Newbies: Sorry to disappoint, but there is one word you've badly misunderstood ...

[-Jericho-]

You can easily make money online. One of my blogs easily made $.04 yesterday and it was so easy. Now if I just had 100,000 more of those I would easily make a lot of money.

The word easily is a misnomer. What people want is not to easily make money online they want to easily make a lot of money online. That is not the easy part. Making money online is easy it's just how much you make that makes it tough.

Everything requires work. I could easily flip burgers all day and make money but I won't make the money I want.

It's all in how much you want to put in the time to learn and succeed.

[JohnHuizinga]

Originally Posted by RM

Ok, I defer to your greater knowledge of this forum...

But doesn't your Sig rather illustrate my point..

Not really. My sig is not what it seems as you would know if you either clicked on the link or just hovered over it. I'm trying to make a completely different point than the one you think with it.

Originally Posted by RM

My serious but admittedly rather convoluted point is:

That most Gurus (online and offline) who are offering Newbies advice are themselves making a lot of money only by selling that advice. Of course they all intimate that good money can be made using their techniques in regular business. But as we all know, it is much harder to do, than to teach how to do. Newbies should realise this when they are dazzled by the potential earning power of the latest (or rehashed) techniques. And by way of illustration, I suggested that they consider what effort it takes to earn a living from business in the "physical" world.

I certainly agree that many people who are selling "make money online" products are what you claim they are. Caveat Emptor and all that. I'm not a really big buyer of such products myself so I couldn't comment much more on that.
I also believe that there are a number of people on this forum who offer quality advice for free and I have little doubt that they go into even more detail on that quality advice in their paid products.
Just because there are scammers in the field doesn't mean everybody here is a scammer. If you spend enough time here you'll get a feel for who is most likely to be trustworthy.

[Gary Hicks]

Originally Posted by Martin.Avis

am I concerned about alienating people by giving them tough advice? The answer is no. If people are upset and alientated by the truth, then that's their problem, not mine. I'd rather concentrate on people who want success and not excuses.Martin

This reminds me of what Simon Cowell often says on the X Factor TV show. His comments may sometimes be rude and tactless, but time after time you can see those contestants who have the right mindset and really want to succeed listen intently to his every word and care deeply about what he says. They know he knows what he's talking about and is just saying it like it is - albeit in a brutal way.

Moral... If you want to progress in any field, be it singing or IM - one of the prerequisites of success is that you must be able and willing to take honest, well meaning advice and criticism. In the short term it may be upsetting and annoying, but in the long term it could turn out to be the most valuable chunk of free advice you'll ever get in your life. If you're not sure if someone's being honest and well meaning, just look at their work. I've read Martin's newsletter for years, and I can tell you he is one of the most ethical marketers you're ever likely to come across.

[JAIDEEP2959]

All the successful internet marketers today were newbies at some point of time.

Many newbies purchase and read the ebooks but not apply the methods completely.

Martin has given great advice and motivation to newbies.

[NinjaTech]

well said. anything you need to succeed in requires an education or learning /training. Nothing in life is given to you.

[steve-wilkins]

I don't believe every newbie should be bundled in with the rest. Yes some think all they have to do is buy the next great product and let the dust gather whilst their bank balances swell but there are others like myself who got themselves into Internet marketing because they were fascinated with the engineering of it.

I for one love a challenge and love learning new sales and marketing techniques as well as learning the technology of using FTP etc etc.

Unfortunately there are a lot of unethical marketers out there who not only promise false riches but also false hope.

I have purchased some rather high ticket Internet marketing products, from what are considered top marketers who offered to allow me to JV with them if I bought their product or who promised in their sales letter, to promote my product on their/blog list after buying their new latest and greatest product.

Unfortunately none of this came to frutition and after many attempts of contacting them I always got the same auto-responders reply of ''thanks for contacting us, we will get back in touch in the next 24 hours''

Well if 24 hrs means 10 months or never then I guess I am in a different time zone to these top marketers completely or is it just again more hype and false promises that lures us newbie’s into buying these products and making them richer and us ever poorer!

I am not one to complain about marketers sales techniques, I use many of them myself but if you are going to offer a bonus or make a promise of help and assistance then you should at least stand by that offer.

I recently launched my latest product where I offer unlimited support to the package and for this I had to set up an entitle support desk to deal with any queries and offer my support but some of these top marketers who offer the same deal think its just fine to have auto-responder message set up and then never come through on their offer of support.

I personally feel sorry for any ''newbie'' just getting into internet marketing, as the sales hype is getting better and the bonuses are out of this world, it would be hard for any new IM to resist the hype and I can’t blame them in many ways for being hypnotised by these IM giants and their play on words. I'm just glad I'm a little further down then line and stuck with it because now I know that the hard work really does pay off.

Just a side note, although this was a bit of a groan and a moan I must mention that I have also had the pleaure of dealing with some very high profile ETHICAL marketers who stand by their offers. Unfortuantley the ethical ones are a little harder to track down.

Just my 2 or shoould I say 200 cents!
Steve

[Online Bliss]

You know what makes me sick? That almost every single newbie thinks he can come online and get "rich" without investing anything.

Isn't that what most unethical marketers want?
A quick sale to an uninformed newbie promising the moon.
The newbie is not entirely responsible for your sickness.

[Joseph Ratliff]

The "free mindset" kills many internet marketing ventures before they start. I think most people (myself included) have allowed themselves, just for a few seconds, minutes, hours, days, months, etc... to fall for the "making money online is easy" illusion.

It is easy, once you develop and focus enough momentum to do so.

Great post Martin.

[Kim Standerline]

Why has he alinated anyone just because he's giving some excellent advice

Curious

Originally Posted by GerryQ

This is my first visit to the forum and I must admit Martin that you have stirred up a hornets nest. It is great entertainment whilst also giving great information an advice to Newbies.

One question though Martin.

At what point in your eight years experience did you conclude that it was a good marketing strategy to alienate your potential customers before they had even seen your site?

[cfv]

Great Post.

I work in my pj's and make a great income! I profited over $30,000 so far this month. And you can do it, too!

I also bought all the guru products and with each purchase I found I always needed more information. I think every newbie should find a glossary of IM terms and educate themselves. Many of those "get rich quick" schemes have something to offer- but you must have the know-how, tools and skills to take action!

My best advice is to find a personal mentor! There are many mastermind groups here to join, too.

[Mr. Goof Off]

Oh boy where to begin? Ok for the record this is not really about the OP but the marketers in general. If I google how to make money I will probably find the 1st 10 pages on google selling me a dream. How is a noob to distinguish truth from falsehood? They can't! A person believes what they see on many occasions till it gets subliminal. How many sales copy have you read where someone says they taught there 5 year old son and even a monkey can do it. Is that not deceptive? If a monkey can do it why in the world can't I?

A side note: When the devil told Eve she can eat in the garden it was deceptive though subtle. Obviously in metaphorical terms it was deceptive to the big G. In any case, ad copy is definitely deceptive. Of course the marketers that gotta take their kids through private school will justify the means. Truth is the person with the highest intelligence wins. A newbie is no match for these guys that read 1000 or more books,tapes, cds, on marketing, selling, copywriting, etc.
Here is a smell test...when you read one of those, "get rich websites", email the seller and tell them all you have is the money that you gonna give them for the product. Ask them will the product work for you. Guarantee they will tell you please don't spend your last on their product.

Just make sure it is a well known marketer and not someone who slapped up a site before trying the smell test.

[ckboddic]

You wouldn't be promoting that $97 thing you're selling now would you? That's what irritates me.

[RevShareNow]

In "Outliers" Malcom Gladwell describes a theory that says you need to invest 10,000 hours before you can achieve a level of competency that he calls "mastery". A few years ago, I think it was much easier to make a lot of money in internet marketing before you'd put in the time to acheive mastery. It's getting much more competitive now and I think unless you are incredibly smart or lucky or both it is very difficult to make a lot of money in internet marketing before you've learned the ropes.

[Ron.]

I've just read yet another post from a single-digit WF newbie asking (or maybe it was begging) for someone to tell them how to make money easily online.

Ok, big deal, they asked a harmless question. That's what being NEW is about. You cannnot fault a guy for that. Instead of posting another "tired" thread about mindset, why don't you redirect the person and correct their thinking?

Can you spot the word that makes the request a total nonsense?

Why is it nonsense? Because you said so?

Can you see the word that has doomed this newbie to fail?

No. One word will not cause ANYONE to fail.


Can you comprehend the mindset that makes failure inevitable?

No at all. A guy asks one question and you've got him already listed as a failure.

I'm sure you can.

The word is easily.

It might have been easy, easier or easiest.

Here is a wake up call: Internet marketing isn't easy.

Yaaaaawn

Sorry. It had to be said. Making money online - and I mean real money, pay the bills and feed the kids money, consistent, do-it-again-next-month money - that takes effort, skill, experience and work.

It ain't easy.

At least, not in the way you've interpreted the word.

Maybe you're the one that misinterpreted the word. Do you PM the newbie and offer help to clarify their thinking or do you just want them to buy your WSO?

You see, when we 'experienced' folk say that it is easy we are misleading you badly. We don't really mean easy in the sense that it is so dead simple that an elderly dog can be taught to do it for biscuits. It isn't a self-working party trick.

They why do you say it? That's the reason why so many people thing IM is easy. Because of guys like you.

When we say easy we mean that it isn't particularly hard or complicated, it doesn't require years of training and it certainly doesn't need the IQ if Einstein (thank goodness). But it does need consistent, focused, results-centric effort.

Complex, but not complicated.

Or to put it another way, work.

Sorry to burst the bubble.

Here's a radical idea. Why not go onto a forum for restauranteurs and ask them out of the blue how you can easily start a successful restaurant? Do you think they might laugh at you?

Comparing apples to cherries

I don't think the restaurant industry promotes how "easy" it is to start a business without a dime and little work like the IM industry does. When was the last time you saw a add about a restaurant that said: How to turn 2 hours a day into a full-time income".

You've never seen it. When was the last time you've seen a add like that for IM? Hell, I saw one in you signature.

How about plumbers? Try asking a bunch of them how you can easily make a grand a month with no outlay fixing people's radiators? Do you think they might think you're a bit crazy?

See above response.

Ah. you might say, "those are real life businesses - I'm talking about making money online."

SLAP! (I hope you felt that round the side of your head.)

Yaaawn

What makes you think that a business (for that is what making $1000 or more a month is) online is any different to one offline? Business is business and the people who understand that and treat it with the respect it requires are half way to doing well.

You're assuming a lot.

Making REAL money online isn't a game. Okay, at the lower end it can be a paying hobby, but for those of us who support our families and save money for a rainy day, this is real life.

And when you are just starting out, it isn't 'easy'.

Over time it does get easier, but if you are a newbie understand this: you will have to learn some skills, you will have to spend some money, you will have to work some things out for yourself, you will have to stand on your own feet, you will have to (cover your ears and eyes if you are of a nervous disposition) ...

Work.



I find your entire post to be tired and full of B.S.. You say one thing but your signature says another.

Originally Posted by Martin.Avis

I've just read yet another post from a single-digit WF newbie asking (or maybe it was begging) for someone to tell them how to make money easily online.

Can you spot the word that makes the request a total nonsense?

Can you see the word that has doomed this newbie to fail?

Can you comprehend the mindset that makes failure inevitable?

I'm sure you can.

The word is easily.

It might have been easy, easier or easiest.

Here is a wake up call: Internet marketing isn't easy.

Sorry. It had to be said. Making money online - and I mean real money, pay the bills and feed the kids money, consistent, do-it-again-next-month money - that takes effort, skill, experience and work.

It ain't easy.

At least, not in the way you've interpreted the word.

You see, when we 'experienced' folk say that it is easy we are misleading you badly. We don't really mean easy in the sense that it is so dead simple that an elderly dog can be taught to do it for biscuits. It isn't a self-working party trick.

When we say easy we mean that it isn't particularly hard or complicated, it doesn't require years of training and it certainly doesn't need the IQ if Einstein (thank goodness). But it does need consistent, focused, results-centric effort.

Complex, but not complicated.

Or to put it another way, work.

Sorry to burst the bubble.

Here's a radical idea. Why not go onto a forum for restauranteurs and ask them out of the blue how you can easily start a successful restaurant? Do you think they might laugh at you?

How about plumbers? Try asking a bunch of them how you can easily make a grand a month with no outlay fixing people's radiators? Do you think they might think you're a bit crazy?

Ah. you might say, "those are real life businesses - I'm talking about making money online."

SLAP! (I hope you felt that round the side of your head.)

What makes you think that a business (for that is what making $1000 or more a month is) online is any different to one offline? Business is business and the people who understand that and treat it with the respect it requires are half way to doing well.

Making REAL money online isn't a game. Okay, at the lower end it can be a paying hobby, but for those of us who support our families and save money for a rainy day, this is real life.

And when you are just starting out, it isn't 'easy'.

Over time it does get easier, but if you are a newbie understand this: you will have to learn some skills, you will have to spend some money, you will have to work some things out for yourself, you will have to stand on your own feet, you will have to (cover your ears and eyes if you are of a nervous disposition) ...

Work.


Martin

[Ron.]

How in the hell can you coach someone and you're just barely making it yourself? You're still a newbie yourself. What kind of scam are you running?

I find your "tough love" appraoch to be laughable at best.

Originally Posted by TinkerAndPo

Nothing worthwhile is ever easy. I tell the newbies I coach that it won't be quick, it won't be easy, and I'm not handing anything to you on a platter. It's real work. Don't whine, don't bitch, just suck it up and get it done.

Hmmm, maybe I shoulda been a dominatrix.

[Ron.]

Not EVERY single newbie is like that. HAve you met and talked to all of them? I think not.

Newbies think they can get rich because marketers say it in their hyped up sales pages all of the time.

Originally Posted by RGallowitz

You know what makes me sick? That almost every single newbie thinks he can come online and get "rich" without investing anything.

Yeah yeah...there are those who would argue and say you can make money online without spending any. Problem is...you won't make much with that mentality and practicality.

It never is easy. Online marketing, online business......it's a BUSINESS not a hobby. Newbies, keep that in mind when you want to become "rich".


Regards,
Reinhardt

[Ron.]

Now here is a post the needs to be re-read.

Originally Posted by Matt M

I think what a lot of experienced marketers need to learn is that it is not easy being a teacher.

Many people that write those How-To, Step-By-Step, guides have good intentions and are sincerely trying to show someone how to do it but showing and teaching are two different things.

We experienced marketers need to understand that just because we know how to make money online that does not mean that we are teachers. Teaching is a learned profession.

If you create a product that is advertised to show someone how to do something then before you launch it, run it through some test subjects first to see that it works.

If John Q. Marketer has learned a new way to implement an old technique, he should be able to teach the old technique to the new marketer before expecting the new marketer to understand the new implementation.

Or, state that his product is not for beginners. Unfortunately, since most marketers are not teachers or have ever been instructors of any type online or off, they don't even know how to evaluate their own product's level of instruction.

We are seeing a new version of "Why Johnny Can't Market".

Matt

[Ron.]

You nailed it!

Originally Posted by davebo

All right guys. Get off your high horses already.

1) I don't think almost all (like someone said) people think it's going to be easy.
2) I feel like these threads are not really for the newbies, but for people to hear themselves talk about how hard they work. It's basically an entire thread where people reword the original post about 1000 times.
3) I look forward to this same thread in about another month.
4) Do you ever notice how many "Thanks" a thread like this gets because people like to get all self righteous. Steve W take notice (he he)

[Mr. Goof Off]

Originally Posted by Ron.

How in the hell can you coach someone and you're just barely making it yourself? You're still a newbie yourself. What kind of scam are you running?

I find your "tough love" appraoch to be laughable at best.

News flash..."In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king".

How many times have you heard marketers encourage being an expert coach? Here is what happens...the newbie buys a "how to" package and the guru says become an expert in your field. The newbie don't have a field except for buying products and losing money. The newbie learns the language of marketing and figures I can teach this since I bought every product and can't execute. Just think about the new wave of offline consulting. Do you need to really know anything to consult offline? Just have more knowledge than the owner is what we're told. I hear some marketers hold one day workshops to teach you how to be a business consultant and "wham" your the new expert. I think it is 99% persuasion and 1%(in some cases less) knowledge to be a coach.

On the flipside I suppose some can be great teachers and not doers.

Napoleon Hill & Wallace D. Wattles was a great researcher and solid writer. Yet both died poor. In fact Wallace was never rich if I am not mistaken. At least Napoleon attained wealth a few times even though he lost it.

There are many people to attribute their success to those two indirectly. Though, I am personally skeptical of such a claim, and, would have to ask some tough questions to someone who believes that they were helped so profoundly.

DISCLAIMER: THIS RESPONSE IS IN NO WAY IN REFERENCE TO TINKERANDPO AS I DO NOT KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT HER.

[Steven Wagenheim]

The testosterone in this thread makes me wonder why any woman would
want to spend an eternity with any man.

Simply amazing.

[Joseph Ratliff]

Originally Posted by Steven Wagenheim

The testosterone in this thread makes me wonder why any woman would
want to spend an eternity with any man.

Simply amazing.

ROFL....Steve, now I have to buy a new keyboard because I read your tidbit here right when I was drinking a Coke...