I thought had merit but that had some design weaknesses called "the Hive". I liked the idea for the same reasons steve started this post, which is the idea of all working as one for a goal.

The way the Hive works currently is self destructive. They mean well, but they have "cells" of people, all working on the same goal of promoting a page no one would ever buy anything from. They get excited about making a series of $20 sales in a week. 12 people in a cell should not get excited over this.

I thought about what they had, what they were doing, and came up with some ideas to seriously improve the results. and because people are resistant to change, even if they are doing doesn't work, it fell on deaf ears.

Here is what made sense to me. we could start a set of cells. each cell cell might have 6-12 people in it, whatever makes the most sense.

Before I get into what product, let me expose a promotion concept. It seemed to me it would be a good idea to have each member have a "promotional responsibility" which would actually be a set of responsibilities, each member having their duty.

What if promotion duties were assigned on a weekly basis, and then switched at the end of the week? week 1 you might be in charge of article marketing for the group,.. then week 2 you might be in charge of forum posting, week 3 email marketing and eventually back to week 1 article marketing again.

Why? Think of all the skill building as group duties were rotated around the group. It would be like marketer school almost. especially if we used instant chat to maintain a 24/7 public chat where we could always go with questions and support. like skype.

Think about this part though, what if each cell or group promoted together just one high ticket item? $2,000 or more per sale? If 6-12 people all actively supported each other by actually performing their duties, and if they all promoted together a well researched and in demand high ticket product, couldn't you reasonably expect 2-3-4 sales a month? A week?

When you put the power of that many people promoting the exact same link, and you make sales, then you run into the issue of needing a treasurer, someone who will make everything transparent and split the loot.

Before I end, I had one thought. if you had,.. say 3 groups of say 10 people,.. and you all wanted to get in front of a product launch together, everyone working and promoting the same link, across all venues of media,.. how could anyone possibly compete with that?
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16 years ago

Wow, Steve...now THAT is super-cool, and a very generous offer.

Thank you, I gratefully accept. Your honest opinions are always welcome.

As for the spokesperson role, I'd say that's to be determined, but I'm happy to run with it to begin with.

Next up, thanks to everyone who has posted and PM'ed me. It's so encouraging to hear so many of my peers are up for this!

Now - first things first. We need a place to congregate. So may I suggest either a private group here at WF or I set us up with our own forum.

I'm happy either way.

Second, I've taken X's point. We don't want this to be unmanageable. It might be good, once we're acquainted, to split into smaller groups to help us keep focus.

Nothing to lose, and with Steve's guidance, plenty to gain!

Thanks again,
Steve

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Okay, I realize that I don't qualify for this little group, BUT...I am going
to offer my services as a consultant.

You'll need to choose a spokesperson amongst the group (I would assume
that would be Steve). If there is anything you want to run by me for my
opinion, I will look it over and submit a critique with any suggestions I have
for improving it. If I think it's solid, I'll say that too.

I'm not looking for anything out of this other than to see this bunch succeed.

My only requirement is that I deal with ONE person and all notes be presented
to me together and in detail. If that's cool with you, I'm offering my 5 years
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Keith Boisvert 16 years ago

Steve,

I would suggest using a forum. I think that would probably be the best way intially to start and it will certainly help you with your managing of people.

I think what you are doing is great, provided you have the right goals shared amongst the number of people you decide to let in.

I would also craft some form of ultimate mission with some specifics, to help keep everyone focused on a goal.

Its a large undertaking, but the results will surely be well worth it.

Kudos for taking this on, and if you need anything let me know.

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16 years ago

Hello,

Nice One.

We could form a group and market each others products, how do we do that.

1. At least every six months we should build a list of products from all groupies and focus on selling this, if a groupie has no product he could definitely sell.

2. We will be affiliates of each others products.

3. As a groupie goodwill plan. We will not develop a product of the same feature as an already existing groupie. Unless ofcourse if by a vote of the groupie it is determined that your product is much better and the other product hasn't been in the market yet for atleast six months. Atleast it will make up for the development cost.

4. At least once every month a groupie will be assigned be assigned to check the websites for the groupies to determine if in fact the groupie approved products are promoted.

We could call ourselved WF GROUPIES if you want to.

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Graham Maddison 16 years ago

Hi Steve,

I am both curious and definitely interested. If and when you get the ball rolling so to speak, I'd love to be an active party.

Good luck.

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salele

16 years ago

Hi Steve,
I'm really interested. That is if you are serious. the only way to break the strangle hold of these guys is to form a group like you suggested. PM me anytime.

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Louis Raven

16 years ago

I'm in!

Full time internet marketer - I can do most things needed to succeed, Copy/ Graphics/ communicate/ create/ SEO/ etc etc.

I'm elite in the art of perfect traffic generation through free methods and consider Adwords as being greedy

I'm not brilliant at 1 thing but cool with most.

I think with the right team, we can be the names people talk about in a few years.

Do I fit the criteria?

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hebsgaard

16 years ago

Fabulous idea!

I'd very much like to be in on this one as well. I live in Denmark, which isn't too far away for you brits

As far as communication goes I believe a forum would be the best option. The way I see it a project like this is not just about promoting each others products (although that's not a bad idea either). Sharing experiences can offer valuable lessons for the one sharing as well as the ones it is shared with.

It's a great idea, which as I said I'd love to get in on.

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Bev Clement

16 years ago

Steve one thing to consider is having a British group only that can meet at times to brainstorm, or to use BT to talk to each other. At least then you will all talk the same language and be on the same time zone.

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16 years ago

Or maybe a slightly bigger region

How about a European, an Asian (maybe divided into smaller groups) and an American group?

Those groups could share a common forum, but it would be easier to meet up (occasionally) in closer geographical units.

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Steve one thing to consider is having a British group only that can meet at times to brainstorm, or to use BT to talk to each other. At least then you will all talk the same language and be on the same time zone.

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MikeAmbrosio

16 years ago

Steve,

This is by NO means meant to rain on any parades or anything so please don't take it this way. But I wanted to point something out.

I realize you may already know this, but others may not...

(Discalimer: I realize this will not apply to everyone)

If all Mike did to get to his level of success was to have a network of friends then it would work for ANYone. But you need other things that guys like Mike have. For starters:

- Comprehension of your chosen market. You need to be able to stay ahead of the curve.
- Ideas. For products, services, etc. A CONSTANT flow of them.
- Solutions. For peoples problems (sort of falls under the Ideas category too).
- Focus. If you can't focus on your ideas, nothing will come of them.
- Cash flow. In case you don't have the focus, you can hire people who do.
- Programmers. Especially if your ideas revolve around software or service type sites.
- Drive and determination. If you still have a full time job and think 1 to 3 hours a day on your business will be enough, now's a good time to stop trying.
- Balls (not in a literal sense, ladies...). What good is having ideas and drive if you lack the cajones to get your product complete and out there?

And yes, friends.

There's more, I'm sure. I am just generalizing. The reason why so many people don't have the collection of friends like Mike is because they most likely don't have 75% of what's on that list.

The friends come later - AFTER you start getting your name out there with YOUR products or services.

The other reason Mike has the type of network he does is because they all know they can count on each other for help, advice, resources, etc. When you have a group of people where some contribute way more than others, that group will fall apart. Quickly. I know that from experience with a few attempts with groups

That's not to say you should not form groups...I just wanted to throw my thoughts out there.

Well, these are just my opinions. Again - not trying to discourage anyone.

Mike

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MaskedMarketer 16 years ago

Hey Mike,

I guess assuming that one has a good business model to use- then using the power of networking can truly bring your business to new heights. I think that's the point of this, but you make a good point as well. If you don't have a workable business model then it doesn't matter how many friends are in your network. I think this is still a great idea. Even if the model isnt there yet atleast you have the network and just work on the business models.

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Steven Fullman

16 years ago

Point taken, Mike, and thanks for the food for thought! As someone clearly higher up the IM food-chain than me, I take your comments very seriously indeed. Thanks for sharing.

Apart from the title of the thread, lol, I'm in no way suggesting that we'll all be zillionaires next week if we all just hang out in some forum somewhere.

But the old adage - being greater as a group than the sum of each individual member - has some potential merit.

I'm not twisting anyone's arm, and the replies and PM's I've had so far suggest that I'm not alone with this opinion!

A forum's on its way, folks! I'll PM you the address when I'm done.

Once again, thanks for all your support.

Kind regards,
Steve

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Steve,

This is by NO means meant to rain on any parades or anything so please don't take it this way. But I wanted to point something out.

I realize you may already know this, but others may not...

(Discalimer: I realize this will not apply to everyone)

If all Mike did to get to his level of success was to have a network of friends then it would work for ANYone. But you need other things that guys like Mike have. For starters:

- Comprehension of your chosen market. You need to be able to stay ahead of the curve.
- Ideas. For products, services, etc. A CONSTANT flow of them.
- Solutions. For peoples problems (sort of falls under the Ideas category too).
- Focus. If you can't focus on your ideas, nothing will come of them.
- Cash flow. In case you don't have the focus, you can hire people who do.
- Programmers. Especially if your ideas revolve around software or service type sites.
- Drive and determination. If you still have a full time job and think 1 to 3 hours a day on your business will be enough, now's a good time to stop trying.
- Balls (not in a literal sense, ladies...). What good is having ideas and drive if you lack the cajones to get your product complete and out there?

And yes, friends.

There's more, I'm sure. I am just generalizing. The reason why so many people don't have the collection of friends like Mike is because they most likely don't have 75% of what's on that list.

The friends come later - AFTER you start getting your name out there with YOUR products or services.

The other reason Mike has the type of network he does is because they all know they can count on each other for help, advice, resources, etc. When you have a group of people where some contribute way more than others, that group will fall apart. Quickly. I know that from experience with a few attempts with groups

That's not to say you should not form groups...I just wanted to throw my thoughts out there.

Well, these are just my opinions. Again - not trying to discourage anyone.

Mike

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MikeAmbrosio 16 years ago

Hey Steve,

I am 100% in favor of the idea that you stand a MUCH greater chance for success as a group, or with friends than you do on your own.

I usually put together 1 or 2 Warrior lunches in the NY area every year. I have met so many people and even got a business partner from these lunches. As a direct result of these lunches and my business partner I have made tens of thousands of dollars, got more done in less time, made even more friends and JV partners, and so on.

So, you are definitely on the right track. I only wanted to get my thoughts out there for the benefit of those reading who may think it was that simple.

I wish it was! LOL.

Mike
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Sarah Harvey

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Steven Fullman

Hi,

This is cards on the table time, and the gurus aren't welcome...yet.

Statistically speaking, you're just like me...NOT a full-time internet marketer...

If you are -- please leave --and thanks for reading.

...we'll see you later.

No. The chances are you're in full- or part-time employment, with the intention to break-out 'sometime'. Indeed, we see the 'good ole boy's network' and want to break in.

Great, but how?

Simple answer...we create our own network. We help each other, leverage each other, and become the next generation of 'gurus'.

Back story: Mike Filsaime used to be a car salesman. He was sailing in our boat not too long ago. Now look...

But Mike had the foresight to realise one thing...he needed a crew to pimp his stuff. Mike's genius is that he realised it doesn't matter how successful your crowd is...it only matters that you have a crowd.

So, he started hanging with newbies like us, and formed a formidable crew...a crew which, together, formed the new boy's network.

...and subsequently took over the IM world.

Here's my proposal..we can become the new Mike Filsaime. But only if we form a team...

We can have million dollar launches, but we must play as a team.

A team which helps, advises, and watches each others' back.

A collective.

This is just an idea, but I welcome any feedback. If there's enough interest, we can decide together how to move forward...

We can decide on a platform, a strategy, and the best format to communicate.

No-one is excluded, apart from the 'big names'.

This is not a pitch, only an invitation to something which doesn't exist yet.

Steve

It doesn't exist? Since when? Not so long ago I posted something similar to this on another forum, except I was more in depth on what to do. Do not assume this hasn't been done before as it has.

I saw a strategy like this ages ago for another launch and basically its the same principle they used. Now it may not have been Mike Filesame, but they were damn successful. They went one step further and had people buy domain names and hosting from them, which in turn became so profitable since it promoted the whole network etc. Everyone that joined the network did really well for themselves.

When I did my post a few days ago... *checks*

09-17-2008, 01:15 PM

I basically had the same principle for social sites. It's about people helping people. So good luck in your venture.

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Steven Fullman

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Sarah Harvey

It doesn't exist? Since when? Not so long ago I posted something similar to this on another forum, except I was more in depth on what to do. Do not assume this hasn't been done before as it has.

I saw a strategy like this ages ago for another launch and basically its the same principle they used. Now it may not have been Mike Filesame, but they were damn successful. They went one step further and had people buy domain names and hosting from them, which in turn became so profitable since it promoted the whole network etc. Everyone that joined the network did really well for themselves.

When I did my post a few days ago... *checks*

09-17-2008, 01:15 PM

I basically had the same principle for social sites. It's about people helping people. So good luck in your venture.

Sorry Sarah, I didn't make myself clear enough!

When I said it doesn't exist, I meant that I wasn't trying to sell people on a product of mine that already existed...e.g. some newbie forum.

...not that the idea hasn't been seen before!

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Joe Giannetti 16 years ago

Alright I clicked now keep your end of the bargain....
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Louis Raven

16 years ago

I'd keep it to a max of 8 people each with their own unique approach, bundle ideas together and make a super idea etc.

Leverage ones cat niche list for a pet clothes list.

Join forces and hold each other up and tell them were they went wrong and praise for where they have succeeded.

By working together we can instantly gain guru status. I'm not into it for the status or even the money, I want solid friends to push me forward for years to come.

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IMChick

16 years ago

Ok, I clicked...but I'm still a girl!

Please add this Newbie to the list of interested gurus in training.

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Neil Morgan

16 years ago

Like Steve, I'm happy to offer myself up for advice when you need it too.

And I can also bring a UK perspective to it, if it's needed, depending on the geographic make-up of the group.

Cheers,

Neil

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Steven Fullman

16 years ago

Neil, that's awesome...Thank You!

Mike et al, I'll answer in a different post, but this one's dedicated to you, Neil!

Great product, BTW.

I'll be in touch,
Steve

Originally Posted by Neil Morgan

Like Steve, I'm happy to offer myself up for advice when you need it too.

And I can also bring a UK perspective to it, if it's needed, depending on the geographic make-up of the group.

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topeyinka 16 years ago

hi,
is this only for people in the UK?
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Alex Sol

16 years ago

It's a great idea.

Without noticing (or realizing) we're all building our networks... When you find an IM'er on Warriors who is from your own town, you meet him (her) in person - chances are that person will help you promoting your product. Well, it's not limited to LIVE, it could be done online as well...

Anyways, the point is - it is a great idea and it works.

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jam52633

16 years ago

Sounds like a smart plan.

One of the quickest way to achieve success is to copy/emulate someone that is already successful.

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Mark Brian

16 years ago

I'm interested, I'm a web developer but recently jumped in the IM band wagon this year. PM me if your group isn't full or might need a web developer

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16 years ago

Yes, a master mind group is really a powerful thing. Pm me is you have something in mind.

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Adeel_Chowdhry

16 years ago

The people inside the network or 'INNER CIRCLE' should be at roughly the same level -> so that the group/individual businesses of each member moves forward at the same pace which is proportional to the knowledge and ability of each member.

> You can't have one guru and 5 other newbies in the the group for instance, it just won't work since the guru will feel like he's doing all the work and getting very little results back from this leverage.

You guys may want to check out the JV Notify Pro forum (jvnotifypro.com) for teaming up with other marketers and promoting each other's products/services.

All in all, I do agree that a network of leverage will take your business, brand, profits and more to a higher level of success no doubt.

- Who wants to be in my team?

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sinela

16 years ago

It is very interesting! I'm attracted to this great idea. I think there is need for someone to moderate opinions here. A good start should be evaluating the existing resources to potential members.

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Sirius Lin

16 years ago

I am quite keen on this idea as well, and like Adeel, I agree that we should have groups of marketers who are more or less on the same level. BUT, these groups, regardless of their experience, should all have access to a mentor/expert who can step in to shine the light every now and then. Otherwise we'll end up with a situation of the rich getting richer and the poor getting... nowhere

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by Sirius Lin

I am quite keen on this idea as well, and like Adeel, I agree that we should have groups of marketers who are more or less on the same level. BUT, these groups, regardless of their experience, should all have access to a mentor/expert who can step in to shine the light every now and then. Otherwise we'll end up with a situation of the rich getting richer and the poor getting... nowhere

~ Sirius

I think this has real potential - especially if you can focus it, like Sirius mentioned above, into specific groups. I'd be more than willing to help in any small way that I can.

Awesome idea, Steve

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twistedpixel

16 years ago

Someone should create a solution that matches potential JVs and partners by needs, skills, investment, experience, etc.

Like match.com but for entrepreneurs (similar to early post with dating metaphor)

There are some sites that do this, LinkedIn for one - but maybe something more focused to say IM or product developers

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Rachel Goodchild

16 years ago

Originally Posted by twistedpixel

Someone should create a solution that matches potential JVs and partners by needs, skills, investment, experience, etc.

Like match.com but for entrepreneurs (similar to early post with dating metaphor)

There are some sites that do this, LinkedIn for one - but maybe something more focused to say IM or product developers

sorta like the JV forum on here?

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twistedpixel

16 years ago

Originally Posted by Rachel Goodchild

sorta like the JV forum on here?

See..problem solved!

How else can you get this organized without some kind of structure? This thread could go on forever, but it won't get any closer to the goal unless someone steps up and says "go here!"

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Susan Hope

16 years ago

Originally Posted by twistedpixel

See..problem solved!

How else can you get this organized without some kind of structure? This thread could go on forever, but it won't get any closer to the goal unless someone steps up and says "go here!"

Well I think Steve is in the process of setting up a place for us to "go to" as we speak, further back in the thread he says he will pm or post here when it is done.

Steve, You already have my pm and I am still very much interested. I do agree that if the groups get too large it may not work and it would be best to form smaller groups, perhaps using location as in a UK group, a mainland Europe group, etc but also, if we do that then the very kind offer from Steve as a consultant will be difficult as he states he only wants to deal with one spokes person, which is totally understandable, so that side of things needs to be thought about as well.

This is very exciting though, lets us know if you need any help right now with "stuff"

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Helen Doherty

16 years ago

I'd be very interested in joining as well. The idea is great, but also we get the chance to network and become life long friends, supporters and advocates of each other. That support would be priceless in itself. And yes I'm from the UK too!

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graphicsgenie

16 years ago

I would very much consider joining a group, but I would need to be very picky about others in the group.

I think you would need very certain credentials to bring to the group, and if you don't have any of note, in my view you'd struggle to help the group move forward

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by graphicsgenie

I would very much consider joining a group, but I would need to be very picky about others in the group.

I think you would need very certain credentials to bring to the group, and if you don't have any of note, in my view you'd struggle to help the group move forward

I kind of thought one of the purposes of this group or groups was to help people who are determined to succeed but may not have got that far "yet" and so, some of those people may not have something of "note" to show "yet" but also may have lots to offer the group, I don't think people should be excluded from the get go simply because they have nothing to show for their previous efforts, I get though that we would not want "tyre kickers" but people have to start somewhere do they not?

Take me for instance, I don't feel I have anything "online" of note, so far, other than a couple of blogs and that I have moderated of several forums because I have good "people skills" - I have been told that so many times throughout my career both on and offline that I now have to believe it LOL

However, my main focus of business has now gone "offline" as in internet services for small to middle size offline businesses who need a presence on the internet, I am the beginning stages of that and thus far have only built one website for a carpet company in my area but it is all going very well so far - so I know I can help a lot of new people in website build, portal build, reseller hosting etc.

Other than that, I don't think what I have achieved in the few years I have been online is much of note, however, I know I have determination to succeed, a positive attitude, a willingness always to learn, I love helping others and a host of other things which can't be necessarily noted but I know I have a lot to offer this kind of group, I have been in the trenches as they say, like a lot of other people.

My bad points are that I tend to waffle on too much sometimes LOL

Also, If I somehow misread your post above and took the wrong meaning from it, then I do apologise, perhaps you could clarify your position?

Thanks so much
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16 years ago

Hi Sue,

No you didnt misread it, sometimes you have to be frank.

Yes groups would work for new people to the business, but all I wanted to clarify is that I wouldnt be joining a group like that. I've been at this game too long to have to be dragged back down to a lower level when I need to be kicking on to get full time.

No offence, I had to start at the bottom too, and too many months/years I can remember working an 8am to 6pm job then doing my IM all evening and weekend

Maybe if Steve does set up a forum, maybe there will be 5 or 6 groups set up. I know the team I would need, I can tell you now the credentials that would be needed. They would be exact, but I know if I got working with these people, it WOULD be a success

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16 years ago

Darren,

The forum's on it's way...having finally overcome problems with Hostgator AND BT last night!

To begin with, it won't be pretty, but it'll be a place to meet up, and figure out the skill-sets each of us has.

Once we've established that, we'll do exactly what you've described. Smaller groups where everyone can contribute.

You're a graphics whizz, but maybe you struggle with PHP. Bingo, we're in a position to help each other.

Sue may have a knack for creative writing, someone else can turn an average headline into a corker.

And we can all support each other. Me? I'm a procrastinator. But only because there's no-one there to kick my arse. That's the way I see it heading.

I quite agree, you've been in the game long enough to know what's what, and you'd have little to gain by lowering your sights.

I say - let's discuss this in the new forum, and see where that leaves us. It'd be great to have you on board, Darren, but if it's not for you, there'll be no hard feelings whatsoever.

I've known you long enough to know you're a great guy - who I could learn a lot from...but I totally understand and agree with your sentiments and concerns.

Cheers, and it's good to be back online at last!

Steve

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Hi Sue,

No you didnt misread it, sometimes you have to be frank.

Yes groups would work for new people to the business, but all I wanted to clarify is that I wouldnt be joining a group like that. I've been at this game too long to have to be dragged back down to a lower level when I need to be kicking on to get full time.

No offence, I had to start at the bottom too, and too many months/years I can remember working an 8am to 6pm job then doing my IM all evening and weekend

Maybe if Steve does set up a forum, maybe there will be 5 or 6 groups set up. I know the team I would need, I can tell you now the credentials that would be needed. They would be exact, but I know if I got working with these people, it WOULD be a success

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16 years ago

Originally Posted by graphicsgenie

Hi Sue,

No you didnt misread it, sometimes you have to be frank.

Yes groups would work for new people to the business, but all I wanted to clarify is that I wouldnt be joining a group like that. I've been at this game too long to have to be dragged back down to a lower level when I need to be kicking on to get full time.

No offence, I had to start at the bottom too, and too many months/years I can remember working an 8am to 6pm job then doing my IM all evening and weekend

Maybe if Steve does set up a forum, maybe there will be 5 or 6 groups set up. I know the team I would need, I can tell you now the credentials that would be needed. They would be exact, but I know if I got working with these people, it WOULD be a success

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Well I certainly appreciate you being frank (you need it in business) and I also like that you say what you want and need and are not afraid to do so, that is also needed.

It's possible we could have been talking at 'slightly' cross purposes though because I certainly agree and feel the same, I do not consider myself a total newbie, I may not have had huge successes but I have had mini ones and all the time I have been learning so I can do such things as set-up autoresponders and more.

I see a newbie as someone really who has just made that decision to earn a living working for themselves.

I have a dance background among other things and this is how I would describe levels of expertise shall we say.

Dance classes tend to get divided up into

Beginner
Intermediate
Advanced

And there is always a cross over period between the categories. To me a total newbie to this game is a beginner, the people I believe this thread was aimed at (mostly) are the intermediates, which is where I class myself with a slight crossing over now into the lower levels of advanced (in that I have learnt enough and can do enough to get a business going, some things I am still refining, but aren't we all and I know there will be other things for me to learn). Then we have the advanced and I think we all know who fits there and we all know we can still learn things from them, so, I welcome input they can give us.

I also do not want to be in a group of mainly beginners as that is not going to help me personally get anywhere nor raise my game, however, I am quite happy to help them move on up.

As Steve says, we will all bring a multitude of skills and experience to the table and all this will have to be thrashed out on his new forum which I am looking forward to with a very open mind.

I look forward to getting to know you all much better over time and hopefully working with you all in one way or another.

Cheers
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Neil Morgan 16 years ago

Hi Steve

It's inevitable (and good) that you'll have loads of differing viewpoints. At risk of simply giving another, can I suggest one thing at this point?

Focus on practical rather than theory.

I do this with every pixel on my web site. If it doesn't have a role in the sale process it gets replaced with something that does.

The concept could be applied to your group too, and would help to cut out a lot of time-wasting when you get going. With something like this, 'management by committee' can easily creep in, and nothing valuable actually gets done.

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Rich Muir

16 years ago

Hey I am certainly up for it and think it is a great idea and certainly has merit.
Looking forward to hearing what the next step is.
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Tom B Banned 16 years ago

I thought about trying to get a group like this going. I, like Darren, would only want people that are seeing some success online right now. That way, it insures that your inner circle has more of a chance to work like intended. You see some of these guys making a lot of money because their inner circle has built up good size lists. It wouldn't help if only one person was building a big list while the other members are trying to work out how to set up an autoresponder.
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  I am not sure if I understand this concept right,
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  That's a great idea, even if it's people without lists and
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laghabek

16 years ago

Hi Steve,

I am not in the UK but I'd like to be in this group. Please PM me on how to proceed.

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Susan Hope 16 years ago

Originally Posted by laghabek

Hi Steve,

I am not in the UK but I'd like to be in this group. Please PM me on how to proceed.

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I will pm you with the URL for the forum Steve has set up and see you over there

Cheers
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